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The Billy Meier UFO contacts singularly authentic ongoing for 80 years the key to our future survival

Racing Down the UFO Road to Nowhere

The real price of the cover-up of the Billy Meier case will be paid by humankind for a very long time to come, which bothers the shills and hucksters not one bit

In my presentations and interviews I’ve been emphasizing the very overlooked fact that the confirmed existence of extraterrestrial life forms would be the single most important discovery in all of human history…exceeded only by contact between them and a person on Earth.

Nonetheless, the UFO field is filled with one unsubstantiated claim after another from people popping out of the woodwork in an attempt to reap some kind of bounty from the delusional, distracting, disinformation rich circus.

To the Rescue

Yet another “UFO investigator” has popped up to proclaim how he’s gonna follow, find and reveal the truth no matter what – and also help anyone else who has real, verifiable evidence and information to get it out there too.

Right. Meet self-proclaimed “UFO Road Warrior”, Jeremy Corbell*, a nice fellow I’m sure who thinks he’s just discovered the equivalent of sliced bread. Worse yet is that it appears that some veterans of the UFOCI are encouraging him to take his kindergarten approach to UFOs very seriously.

George Knapp, a veteran TV reporter who’s done tons of pieces on UFOs – and who interviewed both Wendelle Stevens and me extensively so that he knows the Meier case is singularly authentic – seems to be a driving force behind Jeremy’s rather naïve but slick venture.

I emailed Jeremy to introduce the Meier case and myself to him but got no response, despite his gushy, “If you can prove or document compelling evidence in support of your story, I will amplify your case to the public, and help you expose the truth.”

I tried again a couple of days later, with a more in-your-face approach. Still nothing. So I don’t know if he’s sitting around in shocked silence now that he knows his whole approach is rather banal and irrelevant, or simply doesn’t care because he’s created a nifty persona that he wants to capitalize on.

You may wonder just why Knapp and some of the other people associated with this thing are out there pushing it. Familiar as I am with the cynical, deceptive, disinforming idiocy from the UFOCI, I find it even more troubling now that we’re so undeniably deep in exactly what Meier and the Plejaren have been warning about for decades. Whatever the perceived profit, the real price of the cover-up of the Meier case will be paid by humankind for a very long time to come, which bothers the shills and hucksters not one bit.

How It Works

Jacobus recently posted this on the blog, which helps to explain some of how this essentially suicidal process of manipulation works:

“The secretive GCHQ and JTRIG training manual which was leaked via Glenn Greenwald and Ed Snowden says:

‘Among the core self-identified purposes of JTRIG are two tactics: (1) to inject all sorts of false material onto the internet in order to destroy the reputation of its targets; and (2) to use social sciences and other techniques to manipulate online discourse and activism to generate outcomes it considers desirable.’

According to these latest documents, there are paid government agent/contractor persons on social media posing as someone they are not, whilst on the payroll of the government. Their job is to befriend members of the alternative media, embed themselves in the ebb and flow of day-to-day communications, and then to engage in elaborate subterfuge – by any means necessary. The training exercise uses terms like ‘befriend’, ‘infiltrate’, ‘mask/mimic’, ‘ruse’, ‘set-up’, ‘disrupt’, ‘create cognitive stress’, ‘use deception’, ‘ruin business relationships’, and ‘post negative information on appropriate forums’ – all of which is not only illegal and morally bankrupt, but also runs completely contrary to the very fundamental ‘values’ and indeed founding principles, of a modern free democratic society or constitutional republic.”

When Orphans Beg the Court for Mercy

If one wants to see a glaring example of en masse participation in such stuff, take a look here. You may notice that this thread started in 2009 with negative comments about the Meier case, me, etc., setting the tone. I started posting there a month ago to respond to a challenge by someone named John Razimus who’s been busy defaming the case, Meier and me for years. This particular coward kept up his attacks, claiming that he’d substantiate them and debate me anytime…while steadfastly running like a scared rat. (Radio host Dr. J just agreed to host that debate later in August…no word from Razimus yet.)

While the thread is filled with one anonymous loser and shill after another, it’s noteworthy to point out that “astroguy” is none other than the cowardly, long defeated, pseudo-scientist…Stuart Robbins. He apparently feels at home as a skeptic and debunker on the forum of Art Bell, who for the most part has been the champion of promoting all things paranormal, UFO, alien and pseudo-scientific. (Robbins is predictably not only cowardly in trying to attack from this blog, shunning any direct debate with me but he also exudes a seething jealousy that his go nowhere blog doesn’t get a fraction of the interest and participation as this one. Whose fault is that?)

In case you don’t have the interest or stomach for perusing page after page of attacks in this cesspool, another quaint aspect of the way it works – and I imagine it would be true on any thread there where anyone would present facts to counter the vicious attacks – is the way the snarling dogs take exception to being “insulted”, e.g. “You have time to insult but not enough time to answer questions.”, “All you seem to do is pout and insult us.”, “Lashing out with personal attacks, etc., etc.”

This reminds me of another joke. A man is being tried for killing his parents and in his own defense he pleads the court to spare his life because…he’s now an orphan.

Enter the Law of Causality

These particular orphans who shamelessly slash and stab, while paradoxically being so filled with shame they dare not mention their own names, who fancy themselves wizards, can only hide behind the curtain for so long before it’s pulled back by that dependable equalizer, the Law of Causality. Whether paid shills or simply empty, self-loathing, envious, misanthropic losers, they too are as Meier says, smiths of their own destiny. As Meier also points out, one cause can have many…effects. To say more would be superfluous.

Paying the Piper

The subject of UFOs, extraterrestrials, etc., has been deliberately and effectively marginalized into a tabloid topic through the efforts of the intelligence agencies and their willing paid and unpaid shills in the UFOCI, as well as the media. While the original purpose wast to hide any evidence of the existence of actual extraterrestrial life forms, the Meier case soon became the main reason for the UFO cover-up. There is nothing left of things like the crash at Roswell, which while authentic can’t any longer be proved, as is the case with other crashes.

The government can’t be forced to reveal what doesn’t exist, what it may not even know, etc. So of course the various “disclosure” events, hearings and other variations on the farce likewise serve the disinformation agenda. And the most willing disseminators of all of the disinformation and distraction are associated with the UFOCI, a fertile field for those looking for a safe haven with the least scientific standards for credible “research” of any subject imaginable. No doubt this too is deliberate, or at the very least a possibly unforeseen “benefit” of letting every lunatic and their claims have more than equal exposure than is accorded the only authentic, still ongoing UFO contact case.

As stated, the real cost of this is anything but insignificant and fictional. An ever-growing portion of the world’s population is being turned into techno toy toting dummies who can’t conduct a coherent conversation with another human being, who willingly give up their own identities as well as conscience and consciousness for momentary celebrity, while at the same time anonymously eviscerating anyone who reminds them of their own unbearable and empty worthlessness.

Through their willing complicity they have helped to assure the fulfillment of the long foretold prophecies, the specific, pointed, non-allegorical warnings of the man made environmental destruction, the wars, terrorism and devastation that could have largely been averted had not humanity willingly descended into greed motivated, religiously and politically fueled, degeneracy and denial.

How’s about all that, UFO Road Warrior, chaser of lights in the sky, imaginary aliens and a quick buck?

 

NOTE: My Canadian trip was a success. I ended up doing three presentations at ACE instead of one, because of audience demand (two were standing room only) and a presentation at the Lillian Smith Library in Toronto. I did four interviews as well and hopefully they’ll be posted soon, including the one in a car where I was partially asleep.

 

*It’s possible that circumstances prevented him from responding, so I gladly await correction of any inaccuracies, etc., should Jeremy care to clarify them.

 

 

 

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Philip Brandel

Amazing that people can be so quick to disrespect things so in tune with everything humanity should be striving for. No matter whom the information is from…. it should be seen with respect for what it entails! As it seems to be the case, over at arts place, most are more than happy jumping of the cliff of speculation and preconceived notions of things beneficial to not just the self, but to all of humanity.
Great work as always Michael for pushing a little common sense in with the cliff jumpers. Seems even Moshe is being attacked there and he is as usual, without due logic, spewing his own twisted version of the real truth of Billy Meiers contacts with humans from the depths of the cosmos.

Philip Brandel

I read that…. One was going after him even though he is an opponent. Shows how little thought and knowledge is going into their stances, as well as to that of moshe, mahigitam, Mahesh? It seems that call name is familiar? Maybe it is just me but thought that one was also Mahesh’s? Oh well, the age of anonymous cowards…. changing their name and ‘call sign’ in a flash. Out of 11 pages there are only a small few whom are verifiable…. as being whom they are:) Been silently reading it all here and there. Quite the mental masturbation as one could only imagine. Got to keep trucking and can sometimes be hard enough keeping ones own house in order, let alone dealing with these knuckle heads.

Melissa B

Mahesh should be ashamed of himself, but that would require integrity in the first place. It takes a special kind of ignorance to not see the big picture with the Meier case.

The Judas-lineage Matthew

In my view it is just a matter of character-weakness. Any psychopathic person like them is on a tipping-point which they must be careful not to fall over on the wrong side, lest they become a host for one of the antilogos-forms. If certain things happen in their life that lead to a destruction of their psyche, then they are lost. Hence the incomprehensible transformation – they are gone, their egos shrivelled up in a corner and being whipped by a sadistic “demon”. While the Christian doctrines of demonic possession are full of hypocrisy, etc, I do find the general metaphor to be quite apt – that is pretty much exactly what happens, only that instead of a “fallen angel” it is an alter-ego in the subconscious.

Daniel Zumon

Hello Michael, About what your talking about here, How would you feel about a new website, would you support it? that dealt exclusively with the higher intellectual evidence alone, no material evidence whatsoever. So we have your website pro material evidence, Mahesh’s website, also material evidence based. And this other proposed website, for the more discerning intellectual that has to be fair already identified the prophet of their own volition, it just allows people to credit themselves, and think about it for a moment.

Me and Rob managed to agree in some non-material way on the other page, where we agreed that knowledge does not necessarily lead to wisdom, but that we should be compassionate, because we referencing reality and therefore peoples lives, and what they work hard for etc.

Nicolas

Aaah finally our dear Mahesh shows his true face and goals… I was wondering how long it would take… If you look at his homepage you only see, either articles about the pictures of Billy where they are “supppsedly dismanteled” or interviews with you Michael,… strangely no other articles from other supporters or articles in German with corroborations that are supporting the case… even though he understands Erman to some extend because he is also spooking around on the German FIGU forum sometimes….. 🙂
Lets see what his good conscious will do to him and his Psysche with time,… Such hypochrite creatures always punish themselves by their acts…
Salome

Dyson Devine

Mahigitam wrote to me asking me to bequeath all of my Meier-related library to him, as just had our late friend Jim Deardorff, shortly before he died.

I politely declined. (And I’m a generation younger than Jim was.)

I haven’t been following the subsequent soap opera, but initially I applauded Mahesh for apparently making a sincere effort to try to “get to the very bottom” of things. But I tried to warn him of the arcane and alien (to us) Plejaren methodology of “semi-plausible deniablity”.

http://tjresearch.info/denial.htm

And how the wise Plejarens’ unearthly cleverness and attention to detail – if nothing else! – proves to me (anyway) that “they aren’t from around here”, to use Marcel Vogel’s tactful expression. I also (quixotically) tried to tell him that unless Billy’s work is read (and very little has been translated) and compared to our planet’s existing material, most of the logical material evidence he sought was going to forever elude him, exactly as designed to by the Plejaren, who are nothing if not protective of our fragile and deluded psyches.

That’s how it works. Make customised beamships which look like childish fakes made from household objects, and pose for photographs of them in such a way that for 34 years they look like toys (see WCUFO), and only with a great personal striving for the truth can these photographs start to look like what they actually are. It’s the same with all their stuff, not just the photos. They are a lot smarter than us Earthlings, OK? Get over it. Be grateful.

So all those ca. 99.999999999% who can’t/don’t/won’t do it, (who Billy calls “the living dead”) can continue, albeit unpeacefully, to their cold graves believing the appallingly dangerous nonsense that they believed all their miserable, materialistic, egoistic “lives”.

http://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/gaiaguys/Meier.puzzlesolution.htm

But when Mahesh started promoting “The Essence of the Notes” by hypertroll Maurice Osborn (and similar toxic waste) –

http://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/gaiaguys/Meier.EssenceofNotes.htm
– and he explained to me that he wanted to be even-handed in providing both sides of the story and not favour one side over the other – you know, some truth and all the lies, all together! – I told him that I thought he was being dangerously irresponsible, and I that was the last I ever heard of him.

But, like Mahesh, I also condemn the dogmatism of so many unknowing Meier “students”, who are happy to burn at the stake any heretic who dares question the holy sacred scriptures (which they cannot read). This is 100% religion, and the polar opposite of the way of the truth which is “knowing” through logical scrutiny and deduction.

http://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/gaiaguys/meier.sdw142.DerfalscheWeg.htm

And this translation I made a year ago, from Florena (on Jan 2010), about the inappropriateness of the current responses to the fools seems to have gone un-noticed:

12. Thereto, according to Ptaah and Quetzal and from all of us who work together with them and discuss all necessary things with them, I now should advise that you and the Core Group members and passive members, as well as Michael Horn and others, in no further way ought to involve yourselves in any controversy in said form.
13. Also, in the correspondence as well as on the FIGU forums and with journalists and visitors, and so forth, the whole thing ought not to be gone into, and thus no questions relevant to controversy or other questions which are directed at calling the truth into question, are to be answered any more.
14. For the longest time, in the same way that evidence of the truth of our collective contacts has already been provided by many witnesses, as has the genuineness of your photos made ​of our beamships and various materials, which were given by Genesis III in the USA, to renowned scientific experts and institutions for scientific investigation and analysis and which proved that all the material corresponds to genuineness and that no counterfeits whatsoever are presented.
15. Also, the investigations on the sites and locations where the photos, and so forth, were made showed that all your data correspond to the truth and that no deception whatsoever is present.
16. This must finally be accepted. However, after all the evidence provided and after a time of more than 30 years, whoever – in regard to the presentation of evidence – still cannot accept this, is poor and paranoid in regard to intelligence and rationality.
17. Therefore, neither you, [Billy] nor other members or friends and acquaintances, ought to react to further discriminatory machinations and questions, rather declare that the evidence of the genuineness and truth in regard to the contacts and photos, as well as other materials, is sufficiently provided, consequently it is nonsensical to still continue to talk about it.”

http://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/Contact_Report_486

Which is – I guess – why I do read so much nonsense about all this. The Spanish language blog-commentators have currently found BEAM on RT (Russia) and refer their fellow dupes to wonderfully funny Youtube videos which mix all the real photos in with all the goofy models made by all the goofy model-makers. This shows the desperation with which the doomed powers-that-be attempt to hide the truth, but they only hide it now from people so useless to the truth that they need to be protected from it.

Salome.

Nicolas

Hi Dyson,

… indeed at the beginning I was hoping that something good came from the whole thing and also thought that his homepage was a good idea….. Unfortunately through working together and a “hinters Licht führen” from his part, made me take my distances from him….

It is good indeed to have a healthy distance to everyhing…. also to the so called “Meier Material”…. but it is no shame in being a supporter of Billy, in the contrary… Better support good values and good ethical teachings, no matter from whom it comes from, than supporting many rubbish being written on the internet and elswhere in the fields of esoterics, homeopathy etc….. Yes I am a FIGU member but it is pathetic (not saying that to you, but general speaking 😉 ) to judge someone just upon this knowledge, because I am also a member of other associations and I have absolutely no problem with someone being Christian, Moslem, Hindu, Buddhist etc… Those who know me personnaly know that…

So that you all understand my thinking correctly, a small story: My grandmother was made prisoner, then put into a concentration camp by the Nazis because she faught for the allies as a “spy”, because she passed information to the brittish, but was betrayed by a good friend, survived the German concentration camp at Bergen Belsen and had children and grand children, of which she took care with enormous strength and compassion and this was not for the reason that they would/will ruin the world anew…. She was a strong woman and would turn around in her grave seeing all the nonsense happening now in geopolitics (she died a few years ago) Because honestly, at the moment we are heading in the wrong direction…. I hate all dogmatisme and idealisme, but what I hate more is not fighting for the right values of life and therefore one should rather support Billys and the Plejarens ideas, not by blindly preaching them and burning all the other “heretics” but with good educational methods, by leaving the free will to choose to everyone, instead of working against them and slandering Billy… thats all I wanted to say on this blog….

One of my old articles: http://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/Education_-_or_what_is_it_and_why_is_it_only_associated_with_children%3F

Salome

Rob

Amen.

[Truly] 🙂

Daniel Zumon

Hello Nicolas, did you ever see that film called ‘Oblivion’ with tom cruise, the script writers and directors were working with some very special ideas with that particular film. The sense of space and possibility, freedom and liberty of the paradigm was very refreshing, I dont usually recommend films but given the specifics you have mentioned probably a nice experience to have if you have not already.

Dyson Devine

Dear Nicolas,

I agree, of course.

Thanks for that, and thanks also for all your good work over the years as a fellow “shameless” Meier-supporter/promoter. 🙂

Cheers!

Andy

Dyson,

…Except for the fact that Meier shot down Deardorrf’s plausible deniability hypothesis in a Questions to Billy Meier Answered. He also went on a rant in a CR about how the physical evidence is sufficiently strong that all the scientists should be able to get on board. Your apologies for Meier/Plejaren directly contradict their own position.

Please also see my comments for you below, thanks.

Dyson Devine

Dear Andy,

You write, “Your apologies [sic. “apologetics”?] for Meier/Plejaren directly contradict their own [superficial] position.”

Yes. That was my point.

Salome.

Melissa B

I know Philip, they have zero common sense over there. It’s a cesspool of stupidity and the funny part is watching them scurry around like cock roaches when someone says something that’s not part of their drivel.

Philip Brandel

You got it Melissa and it is interesting that within the information(as far as I have seen) there seems to be some discrepancy ‘over time’ about what is the right path in sharing this information with our fellow lost creatures, as futile as it may sometimes seem. As all things change with time! Yet, for those of us whom have lived in this world, with the truth as our guide, it is one visible to anyone looking for it…. beyond pictures and words of the future or past. Maybe in a way, how I came to see this as authentic was within the world I was living in, which mirrored what was bouncing around within me.
And though I may not speak German and have not gone to Switzerland, this is our world and it is plainly visible to anyone willing to look at it neutrally, beyond mere words. Even for us slack jawed English speakers:)

Jacobus

As you say “The J.I,M.” and i quote from your previous comment:

“crafty subhumans in the sheep-dog positions”

ok right, do I really need to elaborate on this one? Probably not. I will leave it to the imagination, which doesn’t require a lot. It just highlights the point that was made earlier about these pesky little grey peckers and their scaly cheerleaders.

The church uses exactly the same tactics to spread fear and panic about the devil. Honestly, how stupid must you be to think that someone on this blog is gonna believe that? I would say dangerously stupid, because genes like that, should not propagate. . so do us, the world and the universe a favour and don’t sire offspring. That would be much appreciated. We already have enough ignoramuses walking around on this planet as it is, thank you very much!

The Judas-lineage Matthew

Schizophrenic psychopaths are hardly a fear-mongering figment.

The Judas-lineage Matthew

Maybe you need to re-read my posts. I am not talking about aliens or the like. I am talking about people with severe psychopathy and schizophrenia that are under the influence of collective subconscious impulses that APPEAR “demonic”.

The Judas-lineage Matthew

There are many mysteries yet unsolved about this, but it is a fact that such schizophrenic psychopaths are capable of for the conscious mind impossibly detailed consideration of symbolism, coordination of attacks and responses, and other hive-like behaviour, especially if they are member of a religious cult. This is a development on the natural psychological phenomenon of mimicry, the “copycat-effect” (see: Loren Coleman), but in this type of person the conscious filters are so eliminated that there is a kind of telepathy and extraordinary symbolic communication. Take Son of Sam killer David Berkowitz, for example. A lot of what is interpreted as being the work of cults or secret societies does not even require an actual cult or organization but only a kind of coordinated copying and communication among this kind of mentally ill people. This is what was exploited by the Bafath in their quest for world domination, only that now the “robots” they placed in control are running haywire and the entropy of their breakdown is rapidly going downhill into chaos. I consider these people to be the biggest danger to humanity, and also that they can only be dealt with properly if this is treated as a psychological problem rather than a problem of “aliens” or even religions or secret societies per se. “Lone wolves” quite often are actually part of a larger network of copycats and similarly undead psychopathic shells of humanity.

The Judas-lineage Matthew

Why do I think this sort of person is a huge threat to humanity? In my careful observation I have concluded that certain very dangerous politicians have been this kind of psychopath. The usual type of psychopathy results in an egocentric character, but this degree and form of psychopathy results in a destruction of the ego and its usurpation by these collective “demonic” forces which have totally insane and irrational goals. Some people I am certain were or are this “undead” variety of schizophrenic psychopath: Menachem Begin, Ruhollah Khomeini, George W. Bush. People laugh at traditional wisdom whereby these sorts were called “werewolves” or “vampires”. I would not laugh.

Darcy Wade Carlile

I found in the dictionary a meaning that phrases your idea Matthew.” The use of violence and intimidation in the pursuit of political aims.” So can anyone out there guess what the word is in the dictionary?

The Judas-lineage Matthew

Derp, let me guess, terrorism? That’s a totally false definition. Terrorism means terrorizing the population with random, anxiety-provoking attacks on civilians.

Daniel Zumon

Hey you’ve made that interesting Darcy, I was sort of generally looking to see what the root of what Matthew was talking about lead to. Your both talking about the reality of the time, the current time, you know from what we learnt from the exercises in contact report 127 + 128 in combination with the FIGU forum information, about the value in words and how the current time is. I didnt want to say 666 but thats the keyword to link the many hundreds of words together.

george

I read the blog post and all I could think of was that you (MH) were blogging to a bunch of children. Sure they may have typed intellectual words but they always seem to resort to the disinformation from Meier’s case, the garbage can lid and the dinosaur pictures. Once you see any naysayers mention that, they are less likely to actually read any of the published Meier material. Very frustrating but the “open minds” that keep chasing the lights in the skies, keeps their minds closed to anything that oppose them believing that their are UFO’s.

Melissa B

They really are a fantastic example of the internet baby syndrome. None of them have any clue at all how life works and expects you to hand them everything they demand. Give me pictures, DNA, proof, proof, blah blah blah! And then you have Mahesh over there trashing Meier without doing any real research or getting on a plane to Switzerland! I don’t expect people to just accept it at face value, but I do wish they would learn how to “think” and research before they just spew out their nonsense. If this is what the future generations will look like, it’s no wonder why it will take 800 years. Most importantly, in my next life, I hope I find the truth at an early age and don’t act like these internet boomers do now.

Hopefully they will promote your movies and interviews next! =)

Dyson Devine

Hi Melissa B,

Nobody has to get a plane to Switzerland. I was last in Billy’s neighbourhood, before Semjase, in the early 70’s, during the 3 year period that I was observing what could only have been the Plejaren beamships zooming around down there on my Stuttgart search (200 mile radius) Air Traffic Control U.S. Air Force radar.

http://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/gaiaguys/radar.story.htm

Having to actually GO to Switzerland and physically bother Billy and his local workers is, according to Ptaah, a misplaced and overly-materialistic notion.

http://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/gaiaguys/meier.truth.htm

Best.

Dyson Devine

Thanks for the reminder, MH. And those conspiratorial radar operators (not us technicians!) who say, “There’s nothing on the radar!” have been caught out again and it made the corporate “news” in the UK this week.

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2015/07/14/rendlesham-forest-ufo-sighting-new-radar-evidence-could-finally-prove-it-was-real_n_7791032.html

Cheers!

Melissa B

Dyson,
Yes, thank you, I fully understand that the Plejaren and Billy recommend thinking and self-searching. My point was that you could at least make an effort of some kind before you call foul on the case. Sometimes people have to start searching somewhere materialistic before they can learn to search within themselves. To get on a plane to Switzerland(although it may be incorrect) is better than doing nothing at all. Anyways, thanks for link.
Salome!

Dyson Devine

Thanks, Melissa. But “calling foul” is what these poor pathetic folks HAVE to do INSTEAD of “making an effort” to get to the truth – in order to try to convince their false-egos that their creational personalities – which intuitively recognise the truth, since that component of us is of the Craetion/truth – are dead wrong that this is REAL, and their false egos are quite in line with “reality” about what is actually a form of religious schizophrenia.

http://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/God-delusion_and_God-delusion_Insanity

Salome.

The Judas-lineage Matthew

Yeah, probably better NOT to get on a plane to Switzerland but to stay in a safe, isolated place.

Philip Brandel

Have never been to Switzerland and at this rate never will. Yet if one is in need of going there to find the right thoughts, feelings, actions. Then I also think they should. Better than resting ones arms on the chair solely, for all to many! Our friends from the depths of the cosmos are coming here….
For me, as most likely an English speaker for this life, It seems more important to try and connect and network with fellow Americans. As our country will be pivotal in heading where we are going, seemingly and truthfuly out of control. As hard as it may be to connect the inner consciousness with that of the outer personality? Got to start somewhere! Here in Minnesota.
It is reassuring to know and more people should be privy to the fact that Michael has gone to such materialistic, as well as spiritual lengths to try and bring this out to anyone neutrally.

Andy

Dyson,

Funny thing is, Mahesh obviously has actually made a huge effort to get to the truth — and he is “calling foul” exactly because of the results of that effort. Have you read his comprehensive findings on the case?

Dyson, clearly you are bright guy. As such, I’m really curious: why do you still think the case is authentic when, as it turns out, Meier has NO verifiable scientific/prophetic ‘corroborations’ (and its not just that he didn’t usurp the scientists in time, certain CR bits are obviously retrodicted indicating conscious deception) and a large handful of the outer space photos have shown to be clearly fake…?

I don’t know what’s left anymore, save the Zahi reports. And these are a wash to me, because there are conflicting expert reports here — some say there are smoking gun indications of hoax in the photos/videos, some say there is not. Sound and metal samples are kinda in same boat.

So, it appears the evidence is partly inconclusive in one area and demonstrably BS in another area (and ‘inconclusive’ is a charitable assessment of beamship photos etc, because there are a lot of red flags, like for example the fact that there are no negatives of photos)… to me this clearly indicates Meier et al have fallen far, far short of meeting their burden of proof.

As such, why are you so sure YOU are not the one experiencing “a form of religious schizophrenia?” Its a fair question — after all, I did just see you offer a bunch of flowery words about how Meier is the most ancient and loving spirit in the UNIVERSE, how he has (again, uniquely in the ENTIRE UNIVERSE) returned from the “pure spirit realm”…

Daniel Zumon

Hey Andy, About what you said, I hear what your saying, but the universe is not simple at all, in fact incredibly complicated as you know (sure right). I may as well come clean honest a little here about the observations, there have been a few instances where individuals (mentioning no names) have in the past in an ongoing sort of way, historically, made incredibly boastful loud claims in a non-negotiatory sort of a way, and later it has transpired that in person, outside of the internet, the person was unaware of what we anyone might call basic awarenesses of the effective reality and true real development of social agreements, the signals etc, respectfully, with something similar to a special learning disability, a special difficulty of some kind form or another, with utmost respect, a diagnosed medically mental incapacity, utmost respect, but this is obviously something the internet cannot relay to the reader. Respectfully, just putting that info out there as a consideration as we exclusively use text.

Andy

MH,

Yes, thanks, was curious to hear from Dyson. Hopefully he’ll pop back up here. I have little desire to start grappling with you again, and I’m sure it is mutual. But… you mention I parrot “VERY incorrect claims about Meier’s prophetically accurate information.” I’ll just remind the reader that there is seemingly not even ONE example of a detailed prophetic/scientific corroboration where Meier verifiably published the info before occurrence/discovery…much less “hundreds” or “boatloads” of such examples.

If you want to say “ok, Meier may not have ever usurped every scientist, but there is no way he could have obtained all this info but for ET contact…he doesn’t have the relevant MMO…” well, that’s fine — you are of course free to claim that, and it may or may not be true. (I for one am not convinced that is true). But to be clear, this is a much different, much softer claim, then how you usually speak about the informational evidence.

I just wish you would be clear on which of the two positions you’re holding:

1) Meier has usurped all terrestrial scientists on dozens of occasions, and therefore he must be a contactee (or psychic, at least), or;

2) Meier has published tons of accurate info, often ONE OF THE FIRST to do so on any given detail, and — coupled with photos and other physical evidence — this must mean he is a contactee.

Do you ascribe to the factually inaccurate number one, or the wildly reaching, sloppy abductive reasoning of number two?

Daniel,

I have very little idea what you are trying to say in your 11-line sentence. You mentioned someone who has “made incredibly boastful loud claims in a non-negotiatory sort of a way.” At first I thought you were talking about our gracious blog host here, who makes incredibly grand, incredibly misleading (false) pronouncements about Meier’s “prophetic accuracy.”

But then it started looking like you were trying to imply the skeptics who have periodically posted here have some kind of “mental incapacity.” Which is unsurprising; I’ve grown accustomed to that around here. Whenever a skeptic tries to clarify certain facts of the matter about the evidence, they are thanked with repeated insults as to their intelligence or character (but, conspicuously, are given no substantive rebuttal).

The Judas-lineage Matthew

Billy has talked of our need to for harmonious communities. In studying one of the most cooperative societies, the Japanese, as I learned the Japanese language, I have come to understand this better. Division of labour and respect are a part of that. The typical one wants to be in charge of everything himself, because most people are not yet knowing of the true truth. You need to think more deeply about the more significant aspects of the teaching in order to find the definitive proof that will make you absolutely certain. The time has not yet come to reveal everything, but trust me, it destroy the entire “scientific” worldview, just as it destroys the false cult-religious ones.

The Judas-lineage Matthew

By the way, as part of my preliminary study of the spirit-teaching I have worked out the true kabbalistic codes for myself by the empirico-deductive method. Both “Andy” (filthy dog) and Mahesh (the autocratic) are names that may further worsen a psychopathic-narcissistic character.

The Judas-lineage Matthew

Previously dumb people were compelled to believe in the absolute truth of Christism due to the unmatched political might of the Vatican.
Now people of the same dumbness are compelled to believe in the absolute truth of science by its unmatched efficacy and powerful applications.
Yet both false, cultic interpretation of religion,
as well as deterministic, materialistic science are plain DELUSIONS.

Science is as much a delusion as cult-religion is a delusion.
In time true scientific experiments will destroy faith in science,
just as the revelations of material science destroyed faith in cult dogmas & heresies.

Rob

JM,

Congrats. So, what does your name mean? It wouldn’t be fair to leave that a mystery now. 😀

Looks like it might rain today, better go around with an umbrella in hand.

Moshe

Is MH allowing people to post views that differ from his own again? If so, I want in…

Matthew

Andy,
Are you a religious devotee of Mahesh? E.g., “Mahesh obviously has actually made a huge effort to get to the truth”, “Have you read his comprehensive findings on the case?”, “I don’t know what’s left anymore…” Chin up fella; there’ll be another UFO-Profit blog soon and when Mahesh (and you) run out of space picture spoilers (to merely confirm what Ptaah said in 2005 that they are “phoney” and were foisted onto Billy – congrats to Mahesh for confirming that by the way) you could both partner up and do movie blooper videos. Like, once I found a bit in Star Wars where a stormtrooper hits his head on a blast door. I never thought this was was more important than Star Wars itself though. That would be just delusional and silly.

The Judas-lineage Matthew

Rob, Matthew comes from a few different sources so it depends on the individual, but the closest are Mathyan = he that can charm and enchant and evoke “magical” responses, and Maadi = he that renews the world with truth.

The Judas-lineage Matthew

Also, “Moshe” comes from Egyptian Mose and means “master of the waters”. Levy refers to that group of Hebrews that settled in what is known as Judah and mixed with the Adamites (Judah = Jehudi = he that masters the desert). Moshe is ambiguous in value, so it depends on the individual thinking what is meant by “waters”, i.e. the waters of intelligence or the waters of lies and falsehood, resp. leviathan.

The Judas-lineage Matthew

By the way, by “Adamites” I mean those descendants of Adam that were descendants of Abram from Ur in Iraq, who formed a community in what is now central to southern Israel, somewhat like an ancient Middle Eastern “Hopiland”. The “Jews” are actually a mixture of these people and Hebrews from Egypt as well as elsewhere throughout the Mediterranean.
Léwian ≡ he that reciprocates,
Léwin ≡ he that loves wine,
Lewitas ≡ he that reproaches wrongdoing,
Lewjatán ≡ slayer of the dragon (leviathan = monster of the waters).
(Of course, given religious fanaticism, etc, this could also unfortunately just mean “agent of leviathan” as does the name Lafayette, first name of L. Ron Hubbard.)

Moshe

It’s intelligence. Definitely intelligence.

Jacobus

Georgie boy, your insults carry no credibility.. Relax, have a cup of coffee or something. There is no need to feel frustrated.

Moshe

Speaking of schizophrenics…

Just kidding, Jake. I kid because I love, but who are you talking to?!?

Dyson Devine

Regarding my earlier comments to Melissa about the skepibunkers’ egos – from The Way to Live (Billy’s “Die Art zu Leben”):

408. Many hours and moments of the unknowledge bring the human being to losing himself/herself in thoughts and feelings which are unrealistic and which are identified with the true nature of one’s own personality. But truthly, the identification occurs with the false ego which is simply accepted by the human being and is expressed outwardly and which corresponds to one’s ideas about one’s own value. And this false ego’s greatest triumph is always in making the human being believe that its interests are also those of the truthly inner personality. This self-invented false ego even goes so far as to mightfully make one think that the human consciousness – in all its thinking and acting as well as in its feelings and emotions, and so forth – is bound to the mercy of the false personality which guides into the unreal, whereby a terrible unparalleled cynicism comes to the fore, through which the false ego itself and its grasping for wrong values becomes the root of all the human being’s defeats, errors and suffering. And, in its wrong way, the false personality is decidedly convincing, and indeed such that it makes the human being anxious and causes him/her to panic when he/she tries to free himself/herself from it through logical thinking and actions. Thus the human being remains a victim of the false ego for as long as it takes him/her to summon the power to free himself/herself from it and to concede the inner truthly nature of his/her actual personality its right. But this is not easy, because the false ego always lies in wait and immediately strikes when an attempt is made to distance oneself from it or to completely disregard it. It immediately rebels and screams out that the human being would become “I”-less if he/she pushed it away and no longer accepted it. And it does not shy away from vehemently insisting that, as a result of its fading and disappearing, all the beautiful and rich material magic, which so pleasantly forms the life, would be lost. And, in fact, many a human being falls prey to this blubbering of his/her false ego and begins to have thoughts and feelings in this form: without his/her false ego, which he/she values as real, he/she is nothing more than a brainless vegetable or a creature whose life is not worth living.

Salome.

Melissa B

Hi Dyson,
Are you a spokesperson for Billy? I know I’ve seen your name somewhere before and was just curious?
Salome!

Dyson Devine

Hi Melissa B,

I suppose I’m a spokesperson for Billy in a way, since Vivienne Legg and I have been working hard to translate his work into English for several years and we’ve both written a lot of articles and so on. We had a gigantic private whistleblowers’ webdomain for a decade before we were suddenly and thoroughly crushed (imprisoned and impoverished) in 2008 by the Powers That Be. Some remnants to do with Billy remain on line in various places but I am legally forbidden to provide the facts (or even suggest or imply anything to anyone), under penalty of further long prison sentences, so my “spokespersonship” for some of the Meier material is very suppressed, in spite of the fact that even the Australian corporate press has recently started allowing some truth about our silencers to seep out.

I’ve never been a FIGU member myself, in spite of an erroneous official FIGU claim to the contrary in their publications when Vivienne signed up several years ago. She’s now the President of the FIGU Landesgruppe (National Group) Australia, Inc. (FLAU)

In the past I’ve also often tried to act as Michael’s defacto “science adviser”.

Salome.

Melissa B

Hi Dyson,
I’m sorry to hear about the suppression of information and imprisonment. Although, it doesn’t surprise me which makes it even more disturbing. I would like to say thank you for all that you do and have done to bring the truth.

Salome!

Rob

Hi Dyson,

Thanks for providing the excerpt from “The Way to Live.”

Curiously, does the book have life examples, metaphors, allegories, etc. about the ego to go along with his explanations?

Dyson Devine

Hi Rob,

I’m glad to be able to share this, after many years of being frustrated that non-German readers who read English were not able to gain access to this priceless information. Die Art zu Leben (“The Way to Live”) is a remarkably important beginner’s book, of all of Billy’s big books, and I think the title sums up why.

Yes, it’s hundreds of pages to explain about the nature of the ego (and all the other internal stuff!) using all sorts of allegories, metaphors, real-life examples, parables, aphorisms, poetic allusions, the whole bit. If you’ve read our earlier effort, “The Might of the Thoughts”, (or our Canadian co-workers’ translation, “The Psyche”) you’d be aware of Billy’s unique and very dense (even for German!) information. Each book could (should!) be studied carefully for many years. That’s one reason this one is to be more durably hard-covered.

I hope that’s addressed the questions you had.

Best. 🙂

Rob

Yes, thank you for the reply, Dyson.

I look forward to reading that when it become available. In reading line 408 you provided, it brought back a strange sensation of deja vu of what I’ve already read in Eckhart Tolle’s “The New Earth.” Specifically, the chapter on the personal ego. It’d be interesting to see what the rest of “The Way To Live” reads like.

That last sentence in the passage could sure be misunderstood if carelessly quoted.

Philip Brandel

Cant wait to read, The Way To Live!:)

Andrew

Indeed, it’s a heavy boat that we among others are sitting in, Philip.
We’ll make it eventually by the diligent paddling of the translators.

Jacobus

As you say georgy boy, and since you are the expert garbage can detector, why not start a new business? Call it, “pimp my garbage can”. Imagine the garbage can lid envy you would be spreading among the neighbours… Ca-Ching! Why not use your mad skills and talents to your advantage, right? it is almost unbelievable that only a small handful of skeptics and naysayers (like yourself), seem to know exactly how to construct these incredibly complicated objects. Clearly, you are wasting your precious time inhaling all of that electro smog.,. Go out and be productive for a change! And who knows, maybe you are the next Donald Trump in the making.

P.S. you can thank me later.

Jacobus

Dyson,

I understand where you are coming from, I have read the information regarding the myriad of different human races in the universe on the figu website and I remember the story of Asina, when she gave Billy a bit of a fright one time. The android beings from the Roswell crash I also know about. It still is mind-boggling, even after a couple of years, to think about what is waiting for us to be discovered out there in this vast universe. What I was criticizing earlier, is a direct response to the deliberate fear mongering that is running so rampant nowadays. I am quite familiar with David Ickces “work” ( if one can call it work) and his incredible devious habit of contaminating true information with the lies he weaves into the books he publishes. There people are nauseatingly devious, I know of what kind they are, I have looked into their eyes and I can see that they are afraid.. When confused psychopathic criminals in positions of power are spreading information that will mislead the masses in so many ways, you are bound to end up against an almost impenetrable wall of ignorance. One will eventually stumble over the disinformation. I have excepted that.
We are not really supposed to know the things Meier is talking about, and that is the reason why the anti-logos wanted to eradicate him before he could do the damage to their already fragile system of beliefs. They have clearly failed in doing that, and the mission of truth is already a massive success.. The only option left for them now, is to continue with their nefarious task. I believe that the structure lost its rigidity after the Giza intelligences were arrested and deported by the Plejaren. The Giza Intelligences were the source , from which almost everything degenerated, had its root cause. That is my understanding, but knowledge is unending and there will always be more to discover and mistakes to be made along the way,
My very short comment about the reptilians and greys were just a very simple overview, and depending on the standpoint once wishes to take, either side of the coin could be further elaborated and expanded upon as useful information. It is really the case that explanations will always requiring more explanations, depending on the degree of depth once wishes to go. I will go and read the links you provided, thanks.

On the one hand, this kind of info is really intriguing and I enjoy it immensely, yet, the inner worlds yet to be discovered relating to our consciousness abilities, far outweigh any history lesson, as fascinating as they are.

Dyson Devine

Dear Jacobus,

Thanks so much for your clarification and the information. It’s a real pleasure to see another German-reader here, and of course I’m in accord with all you say in regard to the Bafath. We are witnessing nothing short of the death throes of an ancient deadly viper, rendered headless since May 1978. (Yay!) Even the Vatican is splitting away from Israel now. Wonders never cease. Praise Creation! 🙂

The David Icke matter is much more complex for me. I think, in his own way, he’s sincere, and – like many historical authors of fiction who heroically try to expose potentially deadly political truths – he has to hide the most dangerous bits under a heavy blanket of denied allegory. Billy and the Plejaren (and I) do it too, all the time, as you would have gathered by the measured pace of the Plejarens’ “corrections” and well-timed revelations of the (unmatched) level of their knowledge of our godforsaken planet and its swarming, unknowing passengers/crew. And that also applies to the Billy and the Plejarens’ reflexive and exaggerated public “opposition” to certain arcane topics and texts I wouldn’t even have ever learnt of had the P’s not been so specific and over-the-top with their glaringly “illogical” (at the superficial level) criticisms of the glaring truth. It’s the “Project Blue Book” technique. Make the info say different things to people of different levels of consciousness, where those requiring protection are made to believe that Billy’s (and other authors’) words never have deeper meanings. Like the Bible, where you get fundamentalists who take everything (even the contradictory bits) absolutely literally.

This “self-debunking” serves the function of keeping the author out of prison, while also keeping those with a weaker consciousness psychically protected from the truth which (let’s face it) almost NOBODY can cope with – Figu types included. So I credit David Icke with uniquely (initially) providing oxygen for the desperately frightened and endagered original author of the information (which we copied off the Net and were jailed for publishing) and he simply could not have done that safely without also having the silly “shapeshifting reptoids” story line in place to make it all sound crazy and absurd (where do we see THAT methodology used?) and thus get him off the hook with the folks he describes as actually non-humans, and, at the same time – right up to when he defecates in the party punchbowl with the reptoids story – he actually provides an abundance of truthful and useful historical information for any genuine researcher who can see the protective (of self and others) methodology for what it obviously (so those with eyes to see) is.

And – most importantly – I think the U.K. branch of the Order of Darkness has to take responsibility for the “ET reptoids/reptilians” disinformation, in the same way that their busy co-workers in the USA have also manufactured its own little (fake ET, Earth-human) grey sexual torturers mentioned in one of my earlier links on this thread, (contact 441). I’ll quote from now from Dr. Steven Greer: “One of the most sophisticated facilities of this type is in England. A lot of these so-called “reptilian”-looking creatures that people think are extraterrestrial are programmed life forms and bio-machines, and are being created there.”

http://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/gaiaguys/behindthescenes.htm

In an apparently identical strategy, Greer’s video, “Sirius” (apt) goes through the terrible historical truth about stolen, weaponised (think “9/11) advanced free (from the vacuum) zero-point energy and propulsion (anti-gravity) technology quite accurately for about the first half of the video, and then he launches into the “swamp gas” nonsense, seemingly also fueled by his Bahia (Bafath) religious dogma about the return of THEIR “One True Prophet”, who is not human and due back in a millennium, according to their goofy story.

But as Billy so correctly describes, all of this is simply beyond the grasp of the majority.

I’ll leave you, in a spirit of brotherhood, with another The Way to Live excerpt in which he expands on the idea:

132) Only a human being whose education and solid characteristics surpass the average can have the sublime things explained to him/her and understand them; but, to those who live below the average and normal mediocrity of the education and marked substantial characteristics, the understanding of the sublime and highest things is closed off, for which reason they must make an effort regarding the education, the recognition of the truth and regarding the knowledge as well as regarding the manual skills, in order to attain the average and surpass it; evolution demands that.

Salome.

.

Duke

Also, like the saying birds of a feather flock together, the same mind knumbing 3 Os of “0missions, 0versights, and 0utright-lies” sticks its ugly head out again and again. After all, there was no real need for two Gulf Wars if anyone paid attention to the watchdog groups and the near flawless way the first war evaded answering why it lost its key objective of toppling the Saddam regime in one go. Stuff like that is never mentioned just like today’s WW2 documentaries have such a wealth of **new** sources they contained less information than the error prone cold war adaptations of the same material!

Of course, the real reason was that the weapons deployed, used, and fielded essentially were too overweight, over stretch, and basically out of gas that let the Republican Guard slip away. IT’s about as bright as a 40-watt light bulb. But, some folks have short arms and deep pockets!

So, that being said, the key omission of the UFO subject with regards to Deep Black Budgets, besides the budget itself, is the almost deserted information pertaining to failures generally done when technology fails to work right. We get a sense of this in the early contact notes where “Earth humanity discovers that gravity doesn’t always effect equally across the planet” which I bet was a hard lesson for prototype craft to careen into the earth like mini-asteroids. I ponder what two such objects coming close together would do where you don’t necessarily have to kamikazi the other craft but just enough to disrupt the stability around a giant planet to force a pull into the ground.

Also, the very deft way the P’s fake the wobbling motion of what our experimenting crap-tastic craft looks like intentionally to get the 0rder of D1s-luminated, D1s-illusioned, and D1s-associated pack to even get a c-lue the K-ansas t-hey w-ere l-ooking f-or i-snt t-he C-anvas t-hey t-hoth t-hey h-ad p-ainted t-ogether! After all, the BF aren’t BFFs but the one’s that ran the show, not Earth Humanity. It’s no wonder the BF made an attempt to silence Billy so many times (or at least what the material puts forth)!

Moshe

Where’s David Scott???

Jacobus

Andy,

It is safe to say that you don’t particularly agree with the writings of Billy Meier and from your viewpoint, we are being led by our noses like a bunch of fools, am I right?

Now, just to clarify where you are coming from, what is your understanding of what happens after death? Do you share the Christian philosophy of heaven and hell, and if not, could you please elaborate?

It is very easy to criticize, while simultaneously, not contributing anything productive to the discussion at hand.

Andy

No, I am an atheist. No, no heaven no hell. I think reincarnation may be real, based on evidence like that found in the book Twenty Cases Suggestive of Reincarnation.

It’s actually not safe to say that I “don’t particularly agree with the writings of Billy Meier” — I agree with a lot of what he says. Its just that I am not convinced that he is in contact with ET’s; in fact, I am fairly confident he is not.

Ev

great, you are right in saying “Simply polluting the environment” I never understood why some kept coming around, could be that in some vain hope someone would say something to change their view on the Meier material? Dunno? it’s a mystery to me! It is a daunting task to really get into all of the material and for me personally I know I will not cover even a small % of it in this lifetime. It basically comes down to….do you resonate with it? or not?

Andy

Yes, fair enough. I jumped back in because I wanted to hear why Dyson in particular was so confident in the authenticity of the case.

While I appreciate the invitation, I’d rather not discuss why I think case is likely a hoax. We’ve been there; didn’t go very far. Take care.

Moshe

Ok, I thought it was too good to be true that MH was going to let people post views not in alignment with his. MH, I don’t blame you, given that your logic is so tenuous. The best way for you to win an argument is to prevent the opposition from showing up.

Jacobus

Here is a lovely song from 1968, that I dedicate to all the skeptics and naysayers.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eSVfLNCW4Fs

Here are some of the lyrics, which I find rather appropriate.

Hey there, Georgy girl
Swingin’ down the street so fancy-free
Nobody you meet could ever see the loneliness there – inside you

Hey there, Georgy girl
There’s another Georgy deep inside
Bring out all the love you hide and, oh, what a change there’d be
The world would see a new Georgy girl

[Instrumental Interlude]

Hey there, Georgy girl
Dreamin’; of the someone you could be
Life is a reality, you can’t always run away
Don’t be so scared of changing and rearranging yourself
It’s time for jumping down from the shelf – a little bit

Hey there, Georgy girl
There’s another Georgy deep inside
Bring out all the love you hide and, oh, what a change there’d be
The world would see a new Georgy girl
(Hey there, Georgy girl)
Wake up, Georgy girl
(Hey there, Georgy girl)
Come on, Georgy girl

Sheila

Logical deduction is where the skeptics are having a hard time of it:
http://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/Articles_by_Subhabrata_Mukhuti
Maybe this link can help them.

Darcy Wade Carlile

Thanks Sheila. I wanted to know the global downfall situation update.

Jacobus

Dear Daniel Zooman,

Listen friend,

I may have called you a moron in the past, but that shouldn’t stand in our way of becoming super best friends, I absolutely agree with you. I have many moronic friends, and let me tell you, there is nothing to be ashamed of.

Dyson Devine

Dear Andy,

I’m replying here to your questions of me asked previously on a different page of this same thread. Sometimes my responses end up out of chronological order, and the format is poorly designed for hundreds of lengthy comments.

You write, “Dyson, clearly you are bright guy. As such, I’m really curious: why do you still think the case is authentic when, as it turns out, Meier has NO verifiable scientific/prophetic ‘corroborations’ (and its not just that he didn’t usurp the scientists in time, certain CR bits are obviously retrodicted indicating conscious deception) and a large handful of the outer space photos have shown to be clearly fake…?”

Can someone please refer me to the web material in question? I’d like to see how Onde’s (“Urk”, the Bronze Age “Ice Man Mummy”) fatal arrowhead was explained. And Michael is right of course about published copyright dates. But he’s wrong about how much (very LOVING) “conscious deception” goes on for all the reasons Jim described here:

http://www.tjresearch.info/denial.htm

And going back to the source to confirm the truth is logically misguided to the point of absurdity. Of course. As is the talk of “lies”, naturally, also

http://theyfly.com/concealment-vs-lies-0

This can also go here again because it requires understanding: http://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/gaiaguys/meier.truth.htm

But, to answer your question, which I’ve answered here and elsewhere many times before: I accept the validity and genuineness of the mission because Billy’s texts are SO much more erudite and useful than anything I’ve ever read before, and I’ve been an amateur/generalist student of epistemology all my long adult life, which I organised so I’d have the time and resources to learn. I also have a science background.

I’m sorry that “Rahl’s” brilliant scientific analysis was so meaningless for you, Andy. In essence, it’s SO simple. Hold up a shiny spoon right in front of your face in such a way as to see your distorted reflection in the convex (back) surface of the business end of the spoon. Now move it further away. Notice that the reflected image shrinks. THAT simple principal is what was revealed, and it is absolutely beyond (rational) argument, as a well-understood manifestation of the most basic and blindingly inescapable principals of simple optics (physics).

Richard P. Crandall opines that people lie, but not physics, which obviously cannot lie. http://www.theyfly.com/articles/gaia/masons.vacuons.htm

And – with all my historically infuriating whistleblowing and resulting imprisonment and endlessly (since 2004) ongoing courtroom battles, etc., I’ve now been VERY thoroughly clinically tested, since the ’90s, by various tame government psychiatrists, and been not only given a very clean bill of mental health, but had a whole range of unusually healthy mental qualities pointed out to me again and again. (This is a big problem for our adversaries.) Search for me in relation to “Loddon” (medium security prison) and you’ll see that I was transferred there after a month in the “general prison community” maximum security, and Loddon has no psychiatric unit. So our enemies, in trying to prove me insane, have provided me with unsought public evidence indicating the exact opposite.

That’s why truth is a powerful elemental force – which is,nevertheless. powerless against “Dumheit” – low intelligence.

Strive to strive to learn, brother. Be grateful that you’ve now got more than a local library (full of lies), which is all I grew up with.

As for the religious component, I was raised in a discreetly anti-religious, non-Christian household, and I also seem to be one of those fortunate individuals Billy discusses who is genetically incapable of belief. There are still broken remnants of our website in various hard-to-find places which provide some personal background.

http://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/gaiaguys/sin.htm

Unfortunately, because the Plejaren methodology as I described it before here, is invisible to those without eyes to see, any and all explanations from the knowledgeable ones is similarly rejected, as planned. That’s why I’m run off these public venues, and that’s why Mahesh-types are an asset in the search for the truth for those who can deal with it, and reinforces the protective unknowingness of the vast majority of those who can’t.

I suggest that you read from section 194.

http://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/gaiaguys/meier.contact10.htm

I hope that’s addressed your question, Andy, and it might be useful for others here.

Salome.

Daniel Zumon

no no, absolutely not, no friendship, I presented no invitation. I have no moronic friends btw, I appreciate your honesty because people with moronic friends are incompatible with me at an interpersonal level. In english english language, moronic holds an additional value btw, those that are stupid in a genuine accepted normal sort of a way (evolutionary level stupid), are more susceptible to the more depraved lower levels of the popular cults, they use words readily without any thought for their very low values.

It is something to be ashamed of, I’ll make that particular judgement for myself on this occasion.

Dyson Devine

If anyone is interested:
The Judas-lineage Matthew, on July 18, 2015 at 2:03 am wrote:
“Rob, [the name] Matthew comes from a few different sources so it depends on the individual, but the closest are Mathyan = he that can charm and enchant and evoke “magical” responses … ”

On page 244, of FIGU’s new, greatly-expanded, 2014 edition of “12012 altherkömmliche Vornamen in ihrer Urform und deren Bedeutung” [12,012 old traditional first names in their original form and their meaning], the name “Matean” (with a long “e”) is listed – very close to your “Mathyan” – as “Der schöne Augen hat” [He who has beautiful eyes].

Thought you’d like to know.

And you are not the Maadi/Mahdi. Billy is.
http://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/gaiaguys/meier.MAHDI.htm

Cheers!

The Judas-lineage Matthew

Maadi is a name, not a “the”. Billy cannot be “the” Mahdi despite the omen of the name “Muhammad Abdullah”, as (the first) Mahdi is prophesied to be a “initially a bad Muslim” who is set on the right path by the prophet following Muhammad, who was falsified by the authors of the ahadith to “Isa, son of Mary”, because they were of the belief that no prophet would follow Muhammad, rather only the “second coming of Jesus”. If you read the ahadith Mahdi seems actually to be a kind of descriptive title rather than a “one saviour” or the like. In fact, many ahadith speak of more than one Mahdi, even a dozen or more. I think the term actually refers to us, the students of Billy, and not to him himself alone, although maybe partly to him. Mahdi = guided on the right path. Maadi = renewing the world with truth. Billy does not seem to need to be guided onto the right path. Unfortunately the concept of Mahdi or Mahdis has been turned into an absurd cult-wish by Shiites and perhaps also to a degree by Sunnis. Therefore, I would hesitate even to say that Billy is “the” Mahdi (just read about the Mahdi on discoveringislam.org, where you will see what I mean under the heading “Shiite Mahdi”). But nonetheless, Maadi is a name, just like all the others – just a name.

Dyson Devine

Dear T.J-l. M.,

Ok, Technically it’s a name, not a title. But let’s say my parents, Mr. and Mrs. Depp, had named me “Johnny”, wouldn’t I now be constantly saying, “No. Not THE Johnny Depp”?

[BTW, FIGU now states that, from now on, “Prophet” is OUT (due to its misleading religious connotations) and “Teacher” is IN.]

And falsified religious teachings are never trustworthy sources of reliable historical information.

Cheers!

The Judas-lineage Matthew

Mahdi/Mehdi is actually a pretty common name among Muslims, albeit not with the original pronunciation of Muhammad’s dialect (Maadi) but with the H pronounced (Mahdi/Mehdi). In Arabic, “Johnny Depp” is distinguished from “THE Johnny Depp” by, in the case of reference to “God”, removal of the prefix Al-, and in the case of prophets, etc, by when mentioning these names saying “peace be upon him”. So it is a real problem, as there are so many Muhammads, Mahamads, Mohammeds, etc, yet one already solved. In regard to Maadi, the difference would be Al-Maadi vs. Maadi, i.e. THE Maadi/Mahdi vs. “a Maadi” or “a man named Maadi”. Also, fusha (Standard Arabic) has the suffix -un, i.e. Maadiun/Mahdiun, after every proper name, meaning literally something like “a Dyson”, “a Matthew”, &c.

The Judas-lineage Matthew

Really I find that the NAME Maadi resonates with me the most, more so than Mathyan, Mataus, Matean, etc, in consideration of its real meaning, “to discover and reveal a new world of truth”, “to renew the world with truth”, i.e. expand the boundaries of the known world through exploration of the unknown. It is unfortunate that there is a fictional “saviour” character made out of this and certain of Muhammad’s prophecies mixed with misattributions, and outright crazy bullshit like the “immortal one in occultation”, etc. But I think it is important to find the best resonance of one’s name that most truly matches one’s character, i.e. den Namen in seiner Urform. This resonates with personality, thinking, subconscious knowledge, genetics, etc. I have indeed discovered “a new world of truth”, as have you, and therefore am renewing the world (resp. the known world). Also, my great grandfather was Arab, so there is a genetic resonance with an Arab name as well.

The Judas-lineage Matthew

Also, it seems that some various things may have been misattributed to the myth of “the Mahdi” which actually originally referred to the next prophet, i.e. Billy who however does not call himself a prophet, but a “teacher” (the Plejaren previously called him a prophet, but he recently spoke with Ptaah and they decided upon the term “Lehrer” – see I do read German). Possibly much of this also refers to Billy’s next incarnation in 2075. Where it will be, I have an idea, but I will not say more than that.

The Judas-lineage Matthew

i.e. “the Mahdi” has been greatly exaggerated due to the misattribution of every hopeful prophecy of a “heroic leader” to “him”, when these things actually refer to Billy or his future incarnations (wrongly or perhaps symbolically called “Isa son of Maryam”, who “prays behind the Mahdi” = the peace-meditation, and kills the Dajjal = destroys the antilogos with his teaching of truth), although perhaps we can speak of future “Mahdis” in this sense.

The Judas-lineage Matthew

By the way, Dyson, if you look on page 244 it is right there: Mathyan – der zu bezaubern vermag. This is the closest to the Irish/English name Matthew (it is the sound that counts, not the spelling). Matéan is closer to the Spanish form Mateo, &c. However, I should caution that English is ambiguous in the value of its words, in contrast to German, so the full meaning of the name depends on the individual subconscious “parsing” of the name and which resonance is strongest.

The Judas-lineage Matthew

And there you are on page 116 – Díson = der Vorausschauende.

Dyson Devine

Thanks Matthew. I thought that that other name was closer. I suppose there’s worse things than having a name associated with “der zu bezaubern vermag” (he who is capable of being charming), but a guy I know who was one of Bush (Jr.) and Clinton’s translators said that. privately, George was capable of being disarmingly charming at will – punctuated with abrupt intervals of infantile rage. I think there are too many “charmed” people on this planet already.

And I’d rather that we were judged by our works, not our words, or much less our names.

Salome.
P.S. I doesn’t surprise me that you read German. 😉

The Judas-lineage Matthew

Bezaubern has a deeper meaning than just “charming”, as you probably know. Zauber = to combine things in a suggestive way, such as words, to obtain a certain effect, as did Jmmanuel when he healed the sick. Zu bezaubern Vermögen = to know how these suggestive combinations work, such as those that lead to the “synchromystic” observations of people like Loren Coleman, but also more positively, to healing through things like acupuncture that stimulate the symbolic subconscious. German cannot be adequately translated into English. Yes, there are some real pieces of shit named Matthew as well, as is the case with most English names because of the ambiguity of the English kabbalistic code, the presence of aggression-genes in all of us, etc. Also of course Bezaubern is neutral but has a very dark side that is expressed in certain charming serpents. One has to look at the whole meaning of the whole name. George Bush = Gorgos Busch = the terrible one that hides in the thicket, related to Gorgon, the Greek word for a terrible monster, e.g. Medusa. George Bush was and is a total schizophrenic psychopath inhabited by the exact same mental forces behind the Islamic extremists, known as behemoth. He thus has at least two personalities resp. alter-egos in one body. Names have an enormous influence on human behaviour, really inestimably great, although much of this is subtle and therefore goes unnoticed unless one looks at all the mundane facts involved closely. To have a name that means “the terrible” (not all people named George correspond to this meaning, but he did) or “filthy dog” (i.e. “Andy”) is pretty hard to turn into a neutral-positive.

The Judas-lineage Matthew

In regard to symbolic omens, etc, read Arahat Athersata where it is warned against “reines Verstandesdenken”. Vernunft must be developed to its highest capability, which means a kind of feminine awareness of correspondences and subtle meanings and not just following things by determination and implication from effect to cause and from conditional cause to effect. This is where “Zauber” comes from, i.e. the fact that attractive forces arise from relationships alone as a potential energy, because “Gleich und Gleich gesellen sich gern” and “die Kräfte enfalten sich aus der Beziehung heraus”. Beziehung = a very literal word when you think about it, just as everything else in the extraordinary German language, which in itself is like a piece of alien technology.

The Judas-lineage Matthew

Michael, yes the acupuncture meridians are real and along them flow the active life-energy, as explained by Quetzal. But they are also a kind of intelligence that controls the life-form and suggestions in the subconscious mind activate the energy. Also, as the new TJ explains, this is how Jmmanuel healed the sick – by speaking suggestive words and laying his hands on people (on their acupuncture-points or foot-soles, as explained in “die Psyche”), not by “miracles”.

Duke

IF you mean Contact 544:
http://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/Contact_Report_544

“Ptaah:
Even at my age I can still learn very much, thus also your so accurate manner of explanation, talking, presentation and speech. This is all so apposite that I myself make it more and more my own, because, to me, you are not only a very dear and precious friend, rather also a teacher, the likes of which I have never yet encountered in my lifetime.

Auch in meinem Alter kann ich noch sehr viel lernen, so auch deine so treffende Erklärungs-, Rede-, Darlegungs- und Sprechweise. Dies alles ist so treffend, dass ich es mir mehr und mehr zu eigen mache, denn du bist für mich nicht nur ein sehr lieber und wertvoller Freund, sondern auch ein Lehrer, wie mir zu meiner Lebzeit noch kein anderer begegnet ist.”
___

Yes, teacher.

The Judas-lineage Matthew

No, I mean this: http://www.figu.org/ch/files/downloads/bulletin/figu_sonder_bulletin_91.pdf
Which is only in German and was published pretty recently.

Duke

Oh so there is a possibility of a “Dark Prophet” that can exist. I thought I got that vibe earlier though I can’t find it anymore from the site.

Billy
“Das lasse ich mir gefallen, und es sagt auch aus, dass ich nichts zu tun habe mit sogenannter
‹schwarzer› Magie, mit Hellseherei, Religion, Sektenwesen, Wahrsagerei, Zauberei und dergleichen
oder ähnlichen Dingen. “

The Judas-lineage Matthew

Where did you get that from? He is talking about the meaning of the word “prophet” as it applies to religious cults, e.g. the Mormon “prophet” who does not shy to call himself this.

The Judas-lineage Matthew

I gather that Billy wants to be called “teacher” rather than “prophet” both because this is more accurate regarding his overall work, and also because the word “Prophezeier”/prophesier is quite general and can refer to anyone, while various cult-religions have a designated “prophet” that supposedly receives prophecies by “revelation”, while in truth ANYONE can make prophecies for him or herself if they only observe symbolic omens, real causes and effects, and perform a certain kind of meditation that enables glimpses of the future, or simply pays attention to their dreams, etc. Various cults would have it that there is a “final prophet” after whom prophecy ceases, or that there is a “prophet” as a kind of official rank in their church. Yet this is fundamentally false, as a “prophet” resp. prophesier is really just someone (i.e. anyone who studies the spirit-teaching) who is able to see where things are going using the faculties of their consciousness.

Duke

“Where did you get that from? He is talking about the meaning of the word “prophet” as it applies to religious cults, e.g. the Mormon “prophet” who does not shy to call himself this.”

Exactly! What else can you describe Dunkle Donuts as?

The Judas-lineage Matthew

To further explain, this phrase originated as a way of distinguishing the prophets from other people with the same name, because many people in the Islamosphere are named Muhammad, etc.

The Judas-lineage Matthew

Also, considering that Billy actually does not want to be called a prophet, but Lehrer instead, therefore it was actually correct that Muhammad was the final prophet, in a sense, but he was not the final messenger,
i.e. Rasullah, namely the messenger of Arahat Athersata.
There are 6 prophets but 7 messengers of Arahat Athersata.
These are people who literally bring messages from the pure spiritual collective Wir-Forms Arahat Athersata & Petale to material human beings, as readable in the book “Arahat Athersata”.

The Judas-lineage Matthew

I might have created another misunderstanding, so I will clarify again: there were 6 main prophets, the final one being Muhammad ibn Abdullah (peace be upon him), but there were many “lesser prophets” before that time. Billy is a prophesier but not a prophet, and he is the final messenger out of the 7 messengers of Arahat Athersata.

Darcy Wade Carlile

Planet Urda.

The Judas-lineage Matthew

I really think that Mahdi does not refer to Billy himself (who is actually “Isa ibn Maryam”) but to those are “rightly guided” by his teaching, although it has been mixed up, like other words and names and prophecies, in order to create a myth about a saviour-figure. The precise meaning of Mahdi is passive-HDY (i.e. to passively have HDY-verb done to one), which according to Hans Wehr’s dictionary means: “recht geleitet werden; hingeführt werden; den Weg finden; finden, auffinden, entdecken; verfallen, darauf kommen; zurückgeführt werden, zurückfinden (zum rechten Glauben (vom Bösen)); sich richten nach (jemandem), sich zum Vorbild nehmen, jemandes Führung folgen; sich leiten lassen; um richtige Wegführung, göttliche Leitung bitten, den rechten Weg suchen; sich richten (nach);” i.e. “durch Wahrheit die Welt erneurn” I take at least in the name to mean something like “discover the new world of truth”, “be a pioneer of the truth”, i.e. Grenz- und Geisteswissenschaft. I think that Billy and Arahat Athersata are sometimes wrongly called “Isa” (Billy is a descendent of Jmmanuel) and “Allah” (Arahat Athersata, among other things, was mis-renamed “God” by the falsifying scribes such as Ali). Also, because of the myth of “the Mahdi”, certain prophecies originally referring to Billy are misattributed to “him”. As for the name, I posted it, Maadi, along with Mathyan, because I find these resonate the most with my life and character out of the resonants in Billy’s Namenbuch.

The Judas-lineage Matthew

Michael, I say it because it is considered traditionally to be respectful. I do not obsessively say it with every utterance of the name, as some do, but only when I think it is appropriate to show deference in a traditional wise. Here it means more “he was a true prophet” than the literal meaning.

Dyson Devine

Dear T.J-l. M.,

You assert, without references of qualifications, “(Billy is a descendent of Jmmanuel)”.

Is he? That’s news to me. Where did you learn that, please? I admit that they certainly seems to share the nose.

Or are you using our floppy English language loosely to describe spirit form incarnation chronological successions?

I was of the impression from something I read somewhere in the latest vol 12 of the contact notes, that it was Jmmanuel’s GRANDSON who actually originally established Billy’s Meier BLOODLINE, which, to the spiritual-thinker, is not very relevant to much of anything. It’s like gender and/or ethnicity, which are, of course, irrelevant to the identical holographic fragments of enlivening Creation we all carry inside us – which we revere, in ourselves and all other life, not to mention every single one of our planets’ sibling human beings. That’s the drill as I understand it.

BTW, Matthew, I think that your translation of “Unmensch” to sub-human was what the problem for me was mostly. Words are important. Us all being brainwashed into seeing our “enemies” as BELOW the real human race, and as an immanent threat to it, seems to be a vital link in the chain of cause and effect which shackles our lovely planet in endless slavish war. By Unmensch, I think it’s clear that Billy means more like someone who is not behaving like a true human being, as opposed to someone who is somehow a lesser sort of human being, a sub-human. This isn’t pedantic semantics. It’s an important central issue in the teaching that is very hard to covey (“impossible”, according to the Plejaren linguists) in English.

And while I’m at it, there was a grateful reference (thank you) way back on this crowded thread, to us madly paddling translators being able to get everybody “there” (ferried across the treacherous River of Unknowingness to the mysterious hidden realm of truth behind the language barrier) with time. Actually, Billy has never agreed with this idea, and I’ve gradually also come around to this view myself, after striving as hard as I can to think about the nature of the language barrier in this unique case, where – evidently – German has been protected from our world’s human adversarial forces and English has fallen victim to it.

Webpages linked off of this might be informative:
http://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/gaiaguys/translations.htm

I see this now is such a way that I can say that I think it’s because “the devil is in the details”, and looking at a matter with a view to making accurate assessments and logical determinations has to be done almost microscopically (as well as holistically) in order to discern that particular matter’s tiniest most fundamental building blocks and casual connections. Mundane matters, are one thing, but the Meier stuff seems to require a logical language, well-understood by the reader, and English is simply not up to the job, where even absolutely critical distinctions between the MOST basic concepts like belief v. knowledge are seemingly utterly beyond the conception of modern, dumbed-down English-only folks, and the two very different words are now basically used interchangeably as interchangeable concepts. I have to echo Billy’s advice, and suggest that other interested students make a big effort to learn the language, as you’re doing, Matthew. If one can’t, one will never be able to adequately/accurately convey the true spirit of the material, especially in English, and an unintended adversarial slant results. IMO. And of course, describing these idea-related subtitles of meaning that are – by there very linguistic nature – beyond the cognisance of the E.O.P. (English Only People) just engenders shots fired at the messenger, because the intended recipient of the massage cannot see the inky scratches on the paper as meaningful communications.

I reckon that’s why – if it does – it will take 800 years.

I know this is overly didactic for you personally, brother Matthew, (but if you dish it out, you have to take it), but Michael provides this bully pulpit and I’m congenitally didactic myself, having descended (or ascended?), so to speak, from many long intersecting lines infested with simple school teachers and Ivory Tower academics, and we all know what is unkindly said about career teachers. (They “teach” because they cannot “do”.) I prefer to let Billy be the teacher, and I’m the dude who tries to simply accurately as possibly covey Billy’s works to those interested in learning how to achieve lasting freedom, strength, joy, knowledge, wisdom/love and HOPE.

Salome.

The Judas-lineage Matthew

It says in Kontaktberichte Block 12 that Billy is a descendant of Meir of Amalfi, who in turn was a descendant of Jmmanuel.

The Judas-lineage Matthew

Also, I think that race and ethnicity, bloodline, etc, are actually very significant, as the spirit-form tends only to reincarnate in with similar genetics and in a similar location, as explained many times by Billy. Different races express the laws of Creation in different proportions, and thus have a certain mission to fulfil in balancing the human race in its “elemental” composition.

The Judas-lineage Matthew

I am not surprised to hear that you are descended from teachers. Puritans? – who by the way for all their faults were escaping the persecution of the much worse Anglican church under John Whitgift and the like, and who for a long time were the most educated Americans. Although Devine is an Irish name. My great-grandmother was Irish (Brown was her last name). Another of my great-grandmothers was Scottish and grew up speaking Gaelic. I am mostly of Scottish and Irish descent, except my great grandfather who was Arab and Sephardic Jewish. Interestingly if you follow the R1b haplogroup from Adam in Iraq to Jordan and Israel then this is pretty much identical to the genetic mixture among the ancient Abramites and Judeans – mostly the R1b-related lineages with an admixture of Arab. I don’t think this is a coincidence. The same spirit-forms reincarnate into at least the closest genetic match. All the prophets except Muhammad (who was likely J1) were of this R1b lineage, which is now concentrated in western Europe.

The Judas-lineage Matthew

Also, I recall that Michael Horn is of Jewish ancestry . He (his spirit-form) is probably the reincarnation of one of Jmmanuel’s Judean disciples. Everything is quite simple and very little is a “coincidence” in the usual sense of the word.

Joe

Dyson Devine,

If I may ask you, why did Ptaah want your website completely shut down? I mean couldn’t you have just removed the information that was maybe offensive and had nothing to do with the Meier material from your website and keep the rest of the contact reports online which you were kind enough to provide English translations to the non-German speaking people? I don’t know, but in my opinion it is a bit harsh for Ptaah to want your website to be completely shut down. Maybe there is something which I myself am not taking into consideration and Ptaah obviously knows something I don’t. In contact report 457 Ptaah says that the website you had was counterproductive. But when he says counterproductive does he also include the German-to-English translations of the contact reports that you used to provide?

Dyson Devine

Hi Joe.

For me to answer your questions truthfully on a public forum would just send me back behind bars, but I will reveal that those 2007 contact notes, faxed/emailed to us by Billy, are not quite the same as the notes (which have inserted lines) that finally got published in the contact notes books.

Suffice it to say that few if any of us on this planet adequately appreciate the unearthly patient, loving and brilliantly wise strategies and tactics of the Plejaren Federation operatives who are unbelievably deeply involved in assisting individuals (through their “innumerable”, specifically-directed, voluntarily-acted-upon, unconscious, thought-impulsations”) to do what’s best for our collective long term future. And they fully understand that some of us earthworms are personally committed to that too. It’s called “non-linear progress”, where a step back must be made to go forward.

Aging and retired Hollywood movie star Greta Garbo attracted a LOT of unwanted attention to herself, well beyond her “best before” date, simply by trying really hard to avoid attracting attention.

I think almost all of our original “lost” translations and many articles were saved on http://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/gaiaguys/Meier.htm and of course Michael sold a CD of our published work until recently. But Ptaah’s urgent security measure, that was for us contact 457, never dealt with our website translation work, which had, only weeks before, gotten a direct hypertext link from FIGU’s on-line Bulletin. And it would have been impossible to simply surgically excise any and all forbidden facts, information, indirect references, suggestions, implications, links to links, etc. etc. etc. from its global context on our private, unpaid, volunteer, gigantic whistleblowers’ website with which our Meier-specific work was but a relatively small part. Our whole (premature) IDEA was to present the Big Picture (as it formed before us) with both current opposing polarities described in factual detail so it could be start to be understood and researched by normal people.

Oh well.

Since then, we’ve put our legally binding signatures along with Billy’s on our two book translation contracts with him, and the exactingly precise German wordings of the two different contact 457 transcriptions is open to broad interpretation in the context of the factual details obviously well understood by Florena, not to mention Billy and Ptaah, and ourselves.

It’s not just their three different sized WCUFOs that’s cunningly and very specifically designed to be tactical. It’s everything. And that is NOT unethical, it’s just that we earthlings have degenerated and cannot yet seemingly disassociate it with evil. A little bit of wise/loving ethical teleology is not unethical and Creation does not insist that we give our lives, especially not for some well-meant but misguided idiology.

Salome.

The Judas-lineage Matthew

Since he is unallowed to say it, Dyson exposed a Scientology-related cult’s criminal activities in Australia. They sued him for religious defamation and he was jailed for not taking the info down from his website. I don’t know if Dyson figured it out, but I strongly suspect that Scientology may be the force behind this cult as they are recorded to have infiltrated it very early on in its American form. I also suspect that a lot of cult activity is a kind of staged Hollywood show in order to make seem ridiculous and cover up the mundane matter of sexual and drug-related blackmail which L. Ron Hubbard also openly authorized. Therefore, cuckolding and all other excesses are to be considered, as well as illegal drugs. Just read up on the infiltration of the IRS by this “Lafayette”‘s lovely leviathan “religion”.

The Judas-lineage Matthew

I should perhaps say a few things about these matters, though. First, as much of a greedy, unscrupulous organization as this particular group (Scientology) is, I cannot single it out as anything especially bad when one considers e.g. Iran, Israel, and the various criminal churches with a more socially acceptable veneer and less general following, all of which are structured in the same wise – soulless psychopaths fuelled by enormous hate leading deluded masses in the old system of manic totalitarian control and obedience. And I am not really sure which is worse, Scientology with its exorbitantly priced hypnosis-sessions or the emerging totalitarian surveillance-state in the EU. As all these groups are more or less equally bad, and are not going away in a fortnight, I stand relatively neutral toward them, despite their degeneration, and focus my aggression-genes (which all we Earthilngs have, and can use or abuse) on the root causes, which as I have said are psychological, genetic and cultural, and must be gradually weeded out.

The Judas-lineage Matthew

There is a danger in getting too paranoid – it generates fear, anxiety, and thus hate, also in you. I am not saying it is unwarranted, but it can be unhealthy and unproductive. What else can you feel but Trauer? in the face of all this. The terrestrial human race is a hate-race, and every one of these groups is a machinery of hate, whether they are preaching “morality” or “libertinism” or “equality” or racism, “feminism”, etc – they all have the same psychological character.

Dyson Devine

Mathew. Wrong. Wrong. Wrong. You have drunk the kool-aid.

PLEASE keep your dangerously poorly-researched GROSS errors of fact to your SELF! This is a gravely serious matter which seriously belongs ELSEWHERE and distanced from further unwanted involvement with Billy and the Plejaren, who we NEVER wanted drawn into this. Particularly by disinformed agitprop conveyed as truth in this place where people trustingly come expecting to find it.

“I don’t know if Dyson figured it out”. I have. Long ago. And you haven’t.

And you won’t trick me into saying, “No it was not that. No it was not that. No it was not that. No it was not that.”

Peace.

Dyson Devine

And PLEASE, Michael. Cool it. It constitutes a dangerous police-corruption issue associated with “errors of law”. (I hope I can say legally say THAT much!) And your uninformed speculation here is (particularly dangerously counter-productive.

Salome.

The Judas-lineage Matthew

Okay, maybe I should add to cultural, psychological and genetic also LEGAL. The legal system is, as Billy says, dangerously “verweichlicht”. At least here in the USA the police have even adopted a “walk away” policy with violent criminals if they think the situation could not be resolved without shooting them. Also, in my personal experience, I was harassed by a dangerous psychopath who broke my windows and threatened to kill me and the police made no effort to capture him. When he finally got charged with something, it was only a misdemeanour harassment. I know how this works. We are basically in an anarchy/dictatorship. Maybe saying “I don’t know if Dyson figured it out” was condescending and dumb – probably you know something I don’t but cannot say. Maybe it is different in Australia than in the USA, i.e. different influences, etc. However, I certainly find that a lot of these “cult” activities involve a suspicious connection to people with Hollywood skills and things that make no sense in the context of sadistic human sacrifice, but make perfect sense as Hollywood fakeries in order to cover up the actual activity of orgies, drugs, etc. I don’t doubt that it happens, however. There was a case in the “heart” of the EU involving some of the royal family where actual snuff-films were being made. Yet most of the sadism of these Ketuvic (Ketu, the dragon’s tail, a Sanskrit term), mind-controlled former puppets of the Bafath is not so physically violent, but in the form of maddening bureaucracy, illogical dogmas, hypocrisy of all kinds, etc.

Moshe

Dyson, you’re the one who brought it up!

The Judas-lineage Matthew

Yes, there is certainly an element of mass murder-suicide that is extremely dangerous. See my above post where I talked about the creation of such human guard-dogs and also human weapons by the Bafath. They did this before in Atlantis and Mu. It is their “philosophy” to destroy entire civilizations that are degenerate by exacerbating the degeneracy until mutually assured destruction, like encouraging a suicidal person to off themself. The means is a human weapon consisting of a quite nebulous mass of very suggestible total psychopaths. I just think it would be a good idea to disarm the weapon, if possible, rather than trying to wrench the trigger from the hand of the trigger-puller who is surrounded by so many bodyguards. As I have said, I am opposed to their ultra-Nazi method and their overpositive, narrow-minded, perfectibilist philosophy. But at the moment it seems like we are just in the last few seconds watching the bomb drop over Hiroshima. Better not try to catch it. Seek shelter. I think we should find safe places just in case (the most likely case) we cannot diffuse the bomb.

The Judas-lineage Matthew

If you read closely the various religious books, especially the Bible, you will find that this is what the Bafath were all about – giving people a choice between “God” and “Satan” (not necessarily synonymous with membership in a religious cult, etc), and should they choose the latter, destroying them mercilessly. This I think is fundamentally what was wrong with their and other Ring Nebulites’ philosophy, i.e. a megalomaniacal “playing Creation” and holding things to unrealistic standards without regard for the necessary troubles associated with natural evolution.

Moshe

Is there a site or page that describes in more detail your incarceration? What was the official charge? What country? When? How do you know their real intent? Why are they allowing you to speak now?

Jacobus

Dyson,

You are obviously much more familiar with the Meier material than I am, and because of your German advantage, can access much more hidden information from the contact notes. What you posted from “the way to life” is a revelation, Thanks for that.

However, I strongly suspect David Icke to be one of the many agents working to spread angst and fear. Now, obviously, I will have to explain my reasons for making such a statement. My suspicion grew stronger as the pieces of the puzzle started to create a larger picture.

I have a couple of questions:

Why are the David Icke books available in almost every major book store ?
Why has David Icke appeared on so many Alex Jones radio talk shows?
Why has David Icke appeared on popular conspiracy theory tv shows , such as what I have seen for myself on the History Channel?
Why are massively talented and influential musicians such as Muse, (the lead singer Matt Bellamy in particular) publicly stated on many occasions, to be supporting the reptilian agenda, while having appeared numerously on the Alex Jones radio talk show as well?

Now this is a sick web of connected individuals here, extending further to other influential public figures. Max Keiser (who has endorsed Russel Brand on the Keiser Report by the way) and Stacy Herbert have been caught red handed hanging out with Alex Jones. Now, Russel Brand(would you believe) also supports the reptilian agenda, having also appeared on the Alex Jones Show. Now I ask you, why would the BBC “News” give a person such as Russel Brand airtime and put him in a good light as some sort of “well spoken rebel rock star”, celebrity? Mind you, that Russel Brand has accidentally been caught on video, using some kind of a mind control technique on Katy Perry, at a red carpet event, not long ago.

Somehow, everything always leads back to the individual called Alex Jones. Although he gives the impression of rejecting the absurd theory of reptilians masquerading behind the elite, he is clearly assisting people who are spreading this fear mongering to the masses.

What it all boils down to is, that the powers that be, are tirelessly looking for ways to start a bloody revolution.
They are working as hard as they possibly can to start an uprising, that will lead to anarchy, mass murder, population reduction, a complete overhaul of the system which will lead to a new kind of power structure, where more control will then be exercised with the aid of technology, and I would imagine mind control being one of the goals they have in store. Dare I say Veri Chip, implants, or whatever they are called nowadays. In order for them to achieve this, chaos must ensue, and the best way to do it, is devilishly ingenious.

Allow the stories to come out Expose the wrongdoings of the powerful elite. Deliberately tell the truth(or some of it) about the corruption, about the criminality, tell the truth about the drug trafficking, about the corrupt presidents and leaders. Highlight the fact that there is no justice, deliberately increase police brutality, make people as angry, confused and afraid as you possibly can, and then you will have a revolution. But of course, not before weapons have been confiscated from mass society( which is another story altogether).I think that when most of the guns and rifles have been seized, the opposition will be much easier to control, and thrown into the conveniently constructed nazi style concentration camps, littered across the United States.

Now something that has to be said about the structure of the system. We cannot overthrow the powers that be. That cannot happen. And especially not with violence and force. That is a big mistake. That is playing right into their hands. We are being manipulated like the sheep that we are. And nothing is going to change that really, except…

Well except if we wake up and start to rationally assessing what is being done to us. But that, is a pipe dream. Maybe I am indulging in being pessimistic, but the ease by which we are being controlled, almost proves the inevitability of civil war in America, as was explained in the Henok Prophecies.

So, yes, that’s why I don’t trust David Icke.

Duke

Well, I think we can agree in that no one tells it like Meier does. I very much like the singular authenticity of the case presented as there really is nothing like it and the other folks out there cannot handle the full truth as Billy does. Outside of that you have folks that help one way or another. And then there are folks that have good intentions but don’t fully realize the faults to their own consciousness try to promote and sell different methods which leads other people to get interesting and drop their interest soon after when things get rough.

The only solution really is for everyone to be as responsible as possible. That way, we don’t have to entertain such faulty individuals that constantly mix a little bit of a perspective into a giant mess of soup-ity. After all, a moron is someone who calls other people morons. This is what Alex Jones does “trying to wake people up” as does Mark Dice and his endless volumes of dumb Americans that won’t take his pandering seriously.

Speaking of which, let’s quote the material shall we?

http://www.tjresearch.info/mt23.htm
TJ 24:1 1And Jmmanuel spoke to the people and the disciples, saying, “The scribes and Pharisees sit on the chairs of the prophets.”
TJ 24:2-3 2″Refrain, however, from doing and accepting anything they tell you, and also don’t act in accordance with their works. 3They teach you erroneous teachings, which they and their forefathers have falsified for their own selfish interests.”

“TJ 24:8-10 8″And they [the scribes and Pharisees] like to be greeted in the marketplace and to be called master by the people. 9But don’t let anyone call you [the people and the disciples] master until you have become cognizant of the wisdom of knowledge. 10And don’t let anyone call you teacher until you follow the laws of Creation yourselves,”
TJ 24:11-12 11″because those who allow themselves to be called master and teacher but do not possess the wisdom of knowledge will be denounced as liars. 12For those who unjustly exalt themselves will be abased, and those who unjustly abase themselves will be disdained.”

TJ 24:15-16 15″Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, you deceivers, hypocrites and swindlers who block the development of people’s spirits and consciousness with your lies and false teachings. 16You will not achieve advancement easily, and through your erroneous teachings you deprive those who wish to advance from doing so.”
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Dyson Devine

Thanks Jacobus. (So you are not THE Jacobus who I assumed reads German?)

Well, of course Icke’s part of the system! He’s still alive and thriving, and, if you read my previous comments again, you’ll start to see what’s happening. Its called the revelation of the method. Don’t forget that the goal is not just murder. It’s murder-suicide.

Don’t TRUST what you read, in the sense that you have confidence in the integrity of the material when taken at its most superficial levels. But only by reading openly and publically available books which I’m legally forbidden to name will you finally “get it” with this whole crazy agenda and all their “symbolic omens” of destruction and doom. Don’t throw out babies with bathwater and take what’s good and reject the bad. There’s a massive communications exercise going on in normal people’s background of which they are largely unaware.

The Plejarens – while unchallenged masters – are not the only self-debunkers out there trying to stay alive and get the word out to those who can handle it. And of course this is classic fence-sitting/ having a bit each way. That’s why Billy is invisible to the corporate presstitutes, and why Billy recently mentioned material (not translated) to Ptaah which states that the current leader of Germany is not at all what she appears to be.

Is anything what it appears to be on the surface in 2015? Not much except the remaining wilderness.

Enough said.

Salome.

Dyson Devine

“Merkel is a puppet of the US”

That’s not what I was talking about at all. It’s too hot for ME to put here, but Billy is well insulated by what I call “self-debunking”, for want of a better word to describe the security (safety) methodology so apparent in the contact excerpt in question.

Salome.