Certainty. On a…certain level, don’t we all love it? Certainty and the sense of security it can bring seem to be quite important to human beings. Even certainty about bad, negative, unpleasant things seems to take some of the anxiety away in some cases.
Personally speaking, I’ve been fascinated with esoteric and divination systems that seemed to offer some certainty, such as the I Ching, personality typing systems like Briggs-Myers, the Enneagram and astrology, etc. It’s paradoxical though that the only certainty about security I’ve known most of my life is in living with a lack of the kind most people strive to attain, i.e. a career or job wherein they are, at least for a time, guaranteed steady income, etc.
As can be seen, I’ve lived my life creating and recreating myself many times. As one door closed, usually unexpectedly, I learned to quickly go about finding, or building, another one. This was often quite challenging, especially when I found myself to be the single father of my then 10-month old daughter…and without having been trained in any particularly useful, marketable skills to rely on in order to support us. In a sense, I found that my security was really in having no security…but in coming to be secure enough in myself to know that I could create whatever I needed. Maybe another time I’ll go into the details of my particular adventure.
For the better part of almost seven months, we’ve had the topic of astrology being discussed, most recently as it pertains to the earthquakes that have intensified around the world. The main contributor and proponent of the validity of astrology in predicting specific information about earthquakes has been Tony Vasquez. Tony’s also stated that he’s corrected the inaccurate terrestrial astrology systems so that his system would, if I understand it correctly, be considered the true and accurate astrology that the Plejaren have referred to. As can be seen from the specific astrology thread, things have been very contentious at times. I’ve been criticized for even having such a topic on my blog.
But I felt that the conversation should be held and that there may be an underlying reason for having it that wasn’t yet clear to me. It recently occurred to me that the reason could indeed be in relationship to the earthquakes. Tony’s recent warnings regarding a coming mega-quake in L.A., and his specific warning today about one coming to San Francisco, not only put his credibility on the line but raise other issues. It probably hasn’t escaped anyone’s notice that Tony has appeared to not only be quite confident in his predictions but standoffish and even arrogant in addressing not only criticisms but respectful questions and challenges pertaining to his accuracy, credentials, etc.
I’ve occasionally mentioned that, in my experience, Tony has been both accurate and…inaccurate. Because the subject of mega-quakes is quite in the news, as well as being discussed by various other astrologers, scientists, etc., we are reminded that Billy Meier predicted all of this beginning back in 1951. Now that it is upon us, it can increase our desire for certainty and security, to know when this or that next big event is going to happen. But human beings are funny creatures. We also tend to rationalize, deny, negotiate with ourselves, etc., in order to avoid or negate being self-responsible. We’ve seen many examples of people who refused to leave their homes, in the face of news warnings about hurricanes, tornadoes, floods, fires, etc. – even when the foretold events were upon them. Some survived, some lost their homes and even their lives.
Those of us who’ve studied and followed Billy Meier’s information most probably no longer have any doubts as to his incomparable and impeccable prophetic accuracy. So we’ve also wanted and asked for even more specifics, like exactly when this or that event is going to occur. In a way we’re trying to make things more…convenient for ourselves. But Meier has avoided being any more specific and has only reiterated what he’s said before, i.e. that certain places are extremely vulnerable to earthquakes, tsunamis, volcanic eruptions, etc., and that self-responsible people are sufficiently advised.
But that convenience thing still dictates many people’s lives and so even beginning to create alternative directions in life, locations for places to live and work, etc., are pushed to the back burner because of it. So I want to put a few things forward here in order to be very clear myself. First, by hosting the conversation about the earthquakes, prophecies, astrological predictions, etc., I am not in any way trying to tell people what they should do, nor to criticize them if they don’t see things the way I, or anyone else here, does. I refer back to the earlier part of the blog where I spoke about my paradoxical concern with systems that appeal to one’s search for certainty and security and my only being able to find it in myself, whatever the external conditions.
So, ultimately and literally, we’re all in the same boat…and on the same planet. How and what we decide to do, and upon what we base our decisions, are strictly personal matters of self-responsibility.
To also return to Tony’s astrological predictions about the certainty of earthquakes of specific magnitudes in specific time periods, I already said that he’s gotten certain things right…and that he’s gotten other things wrong. To balance the equation, therefore, I am listing a number of predictions* that Tony sent me in emails beginning last year that may not have occurred, or perhaps did occur partially. I should add that there were things that he appeared to foresee accurately, which I think he’s included in his own list on the blogs. I’ll let people evaluate these for themselves and of course let them ask Tony for more specifics if they wish.
Before listing the information I just want to put things in this perspective. We have meteorologists and weathermen/women who predict various conditions and the weather. Sometimes we base our decisions on what to wear, to carry an umbrella, etc., on what they say. Sometimes they’re right, sometimes they’re wrong. And sometimes it doesn’t hurt to have an umbrella, snow shovel, sunscreen, etc., handy just in case.
It still all comes down to self-responsibility.
*The following global predictions were from Tony Vasquez during August 2013 – January 2014:
Missiles being launched from planes and from missile launch pads. Large explosions in desert area’s. Very large bombs with great power and intensity. In the middle east in late 2013 into 2014. I see one bomb explosion that wipes out an entire city. This city already has heavy damage. This blast looks to be nuclear.
There becomes a religious war and attacks involving others around the globe. The United States, Canada, along with Germany, all join together with the United States forces leading the way to help bring down a religious political leader – Iran?
A massive earthquake will take place in the ocean causing a rise of islands and the rise of Atlantis which I do believe will take place over the next ten of years.
In 2013 I do see a major seaquake that does take place in the middle of the ocean that will cause major destruction and in turn cause a tsunami that will hit a coastline that has never been hit before and has never expected to be hit before – US east coast?
A new war breaks out in countries that are least expected to cause war – Europe?
It seems like North Korea and its leaders are going to cause many issues to install fear into its own people and surrounding people which will bring complete failure to the country of North Korea and the fall of their current leaders
An assassination attempt will be successful on one of the leaders of North Korea.
There will be three different assassinations and assassination attempts on major leaders and political figures.
Camp/Fort Stanley will be attacked in S.Korea by N. Korea. Huge war, 1000’s die.
New discoveries come out of Egypt. That include an underground city that lies beneath the pyramids of Egypt. One that is covered by sand and large sand dunes in the desert unveils a large discovery of Ancient Egypt, something very sacred and powerful that has been sitting under the sand for thousands of years.
The Deaths of Nelson Mandela and George Bush Sr.
There will be another high school shooting soon – 14 dead, shot in a gym, 17 more in another building, 31 total dead.
I think they will attack Syria this week.
Mars is in Cancer. Many wars have started under this position. We’ll see, but my prediction is the attack will happen, and Israel and Iran will get involved, which could be very unfortunate.
I still predict an attack while Mars is in Cancer – 4 more weeks.
Looks like that school shooting/bombing will take place in Texas – still no time frame, but soon.
I’m hearing ” major earthquake in N. California in Dec. 2013.” CNN reports catastrophic damage.
Michael,
Getting back to that petition concerning the exact date of the SF quake destruction. What is the next step?
I will let concerned persons take the initiative on the…initiative.
I may be able to contribute later but I’m swamped at the moment.
After further consideration regarding a public petition for an exact date, I would have to say that such a venture would prove to be less than effective. First of all, who exactly is going to submit such a petition? Contacts with Billy are only of a personal nature these days, which is perfectly appropriate. The Plejaren have made it crystal clear they will not interfere in any way no matter what, with the possible exception of the imminent destruction of the planet. Possibly, down the road others will place themselves in their stead, but I surely wouldn’t hold your breath. Even though they operate within their own free will, I am quite certain that they would be dissuaded from involving themselves.
Michael seems to think it’s a good idea. I certainly think the attempt should be made to save lives. Michael, how should we go about doing this?
Those who are interested should, in my opinion, start to contribute to a draft that would present the reasons and logic, humanitarian concerns, etc., and it can be refined as it proceeds.
I can write the draft, but how will people sign it?
I will create another blog…once you have a draft and have emailed me to let me know. There it will be posted and contributions to it made by interested parties until there’s a unanimously approved version.
Understood.
Better than oversat.
what is Billy’s knowledge on the crash in Smolensk? Was it secret services’ job or just an accident? Anyone knows?
The following quote fits most Americans, not all, most.
“Semjase responds by telling him to not worry about having good friends, for she has already mentioned that they are already waiting for him. They are such good friends that they will endure all unjustified ridicule and even be amused about it. The lies, criticism, and ridicule represent only a barrier that is raised by spiritually poor and ignorant people in order to cover their own stupidity because their own knowledge does not suffice to enable them to conceive of the truth. Truth and knowledge is horrifying to them.”
http://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/Chapter_3_-_EDUARD_ALBERT_MEIER
Piece over at HuffPo about controversial papyrus scroll found that has “Jesus” discussing “My ‘wife'”… I only glossed the article but the thrust was that it was genuine in that it was old. Anyway, first comment at the top of the page reads:
As an atheist, i believe Jesus existed. There seems to be plenty of proof of that. Where i draw the line is that he was just a religious guy. Like a regular old dood. Not some god. Pretty cool find in that tablet though.
Might be a good spot for you Michael, or any others, to hit em with some TJ… I don’t have a facebook, they won’t let me post…
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/04/10/jesus-wife_n_5124712.html?utm_hp_ref=mostpopular
Thanks, I submitted this:
Of course there never was a man named “Jesus Christ”. The actual man was named Jmmanuel (alternately spelled Emmanuel and Immanuel). In fact, that was the name foretold in Isaiah 7:14, and later in Matthew 1:23…where it slipped through despite all the falsifications otherwise using the imaginary Jesus name.
While the man was indeed crucified, he survived the crucifixion and traveled to India, where he later married an…Indian woman. He died at over 100 years of age and was buried in Srinagar. The original writing, upon which the book of Matthew was based, is called the Talmud Jmmanuel.
More about it and its co-discoverer, Billy Eduard Albert Meier, can be found here:
http://www.tjresearch.info
And Jmmanuel foretold things of this manner would come surrounding his life:
http://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/The_Talmud_of_Jmmanuel_-_Prophecy
36. “If at that time someone will tell the people, ‘Behold, here is Jmmanuel who is the sign of the time,’ they should not accept it as the truth,
37. “for many a false Jmmanuel and many deceivers and false prophets will come forth and perform great signs and miracles, so that it will become possible to lead astray not only the seekers, believers and errant ones, but also the scholars and knowledgeable people.
38. “Behold, I have told you this beforehand, and so it will fulfill itself.
39. “Thus, when the deceivers and those led astray will say, ‘He is in the desert,’ people should not venture there, and when they say, ‘Behold, he is in a chamber,’ they should not accept it as the truth.
40. “Since I will certainly return at that time, I will let them recognize me.
41. “This is as the law and destiny ordain it, and so it shall be.
42. “For as lightning flashes and illuminates from start to finish, so will be my coming in the future, when I will bring the teachings anew and announce the legions of the celestial sons. At that time I will have a renewed life and will again be accused of deception and blasphemy across the entire world, until the teachings of truth will bring about insight and change in the people.
43. “People of all times, beware: where the carcass is, there the vultures gather, so watch out for them.
Thanks for reminding us of this particular information.
Was Jmannuel a Jew?
I will guess and roll the dice and gamble and cross my fingers and then say that the US dollar will collapse into worthlessness after July 1 2014.
At first I thought the petition was a joke then I realised it wasn’t.
So the information Billy has screamed out over the years isn’t good enough, he’s not giving us times and dates of major disasters the same Prophet who warned this would happen 30/40/50/60 years ago.
Earthquakes, Seaquakes, Hurricanes etc, all of increasing intensity not in one specific area but globally – the prophets words are heard and clearly seen for all, but hey not good enough for some of you we want more and there’s an insinuation that the Prophet is going to let people die deliberately, so let’s go above Billy and get a petition going has a footnote on the petition can we also demand the cure for Cancer? And let’s just say you got the time and date what then?
Anyone who supports this idea of a petition has no respect for Billy what so ever and Michael you have encouraged Tony Vasquez – Professional Astrologer even more into his delusional behaviour, can’t you see the poor man is ill or don’t you think so?
Best wishes
Dave
Essentially I have to agree with you, especially as it applies to us, meaning those of us who know about, study, respect Billy and his decades’ long efforts.
Some of us think about the greater majority of the world who have never heard of Billy, the prophecies, the spiritual teaching, etc., and so think that somehow we could wake up and assist more people if we had more specific info. Of course that isn’t guaranteed even if we knew the exact day, hour and minute. After all, I’ve been, and will continue to be, publishing articles, blogs, newsletters and press releases for some time now. And on youtube alone, the combined viewership (partial or whole) of The Silent Revolution of Truth is somewhere around 3/4 of a million people. If FIGU’s figures are correct, the Goblet of the Truth has been downloaded 150,000 times!
But do we have even a bare mention anywhere in the mainstream media about anything connected to the Meier case? So, in terms of your succinct challenge to pursuing the petition idea, even though the only thing I don’t agree with is the idea that the masses know about Billy’s prophecies and should therefore see the correlation, I think you’re right on and the petition idea should be dropped. Thanks for making the point so clearly.
As for Tony, who’s made his claims and responses to people who’ve challenged and interacted with him a rather unique issue, he has at the same time put an expiration date on the issue. And in a way, whatever comes of his predictions about the L.A. quake, we have no evidence that the readers of this blog have effected an exodus from L.A., merely just some questions from a few concerned residents. In fact, the question could also be asked how many readers of the blog in L.A. – or those who live in any coastal areas – who already know about Meier’s predictions, have relocated?
But if Tony’s predictions, specific as they are, come to pass as he so confidently claims they will it will certainly raise some questions. And if not, then Tony himself would have to seriously consider not only those specific claims but the entire nature of his…certainty – the topic of this blog – and all of the implications of it, including the possibilities that you suggest.
Michael,
Firstly, the petition was your idea. Did you not think it through before you suggested it? Are you going to change your mind because of the nonsensical emotional rant of one person? If Quetzal approved of the date being given for the upcoming SF quake, then it must have been a good thing. I’m sure he thought it through before giving his approval. I will always be of the opinion that whatever we can do to save lives, even one life, should be done.
Secondly, I must say something that I’m sure will rattle some cages. Most, if not all, of the predictions that Billy gives to the world come from the Plejarens. So, technically they are the Ps predictions, not Billy’s, as so many times it is said. If Quetzal, originally approved of the release of the exact date being given, that should be good enough for everyone. That particular prediction came from the Ps, and the Ps always have High Council approval in such important matters. Quetzal was correct to approve of the date being given.
Thirdly, as I have said, I will ignore all nonsensical, absurd, stupid, insulting comments on this blog attacking me, but I will comment on what you said,”But do we have even a bare mention anywhere in the mainstream media about anything connected to the Meier case? So, in terms of your succinct challenge to pursuing the petition idea, even though the only thing I don’t agree with is the idea that the masses know about Billy’s prophecies and should therefore see the correlation…”
Precisely correct, how many people in SF do you think know about the prediction, that came from the Ps, that their lives will be in danger in the very near future? Not many, I would estimate. Any attempt to get the truth out related to this deadly catastrophe might save lives, even if it saves one life, it will be worth it! I’m sure if Dave’s life was in danger, he would appreciate someone saving it. I have personally, physically, saved the lives of four people in my life, they all appreciated it immensely, as you can imagine.
So, I will always be in favor of releasing exact dates to save lives, as Quetzal was at first.
Michael, I think you should take a majority vote on this issue, and not be swayed by one unspiritual voice. If the vote comes down NO, then so be it, at least my conscience will be clear that I tried. Many, many people will be killed in that SF quake, I think we should try anything and everything to save a few!
Tony,
I don’t operate on the principle that just because something’s my idea that it’s necessarily right. You may find out that it’s also true for you, time will tell.
So when someone else speaks good sense I owe it to myself to listen, as well as to acknowledge it. One could say, the Ps giveth and the Ps tooketh away. We could also say that “If Quetzal approved of the date being given for the upcoming SF quake, then it must have been a good thing…at the time.” Since we have a lot of evidence of the Ps making corrections or admitting they were incorrect, etc., things may have changed/been changed that altered there thinking.
Now about this save lives thing, sure, of course, we all are in favor of that. But maybe you’ve inadvertently contributed to helping focus on just how that could be done and, even better, how you as the messenger of certainty here can do it.
Okay, what I suggest that you get busy doing now is to launch your campaign to warn people and save lives by contacting the media in both L.A. and S.F. You can do this through their online newspapers, forums, etc., their various radio and TV news stations and even call-in radio shows (there are plenty in those cities). Since you’ve made your predictions quite unambiguously clear here, (as well as your feelings about anyone who dares to even question you/them) we have your indelible record to refer to. In all truth, any further discussion about those predictions, one way or another, really is a waste of time now, as I had hinted sometime ago.
But because you have the certainty, and obviously the time, energy and concern, I strongly, seriously suggest that you apply yourself to the campaign I described, which is more immediately possible, direct and potentially effective than any petition. I also suggest that you update us on your progress a couple of times a week, etc. I think that people here may even have specific ideas and suggestions to the media outlets, approach, etc., if you’re willing to accept such from “stupid” people.
Of course I also suggest that if you respond to any resistance from the media people by telling them that they’re stupid, unspiritual, nonsensical, absurd, closed-minded, arrogant, etc., you may not be effective in reaching the masses. And I think that being “right” isn’t always as important as being effective…let alone both.
So now we have what could be the best opportunity for you to at least be effective in convincing people that you are right. You don’t even need to refer to the Meier material because you have given the specific dates…not Meier. As you know, one of the core principles in the teaching is self-responsiblity. You now have the opportunity to take personal self-responsibility, express the sincerity of your concern for human life and possibly make a big difference in countless numbers of these lives…and all without insulting anyone.
Who could ask for more?
What you and others call insults from me, I call truth, harsh truth, but nevertheless truth. If someone attacks me, I’m not going to just turn the other cheek. I’m not a fantasy Christian. Have I ever been harsh with someone who didn’t attack me, NO! And I never will be. If someone is stupid, or says something stupid, I’ll say that. If they’re intelligent, I’ll say that.
As far as what I will do to warn people on my own about the SF quake, I am quite capable of deciding what to do. I don’t need any input on that one. If you can’t see how valuable knowing the exact dates of coming disasters would be, think about it. If accurate exact dates were given to prior events, people would listen to future exact dates, and save themselves. That’s logical.
That’s my opinion, some will agree with me, and others won’t. I am a man of intentional controversy. That’s the way I get people to think
about important matters. If someone likes me, great, if they don’t, I couldn’t care less, but I am effective in getting people to THINK!
Well, it looks like you do need some input. You’re kinda back to defending your comments instead of picking up the ball and running with it…in a forward direction. Like towards those good folks in L.A. and S.F. that you care about.
Really, we’ve beat that “stupid people” horse and sent it into the equine beyond. Now why not get the good folks in L.A. and S.F. to think about your controversial opinions based on your…certainty?
Otherwise I think you run the risk of appearing to be like someone who says, “Oh yeah, someday I’m gonna walk outta that door right there and I’m gonna tell the world what I think. You can bet I’m gonna go and tell everyone what I really think and when I do, boy, are they gonna be sorry and wish I’d told ’em sooner! Yup, you can bet your bottom dollar that I’m really gone do that…someday!”
With all due respect.
What are you talking about? I have warned many people of the coming quakes. Ben Lui, from this blog, for one has contacted me, discussed the matter, and is planning on moving out of LA. Others, in the emails you forwarded to me seem to be correctly concerned. I’m informing people on this blog about the matter. I have told many clients and students the info. If just one person’s life is saved, it will all be worth it.
Don’t worry about me Michael, I ALWAYS take the “ball” and run with it. I’m working with a webmaster right now to create a website for my astrological work. It should be up in 2-4 weeks. I’m sure 1000’s of people will hit that site.
This is your blog. I will follow your rules, or I’m sure you would ban me. I will not cuss anyone out, even though some deserve it, but I will say what I think I should say. My opinion, is MY opinion, right? Right.
It’s going to be very interesting what people will say when my predictions come true. The predicted swarm of quakes to hit LA BEFORE they hit was just the beginning.
Okay, I’ve put Ben in as the first person on the list of, what, about 12 million people (or more)?
A website “up in 2-4 weeks”? Tony, a website doesn’t mean that much without tons of people visiting it, through tons of promo. If you’re lucky, and presuming you don’t have a real big budget, you may reach those people in the next 18 years…or a decade or two later. And that won’t exactly be too useful to any of the dearly departed.
Nope, I think you’re resisting here. Look, for all the time that you’ve been doing your thing, you don’t have any internet presence, short of this blog, as I think that Dyson pointed out. So, unless you do the ol’ put your money where your mouth is thing, you’re going to lose credibility faster than a vegetarian at a churrascaria (a little international analogy there).
I’m trying to nudge you out of the nest here a bit so that instead of preaching to the choir, or a friendly group of naysayers, you demonstrate, i.e. teach by example and carry your word forth. Otherwise people can certainly correctly say that you’re just betting on foreseeing a big catastrophe so that you can solicit customers…while the world mourns for those you didn’t sincerely and actively try to save from their fate.
Of course you’re free to take these suggestions or not. But I think we should drop it and just see if you take significant broader action towards doing something rather than wasting time arguing about it online.
No need for the cancer petition; a quite reliable (safe and non-invasive!) CURE for most forms:
*And the medicine can be taken in a way that eliminates its notorious side effect: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7xPmR8j4plw
Thanks for that Andy i’ll look at that
Best wishes
Dave
I thought the cure for cancer was leading a non parasitic life?
Sheila,
Can you provide source for that statement? Thanks.
When the Jehovah Witness lady came last week to invite me to their Good Friday event I asked why would I celebrate the life of a man that never died on Good Friday? I told her the same thing Michael, that Jesus never died, his name was Immanuel and that he went on to marry, have children and go to India. I told her there is evidence out there that proved this. She left in a hurry but just like Arnie, she will be back.
Sheila,
I don’t know if I posted this in any of my blogs, but I’ve had some encounters with JW types that led to my showing them the book of Billy’s UFO photos and such. I think I mentioned to someone that their god had died a while back in Egypt too. I certainly will remember to point that out should they knock again. But I’m surprised that they haven’t already learned to not come within a few miles of you and your feisty myth destroying behavior.
They love me, what can I say LOL. I may be feisty but I’m not rude to them or get mad and they keep coming back for more. A lot of times you can tell their heart is in the right place, even if it is misplaced. I too have shown them Billy’s books and one even told me that there was another person (who I don’t know) who has brought up Billy’s name to them. I thought that was pretty awesome. But they sure don’t like it when I point out that Jehovah was known as the cruel one 🙂
Quetzal – In 2007, Quetzal was 376 years old. He is 1.9 meters (6.25 ft.) tall and has blue-gray eyes and light brown hair. He is the father of six children. During the 11-year contact period (1975-1986), Quetzal was Commander of all Plejaren stations in our SOL system. According to Billy Meier, Quetzal possesses enormous abilities, especially in the field of technology. He is also quite a distinguished inventor who has invented and constructed several very useful devices for Billy and FIGU, which have been of great use in the fulfillment of their mission. Regarding various concerns and problems on our earth, the four contact persons, Sfath, Semjase, Quetzal and Ptaah, have been extraordinarily willing and active in the fulfillment of their tasks.
http://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/Quetzal
Okay, I’ve sent his file and information up to the H.R. department for consideration. If we have any positions in the near future for which he may be qualified, we’ll be sure to consider him. With six children to support though, and the closing down of the stations on Earth, we suggest that he doesn’t wait around for openings in this job market. BTW, do you have his last name (for proper filing alphabetically)?
You’re TOO funny.
I’m not arguing. This is a friendly discussion.
I have never wanted an internet presence. I was always satisfied with my private practice. But at this time of history, I think that will change. It’s time for the truth to go throughout the world. I know my form of astrology is truth. We are fully entering the Aquarian Age where the correct form of astrology will be established as the most important science. People who judge me solely on my predictions are making a mistake, whether they judge me favorably, or not. Astrology is much more than predictions.
I’m not concerned about credibility. I know many people who know that the work that I do is correct and valid, and that number will grow. But I also estimate that I can never reach/convince more than 5% of the population. In my estimation, 95% of the people are either not intelligent enough to learn truth, or they are too mentally controlled by religions, governments, and scientists.
What percent of the population have you and Billy reached in a life changing way, after all of these years? You told me once that only 3-4 thousand people in the world accept the Meier material. I think that’s probably correct. That’s mainly because of the time of history that we are living in. Truth, any kind of truth, is not accepted by the vast majority of mankind quickly. That has always been the case throughout history.
Note that I just received an answer from Christian Frehner regarding the accuracy of the 150,000 downloads figure for the Goblet of the Truth:
“Yes, and that’s stunning and absolutely unexpected. When Stephan informed us we had to ask him about the possibility of a mistake. But there is no mistake, luckily.
It seems like a lot more people are monitoring our and your and other websites than we thought or imagined.”
Perhaps I too had underestimated the reach of other people’s and my own online efforts.
Now, have you picked up that phone, or started to send those emails to L.A. and S.F. media yet…or is this really going to just be about your ego and possible delusions of grandeur?
Michael, I appreciate your suggestions, but you are not my boss. I’ll do things my way, when and how.
I think some of your statements are about your ego. It’s surprising how much you misunderstand me, but I’m sure your ego will not allow you to agree with that comment.
Regardless, to me, we are on the same side of the war between truth and light vs. lies and darkness.
Tony,
As you know, I faced great criticisms for even hosting any blog about astrology and your claims in particular. I felt that it was still worth letting people think through for themselves and that giving you a forum to present your information, and to make your best case, may have some purpose. It then occurred to me that maybe this purpose was revealed in your predictions about the L.A. earthquakes.
Unfortunately though, you’ve shown yourself to be beyond thin-skinned, unscientific, non-responsive to legitimate questions and challenges, humorless, incapable of perceiving yourself even in the tiniest way as others see you, arrogant, repetitive, unwelcoming of constructive criticism by someone with a zillion times more public and media experience than you – me – and an all around inflexible, rigid personality type that your own art/craft/science should have been helpful in revealing to you, let alone assisting you to improve upon. And those may be the most positive things I can say right now.
A strong ego is absolutely necessary in order to pursue one’s goals, especially if you’ll be playing your game in any public arena. But you come off as having a very fragile ego, defensive to the point that no well-intended advice can even penetrate. Being so self-UNaware makes you not only ineffective but easily criticized, let alone eventually ridiculed, even by those who approached you honestly and openly, as well as those who – heaven forbid – dared to criticize your childishly arrogant authoritative and authoritarian self-representation, which at no time were you willing and able to support with anything resembling sufficient, verifiable accomplishments, credible documentation, etc.
To make matters worse you tried to belittle and talk down to people, explaining your uniquely evasive, inadequate inability to convey the basis of your certainties to people who, yourself, included, have been studying the work of the most brilliant human to walk the face of the earth and a man who has, somehow, managed to make accessible and understandable the spiritual teaching that comes from the heart of the Creation itself. And you can’t even begin to explain how you draw your conclusions?
Now, I have kept a pretty much hands off approach in these discussions, effectively biting my tongue and hoping that you’re going to…get it. That you’re going to wake up out of your insular, basically anonymous, sheltered, self-created illusions and delusions and find a way to actually make a real contribution here. Hence my suggestions that you take your certainties about the specified upcoming earthquakes, which may or may not be accurate, and, via the media, bring them to the attention of the people whose lives would be most effective.
Sorry, but I’m not going to let you continue your self-congratulatory, ego-ingflating posturing here.
If you want to contribute to discussions – without insulting any and everyone who disagrees with you and without any more childish ego posturing – you’re welcome to do so. But I won’t post anything more about your predictions until the time has shown them to be accurate or inaccurate.
Of course you knew I would disagree with your assessment of me before you wrote it. It is totally false and incorrect. We’ll let everyone judge me and my work for themselves. Let’s stop for now. Over and out.
Michael, needless to say, very well said, extremely accurate, right on the MONEY, etc.
The fact that you humored “Tony Vasquez – Professional Astrologer”, who comes off as “Tony Vasquez – Amateur Clown”. for this long is a testament to great love and patience.
He should thank you for your time, love, patience, forthrightness & honesty as well as your evaluation and assessment, but it will, for now go unappreciated but hopefully those words will get through to a smothered-over conscience and create the possibility for impulses of truth to make their way to his surface-consciousness.
Probably many people know this … the number of downloaded is not reflective of the number of people monitoring. Some people go to different computers and redownload (like me). Nevertheless even 50% of that is a pretty good number.
Tony Vasquez – Professional Astrologer says: “Michael,
Firstly, the petition was your idea. Did you not think it through before you suggested it? Are you going to change your mind because of the nonsensical emotional rant of one person?”
Tony let me make it perfectly clear to you and all that would want such a petition that I do not rant or come on to this blog to antagonise, upset, offend or to win over anybody, I clearly to the best of my abilities put my point of view or in this case my stance over a particular area under discussion calmly and with thought that is because I am a student of the spiritual teaching and by association with the Teaching I to a point represent FIGU, Billy and TheyFly but more to the point I try very hard to live by what I have been taught and what I have indeed learned so far and some of the credit certainly goes to you guys here which I thankyou for.
Chernobyl nuclear power plant failure was known worldwide and some of the after effects of this disaster became a feature of T.V documentaries. Japan with its history of earthquakes built Nuclear power plants and we continue to build Nuclear power plants throughout the World even now. Three Mile Island was a potentially lethal disaster and since that incident the surrounding area’s population has increased. Hurricane Katrina a “natural” disaster of biblical proportions and people still live there, it is the same throughout the globe, a disaster strikes sometimes affecting millions and what happens they all go back and rebuild, San Francisco a major earthquake so let’s build a mega city there, just look what happened in Christchurch Newzealand a hot spot for earthquakes, they rebuilt, flood plains let’s build houses and the list is endless and it’s just has the Prophet states, he cannot be clearer but you want that little bit more!
It would be fair to say would it not that MOST of the population of SanFrancisco understand that there is a massive earthquake coming their way would it not? So they have seen other disasters around the world and even in their own country in recent years so it is a logical conclusion that people living there are living there by their own choice they are aware of earthquakes and have been warned that a “Big one” is due, (by the way Billy was asked the question about the “Big one” and said that we would all have our angels wings).
Let us assume that most of the population in S.F have not heard of Billy or any of his work or FIGU are you seriously telling me that most of the adult population there don’t realise these are dangerous times for them? Of course they do.
With regards to saving my life there is a big difference to pulling me out of a burning car wreck and warning me about driving at a certain time on a certain day of a certain year especially if I know that that particular road is notorious for crashes.
Now Tony there is one thing that puzzles me and that is your claim to have the best Astrology in the world today and you have predicted with utmost confidence the L.A earthquakes so why do you need the Prophet to tell you when the “ Big one” strikes S.F?
Best Wishes
Dave
Curious, Dave…did Billy actually say “we” referring to “we” collectively as students of Spirit Teaching or “we” as in the audience he was addressing, which, I understood to be just two people? Perhaps MH can clarify that as I understood he was there? With the passage of time, I am certain people will come to appreciate the context of what BEAM says more and more, and not just words.
Not defending Tony but just thought that perhaps the exact date was something to help people to prepare (even the naysayers would be foolish no to do some precautionary preparation just in case? — think Y2K and 2012, neither of which happened though many have prepared for it). Now with all the hoopla on Y2K and 2012 gone, I’d suspect even less people (read: skeptics) would prepare for any prediction from “prophets,” “seers,” than before.
However, there is no disagreement here that people live and “die” by their own choice, all the time, whether they know it or not.
Hi Rob
I’m under the impression that the “Big one” is still a good few years away yet, my personal intuition says at least twenty years from now and has much as fifty years from now, I’m not saying that there isn’t going to earthquakes in the area as it wouldn’t surprise me if before the “Big one” several “smaller ones” will have taken many lives.
I know through the discussions about it the mirror less Car is an indicator of the near time however we don’t know what is under the bonnet/hood or the glass roof is a new solar panel or an aid to a self drive satellite system etc.
Throughout history the “false prophets” have caught the attention of for want of a better word the “feeble minded” and I agree with you some people can’t work things out there confused so let us say you were given the date of the “Big one” ask yourself what would you do and could you live with yourself afterwards? How are you going to explain to people how you know and who told without sounding like another crank etc of which the world is currently full of in my opinion?
If I told you that a major disaster was going to hit your home Town would you listen would you give up your job,home and life long possessions on my say so?
Billy was asked the date and he didn’t give,so before a petition to demand the answer why not ask Billy why he won’t give it?
Best wishes
Dave
My personal opinion is that other people’s destiny are not anyone’s to change. This is probably why dates are held back from the broader public, but the inner circle of BEAM knows more than everyone else, who is known to have access to unadulterated contact notes. When people are ready for change, they will, without the prompting of a prophet.
Furthermore, my understanding from BEAM is that we are only to share spirit teaching knowledge when asked, in defense of wrongful accusation, or to make it available so interested (evolved) party can find it when he/she is ready.
The chain of cause and effect would be tremendous given the number of people involved if actual date was given of such a event.
Would you agree that leaving the date ungiven prompts self-responsibility/discovery to truly interested party than than if a date was given?
By the way, I agree with you on your assessment of the time frame based on my own research. 🙂
I personally would not want to know any dates of any major disasters I don’t think it would help me – a good question though 🙂
Best wishes
Dave
Quite frankly, I feel the issue regarding astrology on the blog may be getting a tad out of hand and seriously detracts from what the mission actually is here. It’s probably a foregone conclusion that we would all feel much better if there was more clarity with dates regarding possible ominous things to come for the sole reason of helping our fellow Humans. I think it’s a good idea regarding the petition, I just have doubts whether our Plejaren visitors will be very forthcoming, maybe I’m wrong. It may be wise not to concentrate on who was right about which date and try to construct viable ways in which the Earth’s population can access the truth. Some will understand it as truth immediately, others will balk at it. Nonetheless, all Humans both terrestrial and otherwise deserve to be at least exposed to it so they can begin digesting it on their own. Michael does an excellent job getting the word out there already and I’m sure we can all do our part to assist in some way. It’s already hard enough as it is to get people to wake up without having to quarrel over who got what right and when regarding the next horrible thing to occur to many innocent people. I don’t intend any disrespect to anyone whatsover. Maybe we can all pool our collective ideas together for some other methods of disseminating the teachings and the irrefutable proof of the visitors. Many people around the world still consider us “nut cases” but that is rapidly changing, thank goodness.
from the Goblet of the Truth:
Those amongst you who are unknowing ones in the truth, you attempt to find out your foreordination (destiny) by objects referred to as a Lospfeil*, but this, like legerdemain (magic) and making fabulations from reading the stars, is only a harmful deceptive hallucination (delusional construction) of evil blabbermouths (charlatans) and deceivers and false seers who delude you and demand possessions and payment (money) from you for it; and do not fear their threats that you will be struck by a calamity or other terrible things, which they talk you into believing through their cunning and let you fall into grievance and fear, because these deceivers of you are entirely powerless (unable) to make truthful (unfalsified) predictions, although this is a capability of the true prophets and the true wise heralds (seers and harbingers), all of whom never take any payment for their insights into the future, just as they do not undertake commerce or swagger (boast) with their skill (ability), because they are truly wise ones and are dedicated to modesty, and do not make a fuss about themselves.
All those amongst you, do not doubt your knowledge of the truth when you hear the blabbermouths (charlatans) and deceivers and the false seers telling lies about your foreordination (destiny), because all of their words are mere slander (calumny) of the truth; do not take their false words as the truth so that you do not begin to despair due to their deception and so you do not fear what the time to come (future) will bring you.
And there are many amongst you who boast in your megalomania and selfishness and place yourselves in the light of attention of the people of your kind (human beings) in order to shine before them, but your nature is depraved and your psyche and inner world (consciousness) are ill through wanting to shine before the others; and truly, your efforts are based on immodesty and in the greediness to make a sensation about your person, but your present existence is therefore joyless and inequitable (unfair), and your happiness is as fragile as mouldy wood, and your life-conduct is as useless as a rotting fruit.
Modesty is the true nature of the true people of your kind (human beings), who go along in honesty and equitableness (fairness/responsibility) and who determine their words and deeds accordingly; and it is not possible to trust anyone who raises themselves up and sets themselves above others in any wise, rather true trust can only be given to someone who leads their present existence in modesty and also displays modesty in their dealings with you.
Thank you for the reference, Bruce.
Page/chapter # for future reference please?
Rob, sorry
Page 165, #7 & 8
Page 57, #319 & 320
sounds like that can apply to all religious leaders as well.
Wow, how perfectly germane. May deserve to be re-posted on the astrology thread as well. I’m thinking we will not be hearing so much from our favorite professional astrologer as the year continues without certain events taking place…
Yeah, not to hard to find some applicable to the resident self-designated so-called “Professional Astrologer”.
Not to mention how Mr. “Professional Astrologer” steals and uses the Prophets phraseology-language, i.e. – “the harsh or hard language of the truth”, to describe his highhanded & haughty put downs and insults to anyone who not only disagrees with him, but dares to question/challenge him, as if he were on a level of the Universal Prophet who had descended from pure spirit levels back into the material realms. In the same delusional non-thinking manner, he imagines himself to be the only human on planet earth who has figured out, has devoloped and implements a so-called ‘correct’ form of astrology, as practiced by the Plejaren, who are some 20 million +/- years ahead of the average earthling in their material-spiritual evolution. Should he ever get a response from Billy, on whether or not he indeed practices such a correct form of astrology, he will be experiencing the harsh and hard language of truth himself. But whether he would even let such hard truth-language in through his thick, fragile ego-protective/defensive shell-shield, remains to be seen.
Yup. As for your last sentence, I was thinking the same thing. But, because we haven’t heard from him in a bit, I’m thinking probably he has received a response and is currently trying to cope with it as reality slowly sets in. I actually kinda feel bad for the guy. Can hardly imagine what it’d be like comin to terms with the fact that a whole life and 34 year long career was based largely on delusion. On the other other hand, kinda hard to feel sorry for a guy who is not simply misguided, but extremely arrogant, disrespectful, high-handed, etc, etc. And indeed, Billy states pity is always out of place.
In any case, the lively discussion was fun while it lasted, but probably a good thing that the focus can now shift to weightier matters.
You are the Bruce with the translations, yes? Thank you! Really enjoying the recent self-assertion piece; some great, practical stuff there…gawsh Billy’s such a genius.
Michael talks about the copy-righted predictions as the best evidence of the authenticity of the case – and I’m sure he is right about that, but I would think, to those who will give it a fair read, the spiritual teaching itself can serve as a huge indicator. The writings of the man just scream of sagacious-ness…Know I’m preachin to the choir here, but man, just so so so far above and beyond all the religious/new age mumbo jumbo.
thanks, Andy .. and couldn’t agree more with the whole lot of it
“…through his thick, fragile ego-protective/defensive shell-shield,…”
And you don’t have a fragile ego??
sorry if I don’t accommodate losers & let them make tire tracks all over my back … ply your juvenile trade elsewhere … I ain’t interested
That name calling just hurt me 🙁
“There is so much good in the worst of us, and so much bad in the best of us, that it hardly behooves any of us to talk about the rest of us.”
EC Reading #3063-1
Certainty… Is an interesting thing to think about. What is certain with or without security.
If I am certain that bad things will befoul our world, will I ever be secure with anything else without having created some sort of security to comfort my thoughts/feelings(even if seemingly superficial on a physical level). Maybe a balance between what we see as certain and what we see as being able to create security within ourselves. As no matter what may befoul our dear earth we have within ourselves to try and evolve and continue the ever needed self responsibility to our world and each other… no matter what certainty we may think we will find on the ‘outside’. The world is a never ending string of events that lose the masses from one event to another… no security no certainty that things will get better, push this mass forward without thought and true self responsible security within treating each event as they are truly needed to be treated. I guess the only certainty that can be gained is that we are certain to learn from our mistakes eventually or face grueling conditions until we do. If my own way through life is any indicator to many others… the hard way always seems to be what we think is the easy way and we take security in that? Our we certain that this is the right approach?