Self-described seer – and “honorable man” – reduced to trembling childishness, an infuriated and naked little emperor, clothed only in the cloak of his cowardice
One of our readers, kalikusu, posted a link to a recording where supposed “futurist” Clif High struck a very low note, accusing Billy Meier of hoaxing his evidence, calling him names, etc. You can hear it between 5:28 and 5:48. Naturally I wrote him, several times, and asked him to substantiate his claims, or…apologize.
All of his responses were peppered with more false claims, ad hominem attacks against Meier, and me for calling for accountability from him. Reminding him that his honor, honesty and integrity demanded either an apology or substantiation of his claims, I focused on one thing that High said:
“In spite of your view, i am honorable. If you have proof, like some form that is not simply an assertion, then lay it on me. Convince me he is legit & i will support your efforts. But, words on a book page or photos without provenance don’t cut it.”
Just as I have done with other phony “experts”, so-called scientists, skeptics, etc., I sent High abundant documentation, including the conclusions of independent experts confirming Meier’s authenticity, prophetic accuracy, etc.
His last, and presumably final, response was far less noble, with no pretense of maturity, let alone an apology, substantiation of claims, etc. The exposed, angry, childish charlatan raged:
“you are on my shit list.
i don’t even see your email.
The rule deletes your emails off the mail server after sending this text.
you are on my shit list”
The truth has a cleansing effect. It rips the facades off the phonies, reveals their low nature, lack of character, punctures holes in their inflated ego balloons, and sends them unceremoniously into inglorious retreat.
They don’t take kindly to anyone who dares to confront them.
It’s exceedingly rare that an attempted discussion with such people produces a positive outcome, like the one that Erik and I seemed to reach in my recent conversation with Michael Decon.
Usually, after I write an article about some encounter with a poseur like High, I receive the same question from readers, i.e. “Why do you bother?”
It’s because the cost of not trying to bridge divides, and find other people with platforms who could help spread Billy Meier’s warnings and Creation-energy teaching, seems too great. Certainly, we can’t even hope, let alone pretend, that the prophecies aren’t ceaselessly and unstoppably fulfilling. Informing more people is the goal and the people I usually reach out to have substantial audiences.
For instance, Robin Hanson, who also pontificates on a subject he knows absolutely nothing about, has appeared on intellectual boy wonder Lex Fridman’s show, which not infrequently gets high six-figure viewer numbers. Fridman, of course, has interviewed other big name hucksters, like Avi Loeb, about the now trendy UFO “alien” topic.
So, when Clif High asked me why I was writing him, in addition to the obvious (calling him out), I told him it was because he had an audience. Unfortunately though, it seems axiomatic that when most people get any significant following, their willingness to acknowledge Meier’s vast and unsurpassed expertise is nonexistent.
Doubly nonexistent, if that’s even possible, for someone like Clif High, who fancies himself some kind of a “futurist”. But it was after I sent him links to some of Meier’s hundreds of specific examples of prophetically accurate scientific information that High pulled the blanket over his head. Suddenly, this self-described seer – and “honorable man” – reduced to trembling childishness, an infuriated and naked little emperor, clothed only in the cloak of his cowardice.
After a little background searching I better understood why, when confronted with reality, a phony “futurist” freaks, flails, folds, and flees. In his bio, Clif credits drug taking to his supposed mind expansion, etc.
I guess coming down off that High is a real bummer.
In defense of Cliff High, I’ll say he has done great work especially with Jay Weidner and Gaia Inc. network in exposing the patently absurd claims and bullying antics originating from Corey Goode/David Wilcock and their so-called “Blue Avians”, “Sphere Being Alliance”, etc. This has all been recently covered in the dailybeast: https://www.thedailybeast.com/ufo-community-explodes-in-lawsuit-drama-accusations-of-luciferianism
Well-known radio host Jimmy Church is in the same camp of disbelievers, and I respect their opinions to disagree with the Meier case.
The dichotomy that something has to completely false or completely true should be tempered with the belief that an element of truth exists in a greater reality in something that may be actually stranger than fiction. As one example, I can say that the Apollo moon landings were a hoax, and there is credible evidence to suggest that it is true. However, while one or more of the moon landings could have been faked, that does not been that all aspects of the Apollo manned lunar program were staged, perhaps several of the missions came much closer to the surface of the moon and much further out in space than simply orbiting the Earth.
So while I can recognize that the Meier case has been factual, it appears to have been contaminated with an organized disinformation campaign to discredit him, especially by messing up or removing some of the authentic photographs taken in the 1960’s and later. It is not a simple question of something being completely black or white/ true or false.
I’m pretty sure it has something to do with calling Meier a hoaxer without a shred of evidence to substantiate his claims. And then he goes off on a childish tirade of name calling and shit listing. If the photo evidence was the only evidence in the Meier case, there might be a point. For him to be so comfortably blasé about the Meier case being hoaxed reveals an agenda. Or it reveals someone who doesn’t want to let the truth get in the way of their profits.
There is evidence in every category as well, something Clif doesnt know. Photos, videos are just the start, then there is sound recordings, landing tracks, hand prints, crystals, metals, ray gun, over 100 witnesses, 239 radar sightings by the swiss air force, billy leaving clean shaven returning 30 minutes later with a six month beard, the postage stamp shot, Billy vanishes while working on the roof with others, and he was told where to find the Talmud, he foretold the election days of the new pope, etc. If skeptics would examine all the information, the obvious would stare them in the face. They posed their craft for photos, thats why they are clear, daytime pictures. The stupid burns. A child can see Billy is talking to humans from another world. I totally agree Mellisa, money is more important to some over truth.
Yep, there’s too much evidence. If someone is saying that the Meier case is false or debunked, they are a liar and have a clear agenda. It either threatens their religion or their pocketbook, or both.
Just look at the top of They Fly Blog & News with the UFO/AUP photo’s of all the beam ships ,that`s the real truth there! “Go Figure!”
For myself, the Creation Energy Teaching is the evidence of BEAM’S absolute truthfulness.
Salome
Michael, he wouldnt have been able to ban you if you had portioned the evidence down to say Vogels report and had him respond a peice at a time.
Tell me did you scold him? Because thats a good excuse to do that.
Irene,
I responded politely to impolite, crude, defamatory attacks. It looked like he was going to engage in a productive discussion…almost. I have the entire email exchange of course. At some point it may be appropriate to post it but it would be MORE productive for you and anyone else who’s interested to contact…him.
See if he’ll discuss things politely with you. Then report back if you wish.
You are still my hero..
CR 256, May 13th, 1996
Ptaah: 5. That is known to me. 6. She had been busy with clarification issues which, on the one hand, annoyingly affect a core group member and, on the other hand, new negative machinations against you and the group members as well as against the entire mission. 7. The clarifications have revealed very unpleasant things, for there will be again a time when massive attacks from outside are taking place again, and specifically from forces that are against you and against the mission. 8. These negative forces are lurking not only from ordinary enemies, but also from the part of your wife and from public information bodies such as newspapers, magazines, radio and television, but also from sects and religions as well as from authorities and secret services.
9. To be mentioned are also slanderers such as Kal Korff, the various MUFON-groups and similar organisations, as well as pseudo-scientific groups, which in principle deny anything that is not of purely earthly origin, such as e.g. CENAP, etc.
10. Many allow themselves to be misled by these slanderers, negators, know-it-alls and intriguers and thereby offer attacking help to those who, out of hatred or envy, out of anxiety, religious-sectarian deluded belief, know-it-all attitude, addiction to criticism, image-care, craving for recognition, imperiousness, inferiority complexes, megalomania, arrogance or renunciation, etc. deny our existence and try to undermine and destroy you, as well as your mission, like e.g. your wife with immense lies and calumnies.
11. In many cases, the material profit also plays a decisive role in it, which is particularly important for those, for whom money means everything and for which no intrigue and defamation, as well as no lie or fraud is too low for them.
12. And this kind of human beings can, sadly, be found on the Earth in abundance, whereby many of them are also not afraid to slander us ourselves in the way that we would be in contact with them and that we would supposedly covey to messages and teachings to them, as it is claimed particularly mendaciously by persons of American origin, whereby this evil has however also already spread to Switzerland and Japan as well as to Germany, Poland and the CIS countries, to Austria, Italy, Israel, Spain, France, the Scandinavian countries, the Czech Republic and to several other countries.
13. The group members and you will feel this more strongly in the future, the same as also the newly emerging attacks, which are undertaken from around the world, whereby your wife plays a decisive role. 14. Not only you as a person will be involved in that, but also all core group members and the members of the passive groups around the world. 15. All your efforts in the domain of truth-spreading and fulfilment of the mission will also be increasingly slandered and affected, and specifically both the efforts of the core groups and also the passive groups. 16. Personal rights and the personal freedom as well as jobs can also be affected.
17. With all this comes a time that demands special attention and special efforts regarding the sustainability and mission-fulfilment of all members of the FIGU, and namely the core group members as well as the passive members. 18. A special resilience will be required, because from now on the slanders, attacks and false accusations will become ever more drastic, because the time begins to press for certain elements, such as e.g. for your wife, or because the aggressors in their renunciation, imperiousness, arrogance, might-obsession, in their greed for profit and in their anxiety, or in their mendacious cover-up and truth discriminating actions, feel attacked and put behind.
19. You as well as all members of the core group and passive groups, will henceforth be particularly challenged, so that once again the chaff will separate itself from the corn, because whoever will from now on not fully and totally stick to the truth, will fall away from it and sink in the sea of irrationality and of the slander of truth.
Have an opportunity to engage Clif through his latest Narradigm: religion where he makes reference to Billy Meier’s “Space Religion” that he got from the Pleadians when he was 10 yrs-old. “He’s got some 50,000 words written about that screwy ass religion and it is a screwy ass religion”.
Clif says (3:05) the entire population of the planet can fit in the top half of Texas and we would all have 23 sq.ft to oneself. Is that enough to grow food, rear animals, …. ?
Clif says in the Talmud, the messiah is going to come back and enslave everyone who is not a jew.
He says there are only two religions that does not go down to a space alien of some form with no corporeal god referenced: Jane religion and the Sikh religion.
He thinks on of the El came down and gave Muhammad all the stuff in the Koran. Guess he is talking about Quetzal … I mean Gabriel. And that’s why Muhammad accepts Jews and Christians as people of the book because his book and theirs are basically the same book.
Clif refers to Joseph as who we call Jesus. And the structure relative to Christians is all going to have to change. He says we don’t know who wrote the Bible, Torah, … but we do know who wrote big chunks of the Talmud because that’s a middle-ages kind of a books – 63 of them – that’s not cohesive, contradictory, just a strange collection of stuff in his opinion. So Christianity is going to get a big bumb and re-examine itself going forward.
He suspects there is some really shocking information out there that is going to set us off on this examination on who we are and what happened to our planet about 6000 yrs-ago.
He’s going to be learning more Hebrew to study proto-Hebrew.
Well he’s all over the place. So it is going to take a very concise write-up to clear his understanding on the ever-same Creational teaching that was repeatedly rejected/mis-understood/lost in Earth history.
Will email him with offer to mail a copy of Talmud Jmmanuel.
Wherein hell did Cliff High get all these hairbrained stupid imaginary ideas i.e. where is his brain in the first place? Is this guy nuts and sick in the head??? Geeze!!!
If the 6000 year-old teachings of the ancient aliens worked then religious sages themselves would have ruled the world long ago. This is called blind devotion.
If an imbecile tries to drive a car and it crashes, it’s the…car’s fault.
Michael please explain further about the stealth fighter photos, you say that Wendell was took on the ship by the plejaren in 1969 traveled into the future to 1981 to groom lake and took the photos, what I don’t understand is the analysis that Kodak say that print on the back of the photos is from 1981, why doesn’t the analysis say that the photos are from a 1969 instead of 1981?
Surely the camera that Wendell used is from the 60’s not 80’s
Thank you kind regards
I think I can answer this for you. I’m going to take a punt here and provide my thoughts. I actually used to personally and professionally develop film – with the chemicals, dark room, red light, etc. – in my younger years.
I think the reason it doesn’t state that it’s from 1969 is due to the Kodak’s developmental timestamp of when said film is/was developed, not when the photos were actually taken; Kodak wouldn’t know when the photos were taken, unless they used different photographic film for said photos between 1969-1981.
I don’t know for certain, but my thinking is the film used in 1969 to take the photos at Groom Lake might possibly be the same type used up until 1981 and possibly beyond. Point is, no matter the camera model during that time frame, the same type of film might’ve possibly been used for numerous camera models.
Just my two cents.
Salome,
Charles
Thank you yes makes sense
My pleasure Mikee, I hope you’re doing well my friend.
I forgot to supplement the following within my post yesterday.
Now that we’re in the digital era, we actually can know when a photo was taken via the Exif (Exchangeable Image File) information; WikiPedia link provided below. Audio files may contain Exif information as well.
All modern technological devices (cameras, smartphones, scanners, etc.) which contain a camera will, for the most part, attach/contain said Exif information once the photo is taken. I’ve seen, adjusted, deleted & interacted with such Exif information for years via Photoshop and other media editing software programs.
Examples of the Exif information contained therein would be the day a photo was taken, the format of said photo, image metrics, location information, etc. Old-school film, pre-digital era, didn’t/wouldn’t contain said information. The date/time-stamp on the back of the old-school photos is/was the closest to Exif information as possible.
Just wanted to provide a little supplemental information relative to my post from yesterday.
Take great care of yourself Mikee and all.
No response necessary to this post or the following sentiment, truly, just wanted to relay the last part here.
I know times are so unpredictable and sketchy for everyone. Whether we know each other or not, you’re all my brothers and sisters, I’ve love for every single one of you and truly wish the very best for you and your loved ones. We are on the correct side of history and this mission, and although it is and may be arduous at times, always remember, it’s up to us to keep leading the way and inspiring others to acknowledge, absorb and apply the Creational knowledge, teachings and wisdom.
The Creational teachings/ wisdom are the greatest gift humanity could ever receive; it’s a shame others haven’t opened their present…yet.
One love to all, and to all, one love.
Salome,
Charles
WikiPedia Exif Link:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exif
“The sun always shines behind the darkest clouds”
Truth is an irrelevant requirement where agenda is concerned for those who seek attention through relaying egoic based perceptions.
The Truth is simple, those who rail against the case will stay lost in the forest looking for trees. Billy and the Plejaren spread the Creation Energy teaching of Love, peace, freedom, and harmony. Why kick against that ? Self responsibility is exactly what Earth needs . What is wrong with having peace on Earth ? I wish peace on Earth, enough killing, enough with violence. Look what its doing to our world. Cliff doesnt want Truth, only $$$$ forget about the billions of humans suffering , living in illusions their entire life.