From conflict to communication, a new step is taken in pursuit of the truth
A scheduled two-hour debate regarding the Billy Meier UFO case, between nuclear physicist and UFO researcher Stanton Friedman and Michael Horn, appeared to transform into a conversation wherein Friedman, an expressed opponent of the Meier case, agreed to participate in an actual investigation of the evidence that he admitted being unfamiliar with.
Learning also that his own concern for future generations (including his own grandchildren) is addressed in Meier’s specific warnings about, and recommendations regarding how to overcome the dangers humanity faces on numerous from the environmental destruction to wars and terrorism, resulted in Friedman’s announcing that he would welcome a cooperative approach to evaluating the Meier case, which Horn has long referred to as the “key to our future survival”.
Hopefully, because Friedman is both a scientist and a UFO researcher, other parties, such as SETI, MUFON, etc., will also wish to participate in the investigation.
Additional information on Stanton Friedman’s credentials from Billy Wilson:
Friedman was employed for 14 years as a nuclear physicist for such companies as General Electric (1956–1959), Aerojet General Nucleonics (1959–1963), General Motors (1963–1966), Westinghouse (1966–1968), TRW Systems (1969–1970), and McDonnell Douglas, where he worked on advanced, classified programs on nuclear aircraft, fission and fusion rockets, and compact nuclear power plants for space applications.[2] Since the 1980s, he has done related consultant work in the radon-detection industry. Friedman’s professional affiliations have included the American Nuclear Society, the American Physical Society, the American Institute of Aeronautics and Astronautics, and AFTRA
This paper goes into great detail about Friedman’s data.
The show will be rebroadcast Saturday, October 3, here.
I am Not so trusting. I do not trust this man. He could and would lie and deceive. With his track record I will not hold my breath. No respect here. mg
Hi Michael I would suggest that since Stanton had a heart attack over a year ago, his priorities have changed. Billy has said it often takes a life changing event for a lot of people to question their version of reality.
Plus apparently Stan was put off by Wendelles love of young women (I liked MHs response to that, horn dogs nowadays sil – loved it) and they did not agree about other cases they had both investigated.
I listened to part 1 and looking forward to part 2. Great job so far MH.
Stanton is an intelligent man… He interviewed my father one time… He is very creative and pragmatic. I am surprized it took him so long to attempt to find out the evidentiary trail that is so convincing that Meier has had a real continual and remarkable experience… After getting over the better than average still photos and films taken by Billy it was the spiritual study that became far more interesting to me rather than the propulsion systems which I am sure Stanton will find facinating. Michael is very good at speaking in layman’s terms and makes it clear about what he knows concerning this case which is very extensive and hopefully Stanton will see the truth in this. What he said about Wendelle was true… he married a young woman and did some time because of it. There is such a thing as mind control and I KNOW this is true it is not just a consiracy theory… it is real. Also I like that Stanton is listening because he will find out it is true with his intelligence and pragmatic observational methodology this is very good for the case which will in turn be very good for our planet. For example, Billy tells us about the IS being a very dangerous group that needs to be taken care of without the usual bombing and a global combat peace-keeping force must be in place of at least two hundred thousand troops beholden to no one country otherwise we may face total WAR and our weapons of choice will be stone knives… and wearing bear skins… Billy has some predictions which we should pay attention to… too numerous to mention here but we have to learn not to lie and find out how to live in peace for the remainder of our civilization that is basically the spiritual teaching… but it goes much deeper than that. There is a saying history is written by the victors… which is true… and we really do not know about the Military and much of it is top secret to most folks… Billy at one time felt Betty and Barney Hill was true, same with Roswell… all were later said to be military according to Billy… mind control… it’s real. I’ve been to Switzerland seven times eight total but only seven visiting Billy. If Stanton actually regards this case it will be good for our country since he is closer to the more scientific observers rather than the lights in the sky folks. Humans do not tell the truth… evidence is necessary for deducing the truth. Welcome to the club Stanton… enjoy the journey… there are fifty books for you to read if you’re interested!
Salome: Be greeted in Peace and wisdom…
I just heard Jerry Corcy tell George noory that there will be a nuclear war in the Middle East sometime in the future but this is when Corcy doesn`t know. Right now all they are doing on c2c is fielding questions for an hour or so at this very moment. I desided not to listen due to what scared me off several years ago about preparations in the event of a nuclear war which made me decide to contact Billy years ago about leaving Earth for the DAL Universe should a nulear war break out. Now I`m a fraid to bother Billy due to his new heart problem. I don`t seem to be in ay danger but if things keep on getting worse I won`t know who to contact since not only Billy`s health but he doesn`t even read his own mail. I don`t want to bother anyone especially Billy but if and when there is a real dangerous emergency,where are we all going for SOS help::-((( Some of c2c is just too scary and negative for me to listen to:-(((
P.S. “I just don`t want to frighten myself to death with all those negative scary topics that Noory brings up,therefore I just turn it off after the first few minutes moist of the time on c2c.” Sorry about that.:-(((
I don’t blame you for quitting C2C. Other than when Michael Horn is on there, there is just too much crap. It gets to the point where it’s hard to tell fake from real. Thank you so much Terry for shutting that off. You will feel better and not be so worried.
Right now, Terry, the biggest problem is Fukishima and the nuclear fallout from that “accident” that is going to poison the entire world with dirty radiation. Focus on the present time and what we need to know/do in order to live through this time. Don’t worry about what’s going to happen in fifty years from now. . . . Worry about today. We need to get the word out to everybody that hot rain is now falling EVERYWHERE. People need to be warned about it and learn how to avoid being unnecessarily exposed to radiation that’s coming out of the clouds above their heads!
Truth is that which is given in reality and is evidential, whereas belief is bindingly linked to that which as the unseen (the unconscious) and the unprovable is erroneously assumed to be true. From our Swiss friend who lives in Hinterschmidreuti…
Well done, Michael. Rhal is right, I would.
A true scientist can only make discovery if he/she is willing to open up his/her mind on the unknown. None of us knows everything. When compass was introduced to the western world , christian sailors were afraid to use them until someone fix the Cross on it. When dinosaur fossils were discovered in Europe some priests suggested it was planted by the devil to confuse curious people. When Americas was discovered the Church thought of banning some of the staple crops like potato,corn etc simply because not in the Bible syllabus Now the Meier case. Time will tell. Sadly Time is really pressing.
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Great job Mr. Horn! I love how you go into these interviews not caring to know what will be asked because you know that the truth will win. I’m not sure why Stanton Friedman would agree to debating a subject he’s only heard about from 3rd party… For being such a smart man, that wasn’t very…. Smart? Haha! He walked into an ambush and you shredded him in the most respectful neutral way. I would of thought he would do his due diligence and at least read up on this case himself… But, I hope this leads to exposure from main stream media. As much as I now can’t stand this show, imagine contact 251 being a 5 hour “ancient alien” special? The true history of ourselves… “Millions of years ago… Man landed on earth”…. Now that would be something! The more the world is exposed to this the better chance at our future survival!
WELL DONE SIR!
After listening to the debate and having a little time to digest and think about it. It is amazing that the ‘great grandfather of ufology’ dismissed this entire ‘case’ of Billy Meier’s based on his person beliefs and views of one Wendell Stevens! It strikes me as odd and a huge example of how little people actually care about finding the truth, on ones own and how others preconceived notions play such a big part of peoples thinking processes.
All these years another man, whom could have seen the truth, dismissed it all because he thought poorly of a different guy that did find and create a lot of evidence within Billy’s ‘case’. Though I would be lying if I said that I also have not used some of Wendell’s information to base my thoughts on also.. most of us have! Though some of us thinking types might not have based the entire thing on him!:)
Was a great ‘debate’ and showed how little Mr. Friedman actually knew about anything within this field, other than lights in the sky, dead end cases, and silly nonsense that keeps the money flowing. To boot he also talked about how he did not like all of these things as well. Maybe this is partially the reason he has now come back around to re-evaluate some of what he blew by so many years ago? As he also stated at his age what does it matter what his pears think, as far as I recall him saying in some way…. go figure.
Great debate and one of the best I have gotten to listen to. Makes me appreciate many things in life being somewhat of an ‘introvert’ and not a public speaker! Glad there are some making such waves, to try and support in other ways.
Does anyone know anything about the anomaly on the floor of the Baltic Sea? Apparently there’s something that looks like an ancient UFO wreck. It’s an enormous thing and must be very old. People are speculating that when it crashed (and there appears to be a skid trail behind it down there) there would not have been any sea there. I was thinking, maybe it dates from the time of the destruction of Malona? Do the Plejaran say anything about any group of people fleeing to the earth before that planet exploded? That ship kinda gives me the creepies when I look at pictures of it, like it is awakening some long dormant memories in my subconscious. . . . any “information” would be much appreciated!
Carolyn Snyder,
I looked into the Baltic Sea object once upon a time, and watched how the information on the internet changed over time. By doing that, and comparing the information itself, as well as the change in information, to other mysteries, other patterns become evident.
So, in the beginning, the object was found, mapped by sonar, good quality pictures taken, samples taken, with the information strongly suggesting that the object was artificial in nature, that it seemed to be made of artifical stone (a geopolymer, similar to how concrete is synthetic stone), and that there was some sort of purpose to it.
Reports were written that were exciting, in rapid succession, that were full of possiblity, with many statements made by the original finders.
Over the course of the next year or so, the information and pictures degraded in quality, were shown from a further distance away, original finders said little or nothing, and writers began saying that it was just a rock formation.
The original, much higher quality pictures and sonar were much harder to find on the internet. The original, excited voices, did not speak any more. Determinations of the stone being artificial or not were no longer spoken about. Nor were any report of analysis disproving the original claim of the stone being artificial.
A logical person therefore thinks “why would you publish low quality pictures, when higher quality ones are available? why would you not refer to analysis showing that stone is artificial, or publish new evidence showing that disproves the original determination? why would you simply state that it was a natural formation, when anyone can clearly see that this thing has ridges and bumps in some kind of intelligent or otherwise strange arrangement similar to that at Yonaguni? even as a cheesy interest news story, this thing has great speculative value – why isn’t it being covered?”
I saw the same pattern of reporting with a couple of other finds, where the same excitement and detailed information, followed by degraded information, followed by silence or disinterest, occurred.
A logical person therefore concludes or strongly suspects that there is something of value there, that is being deliberately blurred out of public focus, and that MH’s “You Need To Know Joe” interview is relevant.
George this is why Billy admonishes the religion and the religiously oriented behaviour of people because the negative consequences of belief and the tendency for people to just believe.
It doesn’t necessarily have to just be about religion.
The bad habit of believing comes in many forms and contexts such as believing everything you see on the news.
So basically everyone is encourage to do their own research and thinking be it about Yonaguni or the Baltic Sea Object.
Yes, I believe there is a real object there which still needs to be evaluated. I’m thinking it might actually date back 79,000 years to the time Malona still existed and that these might have been either warriors or refugees fleeing to the earth from that planet. When I look at even the degraded pictures, I get this eeek feeling in the pit of my stomach and my heart starts to race a bit. It was not a pleasant story that brought that ancient ship to the earth!
Hi Carolyn it could also just be a human made stone structure that at some point in its history was above the water?
I read an article ages ago where some oceanographers of whatever kind were mapping out the sea floor at the time of an earthquake, and found that, due to the earthquake, that the sea floor moved upwards several hundred feet.
We aren’t accustomed to the idea that land and water move up or down a good deal, in a very short span of time.
Therefore, I do not think that there is enough information for us to make any determination beyond “might be a human construct, likely quite old”.
That being said, I also felt something strange when I saw images of the object. It may have been my imagination. Again, not enough information. There is so much deception and delusion in this world that I try to be cautious about things like this. It stinks, because I am a very curious person 🙁
Is it possible that ST could be another one on the cia payroll ? Just asking?
Great piece with Stanton Michael, your passion for the case and your hope for humanity really came through and I think Stanton may have been piqued by that. Here’s hoping he looks into the information with a fully open mind, he’s about to get it blown if he does. Well done both of you, it’s quite historic if he actually does what he says he will do.
Very interesting development , quickly , Stanton sounded weathered and unsharp . He spoke too long on the ‘his doings’ with movies and scripts. He told of Wendell as an acquaintance and not a peer. He moved personal into the frontline instead of science . We could care less of his feelings about art. We are talking about the facts. He shows he meandered around the case quite obviously. Never taking the time to dig in . Lets face it , the time that this came up in his life he should have been out in full song like a reporter , a real reporter , not a physicist on a movie set or writing about science fiction stuff. He also was very clear about his inability or lack of funds to chase the truth and stated MUFON has plenty of truth coming in , or let me interperet , fueling his ability to speak at conferences or speaking engagements to pay for his now broken heart. This guy is a ‘Bill Nye the science guy’ Wanna be . Yeah , Bill , a cartoon away from a paycheck sans science and he is the most famous Scientist on the planet. How pissed would you be if you wanted fame for you self and this ‘Bill Guy’ , a science guy is on the mainstream news and projects glomming on all the fame . How DARE HE!
Now you have all these power struggles with scientists that suck. If I hear another ‘Hawkins’ comment , I will puke. He is rolled out like the pope , words put in his mouth and boom , its on the newscast. Sickening . Now we have Stanton , back from the dead , to try to pay for his heart work ( great oxymoron here ) to drag Wendell through the coals about his life via heresay and he never looked at the facts admittingly. Are we listening to professional wrestling ? Stanton got a degree in the 50’s had a lot of job jumping around and is still stupid in life. So what . He is fine with MUFON having a good 1k reports a month , plenty of fuel for the Hanger 1 re-enactment show. Proof be missing. Friedman spent more time on scripts and movies than the Meier case . You heard it from the POS mouth. Prediction , he dies before he says anything that is creadible.
The obvious point is that you have to invest time to read. So many facets of the writing bring forth a simple question regarding writing style and factions. Its very inherent initially that the writing is hard and pointfull. In most literary examples from history you have a ‘craft’ evident and it is exactly what is questionable . When you get so called prophetic writing its ‘crafted’ and calculated. Here we get a uncolored brunt force of a maelstrom of truth and its very literary ‘hard’ in its delivery. Scientific would be a personal perception , but its more than that when you ascend the material. Its very beautiful in its candor and specific delivery. The relationship between say Semjase and BIlly become evident of love and admiration from both sides and you can actuall feel the admiration of the Plejaran so appreciative to have the acquaintance of Meier. Its still in a hard writing from my end as its translations I read . I aspire to read the actual High German myself. And in bits and pieces I continually learn. But this is epic literary information in its highest form. Truth and history like no other representation ever in our lives. Literary analysis is just another analysis that has yet taken place , and it will , because the greatest story ever told or the unfolding of the truth will not be untold. Who will be the first great literary mind to take on the contact reports and simply read them and speak of the intertwining relationships that were documented. Real talk , real time in the real world. I digest it and its simply epic , no writer ever had such depth and sincerity despite factual quantam leaps in reality just talking of the truth. It should be so obvious for these people and its just a cricket in the background , nobody , NOBODY wants to take a stab at it . If I was an acreddited scholar , it would be a simple decision to make this ones lifes work . I don’t think much more needs to be said. Except , nobody in the history of this planet has said more and documented more with tens of thousand of pages of knowledge that is simply riveting.
I have a theory that those of us who “know” Billy is telling the truth, won’t ever be convinced otherwise. The same is true of those who simply “don’t know”. . . . they will not allow themselves to be convinced either. We heard from the Plejaren (and if you really pay attention to what they have said) that there is a great war going on somewhere in the universe, or in another universe, which we in some way are a part of. How do we know this? Information from the contact reports: 1) Semjase’s husband was involved in some kind of conflict from which he did not return. . .2) Ashtar Sheran and his group made war against Asket’s planet and were destroyed in the process 3) The Bafath group fired on the Plejaren craft and were summarily removed from the planet (and how we may ask were they removed?). . . 4) There are craft visiting this planet regularly which are not part of the Plejaren federation. . . 5) The men in black who were operating out of bases on the planet Mars have been removed and these bases destroyed (presumably by the Sirians). . . . 7) There are many hostile actions going on on this planet at the present time which are not definable with any conventional definitions. I am talking about loud “noises” in the sky, pictures of enormous spacecraft which are defined as anything from “Archonian mothership” to “Haunebus” to “Sirian mothership” to “Athabanian mothership”. . . . and the list goes on and on.
Most earthlings don’t want to admit that they know anything at all about the subject, since as soon as you “know” something, somebody somewhere may want to kill you to shut you up. And that’s why very few people are actively involved in the Meier case, as helpers. Most people don’t want to be involved in extra-terrestrial wars, even though they all are in one way or another, simply by living on the planet earth in these times. Kudos and praise to those of you who aren’t afraid of “Sirian Overlords”, “Men in Black”, “Draconian Reptilians” or Sauron.
Whoa, there Carolyn, let’s tighten it up a bit before we get a big bucket of biuttered popcorn and settle down for the next installment.
1. His craft flew into a sun, an accident, no evil aliens involved.
2. Ashtar’s long gone, no “great war” there.
3. The Baath are also apparently ancient history now.
4. No evidence yet that we’re about to be attacked, invaded, or dragged into that, so far, non-existent “great war”.
5. Yes, removed, destroyed, more (relatively) ancient history.
6. I have a feeling you’re waiting to spring this one on us, you clever little fox!
7. The “Archonian” “Athabanian” who?
And you snuck in the “Draconian Reptilians” and Sauron without even giving them a number? What is this galaxy coming to anyway?
Ha, ha, ha. . . . you know I forgot about the most dangerous people of all. . . . HOBBITSES. . . . .
Yup, them Hobbitseseses are purdy dangerous!!!!
And really, do you honestly think that a Plejaran would “accidentally” fly his craft into a sun???? There’s a lot they’re not telling us. . . .
Accidents happen.They only DON’T happen to…imaginary religious figures, etc.
Come to think of it, you do look a bit “Tookish” to me. . . .
Carolyn, without detailed knowledge of the circumstances pertaining to the event, I would think a Plejaren “accidentally” maneuvering his craft into a sun is perfectly plausible. They are not super-human. There may have been numerous factors they could not have anticipated. In any case, there certainly is a lot they have no interest in sharing with us(yet). But as far as I can tell they have very good reason not to.
It would be great if S. Friedman went to Switzerland to see Billy in person. I’m sure we would all chip in a few dollars for a plane ticket just to see this happen. The rest of the UFO community would definitely take notice.
Hi Norm,
Hopefully he’s motivated to really investigate it now. Also, olease use your alst nametoo when posting so the other people will also know who you are.
Thanks.
I have a concern about some of the comments here.
If people use humiliating language like “MH won” or “Friedman was shredded”, then the effect will be to attack the ego of people like Mr Friedman, causing them to stick to their present beliefs so as to avoid being “wrong”.
Since the point of what MH is doing is to spread information, then anything that stops information from entering the minds of prominent people who may then influence many others is actually hurting MH’s effort.
It is my suggestion, therefore, to simply say “nice to see that prominent people are taking the Meier evidence, and Meier ideas, seriously. These prominent people are obviously intelligent and dedicated. It will be interesting to see what new realizations or information these intelligent, dedicated people share in future, especially since they are in possession of great resources, and an extensive body of knowledge.”
I think that Mr Friedman’s actions from this point on will, largely, define him, as a person, and as a scientist. Real scientists don’t care where information comes from – only that the information is true.
I agree, that’s the spirit in which it be conducted and proceed.
The other thing that this interiew revealed was the proper structure of argument when speaking to people who are very convinced that their own beliefs are right. In particular, the sequence of sentences regarding the story of the judge, and presenting evidence in “his courtroom”, is very effective.
If everybody on this forum learned, say, 3 pieces of evidence very well, whereby Meier said something prophetically that was proven correct in two sets of printed documents (ie 1: the Meier publication and 2: a scientific report), and then used that as the basis of rational, evidence driven discussion on internet forums or personal conversations, then asked for their opponent to provide the same quality of evidence, waiting silently and/or reminding them until they did, then the outcome would be very positive.
I have noticed that many debates about UFO’s etc fail, because they are circular. Someone says “what about this”, with their opponent says “well then what about that”, on and on and on until everyone is calling others names, or is exhausted.
So, nicely done, MH. Perhaps we will see the same pattern replicated by people reading this blog, when they visit other sites, write emails to responsible persons, or during face to face conversations.
I think you make a valid point sir… In the excitement of listening, I let my emotions get the best of me and failed to react in a neutral positive way… If any freidman fans are reading, I apologize. I let my frustrations get the best of me. The most important thing that ever happened to our civilization is right in front of your eyes… Open them and make up your own mind if this case is real. Or not and keep on chasing the lights in the sky. At the very least make up your own mind by thoroughly looking into this case….
I think that Stanton knows a lot that he’s not talking about. . . . maybe for the safety of family or friends. We should be kinder in our thoughts about Stanton. I think he’s on the right side.
Well, he is a nuclear physicist, so he probably knows an awful lot about that. I don’t think any of us have been unkind to him. I’ve exchanged a few emails with him recently, since he asked for evidence that Meier had published prophetically accurate information, etc.