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Certainty

Certainty. On a…certain level, don’t we all love it? Certainty and the sense of security it can bring seem to be quite important to human beings. Even certainty about bad, negative, unpleasant things seems to take some of the anxiety away in some cases.

Personally speaking, I’ve been fascinated with esoteric and divination systems that seemed to offer some certainty, such as the I Ching, personality typing systems like Briggs-Myers, the Enneagram and astrology, etc. It’s paradoxical though that the only certainty about security I’ve known most of my life is in living with a lack of the kind most people strive to attain, i.e. a career or job wherein they are, at least for a time, guaranteed steady income, etc.

As can be seen, I’ve lived my life creating and recreating myself many times. As one door closed, usually unexpectedly, I learned to quickly go about finding, or building, another one. This was often quite challenging, especially when I found myself to be the single father of my then 10-month old daughter…and without having been trained in any particularly useful, marketable skills to rely on in order to support us. In a sense, I found that my security was really in having no security…but in coming to be secure enough in myself to know that I could create whatever I needed. Maybe another time I’ll go into the details of my particular adventure.

For the better part of almost seven months, we’ve had the topic of astrology being discussed, most recently as it pertains to the earthquakes that have intensified around the world. The main contributor and proponent of the validity of astrology in predicting specific information about earthquakes has been Tony Vasquez.  Tony’s also stated that he’s corrected the inaccurate terrestrial astrology systems so that his system would, if I understand it correctly, be considered the true and accurate astrology that the Plejaren have referred to. As can be seen from the specific astrology thread, things have been very contentious at times. I’ve been criticized for even having such a topic on my blog.

But I felt that the conversation should be held and that there may be an underlying reason for having it that wasn’t yet clear to me. It recently occurred to me that the reason could indeed be in relationship to the earthquakes. Tony’s recent warnings regarding a coming mega-quake in L.A., and his specific warning today about one coming to San Francisco, not only put his credibility on the line but raise other issues. It probably hasn’t escaped anyone’s notice that Tony has appeared to not only be quite confident in his predictions but standoffish and even arrogant in addressing not only criticisms but respectful questions and challenges pertaining to his accuracy, credentials, etc.

I’ve occasionally mentioned that, in my experience, Tony has been both accurate and…inaccurate. Because the subject of mega-quakes is quite in the news, as well as being discussed by various other astrologers, scientists, etc., we are reminded that Billy Meier predicted all of this beginning back in 1951. Now that it is upon us, it can increase our desire for certainty and security, to know when this or that next big event is going to happen. But human beings are funny creatures. We also tend to rationalize, deny, negotiate with ourselves, etc., in order to avoid or negate being self-responsible. We’ve seen many examples of people who refused to leave their homes, in the face of news warnings about hurricanes, tornadoes, floods, fires, etc. – even when the foretold events were upon them. Some survived, some lost their homes and even their lives.

Those of us who’ve studied and followed Billy Meier’s information most probably no longer have any doubts as to his incomparable and impeccable prophetic accuracy. So we’ve also wanted and asked for even more specifics, like exactly when this or that event is going to occur. In a way we’re trying to make things more…convenient for ourselves. But Meier has avoided being any more specific and has only reiterated what he’s said before, i.e. that certain places are extremely vulnerable to earthquakes, tsunamis, volcanic eruptions, etc., and that self-responsible people are sufficiently advised.

But that convenience thing still dictates many people’s lives and so even beginning to create alternative directions in life, locations for places to live and work, etc., are pushed to the back burner because of it. So I want to put a few things forward here in order to be very clear myself. First, by hosting the conversation about the earthquakes, prophecies, astrological predictions, etc., I am not in any way trying to tell people what they should do, nor to criticize them if they don’t see things the way I, or anyone else here, does. I refer back to the earlier part of the blog where I spoke about my paradoxical concern with systems that appeal to one’s search for certainty and security and my only being able to find it in myself, whatever the external conditions.

So, ultimately and literally, we’re all in the same boat…and on the same planet. How and what we decide to do, and upon what we base our decisions, are strictly personal matters of self-responsibility.

To also return to Tony’s astrological predictions about the certainty of earthquakes of specific magnitudes in specific time periods, I already said that he’s gotten certain things right…and that he’s gotten other things wrong. To balance the equation, therefore, I am listing a number of predictions* that Tony sent me in emails beginning last year that may not have occurred, or perhaps did occur partially. I should add that there were things that he appeared to foresee accurately, which I think he’s included in his own list on the blogs. I’ll let people evaluate these for themselves and of course let them ask Tony for more specifics if they wish.

Before listing the information I just want to put things in this perspective. We have meteorologists and weathermen/women who predict various conditions and the weather. Sometimes we base our decisions on what to wear, to carry an umbrella, etc., on what they say. Sometimes they’re right, sometimes they’re wrong. And sometimes it doesn’t hurt to have an umbrella, snow shovel, sunscreen, etc., handy just in case.

It still all comes down to self-responsibility.

 

*The following global predictions were from Tony Vasquez during August 2013 – January 2014:

Missiles being launched from planes and from missile launch pads. Large explosions in desert area’s. Very large bombs with great power and intensity. In the middle east in late 2013 into 2014.   I see one bomb explosion that wipes out an entire city. This city already has heavy damage. This blast looks to be nuclear.

There becomes a religious war and attacks involving others around the globe. The United States, Canada, along with Germany, all join together with the United States forces leading the way to help bring down a religious political leader – Iran?

A massive earthquake will take place in the ocean causing a rise of islands and the rise of Atlantis which I do believe will take place over the next ten of years.

In 2013 I do see a major seaquake that does take place in the middle of the ocean that will cause major destruction and in turn cause a tsunami that will hit a coastline that has never been hit before and has never expected to be hit before – US east coast?

A new war breaks out in countries that are least expected to cause war – Europe?

It seems like North Korea and its leaders are going to cause many issues to install fear into its own people and surrounding people which will bring complete failure to the country of North Korea and the fall of their current leaders

An assassination attempt will be successful on one of the leaders of North Korea.

There will be three different assassinations and assassination attempts on major leaders and political figures.

Camp/Fort Stanley will be attacked in S.Korea by N. Korea. Huge war, 1000’s die.

New discoveries come out of Egypt. That include an underground city that lies beneath the pyramids of Egypt. One that is covered by sand and large sand dunes in the desert unveils a large discovery of Ancient Egypt, something very sacred and powerful that has been sitting under the sand for thousands of years.

The Deaths of Nelson Mandela and George Bush Sr.

There will be another high school shooting soon – 14 dead, shot in a gym, 17 more in another building, 31 total dead.

I think they will attack Syria this week.

Mars is in Cancer. Many wars have started under this position. We’ll see, but my prediction is the attack will happen, and Israel and Iran will get involved, which could be very unfortunate.

I still predict an attack while Mars is in Cancer – 4 more weeks.

Looks like that school shooting/bombing will take place in Texas – still no time frame, but soon.

I’m hearing ” major earthquake in N. California in Dec. 2013.”  CNN reports catastrophic damage.

 

 

 

 

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Tony Vasquez - Professional Astrologer

A few quick replies:

You said:

– “Tony’s also stated that he’s corrected the inaccurate terrestrial astrology systems so that his system would, if I understand it correctly, be considered the true and accurate astrology that the Plejaren have referred to.” – Yes, I have done those corrections, and I do use the correct astrology, but no, in no way is it as good as the astrology of the Ps, because their computer systems are far more advanced, therefore, they would make fewer mistakes in drawing up and in the interpretations of the charts.

– “It probably hasn’t escaped anyone’s notice that Tony has appeared to not only be quite confident in his predictions but standoffish and even arrogant in addressing not only criticisms but respectful questions and challenges pertaining to his accuracy, credentials, etc.” – That statement is not accurate. I have not been “standoffish and even arrogant”. I just always do things my way based on my experiences and my logical thinking. That will never change.

As I have said repeatedly, I have never claimed to be 100% accurate. And also, I have noticed over the years, that many of my predictions come true at a later time. Anyway, I always do the best that I can with good intentions, and I don’t really care about illogical criticism and stupid mentally ill skepticism. When people attack me, they never hurt me, they only hurt themselves!

Have a great day.

Tony Vasquez - Professional Astrologer

I write/speak what to me is the truth. I must say though that I am not a mean-spirited person, and I do wish to cooperate with those who wish to cooperate with me. But I also must say again, that illogical emotional criticism means nothing to me. I will always do things and say things according to my good judgment and my logic.

Tony

I always appreciate your blog articles and find you to be very fair and genuine in your views, which is rare these days. You make some really viable points of which I probably could not disagree with much. Many of us by now realize that we are a tight knit family in many ways and many of us know of things few ever discuss, and quite from a personal perspective. I have for a while now struggled with things of a global nature and often quite erringly compared our ways and lifestyles with those of the Plejaren. My logic then kicks in and reminds me that they have had many tens of thousands of years to perfect their Humanity to a much higher degree. At times I find myself quite envious of them and how they strive to remain logically loving and it raises in me sadness for us here. I think though, in the long run we will find peace and harmony together as one people and hopefully learn from our mistakes and lack of vision.

Tony Vasquez - Professional Astrologer

Tony,

Thank you, and I agree with you.

doirecity

As much as we would like to have the exact dates giving to us from Billy and the P’s. Its seems logical to me now that it does not serve the natural order of evolution. We learn from our mistkes. If it was handed to us on a platter. We would not have to dig deep and solve these issues ourselves. Like the major issue we have of giving up responsibility.

This is great point Michael. Certainty in life makes us lax, forgetful and somewhat Comfortable!!!

I think i was always been searching for the truth in some externl form, religions nd so on. Not until i came accross the Meier material, your work and the online contrabutions from the readers has it become clear.

The search for certainty and truth should start from within.

I’d like to add that i have made most of my closest friends after having a good old fashioned battle, but Lets keep this sometimes heated platform respecful.

Tony Vasquez - Professional Astrologer

My point is that no one in their right mind would allow someone to die if they could do anything to save them. To me, that’s the issue here. Yes, I understand everything that has been said related to this issue, and I’m sure that the High Council, and the Ps, have their reasons not to save lives by giving exact dates.

I’m sure it’s a very big picture, and a very complicated subject, to the High Council, that we are discussing here, and I have thought about this for 26 years, since 1988, when I first started to study the Meier material. My opinion, and I do have a right to my opinion in the face of whomever, is that exact dates should be given to save lives. What’s more precious, and worth more to save, than a human life?

Sheila

What I’ve found Tony, is that you cannot help those that refuse to help themselves. Plus you cannot save people from themselves.

doirecity

Is it possible the hard lessons in life of getting hit with the hard reality of devastation some how brings us a step closer to evolutional enlightenment thus better for civilization as a hole safing more life’s in that manner.

Thus also challenging people like yourself to dig deeper and find solutions to this predicted event.

It has certainly challenged me to think and try to come up with a way we can get the word out about this event other than blowing hot air

Allen Anderson

It may a bit of a stretch but a real life comparison that I draw from came to me as a 16 year old.

My father was an old school car guy from the early 1950’s, and was a part of the “hot rod” scene in its infancy. I was a second generation “hot rodder”, and when my father was willing to consider buying me a 1969 Z/28 Camaro, I was elated.

Then came the caveat, my mother MUST approve of the plan. Well her response was less than agreeable to me at first, she said “if you buy that car for him, I will file divorce papers tomorrow”.

She explained that nothing good can come of this type of “gift” as I was far too young, and far too fearless to be responsible enough to not risk my life let alone the lives of others that share the road with me, and that I would not appreciate the gift and would likely ruin the car, or lives of me, my friends, or others on the road.

She said that if I do not earn it, I will never truly appreciate it.

Well, she was dead right, instead of the Camaro I was given the hand me down 1969 Toyota corolla that I preceded to ruin and drive into the ground.

The lesson for me was and since then has always been, we learn far more when we earn things compared to any gift given to us, as the respect and responsibility are lessons learned not given as well.

Anthony

I agree with you Allen, gifts are bad and it is much better to earn. But there would be a lesson with the Camaro. You would have learned about the responsibility of maintaining and (learning to drive) driving a specialty object. Good and bad, but you chose the more responsible cause to not become dependent and have to work for (often expensive things) to live. I owned a black 1981 Ferrari 308 GTB for a year and a half. A dream car at the time. I bought it cheep on eBay and then sold it for just a little less than what I paid; but had the fun of experiencing/learning to drive such an exotic thing. I always thought that driving in an exotic car is like being in a rare looking spaceship. It was never for the status or the image that I wanted to drive a 308 coupe. To me it was about driving and caring for an exotic and rare thing. To me the sound of the engine was a sweet song. And I really loved the slotted shifter. It was fun to go for recreational rides without a destination and waste gas. I always felt guilty it was hurting the environment and that I should be doing motor-less activities. But the vintage MOMO 3-hole silver spoked steering wheel conversion with Italian black leather was my favorite. It reminded me of flying saucer…

Sheila

Had I known that my daughter would be involved in an auto accident and almost lose her life, I doubt I would have let her drive. Therefore she would not have gained the experience of becoming a better driver. I would have been too scared to let her live her life. And this is wrong. Seriously if one were to know of everything that is going to happen to them, wouldn’t most just off themselves and be done with it? You have to consider that most people in LA are not in tune with Billy’s spiritual teaching.

Anthony

Hi Sheila,

You are right, we don’t want to know EVERYTHING about our future. But I think it is important to search for it. Like Micheal, I like the I Ching. I love tarot cards. I have two different decks of alien/UFO tarot cards I use. But instead of divination, you are taking a sample of your universe that consists of many logical features, like I Ching words of advice pages. I don’t use pennies. I just grab a page and take a sample. Then I can meditate and look for relevance to my inquiry. Because we can interpret everything back to ONE, we can always find a message in the I Ching page or tarot card in relation to a Universe or Creation. The pages and cards representing the parts of the one book or deck. A religious person would take an answer and think it came from God. It is only a guide for the moment and each new sample along the timeline represents change, and a new awareness. But if Earth humans take the religion out of I Ching, tarot cards, astrology, then they are getting closer to what the Plejaren have. And when we have learned we would not abuse the answers and call the sacred or holy or from God or anything like that. It is just a sample of the Creation from a structure (deck of cards or I Ching book) of many into the one. So it can work. And be reliable. But it is for all of us to do, not just the great prophets.

Sheila

Hi Anthony, I appreciate your words, but couldn’t you come to the same conclusion without the tarot cards or I Ching? By just asking your innate wisdom? Your methods just seem to be crutches (and no offense to crutches). I mean if I have a problem I usually think it to death and figure out the pros and cons and then make my decision. Years ago my girlfriend and I on a lark went to see a master of the occult who did tarot readings. My friend went first and she just kept on blabbering and I got the feeling the lady was using whatever she said to give her a reading. My turn, I kept my mouth shut and didn’t offer too much. Although she had a few hits there were quite a few misses. No one knows ourselves better than we do. Ultimately we have the answers inside us. But do we really want to know every single thing that will happen to us? I doubt any of us could handle it. Billy could and did but with great effort. Did Billy know his daughter would be in an auto accident and almost lose her life? Yes he did but there was not a thing he could do to change it because changing it may have had a worse outcome. Reminds me of that saying grant me the serenity to accept the things I cannot change, the courage to change the things I can, and the wisdom to know the difference.

Anthony

Yes Sheila,

The tarot cards or I Ching could be regarded as “crutches.” But keep in mind, even with the use of a crutch, the human being still has to take self responsibility in finding the answer through one’s own thinking. The cards themselves are not magic. Please be aware that Figu does not condone tarot or even playing cards. The reason that Figu are against cards because it is very, very easy to use them religiously… and not think for yourself.

My theory is that when we draw a card from a tarot deck, on a subconscious level we know the answer. So the result of the card we pull is not random, but rather a way to sample what our subconscious mind has hidden away for us. The consciousness-related exercise is when we use our conscious mind to interpret what our subconscious mind is trying to tell us when we pull a particular card. Please, keep in mind that I am not some New Age fortune teller, but rather a student of the spirit teaching. SO, I’m trying to adapt the tarot cards to fit the Figu information, rather than the traditional religious divination. It is the mistake of the religious fortune teller to think that the magic is in the cards; when actually the cards are just signposts that STILL need to be interpreted with your own “innate wisdom.”

Rob

Anthony,

We think alike on that front. I have tarot cards for experiment, like astrology, numerology, etc, but have admittedly not used it yet. Too much to do and too little time. 🙂

Sheila

I don’t know Anthony. I’ve always looked to nature for signposts. My experience with ouiji boards has soured me to all occult modalities. You’ve told me how you have tweaked your technique but how exactly has this helped you? Give me an example if you don’t mind.

Tony Vasquez - Professional Astrologer

Oh sure, there are many important lessons to learn in life, both as individuals, and as a Humanity, but you do not have to eat arsenic to know that it will kill you.

Here’s a question I have asked myself. Why has the exact date of the San Francisco quake devastation been given to Billy? Was it just out of curiosity? I don’t think so. Do you think it was given to him so he might save someone with it? I don’t know.

Maybe a million people will die in that quake. Where is the lesson there? Maybe giving the exact date, along with other exact dates to “prove” their predictive abilities, would save some people. Maybe it wouldn’t, but I would make the attempt.

Anyway, that’s my opinion, I’m sure my opinion will have no bearing on what the Ps do regarding this.

Andy

Wow. News to me about Quetzal’s prior approval.

A very interesting suggestion there, Michael!!! Could it work??? Man, wouldn’t that be somethin. Perhaps, Tony, your opinion could have a bearing on what the P’s do…

Draft a petition, Michael? Tony? Differences aside Tony, I’ll sign that baby right beside your name.

Michael, maybe your idea here could be that “something useful” you thought would come out of this discussion… wow, and supremely useful it would be…

Given Quetzal’s prior approval, perhaps, as Tony suggests, all the other potential negative implications discussed about giving exact dates do NOT outweigh… saving lives.

Maybe I’m getting excited over a pipe dream though? Michael, you know the material good as any – is a Plejaran response possible? Would be curious too what our long lost friend Dyson, or other FIGU big-hitters, have to say on the matter. Worth a try at least, no?

Andy

It probably is a pipe dream:

http://futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/Asket's_Explanations_-_Part_5

Michael, are you sure about that Quetzal prior approval? In any case, the linked article seems to suggest Billy/P’s have a steadfast commitment to NOT share detailed info on the future…

I suppose we already knew as much, considering the answer given to Michael’s recent question to Billy. Nevertheless, still curious to hear you follow up on your comment Michael, if you actually think the petition is worth a go…? (Or maybe you were only half serious)?

Andy

This doesn’t make sense at all. Out of 11 pictures some are certainly going to be different enough that they will obviously not be a picture of the painting. But even if they were identical, and Billy was again accused of fraud, it does not follow that the dates cannot begin.

Christian’s statement, or Quetzal’s alleged explanation, does not speak to the matter at all…whether the pictures should be published and whether a date can be given are entirely different matters.. am I missing something?

Andy

*I said “…it does not follow that the dates cannot *begin*”.

This of course should instead read “…it does not follow that the dates cannot *be given*”.

Tony

This, I am in whole hearted agreement with. At first I did not agree with Quetzal’s methods, but then later came to highly respect him for his forthrightness. I agree Michael, this an excellent idea. I have posted such suggestions on the FIGU forums with little success. I understand that they possess knowledge unavailable to us, but maybe we can make a case to them that there are those of us who strive for the Creational-natural laws and directives. We are truly here within the aquarian age now and there is something special just over the horizon. I do not mean to alter or somehow change anyone’s personal journey, but surely there is a way. There are many of us here now who are aware and know what must be done. I would never question the Creational laws, I feel a deep yearning for something that must seemingly come to pass, a passage into higher knowledge and wisdom. They seem too far away and yet I feel maybe they do hear us in a very Human way. It is difficult to explain. Free will is a difficult concept at times, but the free will of all must be considered if we are to survive and evolve our spirits into loftier spheres of knowledge and wisdom. I hope in all honest repectful sincerity that they consider our words.

Rob

This is odd. I do not recall reading the approval…but then I do read faster than most. My bad, of course.

Please do send reference, Michael.

Tony Vasquez - Professional Astrologer

That would be great!

doirecity

A timed meditative, pineal gland petition. Global coherence initiative style!!!!

Anthony

Poor Tony’s predictions, or should be say way off prophecies, are as bad as your Alex Collier. Aren’t they doing the same mark and job? I’m surprised Figu or greater Figu Switzerland has not put a stop to this promotion of nonsense, on their strictly truth oriented sit?

Don’t people get it? You said it Michael, “self-responsibility.” That is the key. But still people want to rely on someone or something else. They want some expert to tell them what is right. Why can’t you’se bleeps see that although astrology is beneficial at the Plejaren level, for example, it is harmful for Earth humans to become DEPENDENT. This is the danger! We should all be responsible people and try to figure out for ourselves what the bleep is going to happen in the future. For bleep sake, as Michael points out, there are people who go to school and study meteorology, and become anchor men. They made a movie, ya know. The anchor man is doing it for himself.

Tony, my friend, I love you as a fellow Billy Meier student; so do not get mad at me with this post. But you should really get much better before a Figu authorized site features your work.

I am some nobody prophet; but I’m being responsible for my own understanding of the future with these prophecies of mine for 2014-2016:

1. In six months this whole Russian thing will be forgotten. The West will cooperate for now and use the stronger US dollar and her stock markets to improve their economies.
2. Look for Wall Street and the bankers to create bull market conditions and boost their economies to indicate that things have turned around for the better. Look for gold to drop to $979 per troy ounce in this time.
3. Thanks to a rational and peaceful President Obama we can be comfortable that the threat of WW3(4) has been greatly reduced. Billy even assures of this on his last questions–answered. The pendulum is swinging away from war and economic depression to a time of peace and prosperity during the rest of the Obama administration.

Duke

To add, Astro-ology here on Planet Terra was and is religiously motivated and currently always explained in religious terms and has been since time immemorial. Folks may not immediately notice where I’m getting at but if they paid attention to everything they’re doing with it then it should become obvious. Astrology can in no way be suggested or compared in similarity with the alleged Plejaran calculations as my guess is there’s is completely devoid of religious mannerisms and customs. We Earth folks cannot let go naming objects we come across after things instead of accurately describing what they are. Going around node points, charting maps, then making references to Jupiter, Sol, Io, whatever and you will NEVER going to come close to the Plejaran accuracy since they call things for what they are and don’t attribute things to their personal gods (like we do unconsciously and completely oblivious to the obvious even when we claim and say the opposite or say we don’t attribute things to gods or idols).

I have no idea what Tony corrected as he has NOT to date provided proof in any tangible for and suggested folks go look up Axial Precession, or as he calls it the Precession of the Equinoxes. If prophecies matter to folks, learning about the current sky isn’t going to matter a whole lot in the future if folks simply noticed the prophecies make a good note the stars fall from the sky and disappear like a scroll closing. Something else is happening that’s not going to be calculated by any method of corrected terrestrial astrology simply due to the fact most of our knowledge is school or scientific knowledge, not Creational or even begin to approach it the teachings of Billy Meier. IF we did follow Creational knowledge and had enough foresight to begin to accurately predict the future, would you think we would be worried about Earth quakes right now with the mass of Earth Humanity being so numerous?

Rob

Duke,

To be fair to Tony, he did drop a few pointers about his corrections in the astrology thread. Instead of messing up what he said, it may be well to read the part about 30 degree offset mentioned there and the reference origin of the chart of the stars.

However, to be fair to Duke, Tony has not answered a number of questions posted by myself and others, besides saying it is too complicated etc etc. Tony, if you are reading it, how to you profess to teach (the purpose you stated in the other thread) if you assume questions should not be answered when asked? Meier has never answered that way, though I do want to say that BEAM does side-step information and actually “conceal” with some of his answers. The only conclusion I will draw on BEAM’s answers to that nature is that it does prompt self-responsibility for discovery.

Duke

Hi Rob,

To be fair to Billy and the previous Prophets, Earth Humanity cannot figure out the religious behavior it uses on a day to day basis even when describing or explaining things such as Astrology. It doesn’t take much to prove that if anyone was fair and read the at length discussion from the Meier material.

When I read such time immemorial the phrases from Tony Vasquez, the “Professional Astrologer” which Mike posted in the initial ‘predictions’ of this topic, “MARS is in Cancer” or even more epic “Ancient Egypt, something very sacred and powerful that has been sitting under the sand for thousands of years” … makes me wonder if anyone plans on baking cakes to the Queen of Heaven.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Queen_of_heaven_%28antiquity%29
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Queen_of_Heaven

Yes folks, a Jeremiah reference that was also a prophet and that is also directly related to the mission so let’s have our non-Meier approved translation that seems to sound like the same stuff that comes from the Meier material anyway. From the wiki:

Jeremiah 7:18:
“The children gather wood, the fathers light the fire, and the women knead the dough and make cakes of bread for the Queen of Heaven. They pour out drink offerings to other gods to provoke me to anger.”

In Jeremiah 44:15-18:
“Then all the men who knew that their wives were burning incense to other gods, along with all the women who were present—a large assembly—and all the people living in Lower and Upper Egypt, said to Jeremiah, “We will not listen to the message you have spoken to us in the name of the LORD! We will certainly do everything we said we would: We will burn incense to the Queen of Heaven and will pour out drink offerings to her just as we and our fathers, our kings and our officials did in the towns of Judah and in the streets of Jerusalem. At that time we had plenty of food and were well off and suffered no harm. But ever since we stopped burning incense to the Queen of Heaven and pouring out drink offerings to her, we have had nothing and have been perishing by sword and famine.”

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After all, if we relied on Astrology only, then we don’t know much about those planets other than the ye old religion of ye old gods from since time immemorial which we have given a very very lengthy mythology around it that ties in nicely to Astrology. They’re not mutually exclusive things and the reason why Earth Humanity decided to keep the same customs of Astrology and have a more scientific understanding with Astronomy acting something like a bridge towards hopefully to some better future understanding. We see how warm a reception Mike gets for Billy’s astronomical information. Also, Tony V has leveled some criticism to Astronomy while promoting his corrected Astromythology in that previous blog just an FYI.

Astrology in its current form cannot be diverged from it’s mythological source material so correcting would be something big to prove which so far doesn’t sound correct if Mike is cutting and pasting Tony V. “predictions” up above.

Lastly, if that was not clear enough, then let’s examine what we name our system which is a deity named Sol. But, I will refrain from elaborating as the point has been made so I’ll end it with some links for the curious:
http://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/Sol
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sol_%28mythology%29
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sol_Invictus

Rob

I would not draw conclusions before all the facts are in.

Nor would I assume the intelligence of fellow persons on this blog. 🙂

Duke

I don’t either Rob. But, I would like to point out the facts are all around you in the way people move about their lives and the stuff they leave behind. Whether or not you are aware of the facts is up to you.

Also I don’t assume either, that’s why I ask. After all, Tony V hasn’t explain what he corrected, right? So how can you assume something that was not explained? I don’t.

Therefore, I can only show the mountain that lays before Earth Humanity in what it does, whether they’re conscious of it or not in terms of religiously motivated behavior. This stuff ain’t easy and language is big one where it shows up. And, the kicker I mentioned later in this blog, most folks just give up at the first attempt to do something better because they had good times before with it and cannot come to terms with a way forward.

All the best.

Rob

Anthony,

Very interesting perspective – one that is within the realm of possibilities, as always.

Any prophecies on earthquakes, your own take? No mocking intended, believe me. Logically formulated perspectives is all one should expect. 🙂

Tony Vasquez - Professional Astrologer

As usual, you don’t know what you’re talking about. You’re totally incorrect and full of nonsense.

Anthony

Tony, Tony, Tony… You are like a broken record. Or like a parrot, “incorrect,” “incorrect,” “incorrect.” Hahahaha

Hey Rob, the earthquake thing should be obvious to any serious Meier student. Since we know, from Meier, that earthquakes are partly triggered by the Earth humans negative thoughts and feelings, since we are going into a more peaceful phase, earthquake activity should subside.

I may be wrong; but I am entitled to my opinion. Tony the great magician.

Rob

Hi Anthony,

Always refreshing to hear logic applied. I was always very fond of Mr. Spock, but then … another story, another time.

Anyway, as I was trying to tell Tony before via a sort of devil’s advocate, if you recall. It was not meant to be.

By the way, no one answered a question on the English FIGU forum about why the SF earthquake being a prediction, and yet why Wendelle made the statement that it “could be changed by mass thought” in the video interview. Where was this mentioned by Billy or the Plejaren, or has the definition of prediction been actually changed over the course of some contact notes I missed? Can we change the “prediction” of the northwest US earthquake that which date was given to Meier by “mass thought” if this was the case? And why not?

Is it even possible that the earthquake won’t be LA or SF this time but “the other one?”

Anywho … what do I know? 🙂

Anthony

Hi Rob,

Actually I tried to answer that question as Skark_mode user name on the Figu English forum. Just read my stuff in the Time Travel thread.

In a nut shell, there are parallel universes to our own. What Semjase calls “Universes within Universes” in the Intro to the Spirit Teaching. This is just my opinion. It is not popular, I might add. But I know that I am on to something right.

The flaws of time travel is that as you travel you change things; so technically you don’t belong there. So you have left your original timeline and shifted into a divergent parallel universe where that change is occurring. That is why Fiug says you can’t change the past. But time travelers can be irresponsible and change things, there is no hand of God hold back time, or ‘holodeck’ experience; you can kill your grandfather for example; but you would be doing it in a divergent universe parallel to your own. You would get lost from your original timeline or space time configuration, as the Ps call it.

There is an early contact (CR 400 or something) that you see as Shark_mode where I discuss this contact and Billy spelling out two different types of time travel. Where Billy says that a “penetrated” time travel occurs and you are NOT invisible, it is to a parallel dimension or better said as a universe. So even though this new universe is parallel, there are ALWAYS differences. The divergence from the origin universe is your the change created by a time traveler. It must be said that the Plejaren posses very highly evolved time travel means, compared to what the Earth humans will first discover. Time travel to your exact line means no change.

So by logic, since time can NOT be changed in our space time configuration, and only in parallel universes. If Frehner says that the severity of the SF earthquake in the Meier case can decrease with Man’s reasonableness, is because Quetzel and Billy traveled to a parallel universe where the great SF quake was happening with a certain degree of minimal divergence. That is why this prophecy can change. Because Quetzel and Billy did NOT photograph the event in our space time configuration. But one that is going to be more severe, and we from our perspective can bring the severity down by being reasonable.

Duke

I’ve came to a similar conclusion with Anthony here with the language used to explain what is happening, except a little bit different direction. Assuming you don’t get lost in time, if you went back in time and made a change and came back to your previous time, then you did not do anything because your current timeline was one where you did not make a change. In other words, if you’re on the same time line, the leaving and coming back will not change history.

BUT, this is assuming you are not living in a timeline where you have already effected the timeline in some way with disappearing trees, electric buzzers in the 14c, Jitzi’s stuff, and what not. That’s the part from the Meier material I don’t quite get. I also did not get it with Jmmanuel meeting Billy (or Moses and Elijah if folks remember what church calls the transfiguraion of Jesus which suggested something similar with time travel and meeting folks that have long since walked the Earth in any healthy stride).
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transfiguration_of_Jesus

Every question to Billy I’ve come across about time travel does not clearly explain all the facets of time travel taking account of Billy’s adventures and I don’t think we will know in this life. With the missing tree, I guess we’re not stumped because it was not there?

Rob

Hi Anthony,

Your opinion on that is something I’ve also contemplated for some time.

Unless I missed it, I did not read reference to the SF earthquake in the time travel thread under your user ID. While I did draw my own conclusion about that, I find a few “holes” in the reasoning. However, your explanation about what they saw being not of this time line is one possibility but I’d be more interested in knowing what Wendelle meant in absolute terms rather than conjecture. Unfortunately no one was able to confirm that and he is no longer around for me to ask. 🙁

By the way, I do agree with you that you are on to something with the time travel. Here are some scenarios for time travel/shifiting thought and if you’d be so kind to share your opinion:

* In the Meier contact about leaving a battery-powered lantern behind for the French magician, it affected “this” time line when he went back and then returned.
* It was said that every time one visited the future, the future changes (however slightly) due to the thought of the time traveller him/herself changing some of his/her actions.
* Asket was seen by someone in the past working on a levitating object (suspected to be a time capsule).
* The tree that was damaged by Semjase’s ship was relocated by her and accordingly NO ONE recalled about the existence of the tree afterward, if I read the CR correctly.
* The ability for anyone to have a “peek” into the future — the so-called futurevision. Isn’t that a version of time travel? How can the prophets all “see the future” before it happens unless they are describing some other future that was happening and/or already happened? Multiple/parallel universe vision? If they are going by the laws of cause and effect and/or probability calculations, how can they “see” things like “clones,” “hybrid human beings,” and references to WTC in prophecies if not parallel universes?
* The fact that in the earlier contacts Semejase shifted the time back so Meijer returned from his space adventures with minimal lost of time, when in fact he was gone for far longer periods. What happens to all the people on Earth? Did we all just “fall through the cracks” during suspened animation? Would this be akin to Meier living another extra amount of time — if he travelled for 40 days and came back without loss of time (as observed by us), then technically he gained 40 days in age? Oddly, he did grow extra beard … that being the case he lost 40 days in our eyes and would have technically died 40 days sooner (all else being equal) if he lived and died a natural cycle?
* JT’s version of time/universe relationship could very well be an elementary understanding, albeit a valid one for the purposes of their limited capability time machine when compared to the P’s. This is conjecture on my part based on everything else I know. If so, something probably went wrong when he admitted he couldn’t help to get involved in some way. Right now I cannot dismiss JT’s story as being a complete hoax yet but I am aware of the hoax element.

There is more, but before anyone asks me for references, many of these are just going by memory as I did not take notes when I first started reading the Meier material, and I am not about to go back and find where I read each of these. 🙂

Anthony

Hi Rob,

“* In the Meier contact about leaving a battery-powered lantern behind for the French magician, it affected “this” time line when he went back and then returned.”

The Plejaren have the ability to travel in time on an original line, as well has in other universes. In the case of the French magician, the trip was to the original line (our line.) This trip already existed before Meier went back and left the flashlight, as was evidenced by the reference of the flashlight in the modern book. So Meier just fulfilled the change that already existed on the original timeline. So an original timeline is never changed by a time traveler, still applies in this instance too. The flashlight was already part of history; and its reference in history did not spontaneously appear once Meier went back in time and gave the flashlight to the magician. It existed all along.

Rob

Anthony,

I think the discussion on time travel will have to be done sometime in person, as it is very involved. This is probably as far as I would go in writing.

What you said about the French magician does not seem to fit the model of time travel purpose, though time travel is involved. It seems to suggest a variation of predestination, that Billy went back to fulfill what was supposed to be fulfilled. There is a paradoxical looping construct and I need more evidence. Imagine what it would be like if many time travels were done for that same reason …

Anthony

Rob,

I would agree; this is very hard to put in writing. I can see how I’ve not done a good job explaining things after reading it over again.

Just to try and avoid any confusion. I would like to say one last thing. Figu is right. A time traveler can NOT go back and give a French magician a flashlight, if it did not exist in the past. The point being that time travelers can NOT change a timeline. As MH talks about in the new movie, we don’t experience things popping in and out of reality because things are being changed by time travelers. BUT, there is no mystical hand of God, time police, or brick wall, a time traveler can try to change things and succeed no differently than any other human being living in the time. The more the change the more the divergence from your original universe. I think the Ps have the capability to be shifting into parallel universe by changing the future and then returning back to their origin. But that would be irresponsible because the Ps would never interfere with developing humans, let alone trying to change history. This would be a pollution.

Their superior technology would help them get home, even though other less evolved time traveling races would be stranded in their own hell. Not in their original universe, but lost in any number of increasing parallel universes that they helped to (their responsibility) created.

Ron Watson

A wonderful and wise quote from the author of “The Ascent of Man”, on the “dangers of certainty” A lesson from Auschwitz.
For Dr. Bronowski, the moral consequence of knowledge is that we must never judge others on the basis of some absolute, God-like conception of certainty. All knowledge, all information that passes between human beings, can be exchanged only within what we might call “a play of tolerance,” whether in science, literature, politics or religion. As he eloquently put it, “Human knowledge is personal and responsible, an unending adventure at the edge of uncertainty.”
The relationship between humans and nature and humans and other humans can take place only within a certain play of tolerance. Insisting on certainty, by contrast, leads ineluctably to arrogance and dogma based on ignorance.
The play of tolerance opposes the principle of monstrous certainty that is endemic to fascism and, sadly, not just fascism but all the various faces of fundamentalism. When we think we have certainty, when we aspire to the knowledge of the gods, then Auschwitz can happen and can repeat itself. Arguably, it has repeated itself in the genocidal certainties of past decades.

Dr. Jacob Bronowski, author of “The Ascent of Man”

Andy

Ron,

A somewhat opposing view:

A bit of Knowledge, Sense, and Wisdom – Billy Meier

“The maintenance of doubt has, in no way, anything to do with a healthy, logical and knowledge-demanding search for truth, because doubt is always symptomatic of a prevailing deficit in regard to clear vision and clear recognition through which the effective facts of things, connections and realities, which are brought together in basic truth, are recognised.
The truth itself, however, rests in the recognition of the nature of that which is factual and thereby in the nature of effective reality.
If clear vision and clear recognition are consciously and appropriately exercised and extensively realised then every trace of doubt disappears because now the complete reality is seen and recognised and, with it, the fundamental, actual truth.
Yet until the human obtains this clear view and clear recognition, which he has to develop through hard, evolution-promoting work, he will be unable to avoid being subject to doubts because doubts signify a fundamental activity of the developing personality, respectively, of the still ignorant material consciousness which strives for true knowledge and real truth.
But doubt has to be displaced by means of obtained knowledge and recognised truth if progress relating to the consciousness is to be achieved.
However, that can only be created through an appropriate clear vision and clear recognition through which truth and efficacy are recognised and understood.
But the way to that is not easy and is paved with doubts which, however, may not simply be forcefully oppressed, nor should they be indulged in. Rather they must be demolished and dissolved through an appropriate clear vision and clear recognition.”

Tony Vasquez - Professional Astrologer

If you want my opinion, that’s pure nonsense, total garbage. What Billy wrote and is posted below, is the correct understanding of this topic. Try to understand the logic of it.

Michael F

Building a home on an active fault line, or in a flood plane or on the side of or next to an active volcano is not a well thought out action. Yet, it is done everyday. We are all responsible for our thoughts actions, decisions and if not careful, some will cause great sorrow. As with the Meier story, if a human is not looking for the truth in our history, advancement of consciousness, etc, he will pay little attention to this information. I believe this is also the case with Tony’s work/earthquake predictsions. If there looking for the truth, they will hear it and possibly act upon it.If there are not looking, they won’t even consider it. I discuss these topics with those who do not consider the Meier story as truthful. They consider these topics just long enough to change the subject of our conversation. I understand the urgency here, but as with the Meier material, they will believe what they want to believe and will only search when they are ready to search. Remember, NCAA game was Monday, baseball is here, I got to check my facebook, oops I gotta take this call, did I tell u what was on TV tonight??

Tony Vasquez - Professional Astrologer

Yes, I agree with you.

dm

And you know what’s gobbsmacking about all this? How insanely simple the math is for “don’t build on active earthquake fault lines” or flood plains and so on…. A kindergarten kid can figure that out. In fact, when I was in grade three, I often wondered why the adults didn’t apply the very simple math that they were teaching me when it came to overpopulation and the million other very simple things discussed here and elsewhere.

The time people try to make it appear as rocket science is the time they know that they’ve already abdicated their self responsibility, so they try to make it appear like “oh… Nobody could have known!” blablbala… Obviously they’ll never admit to being completely stupid, irresponsible dumbasses…

Tony Vasquez - Professional Astrologer

It will be very interesting to read what people will write when my earthquake prediction do come true.

Tony Vasquez - Professional Astrologer

And when my earthquake predictions do come true, I hope the word gets out far and wide, because I will make more, and lives can be saved.

Bruce

Tony, it will be interesting to read what you write if your prediction with 100% (or more) certainty of such a mega-earthquake does not come to pass within the predicted time-window.

In fact, with such certainty, I am interested in taking the other side of that trade. If I win, I’ll give the money to Michael for his FIGU-related purposes. What odds can you give me for a $1,000 bet? With such expressed-to-the-universe self-certainty and self-assuredness, that must be good for at least a 10 to 1 bet, but I will accept less.

Tony Vasquez - Professional Astrologer

First of all, I never said I was 100% certain.

Second, I think you are absurd, stupid, and extremely unspiritual, to attempt to place a wager on an event that will take the lives of 1000’s of people. But I’ll tell you what I will do – I’ll laugh in your face when it does happen.

Bruce

Easy does it Astro-Man https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_LzO56t2MK4

… I must have touched an oft-touched nerve.

TV – “It will be very interesting to read what people will write when my earthquake prediction do come true.”

That sounds as close to 100% certainty as we can get here on the old prison planet.

And I think you’ve misunderstood me in the firing off of a nerve or two: I am betting against such an event, not for it. You see, I think it will not happen in your mentioned window, only because of your apparent far-too-certainty that it will.

There’s an old expression or two or three: Put your money where your mouth is. Bullshit walks, money talks,.. etc

Call me absurd, stupid, extremely unspiritual for wanting you to put your money where your ego is, I mean where your mouth is, however your laughing in my face, if and when it does happen, don’t seem too spiritual to me, but it does seem absurd & stupid, considering your laughing will not only be in my face but also in the face of the thousands of lives lost and destroyed, all for the sake of you being right.

Tony Vasquez - Professional Astrologer

You’re extremely stupid. I will ignore you from now on.

Lotus Halter

Tony V,

“If you want my opinion”–we don’t. You are counter-productive to be calling people stupid and other rude names. No one will listen to you. Maybe that’s why you’re so angry in your posts because very few people take you seriously with all your hatred-spewing.

Armando

I’m willing to sign to petition… If started

doirecity

Good night brothers and sisters https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cp7_u0kcQRo