As I have been unhesitatingly critical of the MUFON organization and their nonsensical focus on chasing lights in the sky – while they know and actively suppress knowledge and information about the singular authenticity of the Billy Meier UFO case – it’s truly nice to be able to say that there are those in the organization who are more than willing to openly discuss it.
In much the same way as I enjoyed balancing the ledger, so to speak, in regards to acknowledging the two UK skeptics who interviewed me on their show, I am pleased to have been given the opportunity to discuss the Meier information with MUFON member Lorien Fenton on her show.
While Asket’s information to Meier, in 1953, foretelling the coming existence of MUFON and its very adversarial role towards him, has been absolutely accurate, it’s a hopeful sign that there are more independent freethinkers like Lorien in the organization who are sincerely searching for the truth.
I don’t really understand why they tend to focus on chasing lights in the sky, this is true. My problem with it, it the lights in the sky keeps the whole subject not concrete. When I tell someone I study UFO’s, I often get the responce “Oh you just chase lights in the sky? Where else is your prove?”
This is why unfortunately at the time, its not really possible to tell someone you study the subject.
Hi Sarah,
Personally, I never tell people I study UFOs. I say that I’m spiritual; I say that I am non-religious. I will tell people that I don’t believe things, but I study and try to gain knowledge through experience. I’ll even tell them that I don’t believe in God. When I really want to get a rise out of someone, I’ll even tell them something fanciful like I’m a warlock time-traveler, without a distortion unit. But I’d really hate to mingle with the MUFON types, so I might bust that out for one if I came in contact with one of these cats.
Cheers!
Yea, that’s a good way to go about it.^^
Also I found this article. That contemplates the existance of Jesus. To me his existence isn’t even the point. To me it’s far more likely that it’s an anthology written by the empire to control the poor.
I know it’s off-topic, but I thought it was interesting. Of we know who the real Jesus was.:P
Folks, please be careful with regards to history. The Roman Empire is a very complex issue and covers a very large span of history even if an hour TV show does not make it seem like much had happened. There is no real Roman way of suggesting they intended Jmmanuel’s work to be the foundation of a new religion as that type of phraseology did not exist nor was there a need to do one in the first place considering what the Romans did after Jmmanuel left. That article relies on serendipity rather than hard headed analysis.
Claims like these need to be logically substantiated as there is not an evolutionary need from the Roman Weltanschauung (World View) of creating new religions. I say this as early Christianity was pacifistic that was against Roman conscription and wars. It does not make logical sense for a Roman Emperor to create a religion that would lead to less people being inclined to answer the call of duty regardless of whatever contemporary wording someone comes up with.
There still is no evidence Jesus actually existed. But apparently this point was ignored.
Obviously you do a fantastic job. Nevertheless, some constructive criticism: less breadth, more depth. The jumping all over the place is likely too much for most to take in. You know the material so well and move from this to that so quickly, yet… most people likely have no idea what you are talking about.
That is, perhaps take a play out of Billy’s playbook: answer the question, no more, no less. Especially concerning the more fantastic-seeming stuff, e.g., the history of Billy’s spirit from, etc. For example, regarding a ‘why Billy’ question, perhaps an answer that sticks to ancientness of spirit, maybe merely mentioning a certain former relationship between the two parties, directing them to website for further information…Perhaps when the
whoops, cut myself off there… continuing… the point was, it seems we should not want to unnecessarily let red-flags go up for the already easily distracted… Anyway, just some thoughts on strategy, for what its worth. At any rate, a good interview. Regards.
So this actually would be interesting. I think I might enjoy something like this. But obviously no obligation.:P
I have listened to the show and you were great, Michael. However, I don’t fully agree with your blog post.
” …it’s a hopeful sign that there are more independent freethinkers like Lorien in the organization who are sincerely searching for the truth.”
While it may be true that there are independent freethinkers in the organization who are sincerely searching for the truth, at least the latter cannot be said of Lorien, really. She is clearly more interested in meeting and chatting with people about lights in the sky and going to every stupid UFO conference out there, than finding out the truth. One can not just see this during the interview, but also during the commercial breaks, when she advertises a phony UFO conference type gathering in Texas and some other useless nonsense. She does this in a very seducing way and gullible people will spend their hard-earned money to attend this BS, because of her. My personal prediction for Lorien Fenton: She will not get deeper into the Meier Case for the rest of her life. She might scratch the surface here and there, but that’s it.
Keep trying though, Michael. Maybe other MUFON members who listened to the show, WILL study the case now.
Hi Marco K.! I find your description of me as NOT being an independent freethinker interesting. I “work” by bringing 2 times a week to 2 (and soon a 3rd) radio network guests that I think are shedding light — as best they can — in the UFO, Alien Contact, Conspiracy, Illuminati Controlled Politics, etc. arenas.
Yes, I promote attending UFO Conferences and MUFON meetings on my broadcasts. The reason why? These events give the Masses an opportunity to discuss their experiences and express their beliefs — such as believing in the Meier case — without fear or judgment.
Only by sharing with each other and keeping an “open mind” will the truth of the Alien Conspiracy ever make it’s way to the surface. If the Meier case is the “one true answer” it will, in time, be proven as such.
YES, I am a PROUD MUFON state section director and give a heart felt “hurrah” to the organization for being around for 41 years as a gathering point of “free thinkers” to express their opinions. And when I say “free thinkers” I am referring to the people in attendance at these meetings just as much as the monthly presenters.
After all, it is easy to sit home in front of your computers expressing to the world through comment sections your opinion about radio talk show hosts. I ask, why don’t you start a Billy Meier Meetup Group in your area and gather with people face-to-face instead? There is a reason preachers are always asking “why haven’t I seen you in church lately?” It’s that magical connection that humans make when looking into each others eyes… you can see the truth there…
Better yet, attend (infiltrate, lol!) your local MUFON group and enjoy yourself with some like-minded people. Then after the presentation, when everyone gets together to share information and enjoy each others company — as we call at my meeting, “the real meeting” — you can educate attendees about the Billy Meier case over a a cup of coffee and a yummy slice of apple pie. These are the people that will ACTUALLY HEAR YOU.
One last note, I want to acknowledge Cater Klippel as THE Billy Meier “representative” here in Northern California. He purchases tables at local conferences — at his own expense — to educate attendees about the Meier case. My hat is off to you, Carter, for being a wonderful representative of this amazing case and doing so with class and style. You opened my eyes! Billy and Michael should be proud.
Hello Lorien,
nice to read from you. I had hoped you would read my post, although I didn’t think you would. First of all, I wrote “…at least the latter cannot be said of Lorien…”. The latter was “…sincerely searching for the truth…” You are very open-minded, but that does not mean, that you are sincerely searching for the truth. Radio shows, where people can speak their minds, are a good thing, but there should be some kind of “quality control”, before and/or during the show, that determines if what the speaker says is logical and/or provable. It does not do us any good, when every schizophrenic or charlatan spouts his or her nonsense and lies on the air. This is the entertainment and fantasy level that is counter-productive for our evolution.
I don’t want to share my beliefs with others, I want to share my knowledge, learn new things and support others on their own paths of finding the truth for themselves. The beauty of the Meier Case is, that you don’t have to believe it’s real, you can know it’s real, if you dig deep enough. Do you want to?
Well, what good have 41 years of MUFON brought humanity? What’s the result of MUFONs activities? We have seen misinformation, disinformation, lights in the sky etc. but nothing of real, lasting value.
You are right though, that people should meet up more, instead of just sitting in front of their computers. Instead of infiltrating a MUFON group, which is not my cup of tea, I plan on joining a FIGU study group or creating one in the future.
Yes, but this quality control should be across the board. I’m my experience I’ve met this one guy, who I kid you not, thinks he’s an actual alien. Even though he’s probably not. I don’t know that, but it’s a sinking suspicion.
I appreciate what hosts can do. I would imagine the job as being pretty stressful.
Of course it should be across the board, Sarah. Not only would this save tens of millions of people around the world a lot of time and money, it also would at least slow down the dulling of the mind (Verdummung).
You can find out pretty easily, if this guy is an alien. Ask him for prove. If he doesn’t give you any, he is not an alien, very simple.
My thanks, as ever, to you, Michael, for good that long interview. And all genuine truth-seekers everywhere also owe our sincere gratitude to the very courageous Ms. Lorien Fenton, who – in her capacity as the Northern California Section Director of MUFON, Inc. – not only invited you to speak publicly, but also unexpectedly turned public whistleblower when she alluded to the obvious criminal fraud still going on at the top of her own mendacious corporation, as you also described here in your blog when newly appointed (puppet / stooge / lapdog / traitor – call him what you will) MUFON Chief Executive Officer, Jan Harzan, recently told you, “Oh, it [the Meier case] is real. But it’s too good.”
https://theyflyblog.com/mufons-director-meier-case-real-justtoo-good/07/25/2013
Here’s Lorien’s verbatim answer to your trenchant question, as to why MUFON’s focus remains on chasing “lights in the sky” while defaming the (planet-saving) Meier/Plejaren truth as a “hoax”:
[15:23] “Yeah. No. Y’know, I have a lot of questions myself about why MUFON does investigate certain things over other things, and being the little peon that I am within the organisation – I’m one step above being just a paid member by putting on my events here in Petaluma California for the northern California – I’m considered [to be] a Section Director and [State Section Director] Rubin [Uriarte] is (sic.) my boss, as they would put it, but it’s an all-volunteer organisation made of many different types of people that have different strengths in different things, and what I believe about the organisation is that they – truly at its core the members, as a whole – are very much like myself. They’re very – kind of like, we wanna talk about it, we wanna see about it, we’re NOT scientific, we don’t know how to do – most of us don’t know how to do an investigation, and frankly I think we’re all just mostly – I’d say 85% of us are happy in that role. Y’know?” [18:36] “The other 10% of the group of MUFON I believe are very sincere in doing investigations, but, there’s 5% at the top – and I’m gonna say this as a MUFON member – that are the Board [of Directors] and the people who are involved very much in making decisions – I think that they, for so long, have had some directives coming from different areas other than MUFON – and I’m not gonna say any more than that – that they’re – that it’s becoming harder and harder for them to break free of what they had gotten themselves involved with, and which is keeping them in a silent mode about cases like the Billy Meier case and “Giant Rock”* and just so many things I’ve known about going on over the years where there’s many people that experience the phenomenon and are all talking about it. OK?”
[*http://thechurchofufology.blogspot.com.au/2010/02/legend-of-giant-rock.html]
(I’m confused that Lorien refers to Rubin as her boss in the present tense, when [@2:28] she says, “ … he’s just retired from his job”.)
I could say a LOT more about that interview, but after I spend hours typing away trying to provide largely unknown information here, and then I’m unable to EVER see my contribution published, I rather choose to spend my limited resources doing other things like translating Billy’s books.
And what a crying SHAME that we Earthlings are still so undeniably intellectually primitive that merely Dr. Steven Greer’s EGO (and his silly CSETI circus) have been allowed to so thoroughly sabotage the vital Disclosure Project Witness Testimony! So, Michael, when you’re interviewed about MILABs, cattle mutilations, etc., all you’ve got to go on is Ptaah’s 2007 information*, and you can’t direct the MUFON ignoramuses to things like this: “One of the most sophisticated [fake “ET” production] facilities of this type is in England. A lot of these so-called “reptilian”-looking creatures that people think are extraterrestrial are programmed life forms and bio-machines, and are being created there.”
http://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/gaiaguys/behindthescenes.htm
[*http://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/gaiaguys/Meiersb34.htm]
Regarding all the ironclad scientific proof which you continue to tell your interviewers that you can’t prove (?), here’s the drill:
http://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/gaiaguys/meier.truth.htm
&
http://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/gaiaguys/meier.sdw142.DerfalscheWeg.htm
And I wish you’d NAMED those creeps under the Giza Plateau (until May 1978). They were known as the “Giza Intelligences” until their arrest and deportation by Plejaren Federation armed forces, at which time we were told they are/were called the “Bafath”.
http://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/gaiaguys/AYTF-Giza.htm
But at least you DID manage to work in the name, Jehovah, even though Lorien understandably let THAT one pass without comment!
But I gotta say, Michael, you do a really terrific job with these demanding audio interviews (which are doubtlessly closely followed by billions of concerned Plejaren Federation human extraterrestrials, if not us terrestrial humanoids) given that, due to the language barrier, more than 7/8ths of the proverbial iceberg remains invisible to you. If everybody knew what I’ve learnt about the case (by knowing the untranslated German), the use of the word “alleged” would quickly cease, because the veracity of the information would incontestably speak for itself. And if our planet’s majority non-English speakers knew more about the U.K./U.S. nightmare context of the case, they wouldn’t have spent the last fortnight, over on the German-language FIGU forum, enthusiastically debunking the all too tangible reality of the U.K.’s fake ”ET reptoids”, as pushed so hard by, for instance the BBC’s long-running “Doctor Who” TV disinformation programme, etc.
Please, everybody, do make an effort to support MUFON’s brave Lorien Fenton, because her criminal bosses are NOT going to be at all happy about her now because she might just be on the cutting edge of the end of MUFON’s 41 year long embargo of the iconoclastic truth which not only sets us free, but empowers us.
Cheers!
“… due to the language barrier, more than 7/8ths of the proverbial iceberg remains invisible to you. If everybody knew what I’ve learnt about the case (by knowing the untranslated German), the use of the word “alleged” would quickly cease, because the veracity of the information would incontestably speak for itself. And if our planet’s majority non-English speakers knew more about the U.K./U.S. nightmare context of the case, they wouldn’t have spent the last fortnight, over on the German-language FIGU forum…”
Okay Dyson, first off thank you for all the wonderful translations. I am grateful for your work. Keep up the good work.
But what you don’t get is that some of us can study the English material and get everything we need. I have no intention of learning German so that I can finally learn the truth. Many English speakers can find the truth for themselves. And ‘believe it or not’ there are many, many credible sources that parallel the Meier information coming from the outside. If one is a good study, and really gets the basics of the spiritual teaching; he/she can then take those skills of observation, seeing the laws and directives in nature, healthy criticism, meditation, etc and see the truth without holding Billy’s fricking hand every time and for everything. Just saying mate!
Cheers!
Thanks Anthony!
I’m glad to be of help to you.
And, continuing in that spirit, I’ve gotta tell you that this is simply not true: “some of us can study the English material and get everything we need.”
Need for what exactly? Need for your mere angry-sounding physical survival here on our dying (being murdered) Earth, or need for our collective joyous consciousness-evolution, which has become Earth’s only salvation?
And if you don’t know the German texts, you LITERALLY don’t know what you’re missing, and, furthermore, you don’t even have any logical way of knowing if the translation, which you’re forced to rely upon, is crap, ether through deliberate falsification (think: “Holy Bible”) or common incompetence – and it’s more common than you may believe, because you have no way of knowing. Simple logic?
You write, “And ‘believe it or not’ there are many, many credible sources that parallel the Meier information coming from the outside.” How can you state that when 95% of the Meier information remains forever totally unknown to you? Having already familiarised myself with many many sources of information which are putatively credible (ie. “believable”) I was unable to find ANYTHING which anyone could even remotely logically call “parallel” to Meier’s unique work. Also, independent of my reading, etc., I have ample personal experiential insights which supports this view.
Similarly, the very most important HALF of all Billy’s currently written work – being the 20+ year Geisteslehrer correspondence course (among other texts) – is “never to be translated”.
The translation losses – particularly for English – at best, are utterly enormous and are also absolutely inescapable. And these texts are the only openly published source of this vital information. That’s why Billy and the Plejaren are HERE now, Anthony.
If you read my contributions here and elsewhere, you’ll see that – not only do I do “without holding Billy’s fricking hand every time and for everything” – I also express several personal viewpoints about various dangerous topics which are in direct opposition to things we’re being told by Billy & the Plejaren. We only found Billy in 2002 when I’d already been moving right around the planet – literally – for half a century, so I’m not ignorant of the real world.
So I very much agree with you about not being either dependent or dogmatic, but you are simply wrong in your assertion about English, and if you were familiar with the rest of the German material, you’d be only too painfully aware of that sad fact yourself.
“I have no intention of learning German so that I can finally learn the truth.” This is your choice, but I wonder why you’re here.
Have you read this?
http://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/gaiaguys/meierv7p22-23.htm
Or this?
http://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/gaiaguys/translations.htm
And of course you’re also perfectly free to disagree with Ptaah and the Federation linguists, but that doesn’t make you right and them wrong. I’m not gonna lie to you, mate. In this case YOU are simply wrong. Believe it or not. 🙂
Cheers!
Blah, Blah, Blah, Blah. I do not support Figu; and I do not support their narrow view of the English speaker/student. However, I support exposing religion as nonsensical dependency. I support knowledge vs belief. I support re-incarnation. I support meditation and focused attention. I could go on, but I don’t care to prove anything to you. I think I know how to ride a bike, even though I never read a book on it. Please mate, I am here because I have something to contribute; and I am here because I enjoy the Meier material. That should be enough for you. If you do not like it, go FYS.
You should be happy that I bought your translation. That should be enough for you. Now go translate something else so that English speakers can get more of the special knowledge that you think you have.
Cheers!
OUCH, Anthony!
Talk about biting the hand that feeds you.
No. Just buying “my” book is NOT enough for me. I want it read, studied, contemplated, comprehended, absorbed and ultimately acted upon, so we Earthlings learn (among other things) that every one of our thoughts, words and actions eventually engenders a similar REaction. What you send out comes back to you. Billy never intended his work to be entertainment, because, demonstrably, it won’t work for the person who only takes it that way.
And just to be clear, I’ve never gotten a cent from book sales or any of my other hard work for people who only read English. All proceeds go right back to (non-profit) FIGU to help cover publishing costs.
And you’ll be happy to learn that we’re currently translating Billy’s “Art zu Leben” (“How to Live”), a book which might prove helpful to you.
And, since you “enjoy the Meier material”, may I suggest that you read chapter 7 of the Talmud Jmmanuel?
Salome.
You don’t feed me. I study and look for the laws and directives in nature. I have read well beyond your translations to be fed. Your ego is as big as a small moon. I never talked about the money. You did. You should be happy that there are readers. Get it now? Keep translating and I will get your book. That is how it works.
TJ chapter 7
“22. Beware those who forbid you access to wisdom and knowledge, for they speak to you only to attain power over you and to seize your goods and belongings.”
Sound familiar?
Hi Dyson,
I agree with you 100%. We should all learn German.
Please, learn German. But stop telling me to do it. And stop telling me that I will never understand the Meier material. You German people are like a broken record. I got the message long ago. Let me do it my way.
“How can you state that when 95% of the Meier information remains forever totally unknown to you?”
My answer to you: If you read one Billy Meier book you have read them all. Who are you kidding? Yourself? I guess you need a reason to be the translator authority to gather all your fans/followers.
How many fricking Billy Meier books do I need to read to finally understand the concept of Creation? How many books Einstein? How many books do I need to read to understand that the world is overpopulated by human beings? How many books does it take to fathom what a Creational law is? How many books do I need to read to understand a creational directive? How many Billy Meier books does it take to understand that religion is a scam on humanity? I’m sorry but you are living in a dreamworld if you think that nearly all of the Meier material is hidden behind your German wall.
I agree that German is a superior language. But that does not mean that the English student can not overcome the barriers. I got news for you, authority, I don’t want to think like a German. I want to think like an English. The reason the Plejaren go on and on about German is for the casual reader; not for the serious student who has been exposed to Billy Meier’s highly repetitive subject matter and highly repetitive writing style and has studied it over years. Are you blind to that? I’m tired of being conned by the German authority who bullies the English to learn German so they can catch up. My advice mr. translator, German authority: learn about the law of contrariness.
Cheers! Hahahahahaha
“If you read one Billy Meier book you have read them all.”
Wrong again, Anthony.
Peace.
Hey Dyson,
You fail to acknowledge that despite language barriers and limitations, that it is the self responsibility of the human being to find the truth on this own. And if a human being is sincere in his quest to find the truth, he realizes that truth is not a destination but a process. The main point of the spirit teaching is to become independent, self responsible human beings who dig, and dig, and continue to dig to further their understanding of the concepts.
From the most recent Questions to Billy–Answered:
The two main „spheres“ of learning for the human beings are:
1) To relay on nature, to observe it and to interpret what’s been observed/detected
2) To communicate with one‘s fellow human beings.
Notice that you just bulldoze over my point of finding the truth in nature; and you insist that I should be learning German so that I can finally fathom what is going on. No, mr authority, translator and long winded writer, I choose to look for examples in nature and then try to apply them. Certainly, Billy’s books are a great starting point; but that is all they are.
Cheers!
Well like for some of us, we only need to be told that the world is overpopulated once. Among everything else. While learning German in itself isn’t bad, one question I have is what if the one feeding you the information is less far along? (Notice I didn’t use the D word?).
I mean even in the English material (which is what I’ve primarily read.) It doesn’t take repetition to tell me specific things are absolute toxins.
So yes in short I agree with you on that. I can be a bit long-winded sometimes, when I don’t mean to.
Just to clarify, yes people should only learn German because they have chosen for themselves to do so. To me pressuring others, only makes the situation worse to me.
I mean how long does it take to we are overpopulated? Let’s use an example: The rock goes up, and then it falls down. It’s the same thing describing overpopulation, but it’s less verbose.
“I mean even in the English material (which is what I’ve primarily read.) It doesn’t take repetition to tell me specific things are absolute toxins.”
Hi Sara,
I agree. I too can get it without the repetition. Notice that this Dyson cat is only interested in getting the last word in. He is a bully, pure and simple; and he uses Figu’s German advice to beat people over the head and assume a superior role. Dyson must only be interested in being some sort of Billy Meier celebrity; and gaining power over the Billy Meier people to gather followers. Don’t worry about being long winded. That is not a problem with you. But that Dyson cat goes on and on to try and bury another person’s opinion; and never acknowledges that some of us English-only speakers are probably much further ahead than he is.
Cheers!
PS– I may not be an alien, but I act like one. If you are a single lady I would be interested in showing you around my spaceship:0)
Hi Sarah,
Please do not misunderstand, no one is pressuring anyone to learn German. We are merely stating that German is a more precise language than English, therefore, one could understand the Meier material better if they knew German, especially since Billy writes in that language.
The Ps and Billy always stress free thinking and free will choices as essential to spiritual progress.
Have a great day.
Hi Devine,
For years such statements, stemming from the Plejarens and which Billy has repeated, haven’t rung true in my mind. If true, it would seem to mean that no one not raised in Germany or German-speaking Switzerland could get correct meanings out of English translations of German literature, or at least out of Billy’s writings and the Contact Reports and the reports by witnesses to Billy’s experiences written by e.g, Jacobus Bertschinger, Eva Bieri, Bernadette Brand, Brunni Koye , Freddy Kropf, Guido Moosbrugger, etc.
As a reminder, here are a couple excerpts from Contact Report 241, which you supplied us:
“English speakers simply interpret quite clear concepts differently to what the term actually states.
“For very many words and concepts in the German language there exist no kind of words or concepts of equal value in the entire English language, as well as in many other Earthly languages, neither in the form that they are the same value as would be expressed in German, or that they could describe the German word-idea even slightly, even only in the most distant form.”
This and the rest could mean, Devine, that we could not at all trust your translations of Contact Reports etc., because, after all, when you learned the German language, you learned it by learning the meaning/synonyms in English for each German word you absorbed, and for the prefixes attached to verbs, etc. Nor could we then at all trust what Christian Frehner has translated for us. Nor could we trust what Meier himself has told us in his imperfect English for the benefit of interviewers like Lee & Brit Elders, Jun-Ichi Yaoi, etc.
Of what use would a German-to-English dictionary be if the true meanings of the German words could not properly be translated into English or other languages? In practically every language the textual meaning is conveyed in units of sentences comprised of subject, verb, object and their qualifiers from the other parts of speech, along with the context of adjacent sentences, and this is true of course for German, too, whether the verb comes at the end or not. And the efficiency of German compound words certainly have their foreigh-language equivalents, which however may require hyphenated expressions or more words to convey the meaning properly.
If English translations of the German could not at all be trusted, why did Billy approve the English translations of the TJ, with German alongside (except for noticing later that improved translations of certain English words were frequently needed)?
Of course one must be alert for mistranslations, and you, Devine & Vivienne, have always been careful to state that such might occur even in your work. Should one assume that we’ve all failed to understand the meaning of those particular portions of various German Contact Reports, whose English translations say that only German can properly convey the true meaning? Hmmm, maybe all that itself was a mistranslation!
So I consider this Plejaren theme, which has long been presented to Billy, to be more of the disinformation designed to help keep Billy in a debunked state, for his sake and the long-term sake of the Mission, while at the same time prompting us to remember to think for ourselves.
So I place it in the same category as statements saying that no (or scarcely any?) UFO abductions have actually taken place.
What you say about our not knowing much of the full truth about the Meier case if we haven’t read most all the writings – which means not having read a large mass of material sill only in German, may of course be true. You and Vivienne are to be highly commended for having studied so much of it and providing us with so many good translations (as are also Christian Frehner, Benjamin Stevens and others). Keep up the good work even if we can’t trust that the correct meaning has been conveyed!
Hi Jim, Dyson here. (Devine is my surname)
Thanks for your kind words to Vivienne and me, and your thought-provoking questions about language and translations. It’s such a vast and complex topic that even trying to hit the high spots here on Michael’s blog will be way too much for some, but the first rule of trusting language in general and translations in particular is: common sense must prevail.
Trust is what you do when you have confidence in the integrity of something or somebody. It’s not belief or faith which – the way it’s generally meant in the Meier material – is the acceptance of something as true without logical evidence. In other words, taking something on faith, as opposed to accepting something based on one’s logical deductions – something few of us Earthlings can manage at this stage of our evolution.
How do we know something is true?
http://www. futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/gaiaguys/meier.truth.htm.
But when we start trying to think about languages and verbal communications as deeply as you do in your comments, Jim, we crack a huge Pandora’s box of abstruse philosophical conundrums which just leave your head spinning. We don’t often try to deal with our understanding of deceptively simple-looking human thought-processes at that level of detail, but the subject of translations, which I’ve now read a lot about, demands that of us.
For instance, among people who aren’t monolingual, when someone opens his mouth to speak, the listener has to know what language is being spoken at the very outset – in a sense, before processing the utterance – and, in practice, will have to hear a bit to determine the language before being able to “go back” to comprehend it. This often but not always happens almost unconsciously, but seems weird (to me anyway) once you start thinking about the two data hierarchies involved.
Speaking personally, it was only after I taught myself German as an adult (my first 17 years were in Boston) that I even STARTED to understand the issues that you ask me to clarify here among people who mostly probably haven’t gone far enough into a second language to understand the subtle, complex and largely ineffable nature of the topic. Just to provide my perspective, I taught myself fluent conversational German as a young USAF Sergeant stationed in Stuttgart for three years, and then, migrating to Melbourne and then the New South Wales subtropics, I basically had a 30 year sabbatical where I’d pretty much forgotten what little I’d ever picked up in Germany, and this time I had to do it correctly for a change (in both non-native German and non-native British-English) in order to do justice to this inconceivably important information. Vivienne, born here in Tasmania (Australia), started from zero. I was surprised, after my initial cognitions about the task, in the 60’s/70s, to have many more insights as my modern era understanding of both German and English deepened. These insights are very hard to articulate.
But I think (U.S.) Prof. Douglas Hofstadter does a brilliant job in his Pulitzer Prize-winning non-fiction, “Goedel, Escher, Bach”.
Down a ways under the heading “Minds and Thoughts” he explains: “Although we should recognise the depth to which culture affects thought, we should not overstress the role of language in moulding thoughts. For instance, what we [English-speakers] might call two “chairs” might be perceived by a speaker of French as objects belonging to two distinct types: “chaise” and “fauteuil” (“chair” and “armchair”). People whose native language is French are more aware of that difference than we are – but then people who grow up in a rural area [of the U.S.A.] are more aware of, say, the difference between a pickup and a truck, than a city dweller is. A city dweller may call them both “trucks”. It is not the difference in native language, but the difference in culture (or subculture) that gives rise to that perceptual difference.”
But Billy’s work in particular offers unique challenges to translators, particularly with English, for several reasons other than the above, one of which is his subtle word-play, where, for instance, he’ll say Al Qaeda is behind the September 11th, 2001 massacres, and most folks will naturally assume he’s attributing it to Islamic terrorists with box-cutters, when a more detailed examination of the events quickly proves otherwise to anyone not still hopelessly stuck in denial. Similarly – BEFORE Ptaah told Billy, on his 70th birthday, that MILABs were REALLY behind the “alien” abductions, sexual torture, microchip implants, etc. – we were (almost scornfully) told that people who claim to be abducted by extraterrestrials are liars, frauds and “schizophrenic” (read: mind-controlled through telenotically implanted false memories, visions, etc.), so, if we didn’t know him better, we might not suspect that Billy knows damned well what’s actually going on in the Military Industrial Complex’s “black” Unacknowledged Special-Access Projects (USAPs), as revealed by us Disclosure Project whistleblowers. Billy often skirts the limits of the German language, which thus places him WAY outside the MUCH less precise limits of English! If you didn’t know this – and unless you happen to be German/English bilingual you practically can’t – the strident nature of the Plejaren assertions about language will remain inadequately understood. And when we don’t know that we don’t know something, we come up with the most satisfying conclusion, such as, more “Plejaren disinformation”.
When we start with the Earth as the centre of the whole universe, and the sole abode of all life, created by a god who’s flesh-and-blood, only begotten son was an Earthling, and now we find out that we’re not even within the galaxy’s spiral arms, let alone considered fully human by everybody else, who avoids us for the ignorant dangerous creatures we so obviously are. And our beloved English, which we were all told in school was the best language in the world, is actually a very poor dead language and a mere transient stupefaction tool of the Bafth, to be supplanted as the World Language by German – that comical guttural barking of Hitler ass soon as well evolve into real humans!
And the USA can be spoken of as “the devil incarnate”!
For crying in the sink. No wonder people are upset.
Happily, nobody is encouraged to believe anything of the teachings of the truth. And all those here on this English-language forum who, unfamiliar with both languages, choose to reject – because it doesn’t ring true – Billy, Ptaah, Quetzal and the Plejaren linguists’ information about German vs. English, are perfectly free to do so. The empowering hard truth remains immutable, in spite of the “consensus reality” sometimes expressed here about translations which suggests otherwise. And our unknowingness is as transient as the cloud driven before the wind – to use an aphorism from the OM.
In closing, no, we naturally can’t place our trust – that we’re free of error or misunderstanding – even in Billy’s original German, let alone the translations made by those of us he vetted and designated “official”, not to mention the others who deliberately do a Gospel of Matthew number on Billy, or merely work sincerely but incompetently without any authorisation – which is how I started about a decade ago when the talk was almost exclusively of flying saucers (as opposed to the real message) and almost nothing in English was in print, let alone the modern prophesies, gathering dust in the German contact notes. But, referring to my above hypertext about how to find the truth, we have to make common-sense, logical deductions, and accept that we live in an imperfect world where translations are intrinsically and unavoidably way way more flawed than most mono-lingual people can even begin to imagine.
I hope that’s addressed the questions you raised, Jim. And it’s always nice to see you surface here.
All the very best,
Dyson
Hi Jim and Dyson,
Both of you have made excellent points, but let me say this. I am fluent in three languages, English, Spanish, and French and I can read Latin, but I always think in English when I want to understand something well, because it is the language I use most of the time. I understand what the Ps and Billy are saying about German, and hopefully someday I will learn it, but until then, I think I can understand the Meier material well enough to learn and change into the kind of person that I want to be, even my English understanding of it will suffice.
If all English translations are questionable, then why do we study them? Because we gain enough to make it very valuable.
Thank you.
Hello Jim,
the truth is pretty simple in this case. You can get maybe 90% or even 95% of the meaning from a very good translation, but seldom 100%. Just take the word “mind” for example. What is that? What does an English-speaking person even mean, when he uses this word? There are many other words like this in the English language, which can be interpreted so broadly that it’s very hard to convey a meaning. As a native German speaker, I can tell you that German is more precise than English. It may even be the most precise language on the planet, although it’s not without it’s flaws and the EU and politicians are trying hard to destroy it more and more.
Hi all , I like the Plejaren / Billy Meier information because at the moment I regard it as the best source for some information and until there is a better source , that moment could be quite extended .
I see there is a bit of concern on Skepticism and seeing or seeking lights in the sky ; well that’s where I began ! I feel I have no need for apology on this as through this I found the work of Billy Meier . Because I have been a skeptic on UFO’s , lights in the sky , anti – gravity , electromagnetic energy machines , ( so called free energy ) , electronic medical machines , I have run experiments in the lab ( amateur ) and found all to be true . On lights in the skyI have spent several years in a research group( amateur UFO )and have seen / videoed / photographed many aerial lights which had form ,airborne and displaying obvious anti-inertial performance and I have had a disc pass low and slow over the house at night with multiple small golden lights underneath . Anti-gravity had already been found , no further reason to inquire .
True skepticizm is a healthy tool to use . Here is an example and it did’nt actually happen :-
When I was a young Kid someone told me cow-pats were steeping stones … a lesson was learned that day and the seed of skepticizm was sown .
Do not accept a thing at face value ; look for evidence of fact and when is found supportive then be more toward acceptance .
Be skeptical and avoid being a fool . Many people falsely claim to be skeptics and they are not they are unknowing and like to sound intelligent and should be honest enough to say , I don’t know .
If you claim to be a skeptic and don’t check the known facts , then you are a liar , idiot or both . That’s my opinion .
Hi Michael and everyone else,
Let’s not forget what Asket said:
“70. But the fight for the truth will be very hard because you will have to fight against the lack of understanding and lack of reason of sectarian ufological groups, and so forth, who are strongly anchored in the religious and in pseudo-sciences.
71. In regard to that, take note especially of the coming worldwide organisation for ufological work, MUFON, because – along with various pathological know-it-alls and slanderers of truth – it will be your greatest adversary.”
My experiences with MUFON have proved that to be true.
MUFON is an enemy of truth and Billy’s enemy.
Folks,
There is a Context missing with regards to language in these posts. The material never intended the German language (or mountain/high German for that matter) to be invasive to one’s culture to the point it becomes too much. No one wants someone else’s language or culture to be proselytized to them in other words.
The best thing that could be suggested is something a little bit more obvious and that is doing one’s best to improve the communication of your OWN language. For example, you cannot hand a PHD physics book to someone with no background in mathematical physics as at a certain point mathematical theorems do look and behave like a language of their own.
Also, language is communication on one level that is trying to convey a logical construction in another level. This is the chief failure of the UFAILO community and MUFAIL in that at the end of the day you really do not have anything substantive to construct a better understanding than what you had before. The communication is virtually similar or the same information just being repackaged for newer and newer audiences as each generation moves on and the next spends their money and time to it.
Point being is that there is nothing further technically you can obtain or achieve from MUFAIL or the UFAILO Community that relies on serendipity. The Meier material at least on some level does provide another level of information if one desires to understand by making a technical effort to learn another language that uses the language to make a more specific, logic, and technical point.
For example, not many people are going to make the technical effort to know the difference between mild steel and RHA Steel. Also, not many people looking at the alleged circus ‘crash at Roswell’ will be able to ascertain technically whether or not such events happened, were accidental, a weather balloon, imagination, junk saucers not equipped to deflect rudimentary radio waves, or any combination of the above.
But that’s the problem. I don’t mind learning German. But I’ve lost desire to learn it, because it’s being tossed at me. Japanese may have it’s own problems, but it’s not being super promoted.
Sarah, Billy is Swiss. He writes in German. Thousands and thousands and thousands of pages. Nobody’s forcing anybody to learn to read if s/he doesn’t want to. Simple?
Hi again Sara,
I could not agree with you more. I never had a distaste for learning German until these German Figu know-it-alls have been beating me over the head with it. I now don’t like German and have no intention of learning it. I want to show these know-it-alls that we English can not only get it, but surpass their stupid asses.
If anything, I would like to learn Chinese. After all, if we want a job and opportunity is about 7 years or so, it will be a must.
Cheers!
Really, who actually phones MUFON? No one I know. The people I know who had cattle/horse mutilations phoned the vet or the cops or didn’t tell anyone. So what would MUFON have been able to provide? Are they going to tell me it was ET? We all know that sick humans like to take “parts” and sell them on the black market. Canada has 1,100 approved drones which can account for most lights in the sky. Recently Toronto police have admitted to using drones with ultra spy cameras to spy on citizens…as do all countries that are part of the eye five. Thanks Dyson for the article about the rogue elements. Time travel abilities makes sense since the 1,800 lb horse had been transported back into the barn from a mile and a half away. I often wondered why they would kill it (and take its heart) and then put it back into its stall. Were they being nice…I don’t think so. So that’s why I feel the dirty rotten rogues must have used time travel and that was on Oct. 27, 2008. Five years later I’m sure the technology has only gotten better.
Maybe MUFON should investigate Bigelow Aerospace…oh wait that’s the company that MUFON advises of each new sighting and who gets first dibs. Just like SpaceX which posts youtube “UFO sightings” on their website so they can see the reaction their craft have on people. It would be interesting to know how much funding Bigelow Aerospace gives MUFON. Maybe Lorien Fenton could do some real investigative reporting and find that out. I would gladly offer my auditing skills for free.
Hi Dyson,
I think you’re close with regards to Earth humanity understandings but somehow do not apply what you appear to have discovered in a modern sense towards the rest of previous history. People have a very easy way of viewing the past in terms of it being agree-able sounding at the cost of actuality. This is in part the lack of modern day tools, equipment, and analytical devices just as much as it is a lack of will, want, or desire to leave the comfortable unifying nature such agreements provide and would rather, in a pliable manner, comply than fully accept or understand the finer points of an evolutionary judgement. There is a distinct lack of comfort when someone walks out of the agreement bubble society places where folks eventually do feel the need to go back, and in some cases do even if they have said they knew better at one point.
For example, you say specifically, “When we start with the Earth as the centre of the whole universe, and the sole abode of all life, created by a god who’s flesh-and-blood, only begotten son was an Earthling, and now we find out that we’re not even within the galaxy’s spiral arms, let alone considered fully human by everybody else, who avoids us for the ignorant dangerous creatures we so obviously are. ” I have to ask, how do you know whether or not the majority of Earth humanity prescribed to such notions when such deep mental acceptance is virtually impossible to verify to the letter what you describe in such things? In other words, we in a modern sense have come to understand our ancestors were mostly illiterate. Therefore, we cannot expect the majority of them to verbally understand to the letter the textual evidence of philosophy we have that remains from the past.
Whenever I start out discussing religion in history I always make the case that people had a different understanding of what “God” means to them mainly to point out something obvious but to act as a road sign to signal to them they’re going to leave their personal bubble. Otherwise, we run into what we call in the modern sense culture shock even though it is also in every sense “history shock” where one cannot change their understanding of history even in light of better evidence is present.
You will find in most cases folks will simply be honest on what they feel even if it is very antagonistic. That should signal to you something especially if it is an honest response. This is the same when someone gives an honest opinion on the Disclosure Project. I have a better time listening to Wendell Stevens than I do with Steven Greer mostly because the driving Ego is missing from Wendell and you get a sense of honest analysis and interpretation. That’s not to say Steven Greer is not literally honest, it is just that there is a clouded umbrella over the material where he becomes more important than the material itself. When that happens you have un-necessary sound bites come across the channel that is generally attempting to make up for something lacking.
I hope this helps.
Thanks, Duke.
You write, “I have to ask, how do you know whether or not the majority of Earth humanity prescribed to such notions when such deep mental acceptance is virtually impossible to verify to the letter what you describe in such things?”
The majority of Earth humanity is obviously neither Christian nor English-speaking U.S. Americans, so obviously I wasn’t referring to the majority of Earth humanity and I never meant to give anyone here the mistaken impression that I was. I was only referring to the people who are so obviously upset about the challenges which Billy provides to the Western, 1st-World, anthropocentric/egocentric paradigm which those people obviously like to believe in, along with other wrong ideas like the natural supremacy of the whites, the USA/UK and their language and culture, etc. The antagonism to learning the language of the topic we’re supposedly all here to study is one example, but – naturally – an English language forum about the whole of the Meier material is unlikely to attract anyone (except to assist) who has access to the other 95% of the material, so those English language media will naturally not represent the majority of serious students worldwide.
I surfaced here to try my modest best to correct the ongoing, uncorrected and quite serious misunderstandings of those who were apparently genuine about asking for help in surmounting the huge language barrier the Meier case represents here. And one quite serious misunderstanding is that, “we have to find the truth on our own”, (which seems a strange thing to write as a published comment on a popular Internet blog). No. Not according to the renewed teachings. Those among us who CAN assist, are OBLIGED to do so – if asked in honesty. And on a forum, those who do ask in honesty are often shouted down by a vocal minority. A helping hand can be stretched out, but assistance is impossible if that hand is not grasped. (As an example, Billy writes, but he doesn’t translate.) And we are not “on our own”. We earthlings actually represent a planetary “we-form” and are obviously all in the same small sinking boat, and the core of the teachings tells us that we have to learn to love one another and all work together or we’ll all die together. That’s how it works.
It’s also worth recalling that the arrogant scorn, ridicule and angry antagonism directed at the idea of intelligent ET life is not only very historically recent, but has never fully penetrated the rest of the world the way it has in the “West”, particularly as represented in the corporate media and on Internet blogs and forums, which are – according to Ptaah, other reliable sources and plain common sense – thick with wolves in sheep’s clothing, as well as the less disguised ones.
But your use of the word, “listening”, Duke, when you mentioned Stevens’ and Greer’s egos gave me an insight. Greer’s talking shouldn’t be construed as the real issue here. That’s the main point I’m (still) trying to make with very little success. It’s the sworn testimony of us 500 or so Disclosure Project military/industrial INSIDER whistleblowers that is so vitally important, not just the tout/barker standing OUTSIDE the tent. The important material is found in thick books and waits to be read by anyone who still has an attention span long enough to allow it.
Salome.
Hi Dyson,
I do what I can to help the discussion along considering the massive amounts of time it takes to post here, at least in my case. So much so that I do my best to give the impression in the hopes it may lead to an improvement down the line rather than an abject refusal to see an issue.
That being said, I’ve run through the witness testimony in a deconstructed manner as the way it is set up does not necessarily mean two witnesses are exactly talking about the same issue but rather have similarities. After all, I floundered to the Meier material by accident as a few folks were adamant about the existence of ‘Tall Nordics’ and essentially mentioned the Pleidians of Billy Meier.
I have a gut feeling that the present English used in the ‘Tall Nordics’ phenomenon are too similar to some of your translations. Not completely in exactness obvious as I believe it may have used the other English translated works not done by you specifically into a mixed pan. At one point, “Tall Nordics” became short people because they live on a small planet with higher gravitational pull which makes their bones frail. How they are still called tall in comparison to Usain Bolt sounds a bit nutty other than an attempt to remain consistent when the literal language itself is non-supportive of such a disposition. So, even if you feel like you’re translations are inadequate or not perfect to the German version, at least it makes it easy to see possible plagiarism from other alleged ET contacts and information.
Also, going about saying that any alleged ETs are here to stay, the sky is full of ETs (which sounds very close to middle ages belief the heavens were filled with angels and demons until the Renaissance ridiculed such religious behavior and “the Church” for entertaining the notion), or in communication or working with governments still seems a bit off to me in consideration of what the Meier material has in it. After all, the alleged Plejarans are sounding off a farewell message and essentially went and asked all the alleged ETs to leave Terra, not to pack the skies or go on vacation or clubbing in Las Vegas!
In light of this, some have implied an alleged quarantine of the Earth with various reasons and what not which at the surface seems logical, but only at the surface level. Reading the Meier material, which discuss all types of possibilities and surface arguments depending on how the conversation is going, I have found out there is no real quarantine on Earth in the sense of disease or outbreak. If anyone has attempted to piece together this behavior you can see it is in response to the Bafath’s interference in creating a savior-belief scenario over all the other reasons. This is in addition to the suggestion of a distinct nameless collection of stupid people that literally painted a bulls-eye on themselves for any alleged ETs to save Earth humanity and pose as saviors. So, of course, the Meier material suggests in that time frame any alleged ETs will NOT show up on stage at the allotted time and quite direct in saying they’re not coming back anytime soon and that no one is in contact with ETs other than Billy. In makes sense in that regards in consideration of the unsaid behavior and actions.
To add and going slightly away from that, there is some interesting but unexplained technique the Bafath use with regards to the operating behavior of the lights in the sky:
Poison Gas Breathers (literally poison gas breathers!):
http://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/Contact_Report_452
Ptaah
11. They had to escape, because they also caused mischief on the world where they lived and were pursued by security forces of their home-world.
11. Sie mussten flüchten, weil sie auch auf der Welt, wo sie lebten, Unheil anrichteten und von Sicherheitskräften ihrer Heimatwelt verfolgt wurden.
12. Yet it was, however, some other earth-foreign fraternised factions, who were part of the Gizeh-Intelligences, who were in contact with these and had their bases with them.
12. Es waren aber noch einige andere erdfremde verbrüderte Gruppierungen, die zu den Gizeh-Intelligenzen gehörten, mit diesen in Kontakt standen und bei ihnen ihre Basen hatten.
13. We don’t consider these also one of the Earth-foreigners of course, that I mentioned to you.
13. Auch diese zählen wir natürlich nicht zu den Erdfremden, die ich dir nannte.
14. Still you are mistaken respecting the sirian Men in Black, because these also formed links with the Gizeh-Intelligences from the beginning, also like the faction of Ashtar Sheran.
14. Doch bezüglich der sirianischen Black Men irrst du dich, denn auch diese waren von Anfang an mit den Gizeh-Intelligenzen liiert, wie auch die Gruppierung des Ashtar Sheran.
15. The Gizeh-Intelligences controlled all approaches to the earthly airspace for millennia and forced all those, who they could use for themselves, into the alliance through despotism and a forcible change of power of judgment and attitude.
15. Die Gizeh-Intelligenzen kontrollierten seit Jahrtausenden alle Einflüge in den irdischen Luftraum und zwangen alle jene, welche sie für sich nutzen konnten, durch Despotismus und eine gewaltsame Veränderung der Urteilskraft und der Einstellung zur Verbrüderung.
16. Since, however, you have never asked and apparently were also not therein interested regarding these connections, we also have never spoken about it.
16. Da du aber nie danach gefragt hast und offenbar auch nicht daran interessiert warst bezüglich der Zusammenhänge, haben wir auch nie darüber gesprochen.
…
Ptaah
18. Unfortunately you are mistaken, dear friend, because the strangers were not members of our federation, but they belonged to another group of the Gizeh-Intelligences and were stationed also with these, whereby they had to make an emergency landing in Brazil at that time and were captured by the Brazilian-group.
18. Du irrst leider, lieber Freund, denn die Fremden waren nicht Angehörige unserer Föderation, sondern sie gehörten zu einer weiteren Gruppe der Gizeh-Intelligenzen und waren auch bei diesen stationiert, wobei diese damals jedoch in Brasilien notlanden mussten und von der Brasilianergruppe gekapert wurden.
19. Actually they were poison gas breathers, who all died, when their respiration-equipment failed.
19. Tatsächlich waren sie Giftgasatmer, die alle starben, als ihre Atmungsgeräte versagten.
20. They could not leave the earth anymore, because their interstellar drive was completely destroyed, which was a work of the Gizeh-Intelligences, as we found by experience through the members of the Sirian group.
20. Die Erde konnten sie nicht mehr verlassen, weil ihr interstellarer Antrieb völlig zerstört war, was ein Werk der Gizeh-Intelligenzen war, wie wir durch die Angehörigen der Sirianergruppe in Erfahrung brachten.
21. The reason for the destruction of the drive was so that they could not flee, because the Gizeh-Intelligences had a `change` in fundamental attitude.
21. Der Grund der Zerstörung des Antriebes war der, dass die nach dem Sinn der Gizeh-Intelligenzen gesinnungsmässig nicht fliehen konnten.
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In case any one missed it, there is an odd way of trying to ascertain how only an interplanetary drive would be damaged yet nothing else is mentioned with regards to the rest of the ship being damaged or occupants aware of sabotage. Assuming the drives are housed in-side a vessel, how exactly can one damage a drive through a force field and matter of a ship with the crew being none the wiser? Is it possible there is some defective components on the drive that would make it blow up? Is there a hitherto unknown shielding these drives were not designed to fight off? Can we extrapolate that and suggest the alleged USAP craft have an Achilles heel?
Though I don’t see a copy of Contact 67 on the futureofmankind site.
I hope this in some way helps as things left unsaid can be vitally important with consideration of everything else.
Dear Duke,
Thanks for all that.
The “quarantine” of our planet was described by Asket in 1953.
They obviously don’t have a quarantine in the same way that we might, with force being used to keep people out or in, like in a “lockdown” scenario.
The word “decree” is a bit strong, and these days FIGU generally advises “instruction” for “Bestimmung”. I used “regulation” at line 89. All that demonstrates that the translator has to know the background of the material BEFORE a good translation can be made, and I can’t get Asket’s email address to ask her to clarify.
https://figu.org/dict/node/1670
(Asket) 86. Jeglicher Vorstoss und jeglicher weitere Besuch der Erde wurden verboten, und es wurde gar die Bestimmung erlassen, dass wenn sich einmal unverhofft ein Schiff auf die Erde verirren sollte, und keine Fortkommensmöglichkeit mehr finden sollte, sich die ganze Besatzung mit dem Schiff zusammen total zu eliminieren habe.
86. Any advance, and any further visit to the Earth was forbidden, and a decree was even issued that, if, unexpectedly, a ship should stray onto Earth, and no further possibilities of progress could be found, the entire crew, together with their ship, must totally eliminate itself.
87. Dies geschah denn auch tatsächlich bald nach Erlass dieser Bestimmung, als ein sich noch im irdischen Raume befindliches Grossraumschiff sich nicht mehr von der Erde zu befreien vermochte, wo es während mehreren Monaten mit schweren technischen Schäden in dem Lande versteckt gelegen hatte, das ihr Russland nennt.
87. This actually also then soon happened according to the decree of this regulation, when a huge space ship, still in the terrestrial area, was not able to free itself any more from Earth, where it had lain hidden for several months with severe technical damage, in the country which you call Russia.
88. Das Schiff vermochte sich nur noch wenige hundert Meter hochzuarbeiten und sank dann wieder ab.
88. The ship was able to lift itself up only a few hundred meters and then sank down again.
89. Der Bestimmung gemäss, dass sich keine Raumschiffe usw. der Erde mehr nähern durften, war so auch jede Hilfeleistung unmöglich.
89. In accordance with the regulation that no spaceships, and so forth, were allowed to approach the earth any more, all outside assistance was also impossible.
90. Auf der Erde stationierten anderweitigen Rassen aus dem Weltenraum wurde andererseits untersagt, dem havarierten Schiff Hilfe zu bringen, weil unter der Besatzung eine irdische Seuche ausgebrochen war, die für diese Lebensform sehr gefährlich war.
90. Other races from outer space, stationed on the earth, were, on the other hand, forbidden to bring the damaged ship assistance because, among the crew, a terrestrial epidemic had broken out which was very dangerous for this life form.
http://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/gaiaguys/fermi.htm
Of course she’s referring to the Tunguska event.
http://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/gaiaguys/Tunguska.htm
As to the “Illuminati’s” [identified by their symbols and shibboleths] various “Pleiadian Semjase Starseed” types* out there who obviously ape the bizarre “English” Billy wants us to use for the quirky German the P’s speak – I think it’s hilarious and at the same time pathetic, like a pompous televangelist or politician who says, “ask not” instead of “don’t ask” or “do not ask”. But you’d know how much people are influenced by the medium, as opposed to the message. They see the shadow, not the substance. And the status quo folks must know they can’t win this quiet revolution of truth, but they print the money, eh?
And I’ve never claimed that the DP testimonies were the be-all and end-all, only an important source of often corroborating info which, as with Billy’s, forms a compelling “Big Picture” and shouldn’t be ignored, much less conflated with Greer’s ego and trashed.
Cheers!
*http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I_albYMT1ZU
Just clicked on that video you linked–800,000 views! jeez la weez. How do the Billy Meier piggy-backers get more attention than the truth itself?!? Arg. As much appreciated as your translations are, maybe your efforts would be better directed at making some trippy PLEJAREN video. That was a joke. But what the heck; why is fantasy so much more appealing to so many than reality???? Ugh. So maddening. Excuse my venting…
Sometimes things have an uncanny feel to them when we’re talking about fantasy videos on the internet.
*http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tv3fa_eIMZY
The problem is, we have no true way to verify whether the “majority” of earth humans believed in any god at any previous points. It doesn’t work, because it’s very generalized. So even to see the majority of Earth humans “believe” has so many problems in this regard.
I have taken a largely hands off approach to my blog in the sense that I haven’t censored, or rejected, posts in the past, other than spam. I’ve done this, first, because I like to think that people who study the Meier material and come to post their responses to my blogs are reasonably mature and self-responsible. The second reason is that over the years I have been – and continue to be (https://theyflyblog.com/spineless-skeptic-still-cant-handle-the-truth/10/16/2013) – censored on mainly skeptical blogs when I take them to task, refute their information, etc.
Certainly, and mainly in years past, I’ve come out swinging my own sword and raising various forms of unholy hell with my opponents. I think it’s fair to say that I’ve, at least somewhat, mellowed over time and also found better ways to make my points than by being so abrasive, etc. I also must say that my own battles have obviously been with people who not only oppose but strongly attack the Meier case, its evidence, information and, of course, Meier himself.
Since that isn’t the issue with the vast majority of people here, as they happen – but AREN’T required – to be supporters of the Meier case, such acrimony isn’t at all productive, nor does it reflect well on the professed understanding of the very material that is the common study.
The unnecessary and inappropriately hostile exchange going on in this post needs to be terminated. The essential disagreements of course about the value, need, etc., of learning German – especially in regards to the benefits of better, fully and accurately understanding the Meier material, and the spiritual teaching in particular – have been expressed. That isn’t the overall topic under discussion and, no matter what the topic of any blog, I’m not going to approve comments that cross the line that include profanity and ad hominem attacks.
Hi Michael,
Very well said. There is no reason why everyone cannot be civil and polite. Expressions of anger and/or profanity are simply stupid and have no place on a great blog such as this one. We can all agree to disagree respectfully at times.
Thank you for all of your great efforts in the dissemination of truth.
You are definitely one of a kind.
Thanks Michael.
I’m happy that you’ve acknowledged that there are bound to be sincere readers, today and in the future, who come here in honesty to learn about the totality of the true teachings – as opposed to just the tiny percentage in English – and that the recent attacks here can be reduced to the point where these lines from the Talmud of Jmmanuel no longer apply.
TJ 7:9,10 “You shall not give sacred things to the dogs, nor throw your pearls before the swine, lest they trample them with their feet and turn on you and tear you apart. Truly, I say to you: Do not throw your spiritual treasure into the dirt and do not waste it on the unworthy, because they will not thank you and will tear you apart, for their understanding is small and their spirit is weak.”
A few months ago I took the trouble of translating an article, about how interpersonal disputes are to be handled, from Billy’s most recent book:
https://figu.org/shop/b%C3%BCcher/gesetze-und-gebote-des-verhaltens
And it’s now entering the final stages of formal authorisation at FLAU Inc., so that should surface soon and I think it might help.
And “Die Art zu Leben” (How to Live) rolls along slowly.
https://figu.org/shop/b%C3%BCcher/die-art-zu-leben?language=en
And thanks again, Michael for all your good articles and for (hopefully!) providing a place – which we wouldn’t otherwise have – where the atmosphere reflects our requirement to love one another, so I can continue to try to spread a bit more of the often inconvenient truth to those who come here looking for it.
Cheers!
MUFON, being the largest and one of the oldest major Ufology organizations in the world has had US government involvement and shady financial dealings with Bigelow Aerospace.
English is my native language and I also know Lao. Although I briefly took German in my middle school. Dyson, what is the best method to learn German, based off your experience? I have plenty of time to learn. What are your thoughts on Rosettta Stone?
Dear gchamp.
Since you ask, based on my own personal experience, first, while still a teenager, try to fall in love with a pretty German girl who doesn’t speak a word of English, then suddenly get sent TDY “temporary duty” to Belgium for the summer, buy a small German/English dictionary, from which, to get started, you literally memorise about a hundred most important German words (“who, where, why, how, when”, etc.) and from which you spend evenings in the Air Force base library laboriously writing love letters in German. Then be shipped back to Stuttgart and go as native as your circumstances allow. And since I spent 3 years doing “24 hrs. on, 48 hrs. off” shifts as an Air Traffic Control Radar technician (where I watched high-speed UFOs on my search screens and learned about the cover-up) I soon got to the stage when – 6 months after my European discharge, and once safely on the migrant ship to Australia – I discovered to my surprise that I could just barely speak my native tongue, being American “English”.
These exact circumstances may be a little hard for you to emulate, gchamp, but suffice it to say that everybody tends to learn best in her/his own individual way and there are a lot of free resources on the net which would make the task easier for you in the 3rd millennium than it was for me back in the dark “Viet Nam era”. Try searching “free German courses” or something like that.
I’d like to add that I’d warn against computer translation programs. I’m NOT a Luddite. But going down that “easy” road can lead to a dependency and a severe retardation or even an ongoing incapacity to ever learn the language sufficiently yourself. As with everything, the road to real success in German is narrow and stony, “hemmed with wound-tearing thorns”, but I guarantee that your accelerated brain will ultimately love you for it.
I hope this has helped, and I wish you all the best. I almost envy you your discovery of the delights that await you within the Meier material.
Cheers!
Sorry, gchamp – the Rosetta Stone – I’d forgotten you’d asked.
I actually was fortunate enough to get up close and personal with it when I was in London in 1972 and it was a little like seeing a famous movie star in the flesh who’d previously always only been an image on the silver screen and magazines. I knew how big the inscribed surface was, but somehow I had childishly imagined that it was just a flat tablet, not a huge thick lump of stone like a broken boulder.
I was very impressed indeed and I can still see it clearly in my mind’s eye some 40 years later. The single archaeological discovery of that big black rock resulted in revolutionary changes in our understanding of the historical record, filling in a LOT about ancient Egypt, when the long-lived ET “gods” (and their hybrid Earthling offspring) were still on the throne, as historically described in Herodotus’ accounts.
Imagine how the historians of the distant future will have to rewrite the books when Billy’s info is finally accepted!
Cheers!
Just going to add, we also find out some really small information regarding devastation of bronze age civilization collapse which Egypt was forever changed by the “Sea Peoples” where many other civilizations went to dust.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bronze_Age_collapse
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sea_peoples
Also, for modern history David M. Glantz has done a good review of the German-Soviet War doing some very detailed analysis. A very very small piece of his voluminous work is here on a youtube lecture:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Clz27nghIg
I think no one seeing the full picture and scale of Soviet Operations could EVER doubt the Russian capabilities in the Henock Prophecies.
For some reason a comment that Dyson was trying to submit regarding the Rosetta Stone language program didn’t appear, so here it is:
Ummm. DUH! “Rosetta Stone” … not “THE” Rosetta Stone.
Sorry, gchamp. Please forgive my baby-boomer stupidly. :-/
I don’t know anything at all about it except what I just read here:
http://www.mezzoguild.com/2013/04/19/rosetta-stone-review/
I’m not now so much a typical German-learner as an impoverished, self-taught, amateur translator – two very different species – so the idea of spending that enormous amount of money on a language-learning program like Rosetta Stone, as opposed to spending the same amount on a stack of thick dictionaries, just seems silly. Similarly, as I’ve already related here, I’d rather work (learn) alone at my own idiosyncratic pace.
On my cursory examination, it seems like a trendy rip-off to me.
Sorry I couldn’t offer a more informed opinion for you.
Cheers!
Hi gchamp,
I have used Rosetta Stone. It is a good aid in learning a language. Of course, the best way to learn a language is to live in a country where it is spoken.
All the best.
Thanks for your opinions, I have plenty of time so a slow pace wouldn’t be a bad idea, now time to fine more German speakers.