Attacks Wendelle Stevens’ Groom Lake photos of UFO and top-secret Stealth fighter, as well as Billy Meier, me, the Easter bunny, etc.
The holidays seem to bring out all sorts of things. For one, they brought the ever-angry and frustrated skeptic, Luis Cayetano, into my otherwise peaceful existence.
In his recent article, Cayetano wastes no time getting to his ad hominem attacks, which include the false and unsubstantiated claims of “doctored photographs” and a “Meier cult”. I responded to him quite sincerely explaining that, not being familiar with military aircraft, I didn’t know the photos were of a Stealth fighter until later and assumed they were some of the Mirage photos from decades ago. I did explain that I wasn’t an expert in aircraft, nor was I that focused on UFOs, as I began to explain to people, in 1999:
But Luis is a particularly determined, and confused, fellow, hell-bent on proving the existence of a “Billy Meier” cult, and he advises anyone considering membership in the imaginary “cult” that “some not-inconsiderable financial fees apply”.
Confident that his vitriolic article, with its inane and inaccurate claims, had revealed some hoax, etc., he challenged me: “You won’t be promoting my article because you know full well that it exposes your laziness and corruption, etc.” Oh gosh, what an original ploy.
So, during this season, designated as it is for gratitude, please do read Luis’ hatchet job, let me know if you find any unanswered questions and…be grateful you’re not Luis, seething with all that anger, resentment and envy. And certainly feel free to send him some good, peaceful thoughts.
Addendum: April 30, 2021 email from photo expert, formerly with Kodak:
Michael,
Thank you so much for sending the photo. I will do my best to have it back to you in the mail early next week.
Note that Xavier used the phrase, “If I had to testify”. Perhaps whoever’s in charge of Cayetano’s mental health will be equally forthcoming.
This is from Luis’s blog….
Why UFOs are (almost certainly) not extraterrestrial, interdimensional, supernatural etc.
“1) No unassailable evidence exists that we’ve been visited by otherworldly beings. None…. ”
and
“While I think that life is probably widespread in the universe, I don’t think that we have been visited by extraterrestrials.”
I find these people on Quora. He won’t accept any of the many types and quantity of hard or soft evidence. He doesn’t think any evidence of ET existence exists on Earth. You don’t even need the Meier evidence to see that ETs have been coming here for a long time, but Meier’s evidence proves they are coming here now.
Luis, if you are a skeptic, why do you feature a giant image of Meier’s beamship photo on your “about me” page?
Wendelle Stevens actually explained EXACTLY why there is no unassailable evidence given by the Plejaren…
an excerpt from “UFO contact from the Pleiades” by Wendell Stevens:
“Eduard Meier has been given adequate proof of the validity of all these things, but he is not permitted to use it to persuade any other human being against his own will. Meier’s primary instrument of validity is the collection of certain photographs of the extraterrestrial spacecraft which will never be duplicated. We may add here that there are photographs which have also been prepared as an “escape”, if and when that should become necessary. We are not permitted to point them out as it violates the freedom of choice rule within the free will aspects of each individual. It is for this same reason that all positive and indisputable proof has been withheld by the extraterrestrials themselves, and when anything that might become provable came into the hands of Meier, it was taken by the Pleiadians, thus you are all entirely free to choose without the coercive influence of positive evidence. That was also the reason behind our instructions from the Pleiadians not to try to rebut any kinds of charges made against this case by antagonists. They are entitled to their preferred judgements in their own free will. This may not be for them, and that is OK. Meier also has freedom of choice in how he treats this whole thing. He is not bound in any way and may get out any time by an act of will, but, they warn, if he does, it is forever… a step that he hesitates to take because so much of his past is bound up in this.”
I absolutely concur with the excerpt you post, G.T. I have Stevens’ hard cover book, and, fyi, on another vein of relevance . . I made a 1995 [winter] phone call to the Colonel specifically to order the volume, some other associated material, and a 1996 Calendar exhibiting a mix of published photos of the Plejaren craft for each month. I enjoyed about a 10 minute call, and it basically ended with him stating in an honest tone, “well Mr. Webster, should you decide to embark on the journey into what “Billy” represents, prepare to lose friendships, and perhaps, even to aggravate family members, but you may very well acquire some invaluable relationships too!”
Silva as per usual is seriously lacking in his thought process.
MYSTERY LIGHTS RETURN TO SARATOGA Author: KATHY HOLUB, Mercury News Staff Writer
Date: October 23, 1986
Publication: San Jose Mercury News (CA) Page: 1B
Wordcount: 480
A beautiful apparition has been glowing in the night sky over Saratoga, leaving viewers baffled and entranced.
About 15 people, all agog, called Santa Clara County dispatchers on Tuesday night to report a mysterious bright red light that hovered in the sky from 8:15 to 8:30 and then disappeared.
Dozens of callers described a similar phenomenon on Oct. 15, same time, same place.
”It was very exciting,” said Maureen Denton of Los Gatos, who watched last week’s display during a…
((NUFORC Note: Date of incident may be approximate. One of three dramatic reports from the same source, reported since October 2002. We do not know whether the reports are authentic. We will contact the witness. PD))
Red, green and gold light amazes multiple witnesses over Santa Clara Valley
I was talking to several friends in the parking lot of Lynbrook High School in San Jose, Ca. when I noticed a big, bright, red light swinging back and forth like a pendulum about a few thousand feet up in the dark sky behind them. It was similar in size and brightness to a large crimson one I’d seen before on the back of a helicopter, but whatever it was made absolutely no noise whatsoever. I looked closely, but couldn’t see any type or shape of an aircraft body, just the round, unblinking light. It then suddenly stopped swinging back and forth, remaining motionless for a second and then began slowly moving to the right in a straight line into a cloud bank. When it hit the clouds, the light turned to green, and then gold and then back to red again. It then disappeared into the clouds.
Dozens of callers described a similar phenomenon on Oct. 16, same time, same place.”It was very exciting,” said ((name deleted)) of Los Gatos, who watched last week’s display during a break in her real estate class at West Valley College.”It was very bright, much larger than the lights you see on airplanes. At one point, something burning or flickering dropped from it. It was just a tiny little flicker that came down. We all went: `Oooh, what was that?'” No one seems to know.
Occurred : 10/25/1986 17:00 (Entered as : 10/25/1986 17:00)
Reported: 2/8/2020 9:43:50 AM 09:43
Posted: 2/13/2020
Location: Saratoga, CA
Shape: Disk
Duration:30 minutes
Saratoga , Ca. sighting 10/25/1986 report has gone missing from NUFORC.
I checked your reference page by state and also by date looking for a report listed in the city of Saratoga, Ca., that was witnessed back in October, 1986. This report was there a year ago and was there for several years, and now it is missing. (And now it’s back) It was a very extensive report and this sighting was reported in the San Jose Mercury News on two separate days because the UFO did appear twice around the same area for two days. It was close to my house.
After this appearance, I started to experience sounds like electronic tones in Morse Code for about three months. I was looking for this report because I wanted to use it for reference and now it is deleted. Can it be restored or has it been disappeared? Sincerely, ((name deleted))) Stan Del Carlo
http://www.nuforc.org/webreports/029/S29236.html
Oh boy that man is still at it. Why does he waste his time on such rubbish writing?
Here is my communication with Luis earlier this year. I truly wish him the best because he is not well. He is disrespectful and vulgar. He must not be educated to speak this way.
Anyway, what does he care if I want to be with Billy or not? Does he have anything else to do then making a fool of himself? After all the evidence I would hide myself in a hole if I were him.
From: Luis Cayetano [mailto:luis.cayetano.simmari@gmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, May 25, 2021 3:10 PM
To: Brigitte de Roch
Subject: Re: SETI petition signature_Billy Meier
Billy Meier is a disgusting fraud whose various hoaxes and fabrications have been exposed time and again. No peer-reviewed process has verified any of his claims.
Please devote your life to something real.
Best, Luis
On Wed, May 26, 2021 at 12:30 PM Brigitte de Roch wrote:
Hello Luis –
There is no need to argue because this case is bullet proof. All one has to do is the proper research, double check and triple check everything and the draw his/her conclusions. We all can read and write so it’s not a problem anymore.
Thank you for your email and your words. I am very comforted by what I do for myself and others. We are all equal and learn at a different pace and feel in different ways. But in the end, there will be love, peace and harmony on Earth.
Best wishes,
Brigitte
From: Luis Cayetano [mailto:luis.cayetano.simmari@gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, May 26, 2021 5:34 PM
To: Brigitte de Roch
Subject: Re: SETI petition signature_Billy Meier
It’s pathetic and has been exposed over and over again. His “beam ship photos” are too fake and stupid to waste for words. You’re wasting your life in the service of a despicable con-artist. But you be you, yeah?
Best, Luis
On Thu, May 27, 2021 at 2:32 PM Brigitte de Roch wrote:
What to say. If Billy the one arm man Swiss farmer, is a con artist than he is the best one. And since I prefer to be with the best then you know what I am doing for the rest of my life.
Slowly but surely you will get there. The case is easy because it’s bullet proof.
Thank you Luis for your response and happy checking, double checking and triple checking everything.
Brigitte
“If Billy the one arm man Swiss farmer, is a con artist than he is the best one.” He’s not. He’s an atrociously bad fraud. This is by design, because he knows that his followers self-select on the basis of stupidity and gullibility. He doesn’t want smart people in his group of slaves. Not even a capuchin monkey could take his forgeries and stupid dinner plate flying saucers seriously, but this ensures that only the most die-hard, ignorant and insane supporters stay in his cult, allowing him to more easily trick, manipulate and exploit them, just like a “Nigerian prince” email scam asking for money but literring their messages with bad grammar so that only stupid people sign on. It’s beyond disgusting.
“And since I prefer to be with the best then you know what I am doing for the rest of my life.” Meier’s cult is currently defending a convicted pedophile (Wendelle Stevens) with stupid conspiracy theories that the CIA “framed” him. I can’t imagine being an adult and devoting my life to something so miserably pathetic. But if you think that’s the best that you can be, then go right ahead and devote your life to this “worthy cause”. Just don’t be surprised if most people laugh at you.
“Slowly but surely you will get there. The case is easy because it’s bullet proof.” According to no actual scientists, but certainly according to imbeciles like you who are incapable of critical thinking. Meier could be literally cutting your arms off and you’ll still blame it on the CIA. In the face of disconfirming evidence, cult members don’t reject the dogma they’ve been brainwashed with; they look for outside parties to accuse of another conspiracy against the group and dear leader. That’s how Nazism works.
“Thank you Luis for your response and happy checking, double checking and triple checking everything.” Indeed. I know far more about Meier’s horseshit than you do. I wonder if you’ve ever asked yourself why super-advanced extraterrestrials would choose to spread their message through a man with a history of delinquent criminality instead of just appearing in front of the whole world. These ETs sound really stupid 🙂 But maybe that’s why you believe in Meier’s fairy tale, since the ETs are at your level.
Best wishes,
Luis
I’ve had rocks that were far more charming. His degenerate words about Billy are so easily proven false that he should be embarrassed. Little does he understand that his words are only hurting him.
Hi Melissa –
You are correct because he is building fear and guilt in himself. The result is that his health is going to suffer and he may not have a long life in the end.
Salome.
When we consider ways to define the phrasing ‘climb on the bandwagon’ . . we can accept ‘it’ used to be a ‘horse-drawn’ affair, e.g. in the 1800’s. I borrow the following online context: ‘join a cause or movement, as in more and more people are getting on the bandwagon to denounce cigarette smoking.’ For Luis Cayetano to simply denounce Meier’s credibility depicts Luis’ getting in his own way to truth. While he chooses to remain stuck on the stereotypical bandwagon, blog members here can remain ‘free’ of self-deceit, free of any need for a seat on a bandwagon, of any description. Admittedly, I went to Luis’ blog, posted a couple questions that have been asked by others, over time, but, the Meier material is clearly self-evident, and, Luis Cayetano, unfortunately, is also self-evident in his impoverished example. Should Luis continue to thwart his opportunity to evolve in consciousness, then, he’s certainly free to do so . . unfortunately.
Hi John –
He doesn’t know what else to say but catchy words that mean nothing. His whole language is unprofessional, unattractive and shows his thinking way too much.
Salome.
To your words, I’m aligned. Salome.
Another sad case of a mountain of assumptions piled onto a lack of research and investigation. Shallow cases like Cayetano are the dime a dozen who have nothing of substance to say or add. With their confused and shallow minds, they merely spread confused and shallow thinking. Another ignorer of facts and possibilities to be ignored.
Why do us knowing ones even waste our time with these not desiring to know ones? Next!
In this case, it resulted in a very rare proactivity, where people actually went to the guy’s blog and gave push-back. Since he’s wanting to promote his blog wide and far, quite possibly reaching people don’t know the facts about the Meier contacts, that offers them some very good reasons to check out our blog, information, etc., and not let another polluted mind spread more pollution without countering info. I actually didn’t even expect that much response, for which I’m grateful.
Although I remain somewhat bewildered by the SIZE of the available information that decades have revealed, I’m so grateful for the totality of the P’s contacts with the amazing prophet of our times, “Billy” Meier, who, if I recall, actually expressed an emotional hesitation to the Stevens / Elders / Welch team, when they encouraged him to press on with assembling a scientific analysis. In looking at the ME I’m familiar with, just another ‘work in progress’, I will continue with the nourishing true spiritual guidance, will support the diligent, intelligent [stay-at-it-ness] so succinctly exhibited by everyone [Melissa, you’re awesome!] who keep this blog on a true path. To Michael, well, thank you for proving your version of a self evident evolution in consciousness. You are the pilot of a remarkable ship! To Christian Frehner, Andrea Logue, and other folks I’ve ‘digitally’ crossed paths with, online, I’m privileged! And, today, thanks to Andrew Dilts for your communicative wisdom at ‘The Meier cult’s dodgy “evidence” – Plejaran beam ships and happy snaps of stealth aircraft’!
Anyone who does their own homework, looks at pics, films,metal samples, sound recordings, read witness statements, watches Wendell Stevens presentations, Phobol Chengs video presentations, Michael Horns presentations, along with all the backlash from MUFON, the UFO community, and know it alls, comes to the reality the case is real. No other case can stand next to Billy . The fact the Talmud is available proves the case, time travel and the conversation with Immanuel. Why didnt steven greer, tom delong, steven basset, ect why didnt they discover the Talmud ? Are their ET contacts not capable of time travel ? Billy and Plejaren are . Billy also saw the future . People ignore the information at their own peril. Bunch of modern day scribes and Pharasees. If I can find the truth , 9.2 billion folks have zero excuses . A child could figure this out.
i know disorientation is against billys teachings but i love metalcore music, how can younger get more into billy meiers teachings, i feel like alot of people on these forums are older people and as such might provide some wisdom, how can the younger generation get into billys teachings, when we (myself) are so addicted to tiktok and heavy metal music in our daily lives, ive tried reading the introduction to mediatation and im stuck i cant focus on a candle for 5mins is my generation screwed or what hope is there?
You could try to focus for a shorter time. Start with a minute and do that for several days and then increase to two minutes and so on and so on. Striving and practice will eventually bear good fruit. Meditation really is the key to finding your balance and focus. Those who take responsibility and strive to learn the Creational-Energy Teaching will not live in hopelessness. There’s a peace and calm that naturally comes to you after you get further into the material. You will begin to better observe and recognize the illogical experiences in your life and that will of course snowball as you grow older. Everything takes times, but it is well worth the journey.
Truth is so threatening to liars. Thou dost protest so venomently.
I`ll buy that thanks to all the adds for the stupid corona virus vaccines they keep going on TV ,next thing you know within 5 years or less those all took all those jabs will be dead within 5 years or lass as Melissa has said some time ago.
I didn’t say anything about what will happen to folks who took the vaccine because I have no idea. I have always stated that everyone should be free to do their own research and make their own decisions about their health. Forcing or coercing folks to inject a potentially harmful substance is absolutely ludicrous and wrong, especially when we’ve never used this type of vaccine and there are no long term studies.
The truth is already starting to percolate to the top. People are coming down with all types of strange ailments and dropping dead from heart attacks all over the place. As Meier says, there won’t be enough shovels on earth to bury the truth.
Ah well, give him 800 years he will come round
Below, is a linked example of a wannabe Canadian ‘ufo expert’ [knows to errect a tall wall to defend against truth] who fits so tightly into the norm of ‘charlatanry’ . . with a lame lineup of books to feather his flimsy nest egg, yet at the same time, expose his impoverished brain! Stem included! Ohh, yes, forgot to include that I’m a B.C. born canadian, subject of the queen of england . . eh? https://www.cbc.ca/cbcdocspov/features/canadians-report-seeing-ufos-in-the-sky-at-a-rate-of-3-times-a-day
Michael, are you playing into his hands? If you trying to get or increase your reach, you create controversy.
Jason, Showing someone this incompetent and with an unprofessional agenda for wha they are may be helpful for people who are hearing all the negative stuff. If they find our article, evidence, information, etc., then who cares if we actually use his disinformation to make our case?
As a supporter of ‘the mission’ I tend to agree with both Michael, and, Jason. This person, Luis Cayetano, clearly exhibits a crossing the line from antagonism, deep into a distorted corner of megalomania. He demonstrates an absolute blind, abrasive refusal to accept Plejaren/Meier/Michael Horn rationality, only to wield a rattling saber perspective to incite, and provoke a ‘deathwish’ to truth. He reveals a complete lack of self responsible awareness, in that most any attack/defense he conjures, [hotlinks galore] to support his distorted arguments, clearly represents nothing short of a disturbed inner altered ego angst, casting outward into a mirroring of his mental agony. ANY topic Cayetano wants to pick a bone with, exposes his constant attempts to suppress reasonable exchange. It’s a waste of time, and, in consideration of the term, ‘Salome’, could quite possibly be damaging to this blog’s initial intent, as Luis Cayetano would have on his flimsy, invalid scoreboard. Salome . .
It’s pointless to get involved in Cayetano’s angry delusions. He’s clearly incompetent as a researcher and only interested in venting his anger.Why else would he, after attempting to post about 10 comments here yesterday, refuse to take the recommendation to read and respond to Joe Tysk’s article?
Best to let him play to his very small audience, none of whom seemed to care about his rants anyway.
Seriously, THAT’s your “response”, Michael? That’s it? You didn’t refute a SINGLE technical claim in my article! Nor did you counter any of the sources that I cited, despite YOUR demand in our correspondences (which will be posted in my next article) that I provide “credible sources”. But don’t let that stop you from thinking that you’ve “refuted” me.
Please enjoy this from Harold Farley, pilot on the maiden flight of the F-117, where he is asked if he’s ever seen a UFO and unequivocally replies that he HASN’T: https://youtu.be/Rb1PpUNoF8w
Hi Luis,
I see that you want to post all the comments that were posted on your blog, which won’t happen. The reason isn’t avoidance, it’s that all you’ve done is made accusations and drawn ridiculous conclusions based on your own misunderstanding, and twisting, of what I plainly stated…as well as your trying to make it the “Wendelle Stevens” case so that you can launch your tirades against man who’s no longer alive to respond to them.
Before we worry about the F-117, if we need to at all, since you’re making broad brush accusations that the Meier contacts are fraudulent, based on “hoaxed” photos, a non-existent “Meier cult”, etc., let go bask to basics. that means start with Joe Tysk’s article and conclusions and present credible substantiation showing that he’s incorrect:
https://theyflyblog.com/2018/01/usaf-osi-investigator-concludes-billy-meier-ufo-case-real/
And of course please also substantiate your claims about the “Meier cult”, which I’m sure you’ve made based on your OWN visits and research in Switzerland, as well as your own dealings with people who’ve tried to coerce you into joining and giving money to said “cult”, and/or documented interviews with people claiming to have been approached to participate in such things, etc.
You’ve obviously already prepared it I’m sure, so feel free to submit it and then we can go from there.
From my perspective [apparently I’m open/receptive to learn stuff] it was a rewarding education to enroll in, and subsequently complete [wash my hands of] a mini course taught by the master, Luis Cayetano. The course material, laboriously boring, ‘The Meier cult’s dodgy “evidence” – Plejaren beam ships and happy snaps of stealth aircraft’, accredited me with a lovely opportunity to immerse into a typically beautiful southern B.C. winter break! I’m at peace! I feel a sense of ‘going forward’. [don’t we love the already tired popular phrasing?] Going forward does not necessarily translate to, ‘with honors’, but, after all, I’m learning stuff. So, now that I’m on winter hiatus, I have opportunity to consider my next option to exercise aforesaid, “apparent willingness to learn stuf.” Yes! It’s, another mini course [how convenient for me] instructed by the master Luis Cayetano. We’ll be examining Bob Lazar’s ‘litany of lies and whoppers’. Wait a second! This material is somehow all-too-familiar! Hasn’t Bob Lazar [ufo this ‘n’ that] been covered too many times over? I remember now! And, more recently, a more vetted [not boring] compilation comes to memory, posted on theyflyblog.com [November 14, 2019] ‘Popular Mechanics Pushes UFO Mumbo-Jumbo’ . . ahh yes! Even though Bob Lazar has been covered by theyflyblog, not to mention the prestigious realm of ‘ufo charlatanry’, our beloved master, Luis Cayetano, demands our attention! HE, alone, is the educator, he, ALONE, will issue the final exam-in-ation, Wait a second! Has the master Luis Cayetano done HIS homework? Does he value any sort of ‘cross referencing’? Isn’t it healthy for any so-called educator to admit, “I don’t know, but let’s find out.” Uhh, pondering that, gives me pause. Methinks I will benefit much more, researching further into ‘self responsibility’. Just the sound of such a ‘phrasing’ . . . has to be an education in and of itself. Thank you master!