Well those funny fellas at “OpenMinds” are at it again.
Our friend Sheila informed me about this page, where I managed to submit one post before I was…banned.
I found out that I was banned when I tried to respond to Alejandro Rojas’s post claiming that I was “vague”. Of course he didn’t want this to be seen by anyone and open the door to further refutation of all of the disinformation about the Billy Meier UFO case that is a very significant part, perhaps the central purpose, of their agenda:
Perhaps, Alejandro, for the benefit of all concerned, you would post the “the lies Meier has been caught in”, as I am unaware of…any.
In fact, you’re invited to also post them on my blog…where you won’t be banned for speaking what you think is the truth.
Further, and in the interest of the truth, you should know by now that not only is Meier’s verifiably prophetically accurate information proving to be painfully true – Ebola, the Russian military movements, etc. – but now anyone can prove the authenticity of the WCUFO photos themselves:
https://theyflyblog.com/2014/06/15/billy-meier-ufo-case-prove/
So, for those who have any doubt left about the cynical, self-serving, profit-oriented, truth-suppressing, disinformation-spreading OpenMinds outfit – and other members of the UFOCI – please contrast their endless, idiotic recycling of all UFO related, time-wasting nonsense with the realities of the day…and how Meier and the Plejaren have tried for decades to help us avoid the very ever-deepning hole that humanity has dug for ourselves.
These people not only can’t handle the truth, they are acting like deliberate enemies of it.
See also:
The Billy Meier UFO Case: No Reasonable Doubt
Billy Meier’s Ebola Epidemic Prediction
Reminded me of that movie with Jack Nicholson.
Egg-zactly.
I got your back. Let’s see if my comment is approved… I have a copy just in case….
Thanks!
Rojas is another court jester clown. Stick him in the Pseudo Pstu category.
Why, oh why do I find it difficult to disagree?
I made a comment responding to one of his comments and he came up with some nonsense why it wasn’t allowed even as I kept it civil and civilized. It is so ironic and yet just perfect that pseudo scientist pstu calls his site psuedoastronomy and Rojas calls his place openminds. In any, even giving a moment of attention to those zeros, is a moment better served doing the dishes or anything else.
Very good observation! I felt the same way with calling energy devices “zero point” since they have the nagging sound of a cetacean.
Nope, he didn’t post my remark.
I posted a comment also. I didn’t save a copy. Wish I had.
“These people not only can’t handle the truth, they are acting like deliberate enemies of it.”
“Wer nicht für und mit die Wahrheit ist, der ist wider sie.” OM 57:31*
(He/she who is not for and with the truth is against it.)
So, like it or not, s/he “IS” against it, not JUST “acting like” it.
So, as I see it, logically if one does not support and actively promote (“live”) the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth – regardless of whatever persuasive excuses one may entertain – then one is (wittingly or otherwise) effectively, in those cases, working against Creation (“Creation is the truth”). Working against Creation is a VERY bad idea as a general personal method to find real happiness and fulfilment in one’s life, as an active agent of Creation’s own spiritual/consciousness-based evolution, in which we exist to strive to realise our own untapped potentials and then strive to help others who reach out to us in honesty AND are prepared to actively grasp the outstretched helping hand.
But the central message is: “Nobody can DO it FOR you. You have to DO it yourSELF”.
And, naturally, the truth – still unimaginably ugly in Earth’s occult strongholds, but largely ineffably beautiful – can only begin to be accepted once it’s been correctly understood, and can only be correctly understood once one can become familiar with it – can learn/experience it. And, in the Earth-shatteringly important case of Billy Meier’s unprecedented literary work, that means initially READING it, and the vast majority of it is not in English. And a VERY great deal of it – being by far the most important truths, being the ENTIRETY of the correspondence-course “Geisteslehre”, AND the OM, AND the new corrected (grossly falsified) German translation of the Old Aramaic Talmud Jmmanuel) – we’re informed will NEVER be translated because it can ONLY be adequately understood by us Earthlings in its original language.
And now we’re even having trouble getting our new unofficial English translations from Vol 12 posted in a timely manner anywhere in the public arena, let alone drawn attention to.
So, after exactly a month still in the dark, I’ve brought it to light up in the cloud because it’s important and – because it’s an “Unofficial”rush-job – http://au.figu.org/ is not permitted to post it until it’s been checked and formalised by the official group, which is a process too time-consuming and demanding of lacking resources for hot news items from the Billy and the Plejaren:
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B5UahMPJ8Tc1OXQ5V1g1aTBkRFk/view?usp=sharing
It’s about a certain small, select, un-named, supranational group which runs the whole sorry planet (into the ground). Surprised? I’m not. So Billy’s “Order of Darkness” is slowly being fleshed out for us, commensurate with the slow awakening of us sleepy Earth humanoids collectively, which is the Plejaren criterion for providing us with more information as to the nature of our real rulers – the evil minions of the recently departed Bafath.
The name we know these horrible people by is no secret in English either.
After this morning’s long and difficult self-imposed stint laboriously trying to turn Billy’s book, “Die Art zu Leben”, into some sort of lesser, baby-talk, “English” (“The Way to Live”), I’m particularly sensitive to how apparently clueless the stubborn English-only mob remains, and will remain. This is why Billy says THE one most important task ahead, for anyone who is serious about not being an enemy of the truth, will be; first and foremost strive hard to learn the German language. If you find yourself feeling defensive with that axiom, don’t shoot the messenger, why don’t you publicly attack Billy’s simple logic?
So, to those of us familiar with Billy’s books, people who still can’t read the actual words of the Prophet – after years of reading those “impossible” (according to the Plejaren linguists) British-English/Figuish translations of merely about 3% – 5% of it – look an awful lot like people who – deep down inside where it counts – can’t handle the truth either, and should – like all of us – be wary of hypocrisy.
Salome.
* http://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/gaiaguys/figuforum.htm
Thanks Dyson. If there is anything you can and/or care to share with us about any/all of that please do so.
I think there is a forum at FIGU that has archives on this and a lot more and thats no lost phenomenon…http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=siEFG2JWCbw
Thanks Michael.
I’m not going to say who I think the group obviously is for the same reason Billy won’t. But I will say that the it’s the nature of the translation process that we’re bound by certain rules, one of which is that, ” … Geheimbund” gets translated as “… secret society”, even though this particular censored “…” group might not – in fact probably won’t – necessarily be called that in English. But if we translators had the missing name, then we’d use the English convention for its collective noun. So what I’m saying is; don’t believe, simply from the English translation, that this group might be known in English as, literally, “the … secret society”.
(Geheimbund: Geheim=secret, Bund=band/union/alliance, etc.)
But I think the semi-secret official “religion” (if anyone can seriously call it that!), of these semi-secret “Order of Darkness” types, is the underlying problem, in the same way that the scriptures and dogma that constitute any religion represents the pumping fuel-line to the Bafath’s historical and current world fires. (Think: “Islamic State”)
Incidentally, somewhere within Billy’s vast unindexed works, he mentions the obvious fact that our current global anti-Islam religious horror represents a continuation of the Christian Crusades.
But language – plain old simple words – is a MAJOR source of human misunderstanding, IMO. Especially English*. Even more especially when German is translated into it.
For instance, yesterday, Australia’s punchy psychopath Prime Minister, Tony Abbott, publicly asserted that the Islamic State is a “sectarian” “cult” that’s “got nothing whatsoever to do with religion”. If that doesn’t seem insane, look up the meanings of “sect” and “cult”. (I.S. recently stressed that theirs’ is a religious war, not to be represented by the West as a war simply to capture territory.)
Peace.
Dyson
* http://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/gaiaguys/meierv5p50-52.htm
P.S. Thanks, guys, for all the welcome feedback, but I’m not planning to try to resurrect my provocative presence here, for previously stated reasons, nor am I going to try to answer more questions (which only prompt more), other than to say that, from my view, some of you are obviously quite correct and some of you obviously have no idea what you’re taking about, particularly about language and the nature of Billy’s true teaching, which is what logic would demand under the circumstances.
But – as briefly as I can:
– Billy and the Plejaren are so very keen to have us all learn German because (among many many other reasons) they know that you can’t just take any translation (or anything else, for that matter) on FAITH. But FIGU’s “Official” translators can at least be trusted not to deliberately falsify in a effort to mislead. Wendelle Stevens’ initial “translations” (and Gene Andrade’s “Star Wisdom”, and ALL the other English crap spawned by those Christianized early transliterations/translations) are horribly misleading (religiously slanted) and should be avoided for the same reason that you avoid the Bible if you want to know about Jmmanuel. But of course all my remonstrating falls on ears deaf to German.
– The info about the TJ was referred to here:
http://www.figu.org/ch/verein/periodika/bulletin/2011/nr-75/figu-special-bulletin-no-58
http://au.figu.org/TJ_talk.html
– Here’s how I strive to find out what’s true: http://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/gaiaguys/meier.truth.htm
– I NEVER lose sight of this: http://theyfly.com/concealment-vs-lies-0
Hi Dyson,
My take on FIGU is they encourage everyone to learn German so, as you say, people do not take things on “faith” from someone else’s translation. This is just another example of self-responsibility. There is no disagreement with that. That said, most people can probably agree that it is nearly impossible to get things done if “nothing” is taken on faith in life (as you added “or anything else, for that matter). Look at everything surrounding you, objects and people alike, if absolutely no “faith” was advanced without testing and validation personally, what would your life be like. The key is discernment and open-mindedness, I think. The moment one has a “challenge” to one’s “belief,” be open-minded enough to look into it and adjust course (toward the path of truth), if possible.
And thanks for that “concealment” article again. What do you think of BM’s answer in a recent previous QTB round about “lies?”
By the way, you’re translation work is greatly appreciated by yours truly.
I think there’s a difference between faith and trust. We have evidence to trust certain things but faith usually applies to that which is, for good reason, not actually trusted but hoped and prayed for, i.e. religious matters, etc.
Michael,
In the example given under discussion, I am unable to see the line between “faith” and “trust” drawn by Dyson.
Without the initial information from Wendell, I would probably have taken much longer to arrive at the current point of understanding. It took “faith” of Wendell’s character integrity and “trust” of his investigative methods for yours truly to arrive at the genuineness of this case. This does not mean I do not see the flaws in the translation work by Wendell’s team and be open to correction.
In that case I would saw that Wendelle’s record as a military man, etc., would show that he was more trustworthy than faith worthy.
For some reason I have never liked the military when growing up. 🙂
Then probably neither faith nor trust!
Hi Dyson,
Just curious from the way you describe the translation process … care to give an estimate of how much of your productive time is spent translating the BEAM materials? I’m assuming you work to earn a living as well, and perhaps have a family to tend to also. Or, do you translate only with your recreational/discretionary time? It would be helpful to understand it in hours or %.
Good to hear from you Dyson.
So, as you mentioned, the name of the organization is not given in the contact, yet you then went on to imply that you know the name. Do you know the name because Billy stated it in a later contact, or you think you know who he is talking about from your other research?
If you do know the name, I am sure we are all curious to hear it… ya big teaser.
It’s in Revelation too, but you have to “know” Greek boss. I can’t cross the Rubicon for you with that one, or is it Euphrates?
伝令
So since the Talmud of Jmmanuel has been “grossly falsified”, which I’m thinking the English version. Who falsified it? And why? Because I’ve already read the 4th Edition the one with the scroll as the cover. Let me know if I’m getting your words misconstrued. It will be a long while before I learn German hopefully I can get to that real soon, I would like to know that the books (E-Books) I currently have in English translated from Billy’s German writings aren’t grossly incorrect.
I would think that the essential information is entirely correct, even if some nuances of the original language are not translated perfectly. What is important is the information that is conveyed, which speaks for itself, no matter which language it is written in!
Dyson,
I don’t get your kind of insulting approach to people that were raised in an English speaking household much less an English speaking country that never had any experience with the German language or interest before stumbling onto Meier’s work. I’m sure learning German doesn’t happen overnight and for the English speakers that are interested in the case like myself have to work with the information we have at this point. I don’t think everyone is just going to drop everything and learn German we might not understand the information in its entirety, but an “enemy”? Come on now. I sense a little “you don’t know God until you read the whole Bible” feeling from your words….
I think some of you guys tend to get a little over emotional when it comes to Meier and his work. Yes its important, but scorning others for not dropping their entire lives to learn German isn’t going to get the truth out there.
FYI Billy Meier speaks a dialect of German in his interviews, which isn’t correct high German at all, but is Swiss-German, Schwietzerduetsch. This dialect doesn’t use correct German grammar and has its own vocabulary, which differs greatly from the German being spoken in grammar schools in Germany proper.
No, only in some interviews. In others he speaks very precise high German.
Michael,
Does Meier write in High German also? I’ve used a translation program online to try translating some of the German contact notes into English, but some of the words weren’t translatable. Is that just because of the difference between the languages or how Meier speaks?
Yes, everything that gets published for broad readership in the books, articles, etc., is in high German to the best of my knowledge.
Here’s my (obvious) guess for the ‘secret’ society mentioned in Dyson & Vivienne’s translation.
http://www.bilderbergmeetings.org/index.html
Bruce,
Right. The folks meeting here are perhaps another possibility: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bohemian_Grove
I suppose it doesn’t matter that much… Would be kinda interesting to have a face and a name to this “Order of Darkness” though…
Well, I don’t think there is a name above all names per se or a secret of secrets. Though I could quote what revelation has mentioned here:
http://www.newadvent.org/bible/rev009.htm
14 It said to the sixth angel, as he stood there with his trumpet, Release the four angels who are imprisoned by the great river, the river Euphrates.
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Imprisoned or bound at or on the river depending on the translation. Whatever it is but all it says is 4 angles are bound to the Euphrates. Seems clear cut. Let’s quote two passages from Revelation 17:
http://www.newadvent.org/bible/rev017.htm
1 And now one of the angels that bear the seven cups came and spoke to me. Come with me, he said, and I will shew thee how judgement is pronounced on the great harlot, that sits by the meeting-place of many rivers.
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15 Then he told me, These waters in thy vision, at whose meeting the harlot sits enthroned, are all her peoples, nations, and languages.
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So clearly the River means something else in Revelation 9 seeing the clear cut nature in chapter 17 describing the River.
But this is all Greek to me, an expression from Shakespear’s Iu-lious Caesar:
http://idioms.thefreedictionary.com/It%27s+all+Greek+to+me
Skulls and bones.
OTO
Church of Satan.
Freemasonry.
Thule society.
The order of the golden dawn.
Scientology.
P52
David Rockefeller
Jacob Rothschild.
Soros.
Brezinski
Kissinger.
Schlesinger
Russell.
Brown.
Warburg.
Walker.
Bush.
Harriman.
Du Pont.
Sax Coburg.
Astor.
Morgan.
Bronfman.
Bechtel.
Boeing
But to name but a few.
Yes, but WHAT is the One Ring to rule them all, One Ring to find them,
One Ring to bring them all and in the darkness bind them?
Since I constantly failing to see the obvious I end up having just to constantly quote things so please pardon my wall of text as is customary of my quoted posts.
Why would Billy title the following “Warning to all the governments of Europe!”?
http://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/Warning_to_all_the_governments_of_Europe!
40. And it will be that even before the time of the Third Millennium, and indeed in 1993, a political and commercial European dictator will arise that will be called the “European Union” and, in evil, will carry the number 666, as through this the citizens of all member countries will finally be brought under total control through biometric data in identification devices and in the form of small data chips in the head or body inserted in a “biometric identification system” that would be overseen and controlled through a “central data bank” whereby finally the whereabouts of every human can be exactly determined to the meter. First the USA and later the European Union will introduce this modern human enslavement, thereafter, then other countries will also follow, all preceding the Swiss, whereby, through this process, the personal and national citizens’ human rights will be drastically trimmed, which fundamentally will be originally already planned at the construction of the European Union, whereby the citizen is finally deemed fully incapable of managing his own affairs, and should be governed only by the authorities, without having a right to a say regarding certain government things and decisions.
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http://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/Contact_Report_213
Billy:
What is actually with the beast 666, which functions in a form of prophecy as an evil dictatorship, which should come from Belgium? Was ergibt sich eigentlich mit dem Tier 666, das in einer Form der Prophezeiung als böse Diktatur fungiert, die von Belgien ausgehen soll?
Quetzal: Quetzal:
74. With this old-customary prophesied beast, which will bear the number of evil and negativity, it concerns in the coming time the so-called “European Union,” shortly called the EU
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http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/eu-
< Greek, combining form of eús good (adj.) or eú, eû (neuter, used as adv.) well
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Phratry:
http://books.google.com/books?id=ZU-nBAAAQBAJ&pg=PA206&lpg=PA206&dq=phrate+greek+meaning&source=bl&ots=Y1t7nvtZpV&sig=cnXHPyoNxoA21XQJDhB5X_0C5-s&hl=en&sa=X&ei=DpQ4VPSlCM6ZyAT0qYH4BQ&ved=0CCkQ6AEwAQ#v=onepage&q=phrate%20greek%20meaning&f=false
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Then comes the whopper by Semjase:
http://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/Contact_Report_045
138. The number 666 points fully to one of the Earth humans, but at the same time also to an extraterrestrial, and to the work of both.
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143. The name is already long known in Kabalistic circles, as well as the name of the extraterrestrial and his work.
144. Indeed, but the Kabalists attempt, since 2000 years ago, to falsify the numerical values of the letters, because they do not want to acknowledge the truth.
145. The numerical value of 666 corresponds to the the German language values of God, Church, Christ and Jesus.
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If I may take some creative liberty from the UFAILO folks for a brief second. Who is this mysterious figure? What is his nature and purpose? What sort of other worldly explanations can the Ancient Astronuts provide whose value imbeds the very language we have?
I forgot to add. Ptaah is an expert in … of all languages … in Ancient GREEK. Must be important. I’ll link his expertise with bromos:
http://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/Contact_Report_236
Hi Duke,
The number 666 is numerologically significant, but if you’re trying to draw attention to a single (same) person behind all this with the separate contacts and their statements, I do not see it.
Thanks for the contact reference on bromos.
To me, this also shows, that even if you have perfected the requisite German for translation, there are still other possible factors that prevent proper understanding of the communications.
By the way, I am not against learning German in any way for personal growth, for greater access to the BEAM materials, and for the overall improvement of the brain health. If I had the skills and availability of Dyson, Jacob, and others, I would prioritize on translating the (still incomplete) books, as I tend to think that is mainly why BEAM is here in this lifetime. 🙂
Hi Mike,
Did my comment make it anywhere here on the tread? I replied earlier but did not see the customary “waiting for approval” so I could read the message after posting.
I guess not so I might as well re-invent the wheel seeing as it went into the ether. Thanks anyway Mike.
Rob,
That is the quintessential point in that I’m not trying to make anyone see anything. I’m not typing on this blog to do someone elses’ homework and also why I merely always cite my sources of where I got it even copying and pasting at length the parts necessary. I’m also here not to take credit because, as I will quote shortly, I’m not looking for fame or promotion as much as Earth Humanity seeks tokens, gifts, and praises for stuff they never did. Just like the UFO field goes about like thieves swindling regular people and further themselves as enemies of the TRUTH because most of Earth Humanity is like a germinating seed that cannot find soil.
I’m not trying to use Euphemisms, or bring up some sort of tantric-Euphoria, or even trying to pass the words along as some form of Eucharist. However, there is significance to language and the MIGHT of THOUGHTS surrounding such language that I don’t think Dyson could yell loud enough that it could be heard through the halls of the mountain kings. So that is why, EU, in Greek, is an important point of relevance. Let’s re-invest the language a bit :
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/eu-
word-forming element in modern use meaning “good, well,” from comb. form of Greek eus “good,” eu “well” (adv.), also “luckily, happily,” from PIE *(e)su- “good” (cf. Sanskrit su- “good,” Avestan hu- “good”).
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Good LUCK! Who could blame lady luck or the bearded man that comes every year to bring presents and gifts? IN FACT, Earth Humanity uses luck constantly all the time with a lot of memorable phrases that we use paper with lucky colors and symbols as a means of exchanging … luck with one another (which is what people ultimately trade with). Good luck be with you. Luck bless us. Good Lux bless you. Luck was with this person. Luck resides here. Luck resides there. This is the place where Good Luck happens. ETC.
But, what does luck have to do with it? And, more importantly, where is luck taking us? Let’s quote Billy shall we:
http://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/Where_are_you_going_humanity%3F
Quo vadis humanitas?
You have lived your life which was granted for the solving of life’s tasks, yet not in the sense of the creational-natural laws and commandments.
You have shamefully trampled, and thrown into the dirt, true love, life’s goodness and all the laws of Creation and its nature, while the generosity which is anchored within it sadly accepts your diabolical deeds and again and again always gives you one last chance for you to indeed, still, with time, remember true love and loyalty and find your way back to the creational-natural laws.
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There it is, time and time again, the Prophets words through out the ages trying to tell Earth Humanity that no matter how many good luck charms, tokens, chants, idols, hymns, prayers, etc. they surround themselves with it, they cannot escape the inevitable result that they will lose the lottery. And, Earth Humanity’s greatest lucky charm happens to be … drum roll … none other than the Sun? And, the undying luck I might add like gambling addiction that built most civilizations on this planet … possibly.
Time and time again when people try to find meaning in life they get their luck tested by other folks that can’t wait to share their luck in life by priding oneself about their gifts whether seen or unseen, or re-seen, or failed to be seen. You can see the luck just ooze with certain individuals that appear to have been struck by the HOLY light (luck) that they gave up their normal mundane life of an average Earth Human just to risk their life and limb to provide whatever lucky message came across your hearing ears. Well, some folks it might have been mundane like a housewife raising 3 children (goats have kids) but others, like Mr. Greer, gave up the life saving position of a Doctor in an ER Ward as he elaborates in his books about why he was chosen, what light shines from him, and how he can fight against the other unbelievers that are ruining the planet by having people seek out their luck with him trying to communicate with aliens, whose sole goal with that is based on some form of Sirian Good Luck not surprisingly. Of course, if Greer isn’t to your liking, we also have the magical nonsense from David Icke whose light shines so much his hand is permanently stuck providing good luck with people to all who shake his hands just like the Good Luck Greek statues of old, or hand gestures from Marilyn Monrue or Adolf Hitler, fighting the unsavory characters that seem to shape shift every other sentence.
Is there no wonder why those conspiracy minded folks seemingly fail to read the Meier material that gets to the core of the issue because it would ruin the gravy train that luck have it which has provided them? Is there no wonder why Billy calls these pretenders of the Truth “Zeroes”? Is there no wonder why when luck has it that these folks get into a leading position they milk it becoming the very opposite of what they set out to do? It’s not joke the road to Hell is paved with good intentions, because most people can’t wait to take advantage of Earth Humanity whose ears they have once they realize by the stroke of luck what they have found.
Now, Rob, I cannot associate directly what Semjase has dropped mainly because I cannot quote the source directly and logical arguments aren’t the self-proof, self-realization, self-understanding that you are looking for. I just hope what I quoted above helps in some way.
But before I go, let’s have one more go with the Greek Language shall we?
http://www.studylight.org/lexicons/greek/gwview.cgi?n=1439
http://www.studylight.org/lexicons/greek/gwview.cgi?n=5584
Interesting language, one for the Gedanken.
666
Satanic
Jehovah
Luciferian
Devil
Cultic
Ideas are the one ring that binds and controls them all courtesy of GI, Bafath and the Creator overlords and the benefactors and of course the Plejaren
Hi Duke,
There is no doubt of the significance of what you mentioned, including language.
I was just curious if there were any other relationships beside the common denominator numeric 666 that was mentioned.
Perhaps you and I differ in that I do not see it as “someone else’s homework.” I believe everyone is gifted in their respective areas of life, and part of the “love one’s neighbor” has to do with offering help to “one’s neighbor,” virtual or physical matters not. However, if revealing certain information can create a situation of real harm to oneself or others, whether the information is correctly understood or misunderstood, then the topic would perhaps be best discussed off-line one-on-one, as I have indicated before.
Rob
Hi Rob,
It’s not just a numerical value. It’s a name, number, and mark. So you have to see it from all angles. To quote The Meier material:
http://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/Contact_Report_045
[Semjase] 141. The value of the number 666 also does not point to the essential person and the thoughts and acts of this already long passed away Earth human, rather on the delusional figure which was made out of him and who governs the Earth as a religious cult figure.
142. It is this that is the absolute evil and unreal, the annihilating and destroying, namely the lie and un-truth, the anti-logos.
[Billy] That is very well described, yet you can just name the name.
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Very well described. Revelation does some of the leg work, though I won’t say this is what Semjase is implying given that I am quoting outside the Meier material next.
Revelation 9:11 [nice number!]
http://www.newadvent.org/bible/rev009.htm
11 their king was the angel of the abyss, whose name in Hebrew is Abaddon, in Greek Apollyon, that is, in Latin, the Exterminator.[1]
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You can easily cut and paste the Greek words on the left hand side and dump it into a Greek word translater. So you can read it as Apollyon or Abbadon the Destroyer. Sometimes the English there doesn’t match up with the Greek words, surprise surprise.
Any way, Who is Apollo whose name is dedicated to a certain rocket program we sent to the moon?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apollo
Probably the most critical line in that wiki page is as follows:
The conventions of this representation, head tilted, lips slightly parted, large-eyed, curling hair cut in locks grazing the neck, were developed in the 3rd century BCE to depict Alexander the Great.[187] Some time after this mosaic was executed, the earliest depictions of Christ would also be beardless and haloed.
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Wait, Alexander the Great AND Christ?!
One more:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Helios
See the pictures and whose head Helious is supposed to be? And, we do know Alexander the Great has long since been … dead. And we do know one inspiring individual in Egypt, Ptolomy Soter, took this man’s skull and bones back to him in the year 322 BC following the Roman calendar.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/322_BC
Stranger tales have been told before! Like a certain music group called Iron Maiden that spoke these lines pretty interestingly in a song titled “Alexander the Great”:
http://www.lyricsfreak.com/i/iron+maiden/alexander+the+great_20068056.html
Helonism he spread far and wide
The Macedonian learned mind
Their culture was a western way of life
He paved the way for Christianity
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Up in Irons in more ways than one!
So one has to ask, where is Alex Jones, Jordan Maxwell, David Icke, Graham Hancock, Jeff Rense, Von Dannikan, Tsukalokous, and all the other ill-luminating conspiracy fail-ien minds that went about day in and day out ever approach the words from the Meier material or even the “Christian” book of Revelation on the above subject matter? David Icke has painted himself naked in a book with rays coming out of his head like he is the second coming Christ, or Helius.
To end the subject on language, here is a few more tidbits:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sigma
Sigma is the only letter in the Greek Language that is represented three times in different ways. If you see the chart on the right linked you will see it and in large print clearly one of them is a small 6 which is particular with a ‘s’ noises it makes.
Also, “H” is Chi in the Greek alphabet denoted as “X”.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chi_%28letter%29
Chi or X is often used to abbreviate the name Christ, as in the holiday Christmas (Xmas). When fused within a single typespace with the Greek letter Rho, it is called the labarum and used to represent the person of Jesus Christ.
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X marks the spot.
Mendacious is right.
Duke,
That’s very interesting. Thanks for taking the time to write that. I’m not done with my research on it yet to form an opinion.
Did you find the info about the number of years our calendar is off by? Is 2014 more “meaningful” now with that information? 🙂
Hi Rob,
I’m not done either for research! I don’t mean to drone on, unless I actually find somewhere where it’s mention but the Meier material translations have been a help even if they aren’t super accurate. It did help that I do make an attempt to make some effort to translate German particularly if the English stands out in a funny manner (frequently does or as Dyson I recall says Figu-ese).
Though, there are some uncanny things that appear to occur again and again such as a crown with horns on it, either just two like on some coins depicted certain folks, or shooting out like rays of light. I guess whether you’re wearing a crown of light or just a goat heat, it looks like it’s conveying the same thing.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colossus_of_Rhodes
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colossus_of_Nero
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nec_pluribus_impar
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Statue_of_Liberty#mediaviewer/File:Statue_of_Liberty_frontal_2.jpg
See the Statue holding the book and how it is using its middle and “ring” finger but aren’t using it in the Hindu or Rocker way. Here are some other subtle ones that never seem to get picked up by the lame-stream conspiracy folks stuck on half-truths then complete lies and mis-direction.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philomena
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marilyn_Monroe#mediaviewer/File:Marilyn_Monroe_in_Gentlemen_Prefer_Blondes_trailer.jpg
Or the Apollo salute with its hands cut off making an interesting gesture:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apollo#mediaviewer/File:Apollo_west_pediment_Olympia_copy_MFA_Munich.jpg
As Billy says (which I translate slightly differently but I will use what’s there) in CR 212:
http://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/Contact_Report_212
Billy: Then comes the prophetic book: finally, Revelation closes the whole Bible. Person, use what you read to the blessing, not to the curse.
Quetzal: 24. Truly remarkable.
Billy: What I particularly like about it is the conclusion. If only people would maintain their thoughts and feelings in this manner and then act accordingly. But for the majority of humanity, this seems to be a hurdle that will still need thousands of years to be mastered.
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Then there is stuff from the Meier material I really don’t have an equivalent German source attached to. In fact, I’m not quite sure how only the English version appears in some cases and the German that should be linked to the English is missing. But, in English, they raise some interesting suspicions.
http://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/And_there_shall_be_peace_on_earth…
However, according to statements of the Pleiadian/Plejaren, Nero was not the bloodthirsty and pyromaniacal monster that history apparently ascribes him to have been. On the contrary, he was a’ victim of treacherous intrigues and devious attacks. Nero died through his own hand several years later.
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We must live in interesting times!
Also, if you note in that last link that the Peace Symbol that there is no “circle” surrounding the like you do with the modern day one that is pointed upside down in a circle. I would advocate to stick with that particular version linked without a ring around it.
Though, I was really hoping to actually know who the mystery person is. Unfortunately, even in CR 251 we’re left without an answer:
http://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/Contact_Report_251#Contact_Report_251_Translation
Billy Too bad. So the Earth is without an Jshwjsh now.
Ptaah That is not quite correct, for there still exist descendants of old “gods” who will make themselves heard. But I am only allowed to report about it to you confidentially, if you are interested.
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Descendents of the old “gods”?
The riddle is, would you consider these descendents as extra-terrestrials or an Earth Humans? Do they have their own Beam ships or occasionally interact with people? Puts a lot of questions into the P’s past answers regarding some craft being ‘terrestrial’ in nature and not extra-terrestrial! It is also why I’m not quick to judge 6 fingers on a console as “extra-terrestrial” or just willy-nilly throw that title around unlike some people that only provide for either-or.
Duke,
Did something happen to that link that you referenced with the Peace Symbol without the circle? It shows there is no content on that page….
Interesting you mentioned Nero, one of Cayce’s readings identified (in passing) who he reincarnated into in Cayce’s lifetime….
Rob,
Not sure as I don’t own the page. It’s not the first time I mentioned something via link and the online source flips off briefly shortly after.
Speaking of Cacye, the P’s have went at length to describe “Fluidal Forces” that provides for some interesting perspectives on things relating to certain occurrences. A snip from CR 448:
http://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/Contact_Report_448
Billy
(Question regarding the UFOs that were observed in Wila, Zurich/CH and Pfäffikon, Zurich/CH)… do you know anything about that?
Ptaah
No, I know nothing about that. In any case, those were none of our aircraft because ours are protected from every perspective, even from all advanced technical and fluidal, i.e. fine-material, vibrational-tracking capabilities, both in relation to those that are terrestrial as well as those that are foreign to the Earth.
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“and fluidal, i.e. fine-material, vibrational-tracking capabilities, both in relation to those that are terrestrial” … what a way to word things! IN ancient language you could link any representation of water as fluid being a literal description of such forces and re-construct it as an “abyss”. Ancient aliens folks like Tsukalocust thinks it’s actually … fish people.
But anyway, sapphire crystal apparently can hold some form of fluidal thoughts which describe some interesting interactions in CR 236:
http://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/Contact_Report_236
As CR 251 explains historically how such things have transpired have interesting worded thus as follows:
http://www.theyfly.com/Contact_251.html
Truthfully, in doing so, the benefactors very soon became the antithesis of benefactors. On one hand they hoped to make the genetically-manipulated people their subjects and that, on the other, many cults, religions, fratricide, family feuds and wars would be launched through this worship of gods, whereby the terrestrials, the genetically-manipulated people, would decimate and exterminate themselves. As a consequence, they, the gods, respectively former benefactors, hoped they would be free from the danger of the aggressive, barbaric terrestrial human life form. This plan went completely awry, however, because terrestrial Man, who had become increasingly stronger, smarter, more barbarian and underhanded, began to enjoy his role and defended it to the last drop of blood with every conceivable means, ancient and modern. Consequently, the genetically-manipulated population, now the inhabitants of Earth, totally slipped from the control of their former benefactors, respectively the gods, who, in turn, withdrew from the terrestrial human beings and from Earth — but not before swearing revenge and demanding satisfaction in the future from the human population on Earth.
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So there you have it. “Benefactors”, which were the Sirians as stated in 251, is merely another way of saying “well” “doing”. http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/benefactor?s=t
So it’s no wonder why the King of the gods in Heaven is literally the “good/well/lucky” god, that literally as EUS in it like Z-EUS or D-EUS, that never let Earth Humanity forget what he has done for his children as he is the God of Good and free gifts (until he demands something in return then becomes the D-EVIL). The literal is literal alright and literally part of our language.
So it’s a battle of “Good and Evil” which happens to be … the same thing. The Sirian overlords had literally become doing both good and evil to Earth Humanity. It’s no wonder the religiously minded Earth Humanity mimics … the same thing (doing both). And, the translator (Heidi Peters?) there chose some careful words which I do like to repeat here:
“benefactors very soon became the antithesis of benefactors.” There it is again … the same thing. Being both the benefactor and the antithesis of benefactors! Being both … the same thing.
It’s no wonder why the P’s mention Neutral-positive thinking and have stuck to it time and time again in the Meier material. Anyone who thinks they don’t should read what the material is providing them and have ears to hear. They don’t claim to be benefactors and Earth Humanity seeking benefactors both terrestrial and extra-terrestrial have a real problem they will not realize because they don’t know where they are literally going (into the ground). It’s also why I don’t take the “good intentions” of Steven Greer who refuses to acknowledge the Meier material to his own detriment and lucky to have someone like Dyson. Quo vadis humanitas?!
To quote Revelation: 13:13 (which foretells the UFO phenomenon AND the GREAT deception by the horned individual)
http://www.newadvent.org/bible/rev013.htm
13 Such wonders could it accomplish, that it brought down fire, before men’s eyes, from heaven to earth; 14 and by these wonders, which it was enabled to do in its master’s presence, it deluded the inhabitants of the world, bidding those who dwell in it set up an image to that beast which was smitten with the sword, and lived.[2] 15 Further, it was able to put life into that beast’s image, so that even the beast’s image uttered speech; and if anyone refused to worship the image of the beast, it had him put to death. 16 All alike, little and great, rich and poor, free men and slaves, must receive a mark from him on their right hands, or on their foreheads, 17 and none might buy or sell, unless he carried this mark, which was the beast’s name, or the number that stands for his name. 18 Here is room for discernment; let the reader, if he has the skill, cast up the sum of the figures in the beast’s name, after our human fashion, and the number will be six hundred and sixty-six.[3]
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It’s no wonder the P’s have done what they have done regarding the world wide UFO controversy, and what the Prophets have done so 7 times already.
These posts really need to be shortened. I suggest giving a few words and then the links.
Hi Mike,
Noted. So I will end this part as I think I posted enough sufficient material for other folks if they are interested to ponder over and come to better conclusions. Might of Thoughts is very important and can’t wait for the official translation given how interesting the subject of fluidal forces is.
I just reminded myself of CR 486 and it clearly separates the P’s with their clear, non-luminescent ships in stable flight in contrast to the long awaited fire from heaven, or disco lights in the sky, folks seem to overly be fixated with (to their own ruin).
http://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/Contact_Report_486
Thank you Mike for all of your help!
Matt,
There is a neat phrase that gets uses again and again and it has to do with two specific Greek words, mainly the first and last words, the alpha and omega.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alpha
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Omega
Now the idea of doing one’s will or do do as one wishes is summarized from these two letters as, pronounced as AHO (ah’-o) or AXO if you replace the H with the GREEK representation of X.
Now we can cite a few Greek words here:
Clearly uses Alpha and O-mega which can be seen with the citation so there is no misunderstanding with O-micron. Oh we’re going there, oh oh.
http://www.studylight.org/lexicons/greek/gwview.cgi?n=1439
& a more physical meaning here just to provide a perspective and note the other meaning and usage:
http://www.studylight.org/lexicons/greek/gwview.cgi?n=5584
Then we can see some ancient rites and we can see how the Latin’s took a Greek ceremony and made it into their “Io Saturnalia”, also celebrating Sol Invictus’ birthday on December 25. Since IO also looks like 10, you could use some imagination and just call it X-Saturnalia:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saturnalia
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Io_%28mythology%29
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Europa_%28mythology%29
Notice all the artworks the eerily represented to Helius and Alexander the Great with 4 horses as also plainly referenced in the Greek book of Revelation with 4 angels and 4 horsemen … of the Apocalypse. So, HO HO HO done three times is a good/happy/lucky saying on this day is to represent the joy and free gifts given because it’s the birthday of the Son of Man and his pater is happy to fly around with reindeer and give gifts to people while not entering through the front door.
So, it’s no wonder folks will try to encapsulate this good luck of alpha-omega as a means to have unending pursuit of happiness. Happiness, of course, in GREEK is EU-daimonia. This encapsulation is usually reference any sort of way 3 times for good luck, 3 times for good measure, and 3 times for rabbits (but not for theatrical performances apparently):
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eudaimonia
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rabbit_rabbit_rabbit
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theatrical_superstitions
So you could derive some good luck was placed in the design of the Seal of the US of A:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Seal_of_the_United_States
So you can see clearly the cut-off pyramid makes an outline of an “A” just like the capital text letter I used is showing as I type the letter. On the other side of the seal you have X made by the Eagle clearly being done by the body language with a “O” on top and looks like O-Mega if you also read the 13-letter spread, “E Pluribus Unum,” on the ribbon held in the eagle’s beak which means “Out of Many, One.”
Who is the ONE?! Well, it’s said so for good luck on the very same seal as AO or AXO or AHO.
What does the Book of Revelation Claim this to be? Let’s quote shall we Revelation 22:13 {another 13, ho ho ho}
http://www.newadvent.org/bible/rev022.htm
13 I am Alpha, I am Omega, I am before all, I am at the end of all, the beginning of all things and their end. 14 Blessed are those who wash their garments in the blood of the Lamb; so they will have access to the tree which gives life, and find their way through the gates into the city.[5] 15 No room there for prowling dogs, for sorcerers and wantons and murderers and idolaters, for anyone who loves falsehood and lives in it. 16 I, Jesus, have sent my angel to give you the assurance of this in your churches; I, the root, I, the offspring of David’s race, I, the bright star that brings in the day. 17 The Spirit and my bride bid me come; let everyone who hears this read out say, Come. Come, you who are thirsty, take, you who will, the water of life; it is my free gift.
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There’s your free gift!!!
Though I would like to end this segment quoting the very much error prone, messed up Book of Enoch that was clearly left out and has “Apoc” status. Some enterprising individual put up a unique wording of the translation I will quote from here which happens to prove why it was removed as it clearly is not linking Jmmanuel to Jesus but rather someone else:
http://www.johnpratt.com/items/docs/enoch.html#Enoch_41
Enoch Chapter 46
Enoch 46:1 There I beheld the Ancient of days, whose head was like white wool, and with him another, whose countenance resembled that of man. His countenance was full of grace, like that of one of the holy angels. Then I inquired of one of the angels, who went with me, and who showed me every secret thing, concerning this Son of man; who he was; whence he was and why he accompanied the Ancient of days.
Enoch 46:2 He answered and said to me, This is the Son of man, to whom righteousness belongs; with whom righteousness has dwelt; and who will reveal all the treasures of that which is concealed: for the Lord of spirits has chosen him; and his portion has surpassed all before the Lord of spirits in everlasting uprightness.
Enoch 46:3 This Son of man, whom you behold, shall raise up kings and the mighty from their dwelling places, and the powerful from their thrones; shall loosen the bridles of the powerful, and break in pieces the teeth of sinners.
Enoch 46:4 He shall hurl kings from their thrones and their dominions; because they will not exalt and praise him, nor humble themselves before him, by whom their kingdoms were granted to them. The countenance likewise of the mighty shall He cast down, filling them with confusion. Darkness shall be their habitation, and worms shall be their bed; nor from that their bed shall they hope to be again raised, because they exalted not the name of the Lord of spirits.
Enoch 46:5 They shall condemn the stars of heaven, shall lift up their hands against the Most High, shall tread upon and inhabit the earth, exhibiting all their acts of iniquity, even their works of iniquity. Their strength shall be in their riches, and their faith in the gods whom they have formed with their own hands. They shall deny the name of the Lord of spirits, and shall expel him from the temples, in which they assemble;
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“This is why Billy says THE one most important task ahead, for anyone who is serious about not being an enemy of the truth, will be; first and foremost strive hard to learn the German language.”
I wonder if Billy will say it exactly the same if asked, or a little differently. Words do reflect thoughts.
I do not think that for most of the people, knowing who belongs to the “Dark Order”, will bring any good. They will be even more angry and frightened (without knowing it even) and that energy will be accumulated in the body. Those emotions will drive them further away from the Creational. Having confirmation from Billy and Friends, that there is a bunch of morons set on running everybody like a herd of sheep, is good enough in my opinion. But that also should be disregarded. Deliberating over it is useless as it takes time and energy away from actual work we should be doing with ourselves. Just on this blog there is some much information posted on WHO is doing what to US, how THEY are set to finish US off by… (fill in). What good that brings? Nothing but distraction.
Why dip down we cannot handle the truth? Simple – FEAR and all thoughts, believes connected with it. A lot of people are focused on watching news, listening to the likes of Alex Jones, Jeff Rense and others “truth bringers”. Just a few years ago I was one of those people, but I realized one day, that it was stupid of me. Unrecognized FEAR inside of me, was making me crave that information. I could hardly prove any of it and by giving my attention to it, I was EXPANDING that FEAR which originated the desire to “find out” in the first place. It was a catch 22.
Instead of wasting time on anything we cannot prove, why not remove ALL that garbage from inside, which always limits us? Why not let UNLIMITED in us work its wonders for the good of all?
I agree, that if we do not align our desires with the Reality, then we work against it. But I disagree that only Billy’s material will get us there. In my opinion, books and publications written by Billie and people connected with FIGU, are the best logical and “scientific” take on spiritual matters. But works available in English, of people that experienced self-realization, like Nisargaddata Maharaj (I am That – amazing book), Lester Levenson (Sedona Method – a tool to remove what is limited in us), Eckhart Tolle, Jiddy Krishnamurti, could be a valuable tool that would speed up anyones process of understanding and eliminating what is LIMITED in him/her. Learning German, and then reading all the books may take years of very hard work. Not a lot of people have the guts and perseverance to accomplish it. With current economical, environmental and political woes, a lot of people are not able to give required ATTENTION to Spiritual Teachings, and instead of learning, they just accumulate the knowledge, which is about the TRUTH, but improperly taken, works against the TRUTH. Accumulation is enlarging EGOISM. We replace set of religious, philosophical, scientific believes with spiritual ones. What good that brings ? Almost zero.
They’re there to provide a side story or show and generally obfuscate any sort of real meaning of things pertaining to the subject matter in question. Any one that takes spiritual, historical, mythological, or other such advice from folks like AEM, JR, or DI need to take a time out and look things up themselves (or just watch the hand gestures those folks do which spell out which club they follow). If they come close to the truth in any sort of manner why wouldn’t they receive the same treatment as Billy, i.e. the large amount of attempts on his life?
Then when they see the crack in the armor, they can start asking tough questions themselves. After all, I seriously doubt anyone could access the Grove like Mr. Jones’ time told tale gave where in the lion’s den he magically evaded sentries and everyone else there was oblivious to an obvious ‘stranger’ in their midst. Stranger tales have been told before. The man is being “helped” just like Mr. Greer is who has some fascination with folks pretending to be ye old gads, naming one of his documentaries with such a prestigious title, until one of them pops out a gadfly.
OF COURSE, if anyone read the Meier material they would find out something that makes some interesting connections.
http://www.theyfly.com/gaia/meierv1p490-492.htm
To be informed is to be forearmed
He didn’t post mine either.
We just have to accept the reality that we’re living in a world where stupid people exist that have no problem being stupid or just can’t realize their stupidity.
Obviously those in the secret societies only believe it to be a secret, however a true secret is a mystery of the universe and its no mystery to me that human beings live in outer space on other planets and a lot of them know more than any Earth being except for a few people living here in the present time, like for an example Eduard Meier the guardian of the treasure/truth and herald of the new times / Age of Aquarius.
Perhaps the ETs are studying us because they find us to be very mysterious and secretive creatures. .. . . and want to learn more about us?
One of my biggest gripes is the inaccessibility of the material in other languages, and this is something we should all work together on, to make more progress. If overpopulation is so terrible and our number one global problem, FIGU should strive to make teachings available in Mandarin and Hindi and Spanish, if they haven’t already. I made a paypal donation to Benjamin Stevens a while back, (even though I hardly have any money), just as a token of appreciation, because he’s translated lots of the contact reports. He downplayed his work, but it is IMMENSELY important, and we are on the front lines here pushing into the future. He said they have contracted him to work on more translations, but things move slowly.
I do speak basic German, but the Geisteslehre has such grosse Worte, und Ich can nicht so viel verstehenl! So I’m working on it. I also want to go visit there, but feel that I should wait until my German is better, since other people who went to visit said they wished their German was better.
From my guess, maybe only two-thirds of the contact reports are available in English. However, for the average beginner, I think there is plenty of free material in English, such as more than half of the contact reports, the Talmud of Jmmanuel, the books Michael sells on this site, the Goblet of the Truth, and other articles. I don’t agree that German is so amazing and all the other languages of the world are crap compared to it. If German is 100%, then people can still learn a hell of a lot, I would say at least 90-95% of the message in any other language. That’s certainly better than people knowing 0% of what Billy is teaching because they can’t speak German. I wish they would make the Age of Aquarius archive easier to access too. People on this site are advanced students, and are chomping at the bit to get more. Something we should try and help FIGU out with, and they should cooperate with us as well. Why don’t we get 49 of us and try to form a virtual FIGU USA, or have some kind of google hangout or Skype session once a month, or once a quarter? Or maybe share our books with each other. I want more, but don’t want to pay $300 for a book on Ebay. I don’t know, it just sees like they put up road blocks to the information, such as making people pay in Swiss Francs. If it were up to me, I would put everything Amazon, get the books printed for a fraction of the cost, and sell 100 or 1000 times more books than FIGU. What about a campaign to get some of the books picked up by all of the libraries in America? If all this happens, then maybe it will only be 798 years until everyone catches on. 🙂
Greg, I totally agree with your viewpoint! I dare not say more, because I might get banned from this site!
Carolyn,
You won’t be excomunnifiactified because I haven’t as yet received my costume from the Vacuositican. You’re safe here for some time to come.
Next time I come to Chicago I’ll bring along a pair of angel-wings and a halo for you, for your next video-interview!
Is it Chicago where you’re at these days, or New York?
I dn’t imagine you’re spending very much time on the west coast. . . . lol. . . . the ground might start shaking. . . . .
Neither, actually. Though I have to keep my actual location secret lest I be swarmed by adoring fans.
Curious why 49? The unmistakeable numerology connection is there but it can’t be simply that the Core Group is 49 and you feel others should imitate FIGU Switzerland just because … ? 🙂 At the present, I suspect it would be hard to come up with the virtual 49 people in the USA who embrace the spirit of the mission like the CG49 … which is essential in holding a cohesive group for any significant duration of time. If memory serves, it only takes two dedicated passive members to form a FIGU group outside of Switzerland….
Hello Greg. CreationalTruth.org is working toward the virtual group online. monthly Meetings, German classes and peace meditations.
Hi Michael I was wondering who actually gives these people such as Alejandro Rojas the authority to say that this is a hoax or that is a hoax? Or be empowered to say what ever even though he is mistaken on the Meier subject? I think just cause you got “street cred” on being MUFON Rep or Open Minds writer does not empower a person to make judgement calls on any UFO subject or Meier case and be able to provide “expert” advice and prove that it is a fake. The links I just viewed with the “photoshopped” images of the computer generated UFO’s to discredit the Meier photos is downright embarrassing and laughable http://www.openminds.tv/beamships-busted/12363.
Yes Jeff, you sure aren’t kidding about Michael Schratt’s assessment as being laughable. It doesn’t prove anything, as anyone could take the photos and photoshop them just like that schRATT did. But it’s what he didn’t say. Schratt is well known for identifying UFO craft as being military industrial complex craft. You’ll notice he doesn’t even try to say that. Which means he knows for sure that they aren’t military industrial complex craft – which says a lot without saying anything. Michael Schratt Busted!
I think that the name “Open Minds” doesn’t quite fit here. Quite the opposite in fact.
Everyone’s comments that didn’t get posted, please post them here. I’m now banned too and must have got the same form letter from Alejandro as everyone else did. All because we dared say the name that the Ashtards cannot bare.
Thanks for the heads up Dyson, that the Ashtar Sheran group continues to wreak havoc. I can’t say I’m shocked considering that Wilbert B. Smith the head of Project Magnet shared all his information with his American counterparts at Project Bluebook. The blind leading the blind or in this case the telehypnotics leading the telehypnotics. Understandably they obviously don’t know the difference between truth and lies. Should I hold Alejandro’s little tiny hand and walk him through it?
Ashtards! Oh LOL very funny Sheila! That might make even Quetzal smile (and I hear that he’s being a very dour sort these days. . . . . )
Hiya, Sheila,
You wrote: “Thanks for the heads up Dyson, that the Ashtar Sheran group continues to wreak havoc.”
HUH? No I didn’t. That webpage contains a translation of one dialogue that occurred 40 years ago and you missed the happy updates:
“ASHTAR SHERAN – Is the pseudonym for the extraterrestrial leader Aruseak. He was the cousin of the last boss of the Giza Intelligences Kamagol II, who was striving for world domination. Ashtar Sheran was active on earth in a negative and criminal way, on behalf of Kamagol II and his followers, up to the year 1937. Sometime in 1983, Ashtar Sheran and his followers were killed during a failed attack against the Timars (Asket’s planetary nation from our neighboring DAL Universe.) Following the natural laws of Creation, those who died in the DAL Universe will have to incarnate there. Since Ashtar Sheran’s physical body is dead, and his spirit form exists in the DAL Universe, no telepathic or otherwise communication can take place with him or those who exist in the DERN-universe.”
http://www.theyfly.com/gaia/meierv1p490-492.htm
Cheers!
Hiya to you too Dyson, sorry for my confusion. I didn’t mean to put those words in your mouth. Yes I am aware of all that. But in contact report 563 it explains how Wilbert B. Smith was an Ashtar contactee. The same Wilbert B. Smith who started Project Magnet and shared all his information with his American counterparts at Project Bluebook. Talk about starting projects based on false information. Fast forward to now and you’ll see that MUFON and rest of the UFO industry form all their opinions based on information from Project Bluebook. Even though Ashtar is gone, his disinformation still remains.
For sure the Bilderbergs are part and parcel of the whole control freak realm. One only has to look at the names of the attendees to see how controlled we are. Bankers, insurance, politicians, media, military all have their greasy little fingers in the pie. I understand the gag order (I have one on me too but it pertains to personal matters where my brother was trying to steal the inheritance and I signed a gag order saying I can’t talk about it lol. Weird that he just got diagnosed with cancer – caused by leading a parasitic life). But I do understand the spotlight is on you and you are being watched as to what you say. The Five Eyes are above the law. And I will continue to speak out against those freemasons and their weird ass rituals. Damn goat effers. My friend’s boyfriend was approached to join their local chapter of freemasons because they are all dying out (good news) and need new blood. Well they do need blood for their rituals and apparently the shriner hospitals aren’t providing enough. He didn’t go for it but should have because he’s a real piece of sh!t so he would fit right in.
You either know what billy and friends are saying is true or you do not. It really is just that simple. Trying to convince others that cannot see the value in what has been offered to us. Is a waste of time. We have very little time left, before the real show begins. Im thinking that at this point, it would be important to start to plant some seeds for the future. Because for us elders we have been to late to help. It is now up to the coming generations to start fixing the crap we have created. I wish them the best of all creation can deliver to them. As for the rest of us, we still can do something. We can start by passing the truth on and make them aware of how things can change. Not follow in the footsteps of the dark foretold. The truth will come out, a little late for some of us, just in time for rest. Salome, Robert.
Hello, Dyson,
I am not agreeing with you Dyson how you react towards, what you call, the “clueless, stubborn English-only” mob.
A person is not against the truth if he / she is not striving hard to learn the German language, everybody has his / her right to follow his / her path towards the truth, and its not up to you or me or anyone who is capable of reading and writing the German language to bully anyone into learning the German language.
Its up to them (the English only speakers) to decide if they want to do that or not, its an consciousness-related evolutionary process, and when they understand that there is vastly more information in the remaining spiritual teaching in the German books and writings and in the exclusively German spirit-lesson course (I estimate 95% more), then they will understand and accept that learning German is a relatively minor hurdle to overcome since the ‘reward’ will be full access to all what is published as the spiritual teaching.
However you can’t force people and you can’t insult them by calling them hypocrites.
Think of Genesis; page 92: verse 114-115
114. Achte deiner Mitmenschen, der Tiere und der Pflanzen, und suche in ihnen nach dem Ehrwürdigen.
115. Kritisiere und tadle deine Mitmenschen nicht in erniedrigender Form, sondern in der Form der Ausgeglichenheit, so du ihnen ihre Fehler klarlegst in ehrlicher Liebe und Achtung, um nur feststellend, weisend und helfend zu sein.
ROUGH English translation:
114. Respect your fellow human being, the animals and the plants, and look out for the venerable in them.
115. Do not criticize and rebuke your fellow human being in a degrading form, but in a form of equalisedness, so you clearly explain their error in honest love and esteem, to be only realizing, guiding and helping.
And this; Genesis: page 100: verse 179 – 180
177. Das Grundgebot der Regel zur Erlangung der Ausgeglichenheit des Gemüts ankert darin, dass du in Ehrfurcht alles Ehrwürdige achtest, was besagt, dass du Ehrfurcht e m pf i n d e n musst.
178. Daraus resultiert, dass du all dein Denken, Sprechen und Handeln so einrichtest, dass du niemals in den freien Willensentschluss (Zielsetzung, Ziel, Bestimmung) irgendeiner Lebensform eingreifst.
179. Immer musst du darauf bedacht sein, nur belehrend, jedoch niemals zwingend zu sein.
180. So also hast du dies auch für dich selbst zu halten; nie darfst du dir einen Willen durch Zwang bilden, sondern einzig und allein durch Belehrung.
ROUGH English translation:
177. The ground rule to obtain the equalisedness of the Gemüt (counterpart of the Psyche in the spirit-form), lies in that you in deference, heed all that is venerable, which says, that you must perceive deference.
178. From this results, that you have to organize all your thinking, speaking and acting in such a way, so you never regulate the free volition (culmination-point determination, culmination-point, determination) of no matter which lifeform.
179. You should always be mindful to only instruct, however never be forceful.
180. So you also have to do this for yourself; never should a will be formed by force (Zwang), but solely by instruction.
In an ideal world, everyone who would come in contact with the spiritual teaching and FIGU, would start learning German, however, this is not the case, there are many reasons why this is not happening, and we need to make the best of this in the framework of what the natural-creative laws and recommendations allow us to do about this.
We can only instruct and explain and its up to the people themselves to make the decision to take the hurdle or not, we need to respect their decision, because its THEIR decision to make and not ours (those who read/write/speak German).
I am not a real fan of the translation into English, because it is a very inadequate language to work with and very frustrating to explain the true meaning, however I have rather this then many people go without the spiritual teaching at all.
My 2cts
Jacob
Thats very well put Jacob,
with work commitments a family to support leaving me a couple of hours a night to enjoy this blog and study the meier info it would be virtually impossible for me personally to learn german such a high standard needed, maybe when iam retired if we are all around by then! Iam affraid dysons left me feeling a tad alienated no pun intended.
Thanks, Jacob.
IMO, as different individuals with very different experiential insights, the different ways we all interpret the practical applications of the vast treasury of the original texts and our gentlemanly/gentlewomanly disagreements about how it should be understood, represent a great strength for learning – a nascent manifestation of Gaia’s (“Terra’s”) true “we-form” and, according to Billy, the prime reason we humans have language, which sets us apart from the rest of the animals, and allows us to verbally communicate (share) complex spiritual ideas, as you know.
I don’t pretend for a moment – far from it! – to embody some sort of shining personal exemplar of the Teaching of the Truth/Life/Spirit. I’m just a battered old Earth barbarian who only first discovered Billy 12 years ago when I was already 52, and we had to teach ourselves German before we could even read it, let alone translate it. I’m still doing all I can under increasingly difficult personal circumstances due to the endlessly continuing decade+ of defamation/religious-vilification litigation against us, and our stifling damn gag orders, which silence the self-same inconvenient truth now starting to even emerge in detail in the corporate press and in another new book by the corporate publishers. So the sand is now quickly running thorough the hour glass for these Great Lies, and I feel very optimistic, but I wasn’t born yesterday .
I only ask that I be judged by my “fruit” (work), not my “leaves” (words).
Worte sind wie Blätter, Taten aber wie Früchte. OM 32:2414
(Words are like leaves; acts are like fruit.)
Salome,
Dyson
Fruits are meant to nourish and seeds are meant to be planted.
You have done both Dyson.
While I hesitate to suggest the following for the very reasons BEAM stated about idolization, until one has better control of one’s own thoughts, it may help to always think in terms of:
— How would Billy himself respond in the same situation.
before reacting to a comment/remark/discussion/topic. Even this will take some practice … but it may be helpful to some.
I have some random thoughts. To me, spirituality transcends language and the most spiritual experiences I have occur when unaware of the separate “I” and of the language used to describe this realm (the spiritual) and experiences when connecting to the great spirit that connects us all. As Krishnamurti said (I think), paraphrasing, the word is not the thing. Expounding, the word often obscures the thing and experiencing its true nature insofar as it is possible on this plane. For me, spirituality transcends language. Despite saying this, your argument about the superiority of German for this particular man’s spiritual understandings and teachings, you do quote scripture. Do you speak or read Hebrew and a little Aramaic? I am not being sarcastic but can you see that reading the Septuagent/Torah in the original Hebrew might give you an entirely different experience than reading it after its been translated into Greek then German, or directly into German? Verbal language is subjective (as opposed to mathematical language which is much less subjective). Each of us has a sensation when we think of heat, cold, archaic, weepy, steeped, pick any word. How can we know the same transcendent feeling exists for all people uttering or reading a word, even if they are contemporaries and are reading the exact same text? There are people who know nothing of Billy Meier and nothing of German yet have strong spiritual (not religious) centers and seem to be antennae for the transcendent nature of spiritual concepts. Truth is in the heart in my opinion, not in the syllables. Yes, I am sure something, perhaps a lot, is lost in the translation of BM’s work into English. However, I don’t think that the barometer of understanding spiritual concepts lies in a particular language. In fact, sometimes I think language gets in the way. How can we even define love, let alone try to help another experience the sensation through words. A person unsighted since birth perhaps has an entirely different experience of red than someone who is sighted. One of the salient points I took away from Alan Watt’s The Wisdom of Insecurity is the phenomenon of limitation through naming. By naming something or defining specific characteristics about its nature one moves from a realm of infinite possibilities to a very finite definition, which can filter out a lot of information about the “thing.” This is not intended to be sarcastic, disrespectful or flippant – just to examine another facet of the relationship between language and experience, and hopefully to convey that ultimate transcendence perhaps does not or cannot lie in just words, no matter how articulately stated or insightfully interpreted. This is just my .02 worth. Thank you.
Hi,
In terms of the Meier material, we would probably substitute the words “consciousness related” for what you are calling “spiritual”. According to Meier’s information, it will be some time, evolutionarily speaking, before we are actually consciously connecting to what is spiritual.
Also, please use your first and last name when posting.
Thanks.