Agency can’t find small statured, bald terrestrial life form; doesn’t bode well for search for ET
Question:
From: Seth Shostak <sshostak@seti.org>
Date: Fri, Feb 26, 2021, 9:16 PM
Subject: RE: Confirmed Existence of Extraterrestrials!?
To: Andrew Dilts <dilts.andrew.t@gmail.com>
So what ever happened to Michael Horn? About a decade or so ago he was flogging the Billy Meier story, until he was kind of ignored. Whatever happened to him?
Answer:
Dear Seth,
Andrew Dilts forwarded your inquiry to me, so thank you for the opportunity to respond. Actually, quite a bit has happened since last we were in touch regarding the Billy Meier UFO contacts and the evidence for them.
I noticed that you told Andrew that Billy Meier’s:
“films and photos are blatantly contrived.”
So, let’s first correct this blatantly inaccurate and defamatory claim. I’ve added emphasis to what US astronaut Gordon Cooper stated:
“I saw the pictures the day after the investigative team went to Switzerland. I know the investigative team very well. They came to my home to show me all their pictures. Very fine, very fine they were absolutely authentic. And yet the whole world is trying their best to make them out to be fake.”
Cooper was referring to Meier’s pre-digital era UFO photos like this:
…and others here, including these two taken from inside one of the UFOs:
As you should know, Cooper, like other astronauts, was also a photographer and, of course, quite familiar with spacecraft.
The singular authenticity of Meier’s evidence was first established by the experts who analyzed and authenticated it, decades ago during the original investigation, and by scientists from NASA, JPL, McDonnell Douglas, IBM, USGS, etc. As you can see, Matthew Wieczkiewicz, a NASA aerospace engineer, also supports Meier’s authenticity.
In their recent analyses, Francisco Villate (Rhal Zahi) and Chris Lock, used modern, state-of-the-art software and technologies, which were obviously not available to Meier. These analysts provided their protocols for other investigators to utilize. You received this information some time ago. Did anyone at SETI utilize these tools and technologies to analyze Meier’s evidence, or did they just choose to…ignore it?
- Since you disagree with Gordon Cooper’s opinion, and those of the other experts, please provide your analysis of Meier’s photos and films to substantiate your claims and show where they were wrong.
Means, Motive & Opportunity
Another high-level expert who disagrees with you is Joe Tysk, a former investigator/supervisor for the USAF OSI and Department of Defense. During his years in military intelligence, Tysk was tasked with protecting the security of the country and the lives of the hundreds of millions of people living here. As you can see in his analysis and authentication of Meier’s earliest evidence, he has a question for skeptics, such as yourself:
“Where did Billy Meier get a photo album with dozens of UFO photos back in 1964?”
A former skeptic of the Meier case himself, Tysk was referring to Meier’s photos from India, like this one below of a UFO that was witnessed by over 100 people:
- In fact, Meier had 80 UFO photos in that album, about a dozen of which still remain. So, Seth, where did he get them? And how did Meier know precisely when and where to go to take them, and the additional 1,100 photos, films and video, as well?
As the head of SETI, your statements represent the official position of an organization that purports to be qualified to make determinations regarding what constitutes evidence for extraterrestrial life and contact with it. So, how is it that having been in its self-assumed role for 37 years – and clearly on record as attacking the man and his evidence – SETI has never published your/their analyses of Meier’s evidence showing that he had the means, motive and opportunity (MMO) to hoax it, as Tysk said is required?
Maybe what you told Robert, in 2015 , explains it:
Dear Robert,
Thanks for the email. The SETI Institute doesn’t investigate UFO phenomena — it’s not our field of research. I might also note that the majority of people that I’ve talked to consider the Meier evidence to be faked. Certainly looks that way to me. And there’s an important point to be noted: We’ve learned nothing from it.
Cheers,
Seth Shostak
Such embarrassingly amateurish claims of the “it-looks-like-a-hoax-to-me” variety that you make on behalf of The SETI Institute don’t constitute analysis.
Peer Review?
You asked Andrew about a peer review for Meier’s evidence but who would his “peers” be? Are you one of Meier’s peers, qualified to pass judgment on his evidence and information…without analyzing it? What about Harvard Professor Avi Loeb, who only has a wild theory but no evidence to substantiate it?
Or the “scientists” who, as NASA scientist Jonathan K. Jiang proudly told me, peer-reviewed and approved his silly theory about extraterrestrial life having “annihilated itself.”…which Meier’s 1964 evidence falsified, as has all of his evidence since then?
The Language of Science
Another official utterance informs us that SETI expects communications with extraterrestrials “will come through the language of math”.
Why would SETI presumptuously project limitations on a race which, if it can traverse the vastness of space to contact us, should certainly be able to learn our languages here on earth?
In fact, the Plejaren extraterrestrials who’ve been in contact with Meier, for almost 80 years, have long been speaking to us…in the language of science. And in German to boot!
The Higher Standard of Proof
In addition to the ironclad physical evidence, the 45,000 pages of information in the Meier contacts are overflowing with this “higher standard of proof”, an elegant way of letting us know that we are indeed not alone in the universe…and that their intentions are demonstrably benevolent.
Provided to and published by Billy Meier long before “official discovery” are hundreds of specific examples of error-free scientific information about black holes, asteroids, comets, etc., as well as every planet in the solar system including Jupiter and Mars (which completely boggled the mind of NASA/USGS scientist Ken Herkenhoff, who specializes in imaging Mars).
Meier’s prophetically accurate environmental information establishes that he was the first person to foretell unnatural, manmade climate change, global warming, destruction of the ozone layer, etc. (See more here.) There is a good deal of legally admissible courtroom quality evidence contained therein.
As Joe Tysk asked about the UFO photos and films, by what means has Meier been able to provide hundreds of specific, error-free examples of prophetically accurate scientific information…if not from far more advanced beings?
Still Searching?
Seth, both you and Joe initially believed the Meier contacts must be a “hoax”. But Joe did what any true scientist should do, he analyzed the evidence. The facts superseded his beliefs, and what Joe concluded in eight months made it possible now for the average person to comprehend and corroborate in…10 minutes.
I’ll rhetorically ask, how many decades has SETI been “searching” for extraterrestrial intelligence? I suggest taking the 10 minutes to save you another 37 years.
The Reason
This brings us to the question never asked, or even considered:
“If the UFO contacts are actually real, what’s the…reason for them?”
The reason for the Meier contacts isn’t for us to chase lights-in-the-sky, nor to make polite conversation at cocktail parties. The real reason is to help us assure our future survival, which is now even far more threatened than when young Eduard Albert Meier, and his father, first saw a Plejaren spacecraft flying above their lovely, pastoral Swiss village, in 1942.
Based on arbitrary assumptions, SETI has concocted a sci-fi fantasy of how contact with extraterrestrials should occur and built their castle in the sky around it. Being clever enough to sell this bill of goods doesn’t negate the fact that contact is going on now, for almost 80 years, and SETI isn’t – nor will it ever be – part of it. Even if only for the reason that it attacked, defamed and disparaged the actual contactee, the person that the extraterrestrials chose to interact with them.
More paychecks at SETI, perhaps, contact…no.
- Now, please do the right thing:
1. Start by credibly answering Joe Tysk’s simple question:
“Where did Billy Meier get a photo album with dozens of UFO photos back in 1964?”
2. Then factually substantiate your accusations that Meier’s “films and photos are blatantly contrived” and credibly demonstrate why all the other experts who authenticated them are incorrect.
These quite reasonable requests aren’t rhetorical. Your responses will represent SETI’s official position…and integrity. As will any lack of responses.
Your Original Question
As for your original question about whatever happened to little ol’ me, in addition to recently discovering the never before seen, historically unprecedented 1981 photos of a UFO interacting with a (then top secret) US Stealth fighter at Groom Lake, Nevada:
I’ve spent the last 42 years researching and studying the most important true story in all of science and human history, presented by the man who’s lived it. All of the freely given information, knowledge and wisdom to help assure our future survival has been provided by Billy Meier and the generous and caring human beings who’ve taught, as well as learned from him for the past 79 years.
It’s led me to strive to learn more about life, love, the secrets of the universe and the laws of Creation.
I hope that your waiting for radio signals for an almost equal length of time has been even remotely as beneficial and enlightening since, according to SETI, it’s:
“The only way to find out is conducting experiments and looking for that signal.”
If not, consider watching some nice views of the Swiss countryside and an informative film on Amazon.
I look forward to hearing from you at your earliest convenience.
Sincerely,
Michael Horn
Authorized American Media Representative
The Billy Meier Contacts
See also:
An Open Letter to SETI Director Bill Diamond
INTERESTING NEW INTERVIEW!
A few previous articles pertaining to SETI:
Whatever happened to that smart idea of contacting extraterrestrials to the equivalent
of a Ham radio station connected to Dish Array.
How does he know Billy isn’t in contact with ETs? Why denigrate Billy without looking at the evidence he provided? He doesn’t have a leg to stand on so we need a crowd of other people to support his suppositions. Thanks to the magic of the internet, he can look this stuff up on his own.
Interested in his answer … Thank You Michael!
Hi Michael,
I am coming to the conclusion that all of us that have a good foundation on the BEAM/FIGU information form an even stronger robust alliance & not waste to many hours of the day on all of those nonsensical, idiotic, so called subject matter experts.
So Damn funny, Michael! Don’t let him worm-out of his slime!
Well done, Michael. Very tactful &to the point…BOOM!
The truth never lies or falsify the reality that’s present & is to come. Salome.
Hi Mike,
What ever happened to Seth Showstuck, our favorite non-ET contacting expert? Does he suggest we rename his organization as the NSETI (Non-Search for ETI)?
I don’t know why folks in this self-promotional line of work keep saying ETs. I don’t think the ETs call themselves ETs right? I don’t know why they use this label all the time and still calling what we’re doing in search of ETs suggesting 50-100% of what they’re doing is literally searching for ETs and yet its more like they really don’t do any of that because its just some label they made up.
Also, why do folks like this have to vilify someone like Billy that suggests actually providing what’s he’s literally looking for. And, when you bring it up we always seem to bring up an audience of people or group session just to provide self-assurance to disagree with you or Billy. So what is Billy supposed to do if we’re just voting a popularity contest without evidence?
Sorry, for the UFO folks out there this is the just the nature of Billy who has his own life to live and isn’t going to play the ET game you want him to play for you. I don’t think anyone that works a real job would do that either, just saying. I’m sorry if they don’t like it but that’s just common sense. Doesn’t really get more simple than that.
If they’re still complaining about Billy’s evidence in 2021 it’s probably because they’re bad at finding ETs and bad at their self-described job. There is no exclusivity clause with ETs or with Billy. So, when Billy with one arm does what he does that somehow not good enough? But I guess folks with Seth’s attitude would be right if they have a lot of foks with the same attitude that never actually want to look for ETs and find a real challenge, but instead have a mindset to create an alternate universe for themselves.
Seth sho is stakin up some BS. Time he faced the reality if he has the courage.
Mabye Seth has got his stupid radio telescope perring out in the wrong direction of the sky looking for shooting comets, asteroids or whatever not ever going to find good kind benevolent human extraterrestrials who want to secure our verify own survival here on earth.
After all there are good kind helpful human beings like the Plejarens are most certainly trying their best to get us earthowrm savages out of this horrible nightmair calld COVID 19, wars, degerative behaviors such as god, religions, money, politics, and so on ,etc. ” These are human beings like us but more evolved and more advanced, etc ,etc.”
SETI trying to find extraterrestrials with radio ways would be like trying to intercept internet traffic by looking for smoke signals.
SETI hasn’t worked for 80 years. It will never work because it’s looking with obsolete technologies from the ET’s point of view. The ETs have technology to travel light years of distance in a very short amount of time. Using radio waves to communicate that are thousands of times slower than their beam ships they travel in would be hilarious if they were that stupid.
Light and radio waves are limited to the speed of light. Gravity waves and other quantum effects propagate instantly across the universe. The money wasted on SETI would be far better spent investigating more advanced communication mechanisms.
Stupid is as stupid does.
You rock Michael Horn!
The perfect time for a Forrest Gumpism if…Ella there was one!
This is so interesting. How come people are in denial of Billy Meier’s ET contac? Rather than judging those people, it may be interesting to consider where they may be coming from, if they are protecting certain beliefs, what they may be winning or losing with not believing. Maybe their minds enjoy creating a conflict of opinions, making themselves being in possession of “the only truth”.
I think that we humans would be so far ahead if we would be open to the wisdom of many suggestions made by beings from a different planet.
We want to be the only ones in the universe, but we are not, and we are not very intelligent either. We are damaged, since the beginning of history. Our minds are manipulated to believe in a certain way. We should know better than this. Look at the wisdom in nature, in our bodies, and then look at the stupidity of the human mind. Crazy. We are being hacked, we are being limited, conditioned. And the hacked mind does not want to hear about ET contact.
So far the way this material is being presented is not working too well. Maybe there is a different way.
Hi Maria,
Regarding “judging those people”, I want to point out that (if you’re talking about criticism of SETI) that organization is funded for the expressed purpose of searching for extraterrestrial intelligence. For a good many years – as the 36 articles I’ve included show – an abundance of first rate, unequalled, still irreproducible, testable evidence (as well as years of prior analyses and authentication) were provided to them.
SETI has not only refused to do their own analyses but they’ve suppressed and attacked the evidence and Meier himself. Since their DECADES of sitting around waiting for “contact” via radio signals, etc., have been an utter failure, the real question is, why haven’t they been exposed for running this scam and defunded…LONG AGO?
The way the material is being presented actually utilizes EVERY possible means available, including articles, press releases, out reach to scientists, journalists, media of every form, etc., etc. So, as far as “a different way” the fact is – as I’ve begged of everyone interested – that…YOU, the people who now know, contact and bombard organizations like SETI, any and all scientists, journalists, etc., and demand accountability, answers, investigating and REPORTING on the singularly authentic Meier contacts.
Really, anyone who understands and agrees with the overall evidence and position can do at least as much as I – and even more in some cases because when they receive information, requests, desmands, etc., from the so-called “average person” it has MORE of an impact than when I as the representative do it.
So, to all concerned, you can get contact info for SETI online.
Let them hear from YOU.
Sorry Michael. I didn’t mean to question hou you are spreading Billy’s materials.I was talking about Billy’s contact with Pleidians itself. I feel frustrated about how the only contact with extraterrestial beings I know about, the one between Billy Meier and the Pleidians, is happening. Help is highly needed. If the Pleidians truly intend to help us they could communicate in a different way, do something in my opinionn more efficient. To talk with just one person does not go very far. Are there recent contacts?Are there any pictures from recent contacts? The Pleidians have the intelligence and the means to do it differently and more efficiently. Why is it not happening? Maybe it is important to do it this way, how could I know. I just see what they are accomplishing, which in my opinion is not much.
Hi Maria,
If the Plejaren (their real name, there are NO Pleiadians) are smart enough to get here in their very advanced craft, and have been trying to help us for a very long time, I think it’s more a matter of the deficiencies of earth human beings and our limited thinking capacities.
An important aspect of this teaching is that we are completely self-responsible for our own lives. I don’t think it’s particularly useful to be criticizing the way that an alleged extraterrestrial race is trying to assist us, when it’s been made clear that it is up to us, now that we’ve had so much information and evidence presented to us.
Fundamentally, to be looking outside of ourselves for answers is kind of a religious perspective. People should also consider if they’ve had a religious upbringing and/or hold religious beliefs, etc. A good exercise is to contemplate…HOW each of us can contribute something to helping our overall situation, in harmony with the advice and recommendations from Meier and the Plejaren.
Thank you, M.H. You are right, looking for an answer from out of ourselves is a kind of a religious perspective. I have it, I am afraid. I would love there would be a voice from out of the planet that would not have to follow our ways, rules, laws, systems, and that would help to bring real harmony to the Earth. With the technology the speed of the planet deteroration is increasing. Many people are becoming zombielike creatures. Unless something happens that turns the people consciousness on, then things are going to get very ugly eventually. We humans are too divided, too spoiled, too selfish. If any change happens is too slow and does not have much of significance. I’d wish to be more positive.
Sorry for my judgment. Looking at the past I see a pattern of chosen individuals receiving a message from above and then being interpreted as a saviour. Take for example Jesus and Mohamed. Now we have two organized religions. So I distrust the Plejaren’s choice of communicating to just an individual and creating some kind of Messiah.
Hi Maria,
This could really be summed up by pointing out that it isn’t the Plejaren’s, or Billy Meier’s, fault that they work with most qualified individual to not only meet with them and bring the spiritual teaching to us, but who has the strength of character to endure the outrages of the very human beings that they are trying to help.
Put another way, the people of earth themselves have chosen to be abysmally stupid, superstitious, violent, arrogant, ignorant, etc. – for thousands of years. And now the stupid is rising faster than we can bail.
Forget about trusting the Plejaren – or anyone else. Learn to trust yourself and to be able to discern the truth…and forget the rest. You can’t do anything about it anyway.
Thank you, you are right. I cannot do anything anyway. Somehow I had this dream, probably taken from a book or a movie, with more advanced siblings from out of the space, who would be assisting with their more evolved consciousness and common sense. Billy Meier’s contact was for me like a fresh shower in the arid reality of daily affairs. Then I read about Billy Meier presenting himself as a chosen one, as a Messiah. The whole thing crumbled into pieces. The same stupid story once again. So now I live in the countriside where once there was a forest. I plant trees and I plant my vegetables. That’s all I can do. It is not right. Something else could be done. Maybe the contact with Plejarem can turn into something more helpful if the right communication with them is achieved.
Maria,
Where did you get this utter nonsense:
“Then I read about Billy Meier presenting himself as a chosen one, as a Messiah.”
Maybe if you weren’t seeing things through a…religious filter you wouldn’t say such foolish things. Maybe the question should be:
“Why would a man who’s been subjected to 23 attempts on his life – some by all those good, ‘God-fearing’ religious monsters – STILL try to be bring the truth, the peace, love, freedom and harmony, to a world full of greedy, violent, superstitious, barely human beings?”
As for:
“Maybe the contact with Plejarem can turn into something more helpful if the right communication with them is achieved.”
Perhaps it’s time for:
“Maybe the contact with the Plejaren can turn into something more helpful…if I learn how to think, to search for the truthful answers, to grasp that a more advanced people who’ve gone through their own difficult evolution, have lovingly reached out to us, through a man who is also their teacher, to help us to help ourselves and learn how the universal laws and recommendations operate. Maybe then, when I do my part and stop whining, complaining, demanding, criticizing and start…understanding, I’ll grasp that the help has always been at hand.”
Thank you, Michael. It is definitively time for the turn you talk about.
Why do we have to make excuses for people that fail at doing their job? Why does no one else for more than a half century provided the same evidence as Billy who has one arm? Maybe it’s because they search like Mr. Shostack does.
Maybe the hardest thing to digest is that Billy and the P’s aren’t looking at whatever title someone goes by through his contacts and don’t care about a guru, director, etc. title. When you listen to the UFO subject, do you care if the person is a guru or Director? It’s the evidence and context right? If you don’t have evidence then I don’t care or want to hear about a fluff story how cool and smart someone is and what makes them special. I don’t care if you are Director level with classified intelligence that reveals absolutely nothing of value. I don’t care if whatever strange phenomena you had if there is nothing tangible about it no matter how much tunnel vision is required to look through it. There doesn’t seem to be that many ordinary folks that seem to be fixated at title and image management as much as the UFO subject has attracted.
But I do see Billy’s stuff is plagiarized repeatedly.
Contrived:
Oxford: planned in advance and not natural or what somebody claims it is
Collins: obviously planned, artificial, or lacking in spontaneity; forced; unnatural
Cambridge: too obviously designed to produce a particular result, and therefore not seeming to happen naturally
Merrian-Webster: having an unnatural or false appearance or quality
Well, yes, one could say that that is partly the idea of this kind of evidence. An easy escape for a world of delusional believers who, when faced with such inescapable truth, would chuck themselves under the next available truck. It shows how much respect for life our Erran cousins have. And any UFO researcher needs to consider how his/her fellow mankind thinks and feels before determining when and how an extraterrestrial race would present iteself to this world.
If Meier was the kind of person who fakes UFO photos in order to deceive people, and clearly has the ability to fake things that nobody else in the world can reproduce, over many decades, then why would he not make them look more ‘Hollywood’ so as to give the people what they would expect to see? A deceiver does not set out to …not deceive. How can it be that a doctor cannot work through that thought process?
The ‘Search for Terrestrial Intelligence’ continues.
A very good interview MH! You were able to touch base on a lot of avenues!
Thanks Jessy, I was pleasantly surprised to have the conversation with an intelligent and interested person who normally isn’t discussing things pertaining to Ufos, etc.
Dear Discussion,
I have written to Seth Shostak several times with the hopes of SETI of waking up and going to see Billy…
Obviously it has not worked. Michael has at least gotten to him enough to show some simulation of scientific attitude towards this awesome, credible case.
We are the Anti civilization where good is bad and bad is good the peace sign is upside down and overpopulation is a ride like a video game. We think Jesus was real and Jmmanuel was fake and Judas hung himself when he wrote a translation of the Goblet and it was mistranslated by folks unknowing of the truth. So it is hard to know what is the truth, when it is told to you by politicians and clergy whose very existence is paid for telling untruth.
We have to seek what is true and the Billy Meier is true I think.
Our history is told back 140 Billion years, any other source for this? Watch this excellent movie by Michael and Jack: Silent Revelation of Truth instigated by the thoughts of a 12 year old Plejaren girl names Claudina Icarina: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VzND2-NnwnY If it does not work look it up iat Youtube.com and watch it, very informative.
Salome: be greeted in peace and wisdom.
Randy,
Thanks, that’s precisely it, the Anti civilization.
And there’s more to come about Shostak and SETI, pretty outrageous stuff.
I think that the issue with extraterrestial contact is not about who is right and who is wrong. It is about how we can benefit from actual or channeled contact from beings from another planet. If people or institutions believe it or not is their own business. But if some of the information can help our planet or humanity, then we should listen. For example many people believe that crop circles are made by ET forces, which may be the truth. But I cannot see those circles are helping. So, I don’t think those circles are so relevant. I love Billy Meier’s story of encounters with Pleidians and I agree very strongly with their claim that human overpopulation is destroying this planet. Overpopulation is not changing. So we need to figure it out how to bring this message in a way that would work. Hopefully someone out there can help, so we will not keep on needing wars and viruses to control us.
When a finder organization sets itself up to do a very specific thing, in this case also naming themselves SETI (Search for ExtraTerrestrial Intelligence) it’s not a “who’s right/who’s wrong” issue. It’s a far greater one of integrity, honesty, credibility and, since the actual, confirmed existence of – AND CONTACT WITH – extraterrestrials would be the most important event and true story in all of science and human history – to do what SETI’s doing is fraudulent, a betrayal of their own stated purpose as well as the public trust, and a crime against humankind for the willful suppression of all the facts and evidence.
Now that you know, perhaps let one of those “someone out their”…be you.
Great Interview Michael. Really enjoyed the podcast conversation. The host seemed open minded.