Certainty. On a…certain level, don’t we all love it? Certainty and the sense of security it can bring seem to be quite important to human beings. Even certainty about bad, negative, unpleasant things seems to take some of the anxiety away in some cases.
Personally speaking, I’ve been fascinated with esoteric and divination systems that seemed to offer some certainty, such as the I Ching, personality typing systems like Briggs-Myers, the Enneagram and astrology, etc. It’s paradoxical though that the only certainty about security I’ve known most of my life is in living with a lack of the kind most people strive to attain, i.e. a career or job wherein they are, at least for a time, guaranteed steady income, etc.
As can be seen, I’ve lived my life creating and recreating myself many times. As one door closed, usually unexpectedly, I learned to quickly go about finding, or building, another one. This was often quite challenging, especially when I found myself to be the single father of my then 10-month old daughter…and without having been trained in any particularly useful, marketable skills to rely on in order to support us. In a sense, I found that my security was really in having no security…but in coming to be secure enough in myself to know that I could create whatever I needed. Maybe another time I’ll go into the details of my particular adventure.
For the better part of almost seven months, we’ve had the topic of astrology being discussed, most recently as it pertains to the earthquakes that have intensified around the world. The main contributor and proponent of the validity of astrology in predicting specific information about earthquakes has been Tony Vasquez. Tony’s also stated that he’s corrected the inaccurate terrestrial astrology systems so that his system would, if I understand it correctly, be considered the true and accurate astrology that the Plejaren have referred to. As can be seen from the specific astrology thread, things have been very contentious at times. I’ve been criticized for even having such a topic on my blog.
But I felt that the conversation should be held and that there may be an underlying reason for having it that wasn’t yet clear to me. It recently occurred to me that the reason could indeed be in relationship to the earthquakes. Tony’s recent warnings regarding a coming mega-quake in L.A., and his specific warning today about one coming to San Francisco, not only put his credibility on the line but raise other issues. It probably hasn’t escaped anyone’s notice that Tony has appeared to not only be quite confident in his predictions but standoffish and even arrogant in addressing not only criticisms but respectful questions and challenges pertaining to his accuracy, credentials, etc.
I’ve occasionally mentioned that, in my experience, Tony has been both accurate and…inaccurate. Because the subject of mega-quakes is quite in the news, as well as being discussed by various other astrologers, scientists, etc., we are reminded that Billy Meier predicted all of this beginning back in 1951. Now that it is upon us, it can increase our desire for certainty and security, to know when this or that next big event is going to happen. But human beings are funny creatures. We also tend to rationalize, deny, negotiate with ourselves, etc., in order to avoid or negate being self-responsible. We’ve seen many examples of people who refused to leave their homes, in the face of news warnings about hurricanes, tornadoes, floods, fires, etc. – even when the foretold events were upon them. Some survived, some lost their homes and even their lives.
Those of us who’ve studied and followed Billy Meier’s information most probably no longer have any doubts as to his incomparable and impeccable prophetic accuracy. So we’ve also wanted and asked for even more specifics, like exactly when this or that event is going to occur. In a way we’re trying to make things more…convenient for ourselves. But Meier has avoided being any more specific and has only reiterated what he’s said before, i.e. that certain places are extremely vulnerable to earthquakes, tsunamis, volcanic eruptions, etc., and that self-responsible people are sufficiently advised.
But that convenience thing still dictates many people’s lives and so even beginning to create alternative directions in life, locations for places to live and work, etc., are pushed to the back burner because of it. So I want to put a few things forward here in order to be very clear myself. First, by hosting the conversation about the earthquakes, prophecies, astrological predictions, etc., I am not in any way trying to tell people what they should do, nor to criticize them if they don’t see things the way I, or anyone else here, does. I refer back to the earlier part of the blog where I spoke about my paradoxical concern with systems that appeal to one’s search for certainty and security and my only being able to find it in myself, whatever the external conditions.
So, ultimately and literally, we’re all in the same boat…and on the same planet. How and what we decide to do, and upon what we base our decisions, are strictly personal matters of self-responsibility.
To also return to Tony’s astrological predictions about the certainty of earthquakes of specific magnitudes in specific time periods, I already said that he’s gotten certain things right…and that he’s gotten other things wrong. To balance the equation, therefore, I am listing a number of predictions* that Tony sent me in emails beginning last year that may not have occurred, or perhaps did occur partially. I should add that there were things that he appeared to foresee accurately, which I think he’s included in his own list on the blogs. I’ll let people evaluate these for themselves and of course let them ask Tony for more specifics if they wish.
Before listing the information I just want to put things in this perspective. We have meteorologists and weathermen/women who predict various conditions and the weather. Sometimes we base our decisions on what to wear, to carry an umbrella, etc., on what they say. Sometimes they’re right, sometimes they’re wrong. And sometimes it doesn’t hurt to have an umbrella, snow shovel, sunscreen, etc., handy just in case.
It still all comes down to self-responsibility.
*The following global predictions were from Tony Vasquez during August 2013 – January 2014:
Missiles being launched from planes and from missile launch pads. Large explosions in desert area’s. Very large bombs with great power and intensity. In the middle east in late 2013 into 2014. I see one bomb explosion that wipes out an entire city. This city already has heavy damage. This blast looks to be nuclear.
There becomes a religious war and attacks involving others around the globe. The United States, Canada, along with Germany, all join together with the United States forces leading the way to help bring down a religious political leader – Iran?
A massive earthquake will take place in the ocean causing a rise of islands and the rise of Atlantis which I do believe will take place over the next ten of years.
In 2013 I do see a major seaquake that does take place in the middle of the ocean that will cause major destruction and in turn cause a tsunami that will hit a coastline that has never been hit before and has never expected to be hit before – US east coast?
A new war breaks out in countries that are least expected to cause war – Europe?
It seems like North Korea and its leaders are going to cause many issues to install fear into its own people and surrounding people which will bring complete failure to the country of North Korea and the fall of their current leaders
An assassination attempt will be successful on one of the leaders of North Korea.
There will be three different assassinations and assassination attempts on major leaders and political figures.
Camp/Fort Stanley will be attacked in S.Korea by N. Korea. Huge war, 1000’s die.
New discoveries come out of Egypt. That include an underground city that lies beneath the pyramids of Egypt. One that is covered by sand and large sand dunes in the desert unveils a large discovery of Ancient Egypt, something very sacred and powerful that has been sitting under the sand for thousands of years.
The Deaths of Nelson Mandela and George Bush Sr.
There will be another high school shooting soon – 14 dead, shot in a gym, 17 more in another building, 31 total dead.
I think they will attack Syria this week.
Mars is in Cancer. Many wars have started under this position. We’ll see, but my prediction is the attack will happen, and Israel and Iran will get involved, which could be very unfortunate.
I still predict an attack while Mars is in Cancer – 4 more weeks.
Looks like that school shooting/bombing will take place in Texas – still no time frame, but soon.
I’m hearing ” major earthquake in N. California in Dec. 2013.” CNN reports catastrophic damage.
Tony, In response to your statement: “It will be very interesting to read what people will write when my earthquake prediction do come true.”
Reply
Tony, how do we put stock in your predictions when most all of them are false and incorrect. Insofar as to the earthquake prediction for CA, this has been predicted by seismologists for quite some time and surely will happen, but it didn’t happen in Dec. as you predicted. It doesn’t take any astute prognostications to predict an earthquake in CA is imminent, the entire “ring of fire” is very active now as seen with the past quake off 8.2 off the coast of Chile, and the rumblings now in L.A. I’m sure you would take delight, and jump with glee, in seeing your earthquake predictions for CA come true so you could silence your detractors, and give you credibility, but unfortunately that would not bolster your standings as a prognosticator as your record of past wrong predictions outnumber even the few vague and possible right ones. Overall, your accuracy has been less than 5% in predicting events, but unfortunately I doubt you will fess up to this as you are so determined to be proven right. The CA prediction of an major earthquake won’t achieve that for you, as you’re riding on the coat tails of far more expertise seismologist predictors who have been forecasting this far longer than you. A little more humility and less attacks against your detractors would go a long way in improving your image.
As a practicing astrologer for over 40 years there are many who claim to be prophetic under the guise of astrology, but bring more disrepute to the ancient practice, than credibility, with their false prophesies and predictions.
This message will surely not be received warmly, as true humility is a virtue of a loving spirit, whereas humiliation is a bi-product of the ego.
You’re incorrect and not worth my time. I’ll laugh in your face as well.
Ron,
I agree with everything you wrote here to Tony V.
Signed,
Lotus H, Earth Human in Training
Bruce, I love your bet and your challenge, let’s see if it taken.
I have already accurately predicted the swarm of quakes hitting the LA area BEFORE they happened. I’m confident that I have done the work correctly, and the mega-quake will happen in the July – September time frame. We’ll see won’t we. All skeptics, doubters, and haters can stay away from me. You don’t hurt me, you only hurt yourselves and show your stupidity.
Tony, chill out for a moment, homey. I’m sure you have some talent, knowledge, wisdom, etc that you’ve developed through your own efforts for reading astro-related tea leaves.
There is no need to constantly vindicate your opinion, viewpoint, work, efforts, etc. The more one does such things, the more they tend to take their eye off the ball. When asked about other humans having the ability to communicate with spirit-forms in the beyond, Billy said, there are maybe a handful of them on planet earth and not a single one of them would make such known, would profit off it, would shout it from the rooftops, etc. Take from that what you will. He’s also spilled a fair amount of ink on the subject of “Bescheidenheit”.
With all this, I am not meaning to jump on the give-Tony-a-hard-time bandwagon, so take a deep breath before you shoot. Then if you still feel like shooting, go for it.
Your ghetto speak proves to me how unintelligent you are. Everything that you have said is incorrect and absurd. Stay away from me.
Oh my , insult after insult
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Dear Tony and Michael: I would like to thank both of you for the information about the future L.A. earthquakes. I am taking the information very seriously. As to the skeptics or critics please stay off the comments and replies. You are just hurting yourself. (per Billy’s teaching) In my humble opinion, astrology is part of the universe. If any of you have a legitimate question regarding astrology readings concerning yourself, then do ask. If anyone wants to attack about Tony’s work, please keep it to yourself. I feel that we should respect him and stay off it. Tony is merely providing information about what he discovered. Whether the event take place or not, it is out of his good intentions. By mocking him and calling him a fraud or a liar indirectly is very rude.
Dear Ben,
This is actually an experiment of sorts. To be clear, Billy has indeed said that we don’t have the correct astrology, especially for global evevnts. however, Tony is insistent that he does and so I’ve essentially provided this forum because of the possible value of information pertaining to a coming L.A. earthquake.
Unfortunately, the discussion is often quite inelegant. i don’t think there ia that much more to say about the matter until we see if Tony’s information is, or was, accurate, which is going to…shake things out, one way or the other. so I guess you could say that it will either be goodbye L.A. or…goodbye Tony.
“Goodbye Tony”, what do you mean by that, Michael? Express your mind before the event happens or not.
I simply mean that should Tony’s emphatically expressed certainty, as well as his intolerance for other people’s legitimate questions and challenges, be shown to be unfounded, then it’s doubtful that he would be making any more such claims, either about specific events or his self-assessed, singularly valid and correct version of terrestrial astrology.
That’s incorrect. All scientists have failures and successes. When one of my predictions proves to be incorrect, that just motivates me to work harder and longer. And when one of them proves to be correct, I am validated within myself that I’m on the right track.
That would seem to be a reasonable prediction, Michael, however I doubt that if/when the dozen or so predictions he’s given this year do not come to pass, that he will actually pipe down as would any other half-way modest and reasonable person.
But Tony has completely deluded himself. Like the Malaysian airliner thing–he reaches for threads, and then says “oh see, I did hit!” and thus “validates” to himself his “ability”… But they’re clearly not hits. But by stretching the timeline, and fuzzing the details (or subtly, fraudulently changing the prediction after the fact), he will nearly ALWAYS be able to claim a hit… “Oh, will I saw it like this, but I just described it wrong, or I was only really a little off… this thing that just happened, that was the event I predicted…I mean, come on, you can’t expect me to be completely perfect…”
When thats the name of the game…we could all be 90 percenters… Talk about moving the goal posts (and stretching em as wide as you please).
It’s sad really. Like the religious person who reaches for anything to validate his position, however ludicrous/untenable the position and however many mountains of evidence to the contrary.
Since he hurls around insults willy-nilly. Allow me to return the favor:
Tony, not only are you unbelievably disrespectful, an embarrassingly pathetic spokesperson for your cause… you have gone completely off the deep end.
I realize there is always something a bit ironic about criticizing someone for being critical… but so be it. I for one am SO SICK of seeing this utterly disrespectful… 100% incorrect, stupid, illogical non-sense.
I suggest – and will enforce – a new “No Insult Zone”.
I think everyone who’s wanted to has gotten in their shots. In fact, I think it would be good if, from here on until the “appointed time”, we refrain from more conjecture about the L.A. earthquake topic. I don’t see anything more to be gained.
Things will self-clarify soon enough. So I suggest focusing on the Meier related content in the blog. There’s certainly plenty to discuss. And, soon, there will be more.
Dear Michael, For the people sake, I hope Tony’s reading is off chart. Of course for Tony’s Sake, L.A. quake happens. I guess I am in a lose/lose situation. In the past, I was warning my family members and friends live in the bay area regarding Billy’s prediction and they laugh at me and said, whatever will be, let it be. I was hurt. At that moment, I wish the major quake really happens just to prove Billy’s prediction. Then, I thought about it, it will kill thousands of people. So, I now wish it would not happen. But I know I will happen, so sad. Well, we need to keep Tony on for his information whether the L.A. quakes take place or not. Thanks Michael for everything and being a good friend.
Here’s the kicker Ben, I did the same with my East Coast pals regarding a certain island sinking causing a tsunami and I was told “that will never happen” and just brushed aside. When I made a point that it can happen sometime in the future and not necessarily suggesting tomorrow would be the day of days, the next response was “what do you want me to do”.
There it is again the key response “what do you want me to do”. Even if the response is snarky, cynical, or sarcastic, the most basic question like that reveals the whole Earth Humanity has dug itself into.
We live on this planet together and if we’re stuck on zero all the time then what good does knowing the day or hour do since all that will do is move from one rolling disaster to another disaster. Even if you for example saved 100% of everyone from ONE Earth Quake, what are they going to do the day after you moved them into another ecosystem that isn’t prepared to absorb the mass of humanity as it’s fleeing from one problem to the next and did not previously follow the laws and recommendations of Creation?
Lots of good pouts being raised.
I’ll pop my response to Tony in here:
I think that there can be benefits to personal astrology information, at least I feel I’ve benefited here and there from certain info that helped me clarify, better understand, accept some things that I was able to use.
Somewhere back in this thread, Billy’s statement about us not having the real and correct astrology was made. Maybe Billy didn’t know about Tony at the time, or maybe the assessment is still valid. Rather than anyone else doing it, I think since he’s making the claim, that Tony should pop the question off to Billy himself and see what answer he gets. He can then share it with all of us.
Well said Ben, thank you for being logical and truthful.
Michael,
One more thing.
Has Billy told you that I don’t practice a correct form of astrology?
As far as I know, he has not. Why not ask him?
I would just like to point out, in order to save Tony the trouble, once again, that I am extremely stupid, unintelligent, absurd, stupid, and extremely unspiritual. 🙁
And I would like to thank Tony Vasquez for the constructive criticism founded in his love for his fellow human, whom he only wishes to help along the path of evolution in a loving kind and wise as pointed out by Billy in Contact 221.
http://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/Contact_Report_221
“The practicing of criticism, i.e. the criticizing of the Earth people against their neighbors, corresponds to a very bad habit, which is founded in the desire to be better and the desire to know better than one’s neighbors. The criticizers are, thus, of the false belief that they are better or could be somewhat better or would know better, etc. than those whom they criticize. Thus, no so-called “healthy assessment” is practiced, which exists in the so-called “art of assessment,” through which a neutral assessment of a person or thing takes place; rather, a criticism occurs, which truly consists of pointing out alleged or genuine errors in a derogatory manner, in order affect one’s neighbors with it psychologically or in any way. This is also true for the so-called professional critics, who have the audacity to criticize people and their labors and works, etc. as well as things and stuff of any kind in their wrong and megalomaniacal conceit and think that they would understand something of the matter concerned. Critique or criticism truly exhibits in no way the form of an assessment or art of assessment and doesn’t rest in an examination and in an insight but rather is grounded in a chronic, habitual, derogatory laceration and abasement of that which is criticized. This, however, has nothing to do with the assertion and misrepresentation of the earthly philosophers that it would concern an assessment, an examination, and an insight, as well as an evaluation. These values do not find their authorization in critique or criticism but solely in the neutral art of assessment and in the neutral assessment evaluation. But critique or criticism doesn’t know these values because solely a judgment follows from it, through which a person claims to classify something as given or not given, as good or bad, as negative or positive, or as genuine or false and, accordingly, to make a decision autocratically. At the same time, an assessment is completely omitted because neither the negatives nor the positives are effectively seen in their true form. In contrast to this are the assessment and evaluation, through which not only the negatives but also the positives become seen, recognized, assessed, and evaluated. Through this, someone or someone’s action, labor, work, thing, or matter, etc. doesn’t just simply become criticized and, thus, torn up into the air, so that the whole thing truly only corresponds to a lousy, biased, hateful, autocratic, and arrogant intolerance. This also refers to the opinion and life attitude as well as to the world view of the people and also how they dress, what hobbies and pleasures, etc. they have, and what kinds of lifestyles they maintain, because all these things, which are really of the purest private nature, are also complained of by the trouble-making critics and are mercilessly and self-righteously torn apart in a yelping manner because they regard themselves as better and more clever than they concede this to their neighbors – even though they themselves are usually bean straw dumb and stupid and have a crude attitude toward life and toward their fellow human beings.”
Dear Bruce, many of us and myself do not like to get between you, Ron and Tony. Now it seems like it is getting out of hand. I find that you should really try to understand the report 221. I think it really applies to you and Ron then on Tony. You and Ron are criticizing Tony’s wrong predictions. “Pointing Errors”. I can go on pointing many other points in the report 221 which you have cited. Nevertheless, many of us view Tony’s predictions and warnings as good intentions. If they don’t come true, then it is good for us. I agree with you that it does make us worry. While Tony has been doing astrology work for approximately 35 years, he does acknowledge that it is hard to pinpoint exact timeline. So if he misses the predictions, so what??? why are you so gunho on him. As you and all of us know that we human do not have the all the information and technology as yet to really accurately predict things. As Tony has said, if he has the technologies as Ps, he may be more accurate, so he is telling us that he will miss calulate events. Some of his predictions were correct and some were not. Why don’t you and Ron just leave him alone. What have both of you learned from arguing with Tony? What happened to love, compassion, understanding, forgiveness and so on. Why can you have compassion on Tony by thinking and sending good wishes to him by wishing “may Tony be healthy and may he gets better with technology and information to help him with his astrology work”??? Instead, you find it more amusing to attack him and point out his wrongs. Are you better then him??? Tony truely believes in his work. Yes he does needs help to better his work with other information. Please leave your neighbor Tony alone. Just watch his predictions and whether they are true or not, just make good wishes for him. That is the only way for you to neutralize your thoughts toward him. Are we missing or forgetting Billy’s teaching? Billy said, don’t let others problems be yours by responding to it. Then we must make good wishes to that person as much as we can in a day so that our mind or thoughts may not be filled with anger, hatred and so on. I truly hope that all of us are practicing Billy’s teachings and apply them in our daily lives. Here is a good example.
Peace and love to all
Very well said Ben, and thank you for expressing your opinion.
Hi Ben, it seems you haven’t read what I wrote to Tony.
He claims 90% accuracy, therefore I was willing to take the extremely low odds of 10% that he will be WRONG with his prediction of a mega-quake in the LA area his predicted time-window. And I was willing to make a wager on those low odds and anything I won would go to mission causes at Michael Horn’s discretion. For that Tony called me names and said he’d laugh in my face (spiritually, no doubt) when the mega-quake hits destroying tens of thousands of lives.
Then I explained to him that he is a BIG talker, therefore he should back it up with some cold hard cash. Anyone can talk big but bullshit walks, money buys the bread. He continued to bullshit and toss around high-handed, better-than-thou, insults.
Your summation was incorrect.
Let me make this very clear. My predictions of quakes in LA and other places, and all other predictions, are not a personal, or emotional matter to me, but rather they are a scientific and intellectual matter. In the case of the LA mega-quake, I’m attempting to warn people to save lives. I have no evil intent in making that prediction.
As I have said, I have already accurately predicted the swarm of small quakes hitting the LA area before they happened, that could be evidence to some clear thinking people, that I’m correct about the mega-quake. That’s why I predicted the swarm, and I think there will be three more quakes between 3.7 and 4.7 as part of that swarm, before the mega-quake hits. If those hit, that should be more evidence that I am correct in this prediction. I have never claimed to be 100% accurate, but over 35 years my accuracy rate is approximately 90%, and that includes all predictions. whether the pertained to individuals, or the world. If you believe that great, if you don’t, I don’t care to hear your nonsensical comments.
As I have also said, many of my predictions come true at a later time than predicted. Getting the timing correct is the most difficult part of making astrological predictions. I would say that 90% of my predictions that have been posted on this blog will come true at some point in the future. Many already have. But regardless, my predictions that have been posted on this blog are a very small sample of the 1000’s I have made in my career.
in Reply to: All skeptics, doubters, and haters can stay away from me. You don’t hurt me, you only hurt yourselves and show your stupidity.
Tony, why is anyone who finds your work to be essentially inaccurate and your many past predictions to be incorrect and who has opinions contrary to yours “stupid”? And why do you think someone is a “hater” because they respond to your pompous predictions that have been so very wrong in the past year. I could list all of them here for you to review and reply to, or as would likely be the case, from you a rationalization and excuses for their inaccuracy. If you would like to see the list of inaccuracies I will post them here for discussion, but you would rather rant about your L.A. predictions as proof of your legitimacy. If you truly want a discussion regarding your past predictions I would be happy to discuss them with you, without hatred, stupidity, but with true skepticism. What happened with the last prediction you made for a Mega Quake in CA this past December? Just curious. What about your prediction that: “I see lots of major issues in the way of electrical power blackouts in 2012. There will be so many issues with power worldwide, with huge blackouts that last months even years. More blackouts and rolling blackouts then ever. Some very odd and completely unexplained by scientists.” Sorry, but these events never occurred as you predicted. How about the more current predictions for Japan and India that were to have occurred by your prediction? To quote the dire prediction: “I do see 8+ earthquakes/tsunamis(3) hitting Japan and one 8+ hitting India – huge disasters with cities leveled.” Of course, this could have been accurate for Japan if you had made it BEFORE the huge quake that took out the nuclear power plant and killed thousands. One final prediction you made last year that proved wrong: “I also see the Pope dying this year – the last pope then elected. Sept.-Nov. period for this.” That never happened either. Of course it’s alright for you to be wrong, it’s just that if you were regarded, respected and revered for you great astrological predictions, you would surely scare the hell out of a lot of people with these dire prophesies, but fortunately, you’re none of these things and not too many people will shake and tremble at the coming doom you forecast, as your accuracy level would never allow you to receive such a following. Without hate, malice, or stupidity I write these things: Just being objective, honest and forthright, but you can dismiss me as stupid, hateful and incorrect, or maybe “ghetto speech”. You’re very good at demeaning other people. So maybe you deserve a dose of your own medicine. I could call you misguided, stupid, ignorant, fame-seeking, delusional or just plain charlatan, but I’ll leave the name calling to you, who thinks the people who challenge your predictions and accuracy are doomed to have you “laughing in our face” as you put it. Anyone who would “laugh” about the destruction of any city, or the lives of thousands to assuage his grand ego over a prediction is in my mind either deranged or lacking in any compassion or empathy for others. I will not be writing on this subject after this missive as it would be serving no purpose other than what has been said, but I know you will have to get the last word in, or is it the last “laugh”. 🙁
My dear Michael,
I’d say you opened up a can of worms on this one. 🙂
I don’t usually get caught up in the form of banter, but for some devilish reason I have been enjoying it. If nothing else you surely keep us entertained, amused and forced to put on our “thinking caps.” I find your open forum for expression on your blog site to be most scintillating and, of course, thought provoking. Thanks for the forum.
Dear Ron,
Yes, things weren’t busy and intense enough.
What was I thinking?
Or, as a famous old comedian used to say in analyzing such questions:
“You really have two questions there. The first one is, ‘What?’, to which the answer could be, “Who knows?’, and the second question is, ‘Was I thinking?’, to which the answer could be, ‘Maybe not.'”
ha, ha. You’re still the wittiest man I know. Love your wit, humor and intellect, you’ always have a gift for outshining your critics and detractors. Some people I know could take lessons from you in handling the naysayers and criticisms. You’re the master at that.
I just have a real good compendium of other people’s material, most of it’s so old that few will recognize my plagiarism.
You’re still one of my favorite people of all time. Come visit sometime when you need some sunshine and fresh air.
Well I always said that you were a discerning man, a good judge of character and hopefully susceptible to flattery.
Even though my need for sunshine and fresh air is already a matter of history, I would love to visit in the near furniture.
Ron,
I feel the same way – had never been one to be so confrontational. But it is fun isn’t it!! I don’t know what it is, Tony just seems to beg for criticism in a way that can’t be resisted.
Regards.
P.S. Are you the one who formerly opined skepticism of the case? Any changes on that front? In any case, I’m enjoying your presence here.
Sure, since you don’t feel like doing it, I’ll ask Billy. How do you propose that I do that?
Just write a note to Christian Frehner asking him to forward the question to Billy.
Hey, aren’t you glad you decided to chat about all this stuff an get a chance to meet so many new people?
Most of them yes, some of them no. Some of these new people are “old” people. I’m sure you understand.
How do I write Christian?
christian.frehner@figu.org
ok thanks.
I’d be very interested in the reply from Meier or Christian — to see if it deviates from past patterns. 🙂
Okay now is Tony Vasquez “aka” The Pro Astrologer a real person or are you Michael portraying and doing all the ad-libbing of this fictitious character or is it really a product of nature fighting back because of the monstrous world overpopulation?
I can’t take credit for this one, Tony’s an original, as we (probably) all are here.
Okay, I only wanted to verify this with you because I was afraid that Tony would try to take right off. Thank you very much.
Role-playing can be healthy if practiced with care. 🙂
May I change the subject a little. I just started reading, the pleadian mission by Randolph Winters. He says in his book that Billy’s spirit was contacted on a planet called Lahson. Here the Pleadian’s asked the spirit to help with the mission to spread the truth of creation on earth. In order to get the spirit to earth his spirit had to move into the body of a small boy who hosted the spirit for the journey to earth. Is this a wrong teaching. I did hear that Winters was a fraud. None the less I am interested to see what he has wrote in his book.
Thanks
I would suggest asking Randall first so he can defend his honor.
Are you having a laugh or are you serious.
No seriously to be a fair human being to another one who all should strive for a common humanity. Be fair to your fellow one and see exactly what is going on.
Good advice thanks.
Since Winters is still alive, it wouldn’t hurt to ask the source…
I don’t think he was teaching, but rather just relaying and sending off his own opinion on a number of things along the way ….
Speaking of which, does anyone know of a reliable way to reach him?
That was very nice of Meth Meier to flag me on Facebook to play games. Hi Meth and thank you too. I wish you and your dad could see eye to eye, however I too have the similar problem with my dad if that helps you any?
Yes Meth…me too, but my lost contact with my dad is approaching 15 years, how sad and it causes all kinds of losses in this lifetime and it really is my responsibility to correct the problem but how and but now in living memory?
Michael,
You said:
“I’ve occasionally mentioned that, in my experience, Tony has been both accurate and…inaccurate.”
Yes, some of my predictions have not come true, and some not yet, but many have – the recent swarm of small quakes in LA, the year Nelson Mandela would die, record cold temperatures in 2014 in the USA, the major quake in Chile, and others.
I would like to ask the skeptics and doubters – How did I successfully make those predictions? Did I guess right? That is illogical. No, I didn’t just guess correctly, I used astrology correctly.
I’m sure none of the doubters can make accurate predictions, other than guessing correctly. They only act closed-minded, arrogant, and absurd about the entire issue.
As I have said, I will let my work speak for itself, and as the predictions come true, the doubters will fall away. But I have never claimed to be 100% accurate, and I will not attempt to explain astrology to people who have no background in astronomy, or in the science of the stars. I’m certain that would be a huge waste of time.
Oh by the way, I will not reply to: Dyson, Andy, Anthony, Duke, Ron, Bruce, and Darcy again. I could use some strong words to describe them, but let’s just say, they are a waste of my time. So, all of you should not waste your energy and time writing me. I will ignore you.
I’m here on this blog for two reasons – to discuss the Meier material, and to present the great science of astrology in the correct light. Predictions are only a small part of astrology – read my explanation on the astrology thread.
So, let me make this clear, I’m here in peace and with a desire to engage in intellectual discussions with open minded intelligent people, the rest can stay away.
Michael, I did write Christian.
Hi Professor of Astrology,
I just want to say is that don’t expect us to walk into the hole you dug for yourself seeing as you claim to be such an astute student of the Meier material and a Professor-ional of the ‘science of the stars’.
So, how is that you’re predictions are not 100% if you are claiming to PRE-DICT something?
There is a difference in the Meier material between prophecies and predictions. Yet, all I see you type is that you make nothing but and exclusively PREDICTIONS. Not prophecies, predictions.
Also, not sure why Dustball moving into a region of space that happens to arrange itself from our view here on Misery has to do something with the Flag-Pole cluster of stars instantly leads to war. Of course, if I followed mythology I would instantly know why you came to that conclusion because mythology makes sense of it as Cancer is normally the dimmest of the Constellation and we know how naughty Ares is all the time.
Astrology ain’t hard when you know where to connect the dots. Two plus two.
Thanks and have a great day.
Cheers!
I’d just like to say that I’m honored to be included with such fine company as Dyson, Andy, Anthony, Duke, Ron and Darcy .. that’s the first non-insult you’ve hurled my way, so thanks!
Tony,
Are you joking? I don’t know, HOW could one possibly predict the death of a 95 year-old man without astrology??? Truly, uncanny.
As for the record colds, when did you publish this, around first of Feb? Perhaps you … watched the weather channel.
Please stop with the Chile stuff, you’re either kidding yourself or blatantly trying to deceive. The prediction was:
“Major Earthquake Catastrophes in the following countries: Chile, Japan, Indonesia, Philippines, and China”
This hasn’t come true yet. Not even close really. If you define this as a hit merely after a hardly-‘catastrophic’ quake in ONE of these locales… you have cast such a wide net that a minnow couldnt help but find its way in. This does not evidence predictive powers at all. It WILL be a hit when major earthquakes strike all of these places with some significant measure of destruction occurring at a least a couple of them. Even big ones at four of the five countries and I’ll give you the benefit of the doubt. Short of that, it is not a hit–and you do great disservice to your integrity and credibility for prematurely/deceptively claiming otherwise.
As for the “LA swarm”…I don’t know, this may be a hit. It would take a close look at whats normal for the area, to gauge whether this was an impressive prediction or an irrelevant virtual cant-miss. But even if we were willing to call it a hit right now, from what I have seen, this puts your accuracy…at about 4% – no where near the 90 you claim. (I will point out that NONE of your predictions that were concrete and specific, allowing for no wiggle room, etc., have yet come true yet).
But you have put a lot on the table, we will see if that number rises over the course of the year. Until then, do you think you could tone down the I’m-better/smarter-than-all attitude, and muster a little more respect for those who are skeptical…considering you have given us nothing to warrant anything but skepticism?
And I can’t help but point out one last time that you are obviously NOT “here in peace and with a desire to engage in intellectual discussions with open minded intelligent people”. Stop saying that. You are here to say 1) “you are 100% incorrect” to people who disagree with you, or 2) “thank you for being truthful” to people who agree with you. This is not anything close to “intellectual discussion.”
Whatever.
Though I have no experience with Astrology and personally find no need for it in my life… Some people do and that is not for me to completely block from my thoughts. As our earth form of astrology is highly flawed, it at least means it has a purpose none the less. Something to strive to be ‘corrected’ like so many other things on our earth.
Though a good separation has to be found. The Plejaren and Billy are one thing and earth astrology is a completely different one in my book. Though one is a ‘correct’ version(Billy’s prophecy’s and predictions) and the other a work in progress.
There is such an abundance of personal thought within what the Plejaren are saying that one could(will) ponder it for millions of lives…. Truly more than we/most could ever hope to have found in this one(or many?). And yet its simplicity is partially its weakness it seems. The more fantastic and ridiculous the more it eases our earthly illogical yearnings. Though this also allows the truth to be hidden right in the midst of it all… make it all to good to be true and none of it will be?
When we begin to find ourselves within us, and take personal responsibility with it and all things. Then maybe we will find the true way to strive forward ever more within creation.
There is much work to do right here, at this very moment within just me… let alone within what may lie ahead.