Aerospace expert Matthew Wieczkiewicz focused on inexplicable anomalies in Meier’s still irreproducible UFO photos
On Friday evening, October 16, former NASA engineer Matthew Wieczkiewicz presented a two-hour examination into several UFO photographs taken by Billy Meier. These included photos taken in in 1975, 1979 and 1980.
While many people are familiar with the classic disk shaped UFOs that Meier photographed from as far back as 1964 – with all of the largely unrecognized, stunning implications of that evidence – Matthew focused particular attention on the highly controversial WCUFO and Energy Ship photos and the independent analyses done by Rhal Zahi and Chris Lock, which authenticated them as large, unknown objects and not models, or special effects of any kind.
Matthew’s own highly accomplished background in the aerospace industry lent weight to his professional assessment of Meier’s evidence. It was evident in the way he also explained pertinent facts about Meier’s camera and the methodology used by Zahi to establish the size of the WCUFO. He and Arizona MUFON State Section Director Becky Solon read some relevant dialogue, such as this pertaining to the WCUFO, which helped to bring to life the interactions between Meier and Semjase.
Matthew pounted out that the visit by the Nabulaner in their Energy Ships resulted in a rather displeasing report to the Plejaren, which shed more light on the enormous complexity of the contacts, Meier’s responsibilities and the real life conflicts that occasionally arouse between him and the Plejaren regarding the fulfillment of his duties and those of his group members.
But perhaps most interesting in the presentation on the Energy Ships were the many details contained in Zahi’s analysis of the photos that established their authenticity and showed the impossibility that these remarkable photos were hoaxed.
MUFON Asks about…MUFON
In light of what she has herself been learning about the Meier case, which was again increased by this presentation and her participation in it, MUFON representative Becky Solon asked me, “Why hasn’t Jan Harzen had MUFON officially investigate the Meier case?”
I explained to Becky that for MUFON to actually investigate and recognize the singular authenticity of the more than 73 year-long, still ongoing, contacts between Meier and the Plejaren would effectively…put them out of business.
After all, as I already pointed out here, it’s pretty clear (even from what another MUFON representative openly stated) that they don’t want to find what they pretend to be looking for.
Rematch!
Since I just barely nudged out* nuclear physicist and UFO researcher Stanton Friedman in our last debate, and because he has a long professional association with MUFON, I’ll be asking him about this too in our second debate, upcoming on November 11 on the zone, hosted by Rob McConnell.
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Michael, lately I’ve been reading some of the information written here on theyfly.com and I want to say I am in awe of the massive amount of work you have done and contributed. I really don’t think some people really realize how much and this blog post shows just another example, thank you.
Thanks Ev, and I think it also shows that there are other people out there, like Matthew, Bruce and Greg, etc., who are busy doing a lot too.
Wow, it looks like Bruce and I have been receiving the same impulses! Also out there are translators, FIGU passive members, the Core group, and those who participate in the meditation. One thing I picked up from visiting FIGU is that there are every day people from all over the world, whose search for the truth both ended and began once they found and then followed up on the Billy Meier case.
Good efforts to you Greg, Bruce and many others unnamed here.
Very encouraging, your work is paying off in jackpots,
The stony truth overshadowing the lie. The lie can never rest, needing to be on guard to constantly change and adapt to the truth, which gains power through an obvious contrast..
This is a victory in the overall for Billies mission.
Hi MH,
Is the two-hour examination by M. W. going to be made available for us to see?
Hi Dennis,
It wasn’t filmed.
Shame about that 🙁
Very good to hear one or two other people are beginning to take a candid and objective view of these photographs. Thanks, Michael.
it is good to hear. It’s only a matter of time that some will lose interest in “lights in the sky” and begin to take a deeper look and what is the most deep, all encompassing case but the Meier material? So it stands to reason that some of the more discerning and intelligent ones will have a look, a deeper look, and hopefully have a look past the hoopla and hoaxers that flight so hard to discredit. In my opinion this “fighting so hard” stems from fear.
When younger I showed my art a few times in public and I watched, from across the room a group of women I knew laughing at one of my pieces. Some months later one of these women came to me after she took an art appreciation class to tell me that she got it, she got my art. She never knew that I had seen her/them laughing, I didn’t tell her even then. 🙂 At the time I was watch all the snickering my thought was – I am glad my art stirred something inside.
I look forward to any possible communication of this event whether it be fall out or advancement in what Matthew Wieczkiewicz or Michael experiences.
Thanks, Ev. I’ll post any info, feedback, etc., that comes my way.
And I know what you mean regarding the art thing. I was in art school and had some trouble of my own…until one of my teachers wanted to buy one of my paintings (see some here: http://www.theyfly.com/Michael-Horn-Artwork.html)
‘The images below are of some of Michael’s original, award-winning paintings, done between 1961 and 1965…without drugs’.
Michael Piccaso Rambrant Horn, then what were the ones you did with drugs?
Funny thing…I don’t remember.
They look somewhat Henri Rousseau-esque.
He was a big fan of mine (and obviously an early practitioner of time travel.
You would think so. His style looks far beyond his time.
When my son cries out and chucks a tantrum my wife and I are not the only one’s who hear his cries.
So I hope more and more people do take notice of yours Michael even inadvertently because eventually the baby needs to be fedone way or another.
I`m glad people here in the US are finally listening and taking Billy and the P`s very seriously here in the US MH. It`s time we caught up with the rest of the world as far as Billy and the P`s are concenred,at least the US is finally taking the WCUFO photos very seriously MH. Keep plugging away and keep up the good work MH. “”Let`s hope all those prophecies don`t turn into real predictions. George Noory said people are finally waking up and relizing that we ‘DON`T” want to get hurt anymore,enough with all the warmongering and negative ET`s! We want the ‘GOOD” ET`s from the Plejaren Federation or even better! We NEED to save this planet NOT destroy it!”
Ahh, it’s a shame it wasn’t recorded. Too many people get hung up on credentials and use it as an excuse to ignore this case. Hearing it come from someone with “NASA” beside their name makes all the difference for these types. At least someone from MUFON has taken notice although it sounds like she missed the memo on avoiding the Meier case 😉 I’m curious to know what her reaction was to finding out the real reason MUFON plays down the Meier contacts. Anyway, it’s great to see the 2nd debate with Stanton has been scheduled. I’m quite honestly surprised he agreed to it considering the close* race last time. This might be the cynic talking but I don’t expect anything more than him trying to avoid the science at every turn and instead diverting the flow of discussion towards the typical, trivial hoax arguments. In any case, I’m expecting it to be much more lively than the last one since he SHOULD be adequately prepared this time.
In this case Matthew has known about the Meier case for about 35 years and also is most interested in the spiritual teaching. Becky couldn’t quite grasp just how game ending it would be for MUFON to investigate and have to acknowledge the singular authenticity of the Meier case. I think it’s typical of the MUFON mindset, which has been so focused on and indoctrinated with chasing lights-in-the-sky and having its members thereby feel like they’re actually doing something important rather than just being a bunch of hobbyists who are, at best, giving feedback to the secret military about their craft, etc. (as Joe stated).
I’ll try to be optimistic that Stanton has had some moments of inner searching, as well as looking at all of the evidence, etc., that he has been sent.
Hi Michael, here is a good one that you may like to use in future discussions / interviews etc.
” There is no principle more gaurenteed to keep mankind in ever lasting ignorance and darkness : That principle is condemnation, before investigation ”
I think the quote came from Roberto Assagioli’s wonderfull book ‘ The power of the Mind ‘
Enjoy your day Bud. Gary
Good quote, Gary, thanks.
Sweet, go MH go. Salome Robert
I’ll do my best, Robert!
Great post.
I have one question………..As we know people nowadays tend to “forget” stuff rather quickly. What made the Plejaren think that earthly people will look back to his case after hundreds of years?
I…forget.
As we all know Stuart Robbins loves to post as someone other than himself and then make a blog about it. This one just arrived:
http://podcast.sjrdesign.net/shownotes_142.php
“And because it’s hard, pseudoscientists thrive on taking advantage of it. I did a very extensive episode, #90, looking into the claims made by people talking about the Billy Meier contactee case where many of his followers claim that because Meier wrote about something at some point in time, and an announcement about its discovery was allegedly made after that time, that it could not possibly have been known to anyone but Meier before that announcement and therefore Meier’s contacts with aliens are real.
In that episode, I looked meticulously at several of those claims relating to information about Jupiter and Saturn, and I showed that that was not the case, that the ideas Meier wrote about had been known, discussed, and in many cases I pointed to the actual publications, before Meier wrote about them.
Meier’s fans came back pretty much as I knew they would by claiming two things. One was moving the goalpost, claiming that now I had to show not just that the information was known to some people before Meier published it, but that Meier had to have been able to access that information and show how, from conventional sources. The other method was to nitpick with exact phrasings and terminology to basically argue that I was talking about a slightly different idea than Meier, or that Meier was talking about something slightly more nuanced that wouldn’t be discovered until years later.
I countered the former by pointing out that the claim was Meier could not possibly have known by any source other than aliens, and I proved that was wrong. As for the exact terminology or idea, who knows what he’s talking about in poetic German from decades ago as translated now into English by fans with a marked desire to make him look correct?”
No Stuart you are wrong about that because you yourself have the ability to check the translation…unless of course you’re too lazy???
You proved nothing other than you have no ability to think.
He’s obviously not as smart as Matthew Wiecskiewicz and definitely not as refined as Michael Horn. Keep up the great work Michael!
Thanks Sheila. I’ll submit a comment there later today, though I doubt that it will be posted. I’ll also openly challenge Robbins to publicly debate the matter…and substantiate his claims.
P.S. I submitted this comment there, let’s see if it’s posted…and if he accepts my challenge:
I have openly challenged Stuart Robbins to publicly debate/support his extremely incorrect claims about the Meier case and the existing substantiation for them.
Of course he has consistently not only refused to do so but also censored/prevented my comments and challenge from being seen on his blogs, etc.
Of course real aerospace professionals like Matthew Wieczkiewicz would also clean his clock in open debate.
What would you debate?
1. Horn claims Meier was the first to announce a scientific finding.
2. Robbins demonstrates that others announced it before Meier.
-Therefore, Horn was incorrect about Meier being the first.
Do you disagree with premise 1 or 2? Or do you think the conclusion can’t be drawn from those two premises?
If you instead meant to claim that to would’ve been hard for Meier to learn about those other people’s announcements, then admit you were wrong before, delete the pages making that assertion from your site, and move on. Surely there are more defensible arguments than that Meier was first to make these announcements.
I suggest that instead of trying to slip in your unsubstantiated – and well refuted – claims into the discussion that you contact Robbins and encourage him to take me on because, as per your comments, it’ll really be easy for him to prevail in such an encounter.
To be clear, I won’t entertain any more of them from you but I wanted to give you the opportunity to support someone with a public position that would certainly allow for a much broader examination of them.
Since both you and Robbins are so confident of your positions, hearing from you should encourage him to have the open, uncensored, LIVE, public debate with me.
One thing you are forgetting Moshe is that scientists only have theories whereas Billy has facts which are true and not subject to change. Although he may clarify something that was previously stated. Scientists change their theories all the time. For example Stuart claims his philosophy is to examine everything to its fullest, but has no intention of doing that. There has not been ONE single scientist who has ever been able to come up with ALL the information as Billy has. That in itself is a huge feat which has never been accomplished by any other human being on earth.
Looking forward to those buttkickings Michael but I’m sure Stuart is too chickenhearted (cause they don’t teach bravery at university) to even post your comment, let alone debate you.
Sheila, that’s a good point about scientists. One of their most glaringly wrong theories is that our moon is a chunk of the Earth. Every day, kids in school are taught that “we” think the moon formed when some object impacted the Earth, whereas in reality, the moon and Venus were carried into our solar system via the Destroyer.
Moshe, consider these:
1. Derek Bartholomaus shares Robbins’ position on the Meier case. Bartholomaus also knowingly publishes FALSE information to support his hoax argument. In fact, his website is filled with numerous inaccuracies. Do you think Robbins is aware of Bartholomaus’ “carelessness” or just doesn’t care?
2. Stuart Robbins has written at length disputing(not debating) Michael Horn’s claims regarding the Meier information. So, why would Robbins interview Bartholomaus while avoiding a debate with Horn?
3. Do you believe Robbins’ Meier “investigations” have been fair and balanced?
Greg I don’t think that’s quite correct.
Venus was wrenched from Uranus by the destroyer to the current position if my memory serves me correct.
I stand corrected of course but I think Venus wasn’t dragged to our solar system but our moon was.
Venus was already in our solar system.
There are a lot of words here, but no one has even ATTEMPTED to disprove my argument above.
As stated many times before, it was up to you (and other skeptics) to prove your/their arguments. That/those obviously failed.
It’s worth noting that pseudo-scientific skeptic Stuart Robbins hasn’t and won’t jump at the chance to engage with me in a live debate on the facts in the Meier case and his claims to the contrary. Of course he may worry that while his own readership is minuscule, getting trounced publicly wouldn’t do anything positive for his reputation, such as it is at this point.
Isn’t it interesting that while we keep on posting corroboration for Meier’s prophetically accurate information, and referring to the three new authenticating analyses of his photos, no such opposing documentation has been forthcoming?
Moshe,
Here’s the thing about your “argument”: Robbins has not necessarily demonstrated, “that others announced it before Meier”. To really prove or disprove this one would need to sift through all of the information both for and against this argument. It’s not that it cannot be done, but it takes time. I don’t need to be convinced of Meier’s authenticity. I’ve based it on much more than this one single piece of evidence Robbins SUGGESTS as proof of hoax. I also don’t need to prove anything to the skeptic. Even if Robbins is entirely accurate(which, I’ve shown why he is probably not), he would still need to disprove a mountain of evidence to prove Meier a hoax. So, what’s my motivation for jumping through the hoops you(and other skeptics like you) try to put in front of me? None. I can spend a lot of time proving him wrong and he will never post my conclusions. YOU are not large enough of an audience for me to be motivated to bother with this. That, in and of itself does not prove him right.
On the other hand, I have clearly defined three easy items for consideration. I’ve already done all the work for you. Bartholomaus has mixed in Meier’s pics with Langdon’s. I have provided links for reference(no reading necessary, just match up the pics). He has been contacted twice. No response. I have posted his inaccurate statements, also with ref links. You are already aware of his Jupiter/Saturn “investigation”. I have provided a ref for his interview with Bartholomaus. Once again, very little work on your part. You just need to confirm I haven’t made up this fact. All that is left is to answer the question: Do you believe Robbins’ Meier “investigations” have been fair and balanced? Too easy. Right?
MH at 5:23: Well, if course no proof has been posted. You block it whenever I provide any.
And that was the complaint from Moshe that I’ll publish. But didn’t I say that already? Maybe going all out for fair and balanced.
Moshe,
Have you posted your “proof” on Robbins’ page? There is a comment section below, I’m sure he would welcome your supportive comments. You could simultaneously complain about how Michael is blocking your arguments and insist Stuart needs to take Michael on in a head-to-head debate. You believe he has the proof. He believes he has the proof. He would have nothing to lose and everything to gain, right?
Also, I’m wondering why you have avoided my three questions. It would take all of five minutes for you to click through the links to confirm my claims. The only reasonable conclusion is that you KNOW Robbins’ handling of the Meier case is in fact NOT fair and balanced, otherwise you would have voiced your protest. Am I mistaken?
Well, either Moshe was reluctant to encourage Stuart to engage Michael in debate or Stuart hasn’t published Moshe’s response. So, I decided to leave a comment myself on his page:
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“Hi Stuart. There is much talk of an ‘open, uncensored, LIVE, public debate’ between yourself and Michael Horn on his blog. Just wondering when this is going to happen. Should be an exciting event for everyone.”
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Should be interesting to see his response.
Get yourself a loan chair, a bunch of munchies, a pillow and a blanket…the wait could be very long.
Well, I don’t know. I’m not a scientist but according to my calculations 17,579 people voted on the Friedman-Horn debate. Although many may have been X-zone listeners, Stuart clearly has the potential for a generous bump in his traffic. If he is genuinely confident in his arguments, what reason would he have to turn it down? Like I said, I’m not a scientist.
Well, maybe he’ll think you’re a…sadist.
I think you’re suggesting Stuart would be the survivor of the metaphorical atomic wedgie. Sounds like a little pre-debate trash-talk 😉 Maybe Rob McConnell could host this one too.
Feel free to suggest it to Rob of course. Atomic wedgie, what a concept.
Done!
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To: xzone@xzoneradiotv.net
From: Me
Hi, Rob. Thanks for scheduling a second Friedman-Horn debate. Should be more substantive than the last one. Can’t wait.
I was hoping to suggest another scientific panelist to go up against Mr. Horn: Dr. Stuart Robbins. If you’re unfamiliar, he is a research scientist and planetary geophysicist who maintains a blog called, “Exposing PseudoAstronomy”:
https://pseudoastro.wordpress.com/about/
as well as a matching podcast:
http://podcast.sjrdesign.net/index.html
He has been a critic of Mr. Meier’s information as well as specifically disputing Mr. Horn’s claims. I was wondering if you would be open to hosting these two gentleman in another scientific debate. To give you an idea of the topics he’s covered, here is the search result for “Billy Meier” on his blog:
https://pseudoastro.wordpress.com/?s=billy+meier
Thank you for your time and consideration.
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Now, if Moshe sends one too, both Rob and Stuart will be more inclined to go for it 😉
Thanks!
No problem. But Rob never replied to me the last time, so it might be a good idea for others to send him a quick note too.
Moshe, to your point…
1.That is correct: “…scientific finding” = tested & proven over a period of time. You can rule out guesswork as that would have been shown by the many inaccuracies this would yield – had Meier used that for his CRs.
Once more for all the idiots: The information from Meier is very significant as every single one of his many hundreds of stated “facts” in the CRs were published before the later archeological, political, historical & scientific confirmation of these as such & before anyone else on the planet called them “facts”.
Robbins, Mahesh and you seem to be jumping up & down with glee about finding one or two theories that were published before Meier’s information was published & miss the point about the statistical significance of Meier getting it right every time. If Meier had been correct once out of ten times, it could well be put down to guesswork. When it happens almost every time, we can only assume that the information was known, but, not publically. Therefore there must have been testing going on before known tests, yes? So, who was doing the testing? That is the real question & Meier has a few “facts” for us to ponder about that too.
Who else, in history, has published so many facts, consistently and without fail, before they were known amongst all intelligent people as such? Not Einstein, Tesla, Leonardo Da Vinci, Michaelangelo, Hawking, Darwin achieved such a feat & they were at it full-time. In fact, noone ever in history has & still some stupid people call it a hoax?
If you were a peaceful, space-travelling, people, who had learned that interference in a world can have catastrophic and potentially universal effects & the world in question was using powerfully strong & harmful electronic & explosive devices & technologies, you might just use your higher technology to test things out & then communicate your findings by using harmless thought-type-signals called “impulses” to communicate safely with people on that planet whilst leaving idiots like SETI to waste their time trying to contact ET via signals they would literally run a million miles away from. ET’s may, in fact, have also given us a clue to the extent of their “impulse” technology by announcing their various visits with Meier by impulsing some scientist with a theory that they publish just before or around the time that Meier then bats the idea right out the park with pinpoint & deadly accuracy. Maybe, all done cleverly as evidence of very intelligent ET life? Maybe done in an effort to encourage people to think & communicate on other levels & along reasonable & rational lines in direct contradiction of what some mad power groups on Earth want.
2. With the above in mind: When and where are Robbins, Mahesh, or any of you actually going to present any known “facts” that were published by scientists before Meier presented his?
Excellent Matt. And now we can also point out that all of this (and more) was presented by the same man who put 1,200+ still irreproducible UFO photos, films and video on the table, along with metal samples, sound recordings, the seven-fingered handprints, etc. And yes, for those who try to be dismissive of this mind-boggling fact…he did it all with one hand.
If the Plejaren and Meier didn’t have almost inexhaustible, infinite patience and compassion for the lowly, suicidally stupid creatures on this planet who think that they are actually human beings, well, we’d probably be but a blip in universal history by now.
Did I read that right? Stuart Robbins has a B.S. in B.S.?
Actually, he should have a Master’s in that.
Sil
That’s a good one Sheila
Bachelor of Science on Bad Science or was that Bos taurus fecal matter.
Hey, that’s MY joke!
Taro,wonderful can’t wait on it
Well, it seems that Moshe has lost his sense of humour and gone into attack mode…
Hi you lot, its me again, with what I hope will be usefull : Please re read page 557 (german page 556) of Goblet, especially No’ 385 .
Have an enjoyable day and night
I have some in stock for those who don’t have it.
Oh Good one Taro
What was yours Bachelor of Science in Bad Sense?
Taro
February 26, 2015 at 8:27 pm
Derek Bartholomaus has a B.S. in B.S.
Nah, I meant bull pies. The only thing he’s an expert on are close encounters of the turd kind.