BILL DIAMOND’S RESIGNATION? SEE BELOW*
We now have the opportunity to boldly go wherever the facts may lead for the good of all humankind
I recently published An “Open Letter to SETI Director Bill Diamond”*. Bill was courteous enough to respond and to effectively change this to an open, and hopefully ongoing, conversation. I’m posting Bill’s response above my original open letter.
I’ll then post my response and follow with Bill’s next one, etc. Of course the Comments section is where you can pose your thoughts, questions, etc., as well, and which may possibly contribute to the conversation.
Again, my thanks to Bill for engaging in this discussion. As he said, “we’re on the same team. We have the same objectives.” Let’s see if we can meet them together and boldly go wherever the facts may lead for the good of all humankind.
March 24, 2021
Bill Diamond’s Credibility Gap
I hadn’t planned on making any further comments about the discussion with our friend Bill Diamond, until he responded, but then I found this nice presentation of his at Oxford University.
Bill clearly states that SETI’s “singular purpose, is the search for extraterrestrial life, from the molecular level on up” to the level of “technological civilizations”. How then has SETI given absolutely no thought to the possibility that a “technological civilization” might have developed…space travel?
I also learned that SETI is publicly (taxpayer) funded so, as members of the taxpaying public, aren’t we entitled to have SETI actually look through the proverbial telescope, to look at the evidence?
While SETI is still enamored with the Drake equation, the evidence that they refuse to consider relegates it to simply a step in the theoretical consideration of extraterrestrial life, a theory that is superseded by the…evidence.
Bill took great offense to our holding his feet to the fire. His message to us translates to: “Under no circumstances am I going to be forced to examine the evidence that SETI claims to be searching for, even though you, the public, is paying us to do so…and scientific integrity demands it.”
Unfortunately, the big takeaway for me from this presentation is Bill Diamond’s hypocrisy, revealing that his prejudice towards being presented with unimpeachable evidence of contact with extraterrestrial life – ongoing for almost 80 years with a reclusive Swiss man – is beneath his consideration. He may as well have just said, “Those damn extraterrestrials will contact us the way we want, using the methods we’ve decided they will use, nothing more and nothing less.”
So, once again, the “experts” snatch defeat from the jaws of victory and, once again, humankind is the loser.
BTW, here’s a press release about my having sent SETI information and evidence about the Meier contacts…6 years ago:
Bill, you and SETI are ther rankest of hypocrites and profiteers. You’re certainly not reputable scientists.
Michael Horn
March 23, 2021
Hi Bill,
To be clear, you were asked to respond to specific evidence – already independently authenticated by renowned scientific and aerospace experts, including a US astronaut and a former USAF OSI/Dept. of Defense Investigator. Three-quarters of my open letter introduced you to, and provided you with, their analyses and conclusions supporting this historically unprecedented discovery.
Addressing that was your assignment.
Instead you gave us a nice, but unasked for, history of SETI. That you should be surprised and/or offended that intelligent people, who already know far more than any SETI personnel about the well-documented, still ongoing contacts of Billy Meier, don’t respect being sloughed off, doesn’t speak well for your own knowledge and integrity.
Quite honestly, apart from administrative abilities, do you have any actual experience in analyzing evidence and claims which, “extraordinary” or not, simply require the application of the scientific method?
Even now you, again, glaringly ignore and disregard the only thing that was really asked of you. Is it because, as you already admitted, that your organization, which for 37 years is trying to live up to its name, doesn’t have even the most basic equipment, protocols and personnel to examine actual…evidence of what you claim to be searching for?
Those who’ve expressed their cynicism about this are also mindful of the fact that SETI’s been funded to the tune of millions of dollars, apparently to successfully not succeed in finding what it claims to be searching for. If those of us who already have found what SETI’s searching for, were interested in prioritizing things of less lasting importance and significance, we too might have sought profit over…discovery.
It seems you failed to communicate, genuinely and satisfactorily, to some of your very terrestrial brethren. Is this how you presume an extraterrestrial race would want to be “contacted”? Do you intend to tell them the “SETI story” as well?
Now, lest anyone jump to the conclusion that SETI is running a scam – with the same kind of disrespect and contempt for the public that Seth Shostak continues to insult people with – how’s about just…manning up here, Bill?
For a moment, please forget your sensitive feelings, your perceived hurts when people don’t buy being snowed with non-responsive double-speak. We know that for you, its a gig, an income, a nice position, etc. We don’t care, except for how you use that position in service of the truth.
That elephant in the room isn’t going away, it’s actually getting bigger. So, if you’d like some respect you don’t think you’ve gotten, try showing some. Right now you’re coming off as another “CEO” who can’t, or won’t, address the tough questions. A little push-back and you’re taking your marbles and going home.
In case it wasn’t clear: We don’t need SETI. We’re not holding our breath and waiting for some profound revelations. We already know what you obviously don’t. We already know what Seth Shostak is vainly and arrogantly trying to prevent others from knowing.
This outreach was intended to help SETI do its job, to help bring awareness to the people you reach that a far more advanced race has been in contact with one man on earth for almost 80 years. That the…reason for the contacts – detailed in thousands of pages of information – is to help us assure our own very threatened future survival.
I suggest you reflect on the unique position you are in, historically, and carefully consider if you wish to squander the opportunity, and diminish to insignificance your own legacy, because you’re a bit thin-skinned.
I hope you’ll tear up your resignation from this team and show some of the fortitude and backbone that you obviously must possess, in order to have become the Director of SETI.
Sincerely,
Authorized American Media Representative
The Billy Meier Contacts
*March 23, 2021
Hi Michael,
I tried to respond to your open letter in a matter-of-fact, unemotional manner, and to also do so with respect to the viewpoints of you and your cohorts. What I’ve seen in response, unfortunately, is a continuation of people hurling insults and responding with emotion and vitriol rather than intellect and rationale.
I’m always open to constructive conversation with rational, respectful and open-minded individuals, even if we hold very different viewpoints. I’m not open to conversations that devolve into exchanges of insults and I won’t lower myself or my Institution to that level. What I see is not constructive debate or conversation, but rather simple and close-minded childishness. So unfortunately, our conversation stops here.
Thanks and regards,
Bill
W H Diamond
President & CEO
Explore, Discover, Inspire
March 20, 2021
Dear Bill,
Below I’ve copied a few comments about our conversation. There are of course others, mainly supportive of our interaction, that have been sent to me through email that I don’t have permission to share.
Of course there are people who have harsher views but I don’t need to send you those comments. The purpose here is to let you know that there is a lot of interest and, of course, many people very familiar with the abundant, non-anecdotal evidence. I didn’t send you this list of 91 eyewitnesses, which also includes four other photographers, since it’s not of primary importance.
I myself am one of probably 30 more eyewitnesses, since the posting of this information. Of my own seven sightings, the one I had in Brazil was within 20’ of one of the small monitoring craft. Two other sightings I suspect were also of the Plejaren craft, the four others most probably of secret military craft. I find the UFO aspect interesting but certainly not as important as all of the impeccably prophetically accurate scientific information.
I hope that you will consider the interest, and points of view, of these people in your response:
(I included comments from readers here)
………
Sincerely,
MH
March 18, 2021
Dear Bill,
Thank you for responding, however, I think you misunderstood what was presented to, and what was requested of, you in my open letter.
While you gave a nice overview of SETI’s history, etc., you neglected to address the colossal elephant in the room:
The vast, unprecedented body of non-anecdotal, physical and informational evidence for the existence of, and ongoing contact with, an extraterrestrial race, independently analyzed and authenticated by world-renowned scientific experts.
I provided links to the evidence, which dates back to 1964, and to the various experts, whose diligent research and investigation spans more than 40 years. You responded with the Carl Sagan neologism, a nice-sounding but unscientific, prejudicial claim about “extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence”.
Is the claim that the earth revolves around the sun “extraordinary”, or did it just seem that way to those burdened by the beliefs and limitations of the time? The only thing necessary – for any claims and evidence – is to examine them using standard scientific methodologies and protocols. The facts will then be revealed.
You basically told us that while SETI has received enormous sums of money, over the 37 years since it was founded, it hasn’t lived up to its acronymic name and, in fact, conducts itself as if there’s no real expectation to ever to find what it claims to be…searching for. And you told us this without acknowledging the voluminous evidence.
You did tell us that you didn’t have – among your more than 140 scientists – any personnel who had the qualifications of the original investigative team, nor of any of the other experts. You told us that, despite having received many millions of dollars over the past several decades, you don’t have even the equipment used in the original investigation, as detailed here. I suppose you also don’t have the equipment used more recently, by Francisco Villate and Chris Lock in their 74-page analysis.
Lest you, or the readers, think that it’s impossible to discover or examine actual UFO evidence without these technologies, these examples show that anyone with a computer and Photoshop can do what SETI admittedly has failed to do..
As I’ve reminded Prof. Jason Wright and Prof. Avi Loeb, we need only look through the proverbial telescope, or now at our computer screens, to find with what is hidden plain sight.
In January 2019, among aerospace engineer and physicist Kelvin F. Long’s criticisms of SETI’s assumptions were:
“1) that interstellar flight is not possible”
“(3) that the Fermi Paradox and the Drake equation are the starting point (axioms) of all reasoning”
Proceeding from those arbitrary, antiquated assumptions, thoroughly and credibly contradicted and refuted by the already authenticated evidence, has proved to be a self-fulfilling prophecy for SETI. We are reminded of the popular quote about “doing the same thing, over and over, and expecting different results…”
Mr. Long echoed what I’ve been saying to, and about, SETI for at least 10 years. What he only criticized, I substantiated in the evidence I’ve been sending SETI for that long.
So far, it appears that the most “extraordinary claim” belongs to…SETI. Many people, worldwide found what SETI claims to be looking for, years before SETI was founded.
You’ve been kind enough to acknowledge that “we are on the same team. We have the same objectives”. So, you can rely on us to speak plainly and directly. As one of your co-team members – with senior experience to almost, or perhaps, all personnel involved in what SETI literally stands for – I am glad to provide the evidence that your part of the team can now thoroughly research, examine, analyze, etc.
Of course, this evidence was first gathered, researched, analyzed and authenticated by those who came before me, or any of the members of our current, expanded SETI/They Fly team. All of us, and humankind itself, owe them a debt of gratitude for bringing forward the most profound discovery in all of science and human history, i.e. the evidence, information and experiences of one “Billy” Eduard Albert Meier, whose ongoing contacts with the Plejaren extraterrestrials spans almost 80 years.
Let’s also, again, include what astronaut Gordon Cooper states, as fact, beginning at 0:09 in the video:
“A man in Switzerland who was contacted by extraterrestrials…Meier.”
He goes on to say:
“I saw the pictures the day after the investigative team went to Switzerland. I know the investigative team very well. They came to my home to show me all their pictures. Very fine, very fine they were absolutely authentic. And yet the whole world is trying their best to make them out to be fake.”
Once SETI feels that all criteria to substantiate the above have been satisfied, then we can move on as a team to discuss the most important and always unasked question:
“If this is authentic, what is the…the reason for the contacts?
We are prepared to show the evidence that reveals and substantiates:
The reason is to help us on earth assure our very threatened future survival…something vastly more important than the UFOs themselves.
We look forward to hearing from you how SETI wants to proceed and we stand ready to provide any assistance, additional information, evidence, etc., you may require.
Sincerely,
Authorized American Media Representative
The Billy Meier Contacts
March 17, 2021
Dear Michael,
Thanks again for your email and for your open letter.
First let me acknowledge that to the extent your interest and that of many others, in unidentified flying objects (UFOs) is predicated on the underlying implication that if some UFO’s are indeed extraterrestrial in nature, then we clearly share the same interest! Our shared interest in this question certainly means that we have the same ultimate objective and as such, there should be no reason for any ‘bickering’ or disagreement between us. There are, however, several reasons why the investigation of UFO phenomena fall outside our purview and expertise, even though the end objective is the same.
Although SETI as an acronym stands for “The Search for Extraterrestrial Intelligence” the underlying premise goes back to a paper published in 1959 by two Cornell astronomers who surmised that if there were other technological civilizations broadcasting signals in the radio region of the electromagnetic spectrum, it might be possible to detect their signals with radio telescopes. Needless to say, a radio signal confirmed to be technological in its origins and confirmed to be from beyond our solar system, would be definitive proof of the existence of other intelligent and technological civilizations. And to your point, such a discovery would be among the most profound in all of human history.
That early paper and the subsequent request by NASA to astronomers Frank Drake, Carl Sagan and others, to look into the scientific merits of SETI investigations, led to the formation of the Drake equation, which has since served not only as a reference for SETI endeavors, but also as a roadmap for the broader field of astrobiology, or the study of life in the Universe.
The SETI Institute was founded on the premise of looking for signs of technology in the form of radio signals using radio telescopes as a proxy for life and intelligence beyond Earth. Since its founding in 1984, the Institute’s science has expanded beyond radio astronomy to include a wide range of other research disciplines, including climate and geoscience, planetary exploration, exoplanets, astrobiology and heliophysics. Our research team is comprised of over 140 PhD scientists and affiliates coming from a wide range of disciplines all of whom contribute to their fields by conducting research based on laboratory experiments, field expeditions, ground and space based observations, radio astronomy, and instrument and technology development. The output of their work is the publication of findings in peer-reviewed journals, such as Science, Nature and others. Most of the research at the Institute is funded by NASA, with additional funding from NSF, USGS, NIH and private foundations, among others. Pure SETI programs using both radio and optical instruments are solely funded by philanthropic resources, as for the time being, neither NASA nor NSF fund such efforts.
Given our history and our origins, we have limited our research endeavors to the types of investigations that can be undertaken by qualified research scientists working within the investigative domains of mostly federally-funded agencies, and SETI programs where private individuals have sufficient interest and resources to provide funding. While radio astronomers doing SETI observations have a fundamental and profound interest in the search for intelligent life beyond Earth, they are not otherwise trained or skilled in the types of technologies that might be required to investigate UFO phenomena.
UFOs do represent the tantalizing prospect that there are indeed other technological civilizations in our Universe and they are present in our skies. But, this is a field that represents significant challenges for investigation using traditional scientific methods and approaches. Most evidence to date is anecdotal in nature and based on eye-witness accounts together with intriguing, but not definitive photographic and video images. The hypothesis that some UFOs may be evidence of extraterrestrial intelligence cannot be tested through the traditional approach of experimentation and observation. We do not at all deny the existence of these intriguing phenomenon, but we do not have the expertise nor the resources at the Institute to investigate them, nor do we have the funding to acquire such expertise. Special skills are needed to do such things as verify eye-witness accounts, or scientifically analyze photographic or video evidence, and these skillsets are not present at the Institute.
When considering the prospect of alien technology present on Earth or in our skies, however, some thought experiments are at least worth considering. The evidence seems clear that there is no other technological intelligence in our own solar system, so we have to look to other planetary systems to find evidence of technology beyond Earth. Our nearest neighbor star is Alpha Centauri at 4.2 lightyears distant. If we sent the New Horizons space craft to this system at its present speed, it would take 17,000 years just to get there. That’s a very long time, so it means that even our nearest neighbor is beyond the capabilities of any technology we can yet imagine for visiting or investigating with spacecraft. We also know that sending biology (as we know it) into space is fraught with difficulties, not least the potentially lethal levels of radiation that can be experienced during long-term space flight. It stands to reason, then, that any civilization with the technology to send living beings to Earth, or even autonomous machines, has technology far beyond anything we can yet conceive. It further stands to reason that such technology would be so advanced that the prospect of a crash-landing on one of Earth’s deserts is simply non-existent. Equally, if beings with such advanced technology want to help us (which would be a wonderful thing) they could certainly make their presence and intentions known in more obvious ways than to dart about our skies only to be seen in the most remote parts of our planet. And if they didn’t want to be observed, they would surely be able to outwit any technology or capability we have to try and do so.
Thinking through the technical and practical realities of what an alien presence in our skies implies, certainly makes the UFO hypothesis challenging. But, I like to remain open-minded enough to at least say ‘but not impossible.’
So again, Michael, we are on the same team. We have the same objectives, and if the first irrefutable evidence of intelligent life beyond Earth comes as a result of investigations into UFOs, we’ll be among the first to send our congratulations. In our own fields of research, however, the mandate is clear; extraordinary claims will require extraordinary evidence. Before we can stand up and declare a positive discovery, we know that our findings will have to be independently verified and will be subjected to intense scrutiny. Only upon the successful conclusion of such efforts will we be willing to definitively say “We are not alone!”
We wish you and your colleagues investigating UFO phenomena the very best in your endeavors and hope you wish us the same. With our respective, if independent efforts, at least the chances of discovery are greater.
With kind regards,
Bill
W H Diamond
President & CEO
Explore, Discover, Inspire
March 10, 2021
*An Open Letter to SETI Director Bill Diamond
The reason for the contacts is to help us on Earth assure our own, very threatened future survival
Dear Director Diamond,
For a number of years, I and others have reached out to SETI, specifically to Seth Shostak, to inform him of evidence and information which, decades of independent expert analysis and authentication show, deserves the immediate attention of SETI.
We think that this attention on your part will reveal that the evidence and information satisfies the search SETI’s been involved in for the past 37 years.
I am linking to my last article about what has frankly been a frustrating situation for us. I think it’s really unnecessary and foolish for people who have the same goal to be bickering, especially when it merely takes professional scrutiny on SETI’s part to vet the material.
We understand that the combined investigative information, included in A Preliminary Investigation Report, (542 pages) by Lt. Col. Wendelle Stevens, (USAF) and Light Years, (265 pages) by Gary Kinder, at over 800 pages, quite obviously contains many times more than the 5,000 – 6,000 words in standard peer reviews. Therefore, we don’t see any need to include Stevens’ A Supplementary Investigation Report (547 pages) unless requested.
Regarding peer review, Lt. Col. Stevens had the distinction of being tasked by the US Air Force, in 1947, with investigating UFOs, which he continued after leaving the service. His experience as a pilot and investigator is not likely to be equalled by many, if any, scientific experts who usually review astronomical material, etc. Stevens’ team, for the Meier case, included high-level investigators, Lee and Brit Elders, who provided counter-espionage and communication security services to Fortune 500 companies, banks, etc.
There is additional information from other scientific experts at NASA, JPL, USGS, McDonnell Douglas, IBM, etc., here, as well as by NASA aerospace engineer Matthew Wieczkiewicz, USAF OSI/Department of State investigator/supervisor Joe Tysk and in the photo analysis, as originally published in A Preliminary Investigation Report.
As you also know, in preparation for the rigors of their missions, our US astronauts are trained in photography, as well as briefed on sighting possible anomalous objects, etc. Like the special qualifications of Stevens, they have expertise that only a scientist with similar training would have. As such, these words by astronaut Gordon Cooper, pertaining to the photographic evidence from Mr. Meier, bear serious consideration:
“I saw the pictures the day after the investigative team went to Switzerland. I know the investigative team very well. They came to my home to show me all their pictures. Very fine, very fine they were absolutely authentic. And yet the whole world is trying their best to make them out to be fake.”
You’ll also notice that prior to making the statement above, beginning at 0:09 in the video, astronaut Cooper states, as fact:
“A man in Switzerland who was contacted by extraterrestrials…Meier.”
Included in the evidence I refer to as the “higher standard of proof”, i.e. even higher than the already authenticated UFO evidence, is an abundance of specific, error-free, scientific information that Mr. Meier verifiably published before “official discovery”, as copyrighted, dated documents – including Stevens’ books – confirm.
The information from Mr. Meier about Mars, black holes, etc., was both fascinating and perplexing for Ken Herkenhoff, the NASA/USGS scientist and PanCam and Microscopic Imager expert for one of the cameras onboard the Mars rovers, to whom I personally presented the information, on March 4, 2019.
Certainly, Mr. Shostak was mistaken in his assertions that SETI doesn’t have the necessary equipment, protocols, and personnel in place to analyze evidence for extraterrestrial life which, for 37 years, is the core purpose of the organization.
Perhaps Dr. Andrew Siemion, in his capacity as Chair for SETI Research, and with his expressed research interest in the search for extraterrestrial intelligence, would be an appropriate person to include in this discussion and to facilitate the requested evidentiary investigation.
One thing we can all agree on is that the confirmed existence of intelligent extraterrestrial beings would be the single most important development in all of science and human history…superseded only by actual contact with such beings.
Then of course, there is the largely unasked question, “If such beings exist and have made contact, what is their…reason for doing so?” I think the evidence we will freely and gladly provide, including that which I’ve documented over my 42 years of research, shows that the reason for the contacts is to help us on Earth assure our own, very threatened future survival.
Assuming for a moment that such beings exist and that this is their underlying reason for contacting us, certainly humankind will appreciate SETI’s contributing their resources and expertise to the exploration of the evidence and the implementation of the advice and recommendations they’ve suggested in order to, indeed, assure our future survival.
Sincerely,
Authorized American Media Representative
The Billy Meier Contacts
Good thoughtful letter from Bill Diamond. Very easy to settle this now. It is now time for the Plejaren to step up and meet with Bill.
Hi David,
I’m pretty sure that that ship sailed when the U.S. turned down their offer decades ago.
I think bill diamond should actually read the contact reports and while doing so put aside the ego and open his mind to the fact that billy has beaten them to the discovery of life beyond our solar system and for 75 years has stated facts well before the discovery by terrestrial scientists . . But I personally don’t think people like Bill diamond will ever be able to put aside there egos long enough to actually look and even if they did so and found the information in the contacts report to be true they would never openly admit it because for one thing they’d be out of a job and secondly the serious blow to their egos would be to painful. . And one last thing bill diamond it wasn’t so long ago that all the top so called scientists thought that the earth was flat and that all the planets revolved around the earth it only took a couple of hundred years to figure out they were wrong so let’s hope it doesn’t take SETI that long as well
Very nice summary Michael.
I get the impression he is stepping back from photos and sworn testimonials. Really not so much of a search then, more of a waiting for a finding.
The communication is sincere. I wonder if it is worth asking Billy if the Plejaren might provide a signal. Its not a visible contact and its likely to be debunked or missed at least publicly. However your not much of a scientist if you didn’t swing the radio telescope to the place Billy indicates.
I do get the impression there are a growing number of scientists that might challenge the status quo. It would take a push. Urgently Seti scientists could then if they took the time test Harry Lear workings for PI. They might even throw it into the models for a laugh. I suspect it would help a number of scientific pursuits not least of which detecting potential asteroid impacts.
The contacts stand up well to scrutiny – the trouble is the noise and falsification makes detailed scrutiny seem like a leap of faith. It really is not a leap of anything once you test enough of the evidence. The falsifications promoted by various charlatans who often I notice have something to promote actually stand out as smears. However in the headline 2 minute world its real easy to give up.
Thats the trouble with his response. He’s already giving up amicably as its not a radio signal.
I also note the call for extraordinary evidence. This Michael looks to me like an external prompt from our subverted belief waves. The statement is not logical or rational and points to an external reason that the individual can not change. Why would ordinary evidence not suffice? What does extraordinary evidence even look like?
On this test even a high five from a Plejaren is ordinary; what about entering a vehicle and flying into deepspace. Even these suggestions are no use although if they happened to me I would say they were extraordinary. The reason they can’t work is “evidence”. Already described as testable observations- you cant replicate something that is out of the ordinary.
Its a real shame as his logic and intellect are on the correct path. His open mind (possibly) effectively closed by an illogical contradiction. Maybe something can break this devilish loop.
What do you think a small sample of Plejaren music coming from afar?
Salome
Open, honest communication between people can move mountains. Open mindedness is a choice. Great to read that an understanding on the level of otherworldly terrestrials may come about between you and Seti.
Bill’s organization comprises of over 140 PhD scientists and affiliates?
Well it looks like he has 140 Pig headed Doctorates at his disposal.
Running from the truth -Selling out their children & grandchildren’s future..
Obtaining money under false pretenses.
Playing “pretend”, since they first heard about Billy.
They must live in a different world.
Salome
Bill seems to have a genuine desire to engage, but something is holding him back. It would be silly to suggest that SETI doesn’t know about Billy’s contacts with the Plejaren, but the real question is why don’t they want to investigate and get to the bottom of it? Isn’t that the purpose of their organization — the search for extraterrestrial intelligence?
As someone recently suggested, the answer may lie in the funding. If we know who is funding SETI, we might get a clearer picture of why they don’t want to look deeper into the scientific evidence that Michael sent them. I would hate to think that someone, or some entity, is holding SETI back from finding what they are looking for, but how else can one explain the lack of interest in what is clearly the most documented and evidence rich case to ever exist? The evidence will lead them to the truth.
It is my hope that Mr. Diamond would seriously contemplate the implications of remaining silent. The advancement of our civilization is in the best interest of all who are not a part of the ruling group on the planet. Bill’s future, our future and all of our descendants would greatly benefit from the truth being found and shared with the world.
Oh, then I guess money is like God to SETI and all the rest of those people who want to go back to school and work to pay their bills etc insead of doing what the Plejarens have done 52,000 years ago when the Ps did away with money and bills and decided to work 2 hours a day on shifts with no money, no bills etc. Why is money still the all being on Planet Stupid and we are still acting like greedy little imbizos etc?
Because earthworms are greedy, stupid and power-hungry. Some people like to control, subjugate and abuse others while they live high on the hog.
I couln`t agree more.
Humanity could take a huge leap foward if this guy has the courage to study the material with an open mind .
Absolutely! let’s hope Mr. Diamond wishes to stand with the line of truth!
What I am thankful about and something that Director Diamond seems to be overlooking is that in order to study the actual evidence provided by the Mier Contact Reports and other writings one does not need a PHD degree nor any expensive equipment and no government funding.. the beautiful thing is that through observation of how control works on this planet the Extra Terrestrials devised a plan to get the information out to any ordinary human being willing to excercise a bit of logic.
Also not to be antagonistic, but what is up with SETIs logo.. The logo appears to be an accronym but why is the S backward? Are they really searching or are they doing the opposite of what that S represents?
The problem with Mr Diamond is that he has a vested intellectual interest in proving what he has been assigned to prove, any other proof irrelevant. Talk about scientific close mindedness! Imagine if Ptaah walked into his office and told him they haven’t used that means of communicating in 50,000 years! The premise is the thing! It just becomes an obsession to prove themselves right. They delude themselves telling themselves they’re scientists. Real scientists wouldn’t care where the proof came from.
Bill Diamond writes, “Needless to say, a radio signal confirmed to be technological in its origins and confirmed to be from beyond our solar system, would be definitive proof of the existence of other intelligent and technological civilizations. And to your point, such a discovery would be among the most profound in all of human history.”
IMO Michael should call his bluff and speak to Billy to see if the Plejaren are willing to send signals at a certain time and place from outside the solar system, which can be witnessed by Michael and recorded for prosperity and upon agreement that if such signals are picked up, that SETI agree to publicize this “profound” discovery and start declaring that Meier has and is in contact with extraterrestrials which they will no doubt want to do according to their stated goals.
The Plejaren’s offer to the Carter administration wasn’t refused by the government – it was never passed on and so this could be another way to make themselves known. Just an idea.
As I noticed with MUFON (they where right across the street where I was living); none of these people and/or groups desire proof, truth, facts, etc.., they are to entrenched in the grant money, power, greed, their brand, their following, etc.., to ever consider taking a sincere, unbiased look at the FIGU information.
Well, nice that Mr. Bill send answer to letter, shame that i read it like very primitive and childish way of looking and searching for “et life”. If they want radio signal, Ptaah and Eduard maybe think about giving Them morse code something like: “Greetings from very very far away, look and read carefully all Contact Reports from 1975 till today writed by Our great friend Billy who live near You, and learn His very wise teaching ect.” 🙂
Mr. W. H. Diamond,
Please allow me to start by thanking you for your response to our open letter. It was greatly appreciated.
However, your response has confused me slightly. I do not see how your actions and/or SETI’s actions match your written words. That being said, please allow me to take a moment and elaborate on one of the many contradictions that have confused me.
You stated, “So again, Michael, we are on the same team. We have the same objectives, and if the first irrefutable evidence of intelligent life beyond Earth comes as a result of investigations into UFOs, we’ll be among the first to send our congratulations. In our own fields of research, however, the mandate is clear; extraordinary claims will require extraordinary evidence. Before we can stand up and declare a positive discovery, we know that our findings will have to be independently verified and will be subjected to intense scrutiny. Only upon the successful conclusion of such efforts will we be willing to definitively say ‘We are not alone!’” If you truly meant this statement, then why haven’t you or anyone at SETI looked at the over 800 pages of independently verified evidence, along with the written testimonies and investigations from scientific experts at NASA, JPL, USGS, McDonnell Douglas, IBM, etc., or the expert analysis and report provided by USAF OSI/Department of State investigator/supervisor Joe Tysk? All of this evidence is court admissible with the ability and potential to prove, beyond a reasonable doubt through the scientific method, that contact with extraterrestrial intelligence is happening.
You have been presented with the analysis and statements from experts at NASA, JPL, USGS, McDonnell Douglas, IBM, USAF OSI/Department of State Investigator/Supervisor, etc., who have subsequently gone on record saying that the existence of extraterrestrial intelligence with contact is not only happening, but also provable through the scientific method. With all due respect, if this does not qualify as “extraordinary evidence,” then what does qualify?
Secondly, would this not constitute as a “successful conclusion” of independently verified evidence that has subsequently already been subjected to intense scrutiny utilizing the scientific method!?
In closing I would like to ask you a simple question: were you and the SETI Institute truthful when you stated, “we’re on the same team. We have the same objectives.” Or is this simply, yet again, hypocrisy?
Respectfully,
Andrew T. Dilts
Its a good response. Fingers crossed the negative loop that closes the mind has been broken.
If it has not, likely the next email will be more stand offish. He may well state further illogical untruths: i don’t have time; its not my job; there’s nothing I can do.
I will stay positive – maybe he can find a lower grade staff member and ask for a review. Even looking at the links sent its quite compelling and may prompt some changes.
I certainly acknowledge that the barrier to people finding the truth is more complex than it seems. The first barrier which I now suspect is external is quickly reinforced by a secondary one. The secondary one is internal and relates to self responsibility. In our society we are constantly bombarded with data that tends towards. Its not your fault; you are not responsible; it is being looked at elsewhere; God has a plan.
It really hurts putting the last one in but unfortunately the human beliefs- the power of our thoughts has been set against our own selves. It is so obviously against nature, it really hurts.
Fingers crossed Mr Diamond can hold the course – stay open and ask for a report. It still might not go far but every inch is getting critical for humanity.
Salome
Robert “There is NO such thing as a God! God DIOSN`T exist!” Salome
I understand Terry, its one of the confused responses used. It needs no proof as it is simply belief. So you cant discuss it through reality. Burned bridges, what bridges where? Extraordinary evidence, not photos or witnesses or scientific research too ordinary…
It is the ultimate handwashing after the illogical argument. The full stop, the underline – the signal the person absolves themselves. No longer their concern and further pursuit is pointless.
So a bit like saying I will pass you now to my imaginary friend Fred. Thats who to blame thats where the buck stops.. speak to Fred…
Such people have clearly lost certain cognition. Bizarrely it is seen as pious or humble. With the first lie so honered: now we celebrate the double speak. A politic answer, a gracious reply and with each instance we turn of our brain. Its illogical nonsense.
Hysterically we now venerate those that can work the spin. To lie and return and not to admit. To claim you are right when the facts say your wrong. To fail and be celebrated- its not what you know its who you know.
Any wonder humanities spirit is as damaged as it ever was.
This must be flat out frightening for any advanced race looking on. Strategic nuclear weapons, smaller to make them more usable — wait, WHAT! The humans know the half life is measured in millennia — yes — but why, how? — they believe they will be saved — but they are pulling the trigger, they must expect death and suffering, they know about radiation — they absolve themselves. It can not be wrong, for if it was, they would be struck down — has this ever happened — no — and they know this — ofcourse but everyone understands its their own fault in this religion — the innocent are not guilty of the action — the innocent are most guilty for the religious humans — look i like the Plejaren but seriously, this Earth, is it going to get better?
Well I for one hope so. Thanks for the ibs links.
Salome
Show Bill Diamond (or is it Cubic Zirconia?) Your beamship photographs on a live recorded Skype or Zoom call so we can see his reaction.
Also the sound recordings too.