To honestly acknowledge and inform people about Meier would end their careers and render them irrelevant
Here, in my opinion, are some of the people and organizations claiming factual knowledge about and/or contact with extraterrestrial beings and their craft, who are liars and frauds:
David Wilcock, Corey Goode, Richard Dolan, Barbara Hand Clow, Steven Greer, Paola Harris, Michael Salla, Stephen Bassett, Emory Smith, Barbara Marciniak, Jacques Vallée, Tom DeLonge, James Gilliland, Thirdphaseofmoon, Alex Collier, Leslie Kean, Linda Moulton Howe, Mary Rodwell, Steven Greenstreet, Jordan Sather, Ryan Sprague, Nick Pope, Grant Cameron, Bob Lazar, John Greenewald, Jeremy Corbell, MUFON, David Icke, Peter Slattery, Michael Schratt, GAIA, IUFOC, OpenMinds, TTSA, etc.
This includes and applies to the equally dishonest and delusional people doing inane and unscientific “hypnotic regression” on victims of supposed “alien abductions”, those claiming to be “channeling” any extraterrestrials, inter-dimensional or other entities, it includes those who merely want to profit from writing about, promoting, and/or providing public venues for, such charlatans without having demanded, seen and presented actual, verifiable, authenticated evidence to support their lying claims.
Hot Under the Collar
Sure, I’m begging the question:
“Hey, why so hot under the collar? Everybody knows UFOs aren’t real.”
And that’s exactly the problem.
Many people now view the UFO topic as a curious bit of entertainment, good for a moment’s diversion, like many other things in their lives.
But what else is new? Human history is filled with such people but never before has there been actual, singularly authentic evidence in abundance to warrant serious consideration. What would in fact be the most important development in all of human history has been so marginalized and reduced to ridiculousness by a pack of self-serving, profiteering charlatans that any possible sense of legitimacy has been largely obliterated.
And also gone is any sense of awe and wonder, any real hunger to learn and know more about such a paradigm-shaking revelation as the existence of other intelligent life forms in the universe, and consequently there’s no gaping mouthed curiosity as to the…reason that they would actually contact us.
So, every lying fraud, every bogus “UFO expert” has willingly contributed to the thing they all claim to want to reveal, the so-called “UFO cover-up”, which we now know is solely about the Billy Meier UFO contacts, still ongoing in Switzerland for more than 77 years.
Yes, the disinformation campaign against the Meier contacts is the work of various intelligence organizations and other powerful groups who want to proceed with the total control, the effective enslavement, of humankind. They have found among the self-seeking, profit and fame hungry “UFO experts” a willingly complicit crowd who also dutifully ignore, attack and suppress the Meier contacts.
They All Know
And this is the point. Through the efforts of many interested people, including myself, every one of the aforementioned (as well as unnamed other) parties portraying themselves as UFOs experts, investigators, researchers, etc., has been provided with ample evidence and information about the Meier contacts.
They all know.
Those who don’t openly attack Meier and his evidence ignore and/or suppress it for the obvious reason, i.e. to shine a spotlight on themselves for their own profit. To honestly acknowledge and inform people about Meier would end their careers and render them irrelevant. And, of course, to kill their cash cows.
This is also why the field of UFOlogy is such a miserable, standard-less, unscientific joke, ripe for marginalization and dismissal by most intelligent people.
Our Future Survival
As I’ve said before, if the stakes weren’t so high it would be unworthy of comment. But they are incredibly high. As plainly as can be stated, the Meier contacts contain the key to our future survival. For that to even make a dent in one’s consciousness requires that one has awareness and recognition of the reality of threats posed to humankind’s survival, plainly evidenced now in the “news of the day”.
These include the now unstoppable environmental destruction, the ever-deteriorating geopolitical situation, the looming global financial collapse, the spreading terrorism, societal breakdown and degeneration, etc. – all of which have been specifically foretold in the more than 45,000 pages of information provided to, or written, and published by Billy Meier for over 70 years.
The Solution
The solution is the same as it’s always been, 100% complete self-responsibility for our own lives, seeing things as they are and living in accordance with the laws and recommendations of Creation.
The study, application and implementation of the non-religious, belief-free spiritual teaching is the clearest – and actually fastest – path to liberating ourselves from the futile, dead-end plunge into oblivion which, according to the immutable law of cause and effect, is otherwise to be our fate.
The course correction for our society, our world at large must start with the individual. First, we must learn how to improve our own lives and relationships, the consequence of which is the eventual course correction and improvement for humankind as a whole.
Under the best of circumstances, should we avoid complete self-destruction, it will still be…hundreds of years before humankind as a whole has come to its senses and is capable of living in true love, in peace, freedom and harmony with each other and all other life on the planet. This must happen first, before we will ever interact openly with other intelligent human beings that exist in the universe.
In the midst of all the grim realities, that is the good news. While we must know and be aware of the external realities, we are completely free to pursue the course of study that will yield positive results in our own lives – here and now– without coercion, cults, leaders, belief systems, saviors, superstitions and rituals, etc. Just our own efforts and study, learning how to actually think and apply the might of thoughts in our own lives.
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Wow, a cocksure advocate of UFO’s. This is the true ufo religion. Love Billy Meier, but not the A-hole here that thinks he’s the ufo communities only true religious leader. Book sales must be less than stellar? Getting desperate “Oh Great One”? By the way you obviously know nothing about the people you condemn.
While this genius is too cowardly to use their real name, apart from their having nothing to substantiate their complaints, their offhanded defense of the charlatans in the UFO field isn’t accompanied with any actual substantiation of their credibility.
Those who most loudly profess their interest in UFOs seem more interested in being entertained than in dealing with the truth, including the frauds in the UFO field.
Why am I not on your list?
Sorry if I missed calling you out. Please post some credentials verifying that you’re another bogus, fraudulent “UFO expert”. You also must include your last name so that I can confirm your identity.
If you’re NOT an actual idiot like the rest, I’m afraid that I will not be able to expose you, provide free publicity, etc.
Wow, now I really have entered the nutjob section of the UFO community.
The list at the beginning of the article is damn right regarding a few of the names on there, namely: David Wilcock, Corey Goode, Emery Smith, Jordan Sather and Micheal Salla most notably. Some others are… I can only assume to gullible and/or want and need a story but:
Steven Greer (althoughI do not agree with everything he says, he has been a stable in ufology for decades and you have to appreciate his work), Richard Dolan, Jacques Vallée, Stephan Bassett, Nick Pope, Grant Cameron, Bob Lazar, John Greenewald, Jeremy Corbell, Tom Delonge, James Gilliland and Ryan Sprague are not frauds and hoaxers. I think the author is just in denial and looking to attack and create attention unto themself.
It is a funny thing, I would have thought that people that are truly interested and are enlightened into the phenomenon would be hold themselves in higher regard and be better than getting into nasty and aggressive exchanges with others regarding this topic. It really is a shame and shows your true colours.
I was at one point quite interested in Billy Meier, and although it is odd he did have an apparent quite accurate representation of what some of these crafts look like, he is a fraud.
Just one point on this even Richard Doty and although he was a disinformation agent, I tend to agree with him at this point as he no longer has a dog in this fight, cited the fact he visited Billy Meier at one point, and confirmed he was a fraud.
I am only writing this comment as I am appalled at the way the author and others attacked the very few posters who bothered to leave a comment outlining their view of Meier as a fraud which in part was most probably brought on by the totally needless “Shit List” at the top of the article finger pointing at all areas and aspects of public figures in the UFO field.
The author should really undertake a reality check and just realise one day all will be revealed and unfortunately this little fairy tale will burn.
And yet another inane, unqualified comment by someone who tries to post here, under phony email addresses and names. However, I’ll respond to some of the complaints.
Regarding Steven Greer “a stable in ufology for decades”, he would indeed do better in a stable. Unlike you, I’ve personally, publicly offered to present entire body of evidence and information to him, beginning 15 years ago. He didn’t even acknowledge the offer. I’ve likewise sent information and evidence to the other clowns you mention. Their responses, or mainly lack thereof, simply confirmed that they’re phonies, profiteers and charlatans.
In my 40 years of experience, at least as long as and more than most, I’ve also found that not a one of them has a single damn piece of actual evidence for their blathering. While you don’t “like” my calling these idiots out, in every LEGITIMATE field that I know of, open, public as well as private discussion – including hard criticism – is standard operating procedure.
But not in UFOlogy, which invites and relies on nice little “sensitive” types like you to swallow unsubstantiated garbage…and then rush to defend it.
I have a new blog (https://theyflyblog.com/2019/07/01/meier-warned-isis-danger-not-over/) and video due out shortly that addresses an even more troubling aspect of this cover-up of the Meier contacts. If you can get yourself to stop shaking in your booties and use your real name, etc., you’re certainly free to make further comments. But among them should be the actual…evidence that you think any of these clucks actually have and which has convinced you that I’m being unfairly harsh and wrong in my assessment of them.
The UFO community is tragic; it is as bad as Disney Star Wars. The UFO community is bleeding and UFOs are dead. Let it Bleed…
If I am a nutjob you are a corpse. You are missing limbs and starving animals are tearing you apart. I would imagine that you do not have a clue about anything because you do not understand why Led Zeppelin used “in through the out door.” As a Meier nutjob I hope you go away so I can continue to put my crazy on…
ufo community great ones — your topics suck and it is the same old shit from the 90s, nothing new. I am tired of Roswell, Area 51 and “Disclosure.” What do you know about the Universe? There are 1000s of crazy Billy Meier pages with intricate shit that you should be interested in. But please keep dragging your so called food back to your great UFO nest. There are a lot of starving animals, fish and insects going extinct because of you that could use your recycling. Please feel free to make room real quick. And don’t have any fing children in the meantime. The world is overpopulated you should know.
AA
MH Why are all those frauds suddenly showing up on your blog with no names too???
That’s what happens when you shine a light on the phonies and frauds. Their gravy trains might dry up if more folks start using their critical thinking skills.
Michael could you tell me what Bob Lazar has done that opposes Billy Meier? I only know of his talking about his private work. I’ve never heard him mention anything of the Meier case, but then I obviously do not know everything he has ever said.
Hi Chris,
Here’s a response that I posted on my short video about all this, which could go under the category of sins of…omission:
“Regarding why Bob Lazar is on my list of frauds. Look at it this way. So far, no one commenting here has said that they’re an aerospace scientist who’d had a top secret security clearance. Yet everyone here is interested in UFOs and, since I represent and provide information about the Billy Meier UFO contacts, almost everyone here knows about the Meier case.
A good number of people have already taken the time to research the evidence and information and know that the Meier case is singularly authentic. How and why is it even possible that Lazar, with all of his supposed credentials, with the publicized similarity between what he calls the “sport model” and the UFOs in Meier’s photos – known worldwide! – isn’t jumping up and down pointing to Meier’s evidence?
So, I’ll go further and say that there are only two strong possibilities that occur to me: Either Lazar is the most stupid, unaware physicist involved in ‘reverse engineering extraterrestrial technology’ or…he’s an active part of the cover-up of the only actual, scientifically proven contacts between extraterrestrials and an earth man that are still ongoing for over 77 years.
If YOU know…why doesn’t he?”
Thanks for the reply, Michael. I get the impression that Lazar is only interested in what can be physically proven, and ignores everything else. Hence he’d miss Billy’s message because as the Plejaren always intended we cannot “prove” it materially.
Of course, being purely materially scientific is a loss, because we have to look into things. I don’t think that makes him a liar or fraud on that account, though. Sure, I’d expect him to look into it, but that’s another matter, and maybe he just doesn’t want to go there because there’s nothing he can physically handle. Disappointing? Undoubtedly. But I couldn’t say he is a fraud or liar.
The way I “know,” is not the way Lazar wants to know things, at least the things he goes public on.
You mention omissions, and I do think Lazar appears spineless in omitting going there and mentioning the Meier case. As you imply, it’s surely impossible that he doesn’t have some personal or secret interest in it.
Hi Chris,
We’re speaking about what is, if true, the most important development in human history. As I said in my response, if people like me – with no scientific background let alone top secret clearance – can find and realize the significance of the Meier contacts, certainly Lazar would’ve at least come across it.
And, what do you know…he did. From http://paul.rutgers.edu/~mcgrew/ufo/bob.lazar:
“GEORGE KNAPP
I’d agree with ya, the reason we got interested in Billy Meier,
it goes back to Lazar, was because Bob Lazar says, the saucer
that he saw fly, he dubbed it the sport model, was the same
saucer in the Meier photos, exactly the same.”
Now, when I speak so disparagingly and disgustedly about the poseurs in UFOlogy – even more so in this blog https://theyflyblog.com/2019/07/01/meier-warned-isis-danger-not-over/ – I’m absolutely serious. For those of us who know what has long been foretold by Meier, the Plejaren and the prophets of old, for all these quacks – Lazar included – to have prattled on, trivialized and made a farce of the truth is a treason to all humankind.
Those who will be scraping the ground for something to eat,and a bit of water to drink,should know how the forewarnings were suppressed and ridiculed, damning any chance that they could have been acted upon in time, which condemned so many in the future to their miserable fate.
I agree he is guilty by omission, but that doesn’t make him a “liar.” To not speak about something illegal you know of can make for guilt (being complicit?) in a court of law. Yes, we need these people to talk openly about the case. In that sense, it’s a crime against humanity not to, but not doing so does not constitute being a “liar.” To be a liar you have to “say” something that you know is not true. Again, I’ve never seen or heard Lazar do this regarding the Meier case.
“Fraud” has various definitions so I wouldn’t contest that.
Hi Chris,
While I agree that he’s a fraud, I see a huge lie of mission, as per my comment below. Again, I think we lose sight of the huge significance and seriousness of the matter, something that has been made possible by the cover-up of the Meier case, which Lazar has been complicit in for 30 years.
One must ask, how it is that Lazar, a physicist and aerospace scientist, acknowledged the Meier UFO photos 30 years ago but then goes completely silent about them and makes the entire matter (including a new film) about HIS supposed experiences, work on alternative craft, etc. – for which he’s actually produced no real evidence?
Let’s look again at what Meier said here:
“In the USA a man called Robert Lazar made public appearances and extensively reported on UFOs and dead extraterrestrials he supposedly saw in Area 51 and other areas. What should we think of him?
Answer: Here, too, caution is in order because many elements are incorrect regarding his explanations. At least some of his testimonies could be conscious, intentionally-guided disinformation based upon data from certain American organizations. An extremely suspicious fact is that Bob Lazar, as the purported holder of secrets, has been left unharmed by the American security and secret service agencies when he openly speaks about alleged top secret information. This is especially strange in America when we consider how harshly this country deals with traitors. However, to this day Lazar remains unharmed in a similar way as the alleged ‘Falcon’.
The voice of reason dictates that care should be taken regarding the statements and claims made by Robert Lazar just as with statements and claims made by ‘Falcon’, the Roswell Incident footage and the like. Many mysteries, particularly those pertaining to American UFO matters, must be viewed with great caution. This applies to purported abductions by UFOs, respectively, extraterrestrials and their brainwashing techniques, as well as alleged animal mutilations by extraterrestrials, etc. etc., which are frequently carried out by certain secret organizations and terrestrial powers of a similar nature and have, truthfully, nothing to do with extraterrestrials.
Billy”
So, Bob Lazar is…free to broadcast all his “purported secrets”, unharmed, but not a word on REAL extraterrestrial craft? That looks to me like he indeed is part of the UFO cover-up. A scientist, who’s involved in that field, knowing about and consequently COVERING UP knowledge of Meier’s evidence is indeed a crime against humankind…one that is even far more serious than just “fraud”. The implications of that, as we now know, are staggering.
As Meier said, “Many mysteries, particularly those pertaining to American UFO matters, must be viewed with great caution.”
Bob Lazar et al – Believed only by the irretrievably gullible
I think Lazar is being dragged around by this other Ufologist guy to places he would rather not be, and that much seems clear to see.
I have to say though, his idea that the ships need to point sideways in the direction that are flying seems a bit odd and against logic.
I have some ocean front property in Arizona to sell you too.
Lazar is a swindler and a manipulator of the gullible.
Hi Michael,
Im with you with the list of ufology fraud/wishful thinkers names list above. I would like to mention though that Bob Lazar’s claims seem to have authenticity to them, and if true can only help to gather momentum and attention to the Meier case. There are encounters that can only help to open peoples eyes (such as the recent airforce encounters), and we should not rubbish them completely, because many folks are still learning to think in these avenues and need a good point of reference to open their eyes. That said, I know your role is to use hard words so that people will actually listen, as is taught in line with the Spiritual Teaching, so I cant complain with that.
Keep up the good work.
Paul
Hi Paul,
What exactly is authenticate about his claims that can’t be proven? A new element that he might have worked on during his time at Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory? This is a man who is allegedly highly intelligent yet he irresponsibly omits Billy Meier from any of his books or interviews. And it’s not for the fact that he doesn’t know because he’s quite aware of the multitude of REAL evidence, scientific information and corroborations in the Meier case. What good is he doing for the truth community when he leads them AWAY from the truth and down some rabbit-hole that will never amount to anything? Having these folks who are “still learning to think” be led astray is not the correct avenue. It’s hard enough for folks to weed through the lies and deliberate disinformation in the hopes of finding a slither of truth. Dishonesty includes omission.
Also, please use your first and last name when commenting. Thanks.
Regarding why Bob Lazar was not murdered, I have to say after giving it some thought, is that murder is not always the only method they use for such cases. Take for instance Wendell Stevens, they did not murder him, but otherwise slandered attacked and stained him. With Lazar, they seemed to have gone with pushing fear down his throat until he was silenced. Im not 100% sure of Lazars claims, but I got with feeling on this one, and stick by my original instinct that he worked in some sense with flying discs. Not everyone ends up killed thankfully. Meier is still going after all the attempts made against him, and how you reached the age you have Michael without being murdered, or even had an attempt on your life is also bizarre. But maybe you have some old friends looking out for you, which is great, but regarding Lazar, Im not sure he found the real message of the Material and understood its significance.
Thanks,
Paul Wren
Lazar has hardly been “silenced”. He’s out there with books, movies and appearances on Joe Rogan that certainly don’t appear to be evidence of any “fear” being pushed down his throat.
I think you’re still missing a couple of points. First, its absolutely irrelevant – let alone still unproven – that Lazar worked on any advanced technology. And what has that to do at all with helping to prevent climate destruction, terrorism, possible war with Russia…and everything else long forewarned by Meier?
Why should we accept the idea that a physicist in secret military, aerospace/defense WOULDN’T jump all over any and everything available by 1989 about an actual…extraterrestrial contact case going on? Sorry, the absolutely MOST IMPORTANT development in human history, evidence of an ET race and someone’s contact with it, isn’t dealt with in that manner. Remember, Lazar is on record as early as 1989 knowing about Meier and his UFO photos.
As for me, I think it’s probably just a matter of viewing me as not being much of a threat and, since I did already have an online presence, etc., getting rid of me may have been viewed as only resulting in MORE interest in the Meier case. “They” probably figured it wasn’t worth the bother since the news embargo, suppression, disinformation was more effective, etc.
While I may never know for certain, I’m not complaining.
Surprised there are many here supporting Bob Lazar. Really? Even before I knew what Billy had said about him, I’d worked out his was lying. Why?
Watch his early interviews. He keeps his body and expressions too tight, he’s not relaxed by the the cathartic telling of this story. He’s too robotic. Watch how his body (mid-rift/ back/shoulders) shake occasionally (little tells) that are consistent with the motion of an inward laugh, usually once he’s sure the interviewer is hooked.
Watch his interview with Joe Rogan. This is not a man who starts out comfortably with his own story if it was true and had been told numerous times and no, it’s not because he doesn’t want fame or he wouldn’t keep appearing, it’s because he has to LIE again, something he’s not 100% comfortable with, but, forces himself to do and he settles into it once he knows the interviewer wants to believe and then there’s that “tell”.
How is he alive? Why would one of the world’s most powerful secret organisations allow anyone to go around painting a big target on the not-so “secret” location of their not-so “secret” craft and when every government on Earth has their own satellites and spies? The group that started all this probably fuel it all by flying their craft over Area 51. The point of all this is YOU CANNOT CHECK IT OUT except watch the occasional light in the sky (boring). Just because you can’t get in doesn’t mean you can’t be SUCKERED in.
Why does Lazar say that one type of craft looks like one of Meier’s ships? This is not good a thing at all and Billy definitely DOES NOT need Lazar’s help. Lazar is planting a seed of doubt about Billy by mentioning this, i.e., that Billy might be wrong that he is in contact with ETs and as I’ve said before, watch that space as some groups could be planning to take the case that way once Billy is not around to confirm the many stupidly asked, “Was that the Pleiadians?” Let me pre-empt all those now… NO IT WASN’T.
If Lazar stands by his story, why has he never done a stress test as Billy and FIGU members did and passed? That is his Achilles’ heal in my view so all those supporting Lazar should GO AND ASK HIM, but, I’d put money on it that he won’t touch it, or, even respond to such requests but it might shut him up if others ask him to do this.
Why does he only do “easy” interviews where the person is already convinced of his story?
I could go on 🙂
He may be authentic and then again maybe it’s part of an attempt at disclosure by a minority few behind the scenes, after they became aware of the Meier case. I can only say, I sense an honest effort in some sense from his claims.. but maybe some caution as Meier said.
Sure, the secret groups will have some plan for dragging attention away from the Meier case and especially after he is gone, but the Truth will win in this case. Regarding the claim of the craft being similar to that if those in the Meier case I do not find strange at all given that the Plejaren themselves have confirmed from their side that the disc shape craft is best type of design for such aircraft. Quetzel also described flying discs when speaking of the Zeta Reticulum craft.
Paul Wren.
The similarity isn’t “strange”…what’s strange is the total lack of interest and follow up about contact with an ET race. Honestly, who gives a g-d about what Lazar did or didn’t work on?!?!?! It doesn’t and never will make the slightest bit of difference.
The fact that he’s effectively covering up the Meier contacts DOES matter, as the people of earth will pay a high price for the collective suppression of the truth by all those who COULD’VE made a difference but CHOSE not to.And that includes the self-serving Bob Lazar.
Thank you, Matt, you absolutely get it and see it for what it truly is. I’m disappointed in Joe Rogan for embarrassingly falling for his load of hooey.
It’s so hard to watch his body language for more than a few minutes because when I do, every alarm bell I have goes off.
“If Lazar stands by his story, why has he never done a stress test as Billy and FIGU members did and passed?”
Do you mean a ‘lie detector’ test?
Bob Lazar passes the lie detector test on UFOs
Thank you Dougal, this was my own sense that I picked up from Lazar.
Lazar was silenced for over 20 years it seems.
Last chance–use your first and last name when commenting. Bob Lazar has hardly been silenced. Are you living in reality?
Well, he hardly gave an interview in 20 years with all of the interest that was out there for one and He did as stated, pass a lie-detector test, so yes I am living in reality with my hunch.
I can’t blame Michael at all though as he has to put up with all the nonsense in ufology on a daily basis and for so many years, while knowing what was coming.
Yeah, well, so did Gary Ridgeway, the Green River Killer, which delayed justice for 2 decades. The test’s overall uselessness has been publicly revealed time and again.
Lazar’s books, interviews and other appearances are hardly censored online. For someone who doesn’t like to talk and give interviews, you can easily find him talking and giving interviews everywhere. The secret service and military industrial complex have done nothing to stop him from exposing alleged top secret information. It’s funny though that Edward Snowden still sits hiding in Russia for exposing far less than Bob Lazar. I think Michael was right, maybe this information is still too much for some folks who would do better by being entertained with little grey aliens and lights in the sky.
Exactly. And there’s also Julian Assange, who’s going through extreme persecution for telling the truth.
People who rush into the UFO topic with great interest and enthusiasm often don’t understand that they are awash in disinformation. Because of the tunnel vision approach that develops from getting most of one’s information online, the misdirection is effected without notice. People latch on to one myth or another, they start believing and repeating it as if it’s true, without ever having done the real research needed to determine the truth for themselves.
“Bob Lazar did thus and so, etc., etc.” Really? How does one really…know? The information in and about the Meier contacts is voluminous, dates back decades and has had a number of people spend 30 or 40 years seriously investigating and researching it, going to Switzerland, investigating on-site, interviewing Meier and other witnesses, etc., etc.
But the internet/digital generation is completely unknowing about the significance of the evidence, information, investigations, real life circumstances, etc., and relies on glib, two-dimensional propaganda pieces for what they think they “know”.
Is it any wonder that the future is anything but bright?
NOTE: This is Matt’s response regarding the lie detector test. For reasons unknown, his comment/response wasn’t posting:
Dougal – No he didn’t.
Lazar took tests on two separate occasions. The first, according to the original investigator, George Knapp, was actually “inconclusive”. Apparently, Lazar was “too frightened” and needed “calming down”.
Source: (As I could not post the link after 3 attempts, search: “George Knapp: Bob Lazar Persecution, page 1 – AboveTopSecret” for the source]
(Actual source which I removed in subsequent attemtps: http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread218961/pg1)
The second set of polygraph exams was administered by a former Orange County police officer”. In other words, he failed the first test and they hired SOMEONE ELSE to take the second set of tests. That ‘someone else’ was Terry Tavernetti and there’s no evidence of him being a police officer, but, there is of him being a security chief working for a major Las Vegas Casino corporation. Nothing suspicious there. However, that aside, in regards to that second test, Terry Tavernetti testifies on video that, for his first test, Lazar was, “not doing well” and the results were, “indicative of deception”.
Source: [Youtube video named: “Bob Lazar’s Lie Detector Test about Working on UFOs in Area 51 – FindingUFO” – 4 minutes, 22 seconds in]
[Actual source which I removed in subsequent attempts: https://youtu.be/g-3ZmAba7xg?t=46%5D
Tavernetti goes on in the above video to say that Lazar did not pass the question about him seeing UFOs, but, only passed the question about alternative tech, which would explain a fake briefing Lazar probably received from the military and one of Billy’s answers about him.
Whilst, I accept that someone can be nervous when taking a polygraph test, any tester worth his salt would know how to relax someone and take further tests once the subject was calm and had gotten through the first one. They certainly WOULD NOT abandon the test, or, pertinent question (seeing craft – which was abandoned by Tavernetti), or, test subject (Lazar) as this would be massively indicative of deception.”
Matt
The latest website that covers the coverup of disclosure just opened up!!!
It is:
Wow, that’s great for people who want to see right through the UFO cover-up!
Just in case ANYONE missed the point of our humour, THERE IS NO COME LATELY WEBSITE THAT WILL OR WANTS TO INFORM YOU OF THE THINGS THAT ARE TRUE!!!
If you want or even need the truth, click here: http://www.figu.org/#sites
Remember, one of the elements in support of the Meier case is his passing of the lie-detector test. We cant just use it to support Meier and them rubbish it when it suits!
I have done the real research and that is how I found the Meier case many years ago, along with that, I also had dreams as a young kid which were confirmed to me as the years went by.
I know well the injustice that Assange and Snowden face and I talk about this all the time with people who listen, and it is politicians in my own native Country of Ireland that have, on their first day in the new assembly of the EU wore the t-shirts “Free Julian Assange – No extradition to the U.S”. I am well aware of the torment caused by the Empire of idiots, and their societies that has chewed up and spat out everything its its path. Im not UFO kid, or belief ridden idiot.
Thanks.
Here are the two previously mentioned voice in the wilderness policians: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gmHq76MoNCc&t=5s
I think the key word here is “ONE” of the elements out of a mountain of supporting evidence. No one I know uses the lie detector test to authenticate the Meier contacts. If that was the ONLY thing he had, I could understand your argument, but you really miss the point here when you think it’s comparable. Bob Lazar has no mountain of evidence to support his claims and the one piece of evidence that he supposedly possesses is hardly credible or verifiable. Paul, you seem like a nice person and I don’t want to keep going round and round on this merry-go-round. Come back with your Bob Lazar story when he has a quarter of the credible and verifiable evidence that Billy has to support his claims.
Im not trying to compare these cases at all, as I know the Meier case, and the spiritual lessons, is THE most important story for humanity to become aware of. So please do not make out that the Lazar story is somehow mine.
I just don’t want to feel like we are ridiculing absolutely every other possible eye witness account. They have some value if they are credible, such as that of NASA astronaut Edgar Mitchell and Gordan Cooper.
Also I would like to add is that the FIGU group members were reprimanded many times for being too hard and aggressive on those with eager ears, and as a result scared many people away who would of otherwise become important to the mission and cause.
This is the most ive ever written about Lazar in this thread, and that is already enough for me.
Hi Paul, you misunderstand what I’m saying. I’m not ridiculing Bob Lazar. I’m just stating the facts. He has no verifiable evidence. That is not aggressive or even harsh. Try convicting someone in a court of law without any credible evidence. I’m not willing to lie or even sugar coat it a little bit. Having eager ears doesn’t always equate to using critical thought. If someone is coming here for information, they are going to get the truth.
I think people are confused how black projects work. To quote from a documentary:
“People who know don’t talk and people who talk don’t know.”
Example:
https://youtu.be/PYLiMYGBE2Q?t=615
Of all the names mentioned above, the one that surprised me was Bob Lazar! That’s because I had bought into his claims that he had worked reverse-engineering extraterrestrial space craft. Although I thought that his friendship with John Lear was a weird coincidence (even Bob Lazar has said that John Lear makes up stories)
Ironically, it was in a video that Lazar made around 1989-1990 that I first heard about Billy Meier, where Lazar stated that the UFO he worked on looked ‘remarkably similar to the one in Billy Meier’s picture.’
Hi George,
Welcome to the blog.
I think the really ironic part is how Bob Lazar is able to, for several decades, talk and write about alleged “Top Secret” military information without any harm coming to him or his family. This is very bizarre considering that Edward Snowden, Julian Assange and many others have had to live in fear for their lives or have been sent to prison for less. Once one thinks about it and applies reason, you really have to ask yourself: would Bob Lazar be allowed to go around discussing his top secret work of reverse engineering a spacecraft from another world without being apprehended immediately by those friendly secret service guys and being nicely convinced to keep his mouth shut?
I don’t consider it ironic that Lazar is left to walk and talk compared with Snowden and Assange because the former, as Billy pointed out has no proof, and does not name anyone who could be compromised, whereas the latter do. Many powerful people see Snowden and Assange as a personal threat and having convincing evidence, whereas Lazar has none, just his personal talk. Others who can similarly only talk are left alone because they are essentially no danger to anyone. Countless more people are convinced of Snowden and Assange’s “truth” than Lazar’s. Lazar leaves us, at most with something to consider; he has no knowledge that he can impart. Although he did predict element 115, which was later proven right, which might be the most he actually did. He did lead some to Meier though he could have helped many more there. He rekindled my interest in Meier when he came out at a time when finding English info from Billy was very difficult where I was. I was also able to recently point a student towards Billy due to information on Lazar that they had found. I can understand people’s frustration with Lazar, but he has been a bit of help to some, albeit meagre and far less than he could have been.
Hi Chris,
That’s my point. If he was telling the truth, regardless of physical evidence, he would still be considered a major threat. This was alleged top secret military information he was writing about in books. If he was actually working on alien spacecraft in the capacity he claims, the “men in black” would have been all over him. My point was that he was lying or deliberately misinforming whereas Snowden and Assange are obviously telling the truth. Lack of physical evidence and name dropping doesn’t change the fact that he was free to spout classified information for decades. How would they know that he wouldn’t eventually name drop or show pictures? There is obviously an agenda at play.
The “men in black” let Albert Bender live, although they done something to him that assured he wouldn’t talk or his body would “expire” as they put it. Bender claims they told him that he could say what he wanted after they were gone, and he would know that had happened when a small disc like thing they gave him had dissappeared, which then actually happened according to Bender.
If you want a fake alien invasion to take place, you need people to but into it on some level, so I do not think the overall plan is 100% silence, although when it comes to Meier 100% silence is obviously the goal.
“If you want a fake alien invasion to take place, you need people to buy into it on some level, so I do not think the overall plan is 100% silence, although when it comes to Meier 100% silence is obviously the goal.”
This is exactly the point. Whether it’s a fake alien invasion or a cover-up of something far more threatening, the whole point is to divert attention over here so you don’t look over there. You can bet the farm that they are only going to tell you what they want you to know.
If we think about the far-reaching implications of even 5% or 10% of the global population finding out that the Meier case is real, you have to realize how this would destroy the control and power of those in charge. The world religions would surely collapse in a far shorter time. It has always been the goal of religion to keep us in ignorance, mental slavery and servitude to the system. According the Plejaren, we would have been in interstellar space years ago if we would have been allowed to evolve naturally without any religions.
The bottom line is that Bob Lazar has been allowed to release guided information for the sake of keeping people stupid and chasing stories that lead nowhere. It’s a dead end. In 30 years, what has anyone gained from Bob Lazar’s story other than a desire to storm Area 51? Nothing.
Yes, I agree, and may the religons of the world crumble away as soon as possible so we can have a True existance.
Maybe Lazar was not permitted/allowed by Earthly intelligences to give away highly sensitive information about their most secret test bases and secret craft.
The release of information by Lazar may actually be traced back to ET intelligences.
It seems the world new nothing about Area 51 or the other secret facilities before Lazar spoke of them, so I wouldnt agree that the purpose was to “keep people stupid”.
What would you agree the purpose was then?
Area 51 was known about long before Lazar. It has long been connected to the Roswell incident of 1947 and also many UFO reports in the 50’s and 60’s (Project Blue Book).
I just have a hard time understanding the need to have this conversation with folks who work towards the mission and study the Spiritual Teaching. It baffles me.
I too fail to understand why anyone thinks there’s even a speck of benefit and and value to humankind regarding Lazar. In my opinion, its only worth writing about to show how it’s used to distract from the Meier material.
It’s doubly mystifying that anyone with real familiarity with Meier’s content would even bother to conjecture about the evidence-less tales from Lazar. It’s been said over and over and it’ll be said again, if he had an iota of truly valuable, classified info, he’d be dead for having shared it.
If anyone thinks their life is really going to benefit from that farce, they’ve entirely missed the meaning and value of all of the Meier information and evidence and especially…the spiritual teaching.
I see some possible value in it in that it helps to stir the UFO controversy, and this is what the Plejaren wanted and this was discussed by Ptaah in a contact report from the mid 90s.
The UFO controversy serves as a path to help people grasp other higher developed life forms advising/teaching us in matters of Spirituality. Maybe Lazar is a total fraud, and if he is I’m sorry I spoke up for him here, but if not then the UFO controversy continues.
Really, at this stage of the game it “helps to stir the UFO controversy”? This isn’t the mid-90s and…what’s the so-called “controversy” now?
Anyone with half a working brain who comes upon the Meier material certainly doesn’t need the Lazar idiocy to “help people grasp other higher developed life forms advising/teaching us in matters of Spirituality.” Where is there even a hint of that connected to Lazar?
Let’s make it real easy. You’ve read this:
https://theyflyblog.com/2018/01/22/usaf-osi-investigator-concludes-billy-meier-ufo-case-real/
Now how does the Lazar gibberish compare to it?
I guess I’m to blame for writing about Lazar and the other jokers but I hardly thought anyone versed in the Meier material – and the spiritual teaching – still entertained that kind of crap.
Hi Paul,
This sounds like we’re trying to reconcile competing ideas and pretending the UFO field is somehow different than any other subject where we are approached with competing ideas and values. We tend to handicap ourselves when we have self-imposed rules on what should and should not happen because we believed in the in-expert opinions or stories of other people on how things are supposed to work and took their idea and values thinking we know something more and became wiser. Well I agree with Mike here and ‘the coddling’ the UFO in-experts do should stop before we all become Dunning-Kruger subjects. I will post you a link about competition which you can apply directly to the UFO subject which I will post a snippet from.
http://www.sirlin.net/ptw-book/introducingthe-scrub
“The coddling stops here. You must now understand the cold, hard truth of competition. This is the difficult part to accept. This is the part that will upset you. You will have many defense mechanisms that will tell you that I am wrong, but I assure you with certainty that on this point I am delivering divine truth directly to you.”
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A note about Dunning-Kruger from John Cleese:
I really do hope that they all dress-up as Storm Troopers if they do! 😉
See Chris this is also dancing around making assumptions about black projects, funding, top secret, special access, and other techno-babble that decorates many stories with an undeserved air of seriousness. So, when I look at what folks talk about other black projects like the one I linked earlier, which mentions over 45,000 working on B2 and not one talked about it prior to it being public knowledge, I find other issues with the scenario surrounding the Lazar story.
Another quote from the documentary:
“The more you know, the more deeply you have to bury what you know”
Does anyone know if Bob Lazar is a religious freak who thinks he’s talking to Gawd through ET?
Lazar and the other UFO “leads” are, as all of us here know, dead ends. Lazar had his interesting line of allegation decades ago. However, it couldn’t and doesn’t go anywhere — except on to the Meier material. When one goes on from these guys, as one must quickly do because they have nothing of real substance, the only move on goes to Meier. Meier is always the last man standing, and for me where eventually all these other byways — and even attempted distractions — lead.
For those who seek the truth, all UFO roads, and other roads, lead back to Meier. Others present only narrow twists and turns going nowhere, and almost all are such painful distractions that one wants to toss them in the garbage can, but occasionally one can be a useful stepping stone to Meier for those out there who cannot jump in what they perceive to be the deep end. Unfortunately, of course, some get lost permanently in the distractions, but if upon being introduced to the Meier material they reject it these types are probably never going to get into or benefit directly from it in this lifetime.
Even if all these distractions are purposely intended to lead people away from Meier’s material (and I can accept they may be), there are times when we, or at least I, can turn that energy around and use it to lead people toward Meier’s material. Maybe I experience it this way due to my position working with younger, slightly more open and receptive minds, rather than someone working in the throes of UFO media outlets where reticence seems aggressively and negatively inbred.
We all have our unique experiences and situations.
While there is no benefit from discussing Lazar and the others, and while of course, I do not hang around there, as I mentioned earlier, I have found Lazar a great help in leading people to the Meier material. I cannot see what is so troubling about that.
It’s certainly true that negative publicity, attacks, etc., also help the positive, as Meier has pointed out. The problem now is that there really isn’t that much time for, or benefit from, people walking around in circles with ever-diminishing chances that they will thereby find the truth.
Those who know it (the singular authenticity of the Meier extraterrestrial contacts), as Lazar surely does, have an obligation to openly inform, clarify and direct people towards the truth…but they continue to show that there are other things they value more than honoring that duty.
Yes, and we also have to stop pretending all other “UFO story/cases” have an ‘equal spot’ on the discussion table when they clearly don’t, are very frequently terrible in both context and content, and fail to pass as a tragic comedy. It’s pretty clear the UFO-field is ridiculed for its lack of seriousness routinely displayed at these conferences for the very fact all the so called speakers sit equally a long a large table and have a fun time taking turns talking about one non-nonsensical story after another. So the audience is supposed to give crutches to these stories because it *might* be true? It just further promotes the UFO field as a massive waste of time relying on the disbelief of the audience to carry the story like we’re in an interactive dime novel. Meanwhile, Mike has to give air time to these clowns that routinely ignore everything Mike says at these conferences. It’s pretty interesting to see Jan Harzan do the Bozo dance along with Mister Steven Greer trying to salvage his abloblob skeleton and yet everyone else there is speechless after Michael’s lecture.
The UFO subject clearly lacks a competition of ideas that usually stimulates an audience willing to hear out evidence and learn something if there is value to be present. Instead, the UFO subject has as much entertainment value as watching Joe Rogan’s pod casts which frequently resembles sitting at a pub/bar and just having a friendly bs discussion about whatever. Notice we never have any wizzos (WSO) at these conferences? There is a lot of other 40K+ thousands of people that could potentially be working on this supposed UFO stuffs but we seem to only have the Ripley’s volun-crutch crowd.