It was his…asterisk, he lost it and can’t find it again with both hands and a flashlight
Unfortunately, anyone can publish un-verified and/or inaccurate information. Case in point, Dave Tholen, who claimed to have co-discovered asteroid Apophis in 2004…23 years after Billy Meier verifiably published the information.
Tholen, supposedly a scientist, who should be quite familiar with how to review data, has come completely unraveled by our publicizing Meier’s legal-standard documentation, long available in German and, more recently, six other languages.
Tholen’s inability to accept his Johnny-come-VERY-lately status has resulted in his emotional and ethical meltdown. Here is how he responds to evidence-substantiated statements:
Horn: Please remember, Billy Meier publishes, specific, error-free scientific information.
Tholen: Horse hockey.
Buffalo bagels.
Mule muffins.
Horn: NASA always subsequently corroborates and verifies it.
Tholen: Horse hockey.
Buffalo bagels.
Mule muffins.
Actually, how do we know that Tholen and his associates “co-discovered” Apophis? On what credible evidence does that claim rest? And what does it even mean? Try to find something with substantial information online and all you get is a claim that he co-discovered it.
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So, how likely is it that he actually played a part in “discovering” it before Billy Meier?
Simply compare the casual sentence or two mentioning Tholen, with Billy Meier’s specific, detailed information, verifiably published years and decades before Tholen and dwarfing his claims by…lightyears:
Contact Report 150, 10th October 1981:
Billy: Certainly, you should know that I do that. Say once, though, while we are on this Destroyer: According to the prophecies I have received, there are other comets and also meteors of enormous size that will have an influence on the Earth and the life of this world. I am particularly interested in the ‘red Meteor’. Is this now the Destroyer, or is it another comet that keeps passing through our solar system?
Quetzal: 492. Neither, my friend.
493. The meteor mentioned in the prophecies, which will have an enormous size and will cause very vicious destruction on Earth, and which besides climatic also threatens to bring tectonic and other changes, will also threaten to split the Earth’s crust, from today’s North Sea to the Black Sea, which however does not have to be true with certainty, because today certain factors speak against it.
494. It is coming towards the SOL-System from the depths of space and is, so to speak, an alien.
Billy: You mean it is not a known comet that keeps making its orbit through our system?
Quetzal: 495. That is of correctness, because this meteor is flying on an orbit that will lead it to the SOL-System for the first time.
496. It has never been to this area of space in earlier times.
Billy: And its journey is to end on Earth? Is there nothing you can do about it?
Quetzal: 497. You know very well that it will be so and that we must not stop this happening.
498.The cosmic forces themselves have pre-programmed this event, which could only be stopped or averted by the Earth-humans themselves.
499.In their materialistic and misleading disunity and in their megalomania, however, they disregard all warnings and prophecies, so that the event will probably inevitably come to pass, as a reminder and a punishment, if you want to see it in that manner.
500.And since this must be a warning and a rebuke, we must also not take any steps to avert the event.
501.Earth-humans should listen to your words and admonitions, but that is precisely what they do not do.
502.You are standing on a lost post, as a caller in the wilderness, and only a few are and will be willing to hear your words, to grasp them, to think about them and to learn to act correctly.
503.The non-hearing will find many deaths for this, when the meteor begins its work of death and creates a new part of the Earth, through a vast rift of the Earth from the North Sea to the Black Sea, out of which the glowing lava will pour, if the prophecy should be fully fulfilled, which, however, is not yet determined to the last consequence.
Billy: You say that so dramatically and unscientifically. Incidentally, I would be interested to know where this rift in the Earth originates.
Quetzal: 504. It is our way to remain human also in scientific explanations, without scientific language.
505. A scientific language predominates only among Earth-humans who believe that they have to distinguish themselves with this language.
506. This is a degeneration of callous megalomania, which also leads to the trivialisation of all dangers.
507. This is one of the reasons why we, and also any other intelligent and truthful thinking life-form, never enter into scientific language, but only use a human wise of speaking, which has to sound somewhat dramatic, because the drama of the monstrous actually exists.
508. A purely scientific form of expression is always wrong, because of the trivialisation and misjudgement of the dangers.
509. Regarding the expected Earth rift, I already told you that it will divide the land between the North Sea and the Black Sea.
510. Glowing lava masses and earth gases, etc. will then additionally create a deadly sulphur wall from this, which will drift westwards over the land and thus create an additional death zone, if the prophecy should actually be fully fulfilled, if the Earth-humans do not undertake something about it together.
Contact Report 471, 16th September 2008 (not included in the comic book as it didn’t have additional relvant information about the incoming object):
Billy: Maybe you have told me everything, but I only remember that you told me that only natural artefacts can still be found on Mars. Somehow there’s a hole in my memory, because I may not remember that we had spoken about that what you have said regarding the finding of the Men in Black on Mars and the removal of all human artefacts. But since we are talking about Mars, the red planet, the Red Meteor comes to my mind, of which it is written in a prophecy. I don’t know it exactly anymore, but Quetzal told me that it will enter into Earth’s orbit even if the prophecy regarding the Earth-humans’ evil machinations and wars would not be fulfilled, because the appearance of the meteor is not a prophecy, but a prediction and, therefore, a cosmic event. If I remember correctly, he said that the great danger by the meteor would threaten Earth on the 13th April 2029, while at the same time he also named a date for the year 2036.
Ptaah: 127. You are wrong; I have not spoken about the Sirians eliminating all human artefacts on Mars, because what I’ve just told you I told you never before.
128. Obviously you had an intuitive grasp of everything.
129. And what to say about Quetzal’s prediction regarding the meteor; I can only confirm his information.
Billy: Misunderstanding regarding Mars. Excuse me. But regarding the elimination of human achievements/acquisitions, this in part is also the case here (on Earth); many things are destroyed and eliminated at certain locations if they are connected to criminal acts. I only find it strange that all of those things have been eliminated on Mars that did not belong to the criminal Sirians, but to the former inhabitants. But law may be simply law – other humanities and planets, other laws, etc. And regarding the Red Meteor I just wanted to be sure.
Contact 475, 26th November 2008:
Billy: It is not possible for them to separate two things from each other. With regard to the Red Meteor, which will endanger the Earth on 13 April 2029 and about which we already spoke on 16 September, I was asked about a few things and would therefore like to know how big the bloke actually is. To my knowledge the terrestrial astronomers had also already discovered it quite some time ago and call it Aprophis or something. In the year 2029 it is supposed to either hit the Earth or whiz past it only very narrowly. If the latter should be the case, then a next dangerous meteor appearance would be in the year 2036, whereby then a nearing to the Earth could all the more lead to the catastrophe, if nothing is undertaken against it by the scientists or nothing changes in relation to the trajectory of the meteor itself.
Ptaah: 152. Its size is around 350 metres.
153. The scientists know what you are saying about the great danger the red meteor poses to the Earth.
154. And unless something results from a special influence of the outer SOL satellites, then the Earth is actually threatened by a catastrophe.
155. In order to avoid this, however, the terrestrial scientists are also urged to undertake every conceivable possibility to push the meteor permanently out of its orbit.
Billy: To my knowledge, various models exist for this purpose, but the scientists cannot reach an agreement on this. You are saying that the journeyman should be pushed out of its orbit, wherefrom I gather that blowing up is out of the question. Therefore, only a repulsion-principle could be applied, like e.g. an enormously strong nuclear repulsion-aggregate, solar sail-principles or atomic explosions in the vicinity of the meteor.
Ptaah: 156. Whereby particularly close to the meteor, atomic explosions should be considered, because these are very efficient and produce a strong drifting effect with such objects.
157. However, the explosions must not take place too close to the meteor in order to avoid a break-up by which an even greater danger would arise.
158. However, such an undertaking must already be carried out early and not only then, when the real danger starts to threaten, because otherwise a success can hardly still be given.
159. This means that already today work would have to be done in this direction.
Billy: And what about big repulsion aggregates and solar sail principles?
Ptaah: 160. Those are also possibilities, however they are much more difficult to carry out and questionable in their necessary effectiveness, and moreover they are not particularly recommendable with regard to their efficiency, because meteors are unstable with regard to a steady own position, but rather exhibit an own rotation, by which the attachment of effective repulsion aggregates and solar sails etc. is as good as rendered impossible.
Billy: Thus these things must still be thoroughly thought through by the scientists.
Ptaah: 161. That is in fact the case, but time for that presses.
The only other mention I found of the Red Meteor – and where they double-down on it originating in the Oort cloud – is in Contact Report 544, September 1, 2012:
Billy: … You make me feel embarrassed, my friend. I would rather like you to explain to me in more detail why for quite some time now there have been enormous changes in the Oort cloud, which is located at the outermost edge of the SOL system, as you explained to me during a conversation on my major trip in 1975, when you gave me the opportunity to see the Dark Star. During one of our last conversations you also privately hinted again something concerning the changes taking place in the Oort cloud. You said that due to the dark planet that is spooking around out there, changes are taking place that will affect the whole SOL system. To my knowledge, the earthly scientists suspect something along these lines, that the Dark Star exists out there, but for them everything is still based on pure assumption; to my knowledge, they use the name Nemesis for the dark star they suspect. However, the whole matter has nothing to do with the dark planet, which moves its course on the other side of the Sun, and which cannot be noticed from the Earth and wanders like a ghost through the system, because I think that this one has nothing to do with the dark star Nemesis, does it?
Ptaah: 174. That is right.
175. The SOL system is a binary star system, whereby the SOL twin is a so-called dark star, as you say.
176. Its size is about ten times smaller than the SOL itself, whereby this twin also has an own planet orbiting around it, as you have known since 1975.
177. The radius of the dark star to the SOL comprises more than one light-year, i.e. more than 9.5 million million kilometres, and the orbiting of the SOL mass centre that is to say the SOL’s very own orbit amounts to about 26 million years.
Billy: SOL’s own orbit – what does that mean, I don’t understand this?
Ptaah: 178. The Sun, that is to say, SOL does not stand still in the outer space, but rather it rotates, namely also in its own far-reaching circle around an imaginary midpoint.
Billy: Aha, I did not know that. And why haven’t the earthly astronomers discovered the Dark Star yet?
Ptaah: 179. For this purpose, the technical astronomical apparatus and devices that have existed until now are not yet suitable.
180. But it is only a matter of time until a corresponding discovery is made.
181. However, the currently given technical facilities are not yet capable of capturing the extremely faint light of the Dark Star with its satellite.
182. And concerning the changes caused in the Oort cloud by the Dark Star, they are based in the fact that in the innumerable and existent in thousands of millions of smallest, small, large and largest rock, ice and metal fragment formations a tremendous movement takes place and that partly large formations are hurled as meteors out of the Oort cloud into orbits of the inner SOL system.
183. A major chain of such meteors has already been on its way to the inner SOL system for many decades and has partly also already passed the Earth or exploded high in the Earth’s atmosphere.
184. This happens because the Dark Star penetrated directly into the sphere of action of the Oort cloud a long time ago and has been causing severe disturbances ever since.
Billy: Then maybe new and still unknown comets and meteors can reach from there into the inner solar system and into the range of the Earth, as it is also the case with objects from the asteroid belt? And while I am already on this subject, then I ask myself whether it is also the case with these projectiles from the Oort cloud that some circle around each other in twos and threes, or that some are circled around by small satellites like moons, as is the case with larger asteroids, as I was allowed to observe it in 1975 on my Great Trip out of your large spaceship. But what happened to that very long chain of dark meteorites that was on course to Earth from the Oort cloud, about which you reported to me privately at the beginning of 2001? Are these meteors still on their way to the inner SOL system and to the Earth?
Ptaah: 185. It really was and is a really very long chain of meteors, which was catapulted out of the Oort cloud and which found its way into the inner solar system and thus also to the Earth.
186. Some of the larger meteors of this very long chain, as I have just explained, have already passed the Earth at close or further distance, smaller ones have crashed or have exploded at high altitude above the Earth, and this over a number of years, because they were and still are so widely spread on their trajectory.
187. The first meteor exploded towards the end of July in 2001 high above India over the Kerala area, a region you well know.
188. Another meteor from the same chain exploded again at high altitude over India, namely in the year 2007, while the next two meteors from the respective chain penetrated the Earth’s atmosphere high above Colombia and New Mexico in the year 2008 and exploded.
189. And from this very elongated chain of meteors there are still further ones on their way and on course to SOL and Earth, which, like the already mentioned meteors, were catapulted out of the Oort cloud by the Dark Star, that is to say the dark twin of SOL.
190. There are also still four forms that were catapulted out of the Oort cloud by the Dark Star, which belong to the category of comets and are also on a course into the inner SOL system.
Billy: So then this meteor chain is still very long, and depending on the speed of the objects, it might well still take years and decades until the last of these space satellites come into the further or closer range of the Earth, if I have understood you right. And, besides those from this chain of meteors that have exploded above the Earth, are there perhaps others from the same chain that have passed by the Earth?
Ptaah: 191. That is the case, yes, but I already said that, and it happened several times during the last decades.
192. And it will also continue to be so, as a result of which quite some things will still arise on the Earth.
Billy: Not really pleasant, then there is still a lot to be reckoned with on the Earth, because it is indeed inevitable that such meteors and comets will also penetrate the habitable zone, that is, the ‘green zone’ or so-called ‘Goldilocks zone’ of the solar system, in which indeed the Earth is located. On this point then also right away the question concerning the prophetically announced red meteor: Does this one also originate from the Oort cloud?
Ptaah: 193. That is in fact right, and unless something special arises, that its orbit changes through some unexpectedly emerging factors or that it is altered by the human beings of Earth, then it will come to pass that the prophecies will be fulfilled.
Billy: Understood. If a large object, a large comet, meteorite or asteroid crashes onto the Earth, as it did more than 240 million years ago, wherethrough indeed on the one hand the dinosaurs only came into existence and these were then exterminated again about 65 million years ago, then there are of course worldwide catastrophes, through which practically all life is extinguished. But if now a projectile that large falls from the outer space into the ocean, then it is not necessarily leading to a worldwide catastrophe, or is it?
Ptaah: 194. In fact, in this case the destruction does not extend over the entire world, but the whole thing is then confined centrally.
Billy: How is this to be understood?
Ptaah: 195. This means that when a large comet, meteorite or asteroid crashes into the ocean, as it happened for example millions of years ago in the Gulf of Mexico, etc., then a gigantic tsunami arises, the area of destruction of which encompasses a certain central expanse that extends over thousands of square kilometres.
196. Everything that is thereby directly destroyed by the actual tsunami, we call central destruction area.
197. That which is still only indirectly caused as destruction and thus only as a further effect by the tsunami end portions, we designate as off-central.
Billy: Aha, understood. You say that millions of years ago a projectile from outer space crashed down in the Gulf of Mexico and a gigantic tsunami arose. What should I think of as gigantic – and was there a crater on the ocean floor?
Ptaah: 198. In fact, a large crater has formed, which was also discovered years ago during investigations for oil drillings.
199. And as for the giganticness of the tsunami resulting from the crash, our calculations have established that the towering masses of water must have amounted to 4,936 metres in height and must have destroyed thousands of square kilometres of land and killed innumerable living creatures.
Billy: Really gigantic. But something else: independent life has indeed developed on the Earth, just as however comets and meteors from the outer space have brought life to the Earth. At least that’s what I was taught by your father Sfath, as well as by your daughter Semjase, and also by Quetzal and yourself. This life was of course very tiny, just only in the form of microorganisms. These microorganisms, i.e. microbes, are mostly unicellular living creatures, which can only be made visible by microscopic magnification, due to their tininess in the range of only a few micrometres. To this now the question, whether such microorganisms are still being brought to the Earth from the outer space and indeed by comets and meteors – perhaps also by asteroids? Sfath told me with regard to comets that from these microorganisms only reached the Earth when the comets crashed down to the Earth or when the comets passed by very close to it or when the planet got caught in their tail. Only thereby the microbes could then enter the atmosphere and the geosphere, and if I remember correctly the earthly scientists call such microorganisms from the outer space panspermia, at least that is what I once read somewhere. But there are actually different microbes; it interests me, are you able to say something about them?
Ptaah: 200. There are, if I want to use the terrestrial-scientific terms, eukaryotic microorganisms, which have a genuine cell nucleus and also DNA; microalgae, microscopically small fungi, protozoa.
201. In addition, there are the prokaryotic microorganisms, that have no genuine cell nucleus; archaebacteria, cyanobacteria and eubacteria.
202. Then there is however still a third form, which may well have cells, but for which a DNA is not characteristic, and which nevertheless can replicate at several hundred degrees heat.
203. But I should not say any more about it, because these things are still unknown to the terrestrial scientists.
204. Moreover, they are not endemic to the Earth, but rather only enter the Earth’s atmosphere and geosphere temporarily via comets and meteors, that is to say, through their disintegration.
Billy: Disintegration: what do I need to understand by this? Perhaps a dissolution or some such, as, for example, with a comet’s tail, or by way of an explosion of a comet or meteorite in or above the terrestrial atmosphere? Disintegration indeed actually means as much as ‘splitting’ or exactly ‘dissolving’.
Ptaah: 205. What you say is right, of course.
Plagiarized?
One possible reason for Tholen’s freaking out could be that he was influenced by…Meier’s information. There are more than a few sci-fi fans, like Tholen, who’ve “discovered” the Meier material and realized it’s the real-life version of all the make-believe. In fact, as stated in Wikipedia, it wouldn’t be the only time Tholen was “influenced” in regards to Apophis:
“David Tholen and Roy Tucker, co-discovers of 99942 Apophis, are both fans of the TV series Stargate SG-1, which influenced the naming of the asteroid.”
Obviously, Meier’s information, in addition to being copyright-verified, has far-reaching warnings, as well as challenging various unsubstantiated beliefs and theories from scientists. For his part, Tholen has made clear that he believes:
“Copyrights have nothing to do with accuracy of information.”
That firmly annihilates his own claim and, unfortunately, leaves him with…nothing, since he rejects the most credible means by which he can substantiate it, because it would force him to apply the same objective standard to Meier’s superior information and proof of prior publication.
Tholen, seething with envy, and coming apart at the seams, took a chance he could use derisive, abusive and dishonorable methods to bamboozle people who rely on ironclad evidence and proven facts.
It was his…asterisk, he lost it and can’t find it again with both hands and a flashlight.
Where Is the Integrity of the Scientific Process?
Wouldn’t real scientists demand you prove your claim and welcome the truth when you do? So far, all of the noble faculty at UHIfA – of which Dave Tholen is a member – have maintained a circle-the-wagons-keep-your-mouth-closed policy, which stands in direct contradiction to another one of their stated values:
“Maintaining the integrity of the scientific process”
Perhaps they also share Tholen’s erroneous belief that because they are scientists, they are somehow above accountability, professionalism and self-responsibility, also forgetting that an asteroid impact is an equal opportunity offender.
As Semjase explained, in 1976:
118.Your politicians and scientists are absolute irresponsible creatures, from whom their power would have to be removed, in order to replace them by reasonable and responsibility conscious powers.
119.But unfortunately, this can only be achieved by force, which should be carried out by the people themselves.
…..
127.For Earth Man, only the use of force remains.
128.For just too long, he has allowed himself to be fooled by the responsible ones, therefore, he can achieve nothing any longer in a peaceful manner…
129.The power on the Earth is embodied by politics, the religions and the scientists.
130.And exactly this power must be broken, otherwise Earth Man suffers a very evil end, not only through war and exploitation, but also by the atomizing of the planet.
…..
133. But Earth Man still has some time to come to his senses and to tear from the great ones, as you call them, their sword of power and to live according to the natural rules of life.
134. Yet he will not be able to avoid having already to bear the consequences of his insanity, because the Earth already is damaged within and without to the degree, that from within she is heaving.
135. Powerful earthquakes, volcanic eruptions, climatic changes, storms, flooding and accidents will mark the world picture from now on.
136. Entire nations will sink into the waters and uncountable human beings will meet an evil end.
Lying doesn’t change the truth, it only compounds the negative consequences of the lie.
It’s a never ending attempted to discredit Billy and His Friends. Canada says it wants to invest in Green Energy…lets see what happens. Again I tried to post the Important information about Geothermal Energy Plants that can run endless clean power, again it get scrubbed.
Where did you try to post that info?
I posted my comment on a YouTube Channel. I would like to leave that persons channel confidential.
Why would you keep something confidential when you claim to be trying to spread planet-saving information?
Why?
Apophis The Red, O Apophis The Red, from those of us who are about to die, we salute you!
You are not the only one saying that. My nephew who lives in the south of Sweden near Denmark reacted the same way after I told him about this meteoroid and the destruction that will cause. He said “good, somebody must finish this misery”. Here I was thinking Europeans were the happiest people. Misery!
Without fear, accept and obey. Dream the long dream, and wake up purified, in a transformed Paradise.
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Just discovered the following article. I was just watching the new movie “65” with Adam Driver and somehow stumbled upon the following when researching asteroids, probable impacts, etc.
https://www.businessinsider.com/adam-driver-asks-nasa-save-earth-from-world-ending-asteroids-2023-3
Appears Adam is asking the right question(s).
Salome,
Charles
Send them a link to this article.
If I can I will for sure. Other than my rather bleak Facebook account (which I only use to sell items), I don’t have/do Twitter, Instagram or any other social media platforms and from what I’ve seen, Adam doesn’t have nor do social media either. He does run a non-profit but the website is down. I’ll keep digging, just not sure how to reach him as of yet.
If/When I make progress or contact, I’ll update my posting here. He appears to be a rather logical human being, I’m sure this article/page and other Apophis-related articles will pique his interest and provide the answers and logic he seeks.
Take great care of yourself and your loved ones Michael and everyone!
Salome,
Charles
Try: info@baileybrand.com and/or his representative: Troy Bailey troy@baileybrand.com
https://talesfromthecollection.com/2023/03/28/adam-driver/
Brilliant! Thank you Anurag, really appreciate it! I’ll reach out and provide any/all update(s).
Take great care of yourself and your loved ones Anurag and everyone!
Salome,
Charles
Thank you!
After reading a report here I emailed kimberly.f.benoit@nasa.gov; ross.w.weiland@nasa.gov; flarocca@nasa.gov; HQ-OIG-IT-Help@mail.nasa.gov; james.c.akers@nasa.gov; william.c.todd@nasa.gov
Holy crap Brigitte! lol You truly are a wonderful and magnificent asset for the mission and humanity! I’m writing that with true honesty and admiration for all you have done and continue to do for the mission. You are a strong force and one who knows how to get the results you’re after. Even if you aren’t successful in certain reaching-out situations (due to Earth’s “experts” and the like not responding with logic, or not responding at all), I think you are very resilient, thorough, steadfast, determined and highly logical. Your efforts make an astronomical difference!
Personally, I thank you for all your efforts Brigitte and for you being who you are, truly. As stated, you are truly a wonderful and magnificent asset for us here, the mission and for all life-forms on this planet. I’m very glad to be able to interact with you on this site! 🙂
Keep up the fantastic work Brigitte, I’m very honored and privileged to know you are with us and very happy and fortunate that you’re on the correct side of history as well!
Take great care of yourself and your loved ones Brigitte and everyone!
Salome,
Charles
“The sun always shines behind the darkest clouds”
No worries Charles. Even a kid can do this.
I am looking for the email address of Kelly Fast and for some reason she is no where to be found…
Salome
Kelly.E.Fast@nasa.gov
3rd result on –
https://cse.google.com/cse?cx=009333371852908634129%3Auxh8rt6h1uq&q=Kelly
Well well well you are a good detective Anurag!!
Thank you so much because it saves me lots of time. You know, so many people to contact.
I sent her the blog info.
***Update***
I just sent a correspondence to Adam’s agent(s) with this article/link. I hope they pass the email onto him, that’d be brilliant. I’ll update this article if/when I receive a response, but for now, it has been sent.
Adam appears to be a rather logical and practical individual. I hope he, and others, see the value in/of the truth.
Take great care of yourself and your loved ones everyone!
Salome,
Charles
Thanks Charles, maybe it will bring something positive.
I hope so brother, as we all know, efforts always matter.
Take great care of yourself and your loved ones Michael and everyone, no one’s alone when you’re all as one!
Salome,
Charles
There’s an old saying. “You don’t know what you don’t know.”
The NASA lady in the video said they’ve found all the large asteroids.
I spewed my coffee slurp when she said that.
Also. Ironic how NASA sterlizes their space probes so we don’t send our germs to other planets but it’s ok to bring germs from off planet here.
Dumbfounded brainless geniuses.
NASA Specialist in image.
I’ve seen some unprofessional skeptics and scientists in my day, but Dave takes the prize. He’s irrational, arrogant, delusional and unthinking.
His salty and unreasonable attitude is unbefitting in the world of science. He’s not fit to carry the title of scientist or explorer. Semjase was right.
I hold on to the hope that there are still a few Apophis scientists with real integrity.
Hi Michael,
My take on this whole exchange aside from what you pointed out; Dave Tholen does not except who Billy is, Thoen does not accept that Meier is in contact with extraterrestrials, on top of which, I picked up some religious sentiment in his responses. Very unprofessional, IMO.
Unfortunately, it may be a cold day in Creation before Thoen comes around.
Kind regards
Ken
“I think Tholan she be “FIRED!”
Here’s a sample of Tholen’s “thinking” skills:
Dave Tholen:
“So, what made 2008 TC3 *not* a red meteor? Have you seen the spectrum that was taken of it before it hit?”
Matt Knight:
“Because
[Wikipedia: 2008 TC3 “was discovered on October 6, 06:39 UTC, 19 hours before the impact” and was a “4.1-meter (13 ft) diameter asteroid”]
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Dave Tholen:
“What you call “exacting detail” is in reality completely vague, purposely so, so that that after the fact the association can be made.”
Matt Knight:
“Actually, no. The warning is clear: It gives the EXACT details we need to act against it: WHEN, WHERE and WHAT damage will be caused.”
Some students go into debt listening to people like Tholen.
The “Apophis expert” couldn’t give a straight answer to a, thrice asked, question about whether NASA will be able to launch an effective mission to divert Apophis after 2029 and before its next approach in 2036 and if not should act now because according to…
Dave Tholen:
“Diversion isn’t necessary.”
I don’t know why we are bothering with this guy to tell you the truth, and I don’t see why it needs to be called out on here either to be honest, I don’t see any good will come of it. Its clear that his ego is so overpowering he will never admit that mistakes could be made, it happens time and time again with almost every advancement scientists have made and its result of a degenerate thinking process and a lack of patience in most cases or worse the pursuit of money and power, certain drugs / vaccines, nuclear power, pesticide and herbicide, even the internal combustion engine that was used so widely without any regard to health of the animals plants and the climate. It happens time and time again because humans don’t learn from their mistakes, largely because they cant admit it to themselves because their ego wont allow it or its not in their financial interests. in my opinion we should move on, there are people willing to listen, the thing on redacted was an example we should be applying pressure in these areas not trying to go against the biggest obstacle so to speak.
If you want it done, find a group of rich people who want to make a huge amount of money from the deflection of the asteroid and suddenly, there will be scientists with grant applications knocking down the door demanding that an error has been made and we need 100 billion dollars for the mission, they wouldn’t even need to think it would hit themselves, they would just change their data to fit, just as they always do. Just my opinion.
This blog is evidence in itself. It’s a perfect example of what Billy and the Plejaren have been warning about since the 40’s. Our scientists and so-called leaders are the most irresponsible creatures on the planet. If we’re ever going to make any progress, they must have their power removed. We must continue to show that they are incapable of thinking and logic, therefore they are incapable of progress.
Imagine if the Red Meteor slams the Earth because people like Dave are too arrogant and unthinking to examine evidence that goes against their beliefs. It’s preposterous that anyone calls him a scientist.
You say “Our scientists and so-called leaders are the most irresponsible creatures on the planet. If we’re ever going to make any progress, they must have their power removed.”
This would be great but it leaves me thinking by who? Who can make the decisions to remove them from power and who makes the decisions after they are gone. The politicians are not scientists and the scientists are not politicians. Isn’t what we actually need is better education so that the scientists and politicians are one and the same, as well as responsible and working for the best interests of the planet?
Also there would only be one real way to remove the current governments we have and that’s currently a violent uprising. I don’t see enough people being intelligent enough to be able to perform a “silent uprising” so to speak where their power just goes as the security forces responsible for their protection also turn to the side of people. I also see a problem with having a truly democratic system in place along side our corrupt media, forcing votes in their favour with propaganda, that would obviously need to be removed along side.
Its just frustrating as hell isn’t it? I thought in the 90’s that things were finally going in the right way and people were going to change for the better and the environmental movement and world peace were going the right way. I have no idea what went wrong and how this movement was so derailed, the early 2000’s made me feel like we had steered towards somewhere dark, especially after our government went to war with Iraq despite all the marches and protests, they truly have managed to subdue the population. I post a stupid meme and i get lots of reactions, I post something about an abhorrent war… silence. Peace.
They will have to be removed by the people themselves. The only option we have left is force. Our only remaining options are to remove them all or perish.
Semjase:
118. Your politicians and scientists are absolute irresponsible creatures, from whom their power would have to be removed, in order to replace them by reasonable and responsibility conscious powers.
119. But unfortunately, this can only be achieved by force, which should be carried out by the people themselves.
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127. For Earth Man, only the use of force remains.
128. For just too long, he has allowed himself to be fooled by the responsible ones, therefore, he can achieve nothing any longer in a peaceful manner…
129. The power on the Earth is embodied by politics, the religions and the scientists.
130. And exactly this power must be broken, otherwise Earth Man suffers a very evil end, not only through war and exploitation, but also by the atomizing of the planet.
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133. But Earth Man still has some time to come to his senses and to tear from the great ones, as you call them, their sword of power and to live according to the natural rules of life.
134. Yet he will not be able to avoid having already to bear the consequences of his insanity, because the Earth already is damaged within and without to the degree, that from within she is heaving.
135. Powerful earthquakes, volcanic eruptions, climatic changes, storms, flooding and accidents will mark the world picture from now on.
136. Entire nations will sink into the waters and uncountable human beings will meet an evil end.
https://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/Contact_Report_045
Yes that’s what I thought, The trouble is finding reasonable and responsible conscious powers, that may be harder than removing the one we have. What’s being talked about here I think is the overexploitation of oil leading to massive tectonic upheaval and the eventual disintegration of earth? is this what happened in the Eye of god or the Ring Nebula?
If I remember right, the Eye of God, was caused by the deliberate destruction of a star by a megalomaniac ruler, causing a nebula to form in the shape of an eye as a permanent legacy of his power, but also serving as a forever reminder of the insanity of human beings.
I envision an army of people going to the places where the politicians and scientists work, physically removing them from their offices and preventing them from returning. If that can’t be done then preventing them from conducting their business-as-usual will have the same effect. Violence and force aren’t the same thing necessarily. Violence must be avoided if at all possible but force can’t be avoided since the system will not voluntarily change itself and the only way to change it is with the use of force.
I think this quote by Carl Jung answers your essential question:
“The change must begin with the individual; each of us can be this individual. Nobody can afford to simply look around and wait for someone who is supposed to do that which one will not do oneself.”
It’s in the excerpt from Might of the Thoughts that we posted just now on the blog.
Hi Chris,
There have been peaceful “dethronings” before, I believe it was in Poland somewhat recently that some people simply picked up a crook and, rather than attacking him or starting a riot, they walked him outside, placed him in a dumpster, and then the person “leading this charge” did not even harm a hair on the crook’s head; when the guy wearing a suit tried to get up and go back to work, he was simply held there like he was a dog being proper scolded.
There are true positive ways to achieve these sorts of things, but unfortunately countries like France and America are so strongly set in their ways and they do not embrace the new spirit of the present times; they keep looking to the past for examples of revolution — France with their overpopulation uprisings and America with their self-congratulating fanfares.
Countries whose populations have shown an ability to peacefully but sternly dispossess their corrupt leaders ought to be looked up to as positive role models.
Unfortunately that’s quite difficult when the media keeps on focusing on uprisings in places like France, where people simply light entire streets on fire.
I don’t agree, but fair enough: Who are you going to contact first?
What part do you disagree with? I would try, dutchsince and peak prosperity if you haven’t done so already.
I disagreed with everything you wrote in that comment except, “Just my opinion”. “Would try” isn’t even ‘a try’ and why don’t you contact dutchsinse and do what you think could save millions or is a hair day?
I have already tried, I got no response, but i am just one person, it needs to be done collectively as was done with redacted or it could be missed. What a ridiculous answer about the hair day, Im here aren’t I offering suggestions, again going against the tide even though its again uncomfortable for me to do so, hoping that instead of slander and pointlessly trying in the wrong areas, we can move on to greener pastures. You don’t even bother to make a sentence as to why you disagree you just tell me you do.
Where did you try? You need to share when and where you make contact to be a collective effort. Where did I slander you? You didn’t ask how I disagree, just what part I disagreed but why does it matter? We don’t have to agree.
I disagree is just a worthless statement. Its pointless to even write it without elaboration.
I comprehend that we don’t need to agree, isn’t that the point of a blog?
I said we need to do it collectively and you just repeated it… That was the whole point of my comment to get people here to do exactly that if they feel this is a good idea.
People have been doing “exactly that” for years and still do if they feel this is a good idea and others join in for a collective effort. What they don’t do is talk about what they would do, say they did but then not share where when asked. It seems you just want to pointlessly argue. That’s your issue.
Personally, I think one of the best tools we have is the might of the thought. Is it time for more people to take up the involvement/participation in the Peace Meditation?
Change may not happen quickly or overnight, but we shouldn’t lose heart just because success cannot be perfect and painless.
Whatever is radiated out into the “ether”, be it a thought or a swinging wave, settles into a corresponding destination one way or another, and even if it cannot totally be prevented that certain violent uprisings take place because that is just what has been planted and germinated, so now it must sprout, I think it should not be forgotten how the form of the Creation is a kind of cycical spiral-egg shape that is constantly rolling upwards as it, in turn, rolls in on itself.
So what is released out into the wider ether today finds its way into the stream of human consciousness, even if it does not change to the better immediately, it’s always going to come 1 day sooner if we get on board with the right course of action today rather than tomorrow.
P.S. http://www.billybooks.org sells quite nice and inexpensive meditation pyramids nowadays, btw! They come with a nifty carrying box even, with a beautiful etching of the peace symbol.
Hope you and yours are doing well Tyler.
Your post prompted me to seek out as many relevant links (there are a bit more of course throughout all the mission-related websites, including this one) to what you’re writing about and describing.
The Salome Peace Meditation is astronomically important, maybe more-so nowadays than ever before. Just wanted add onto your helpful post Tyler and relay the following for everyone. Here are a few links for everyone; brief description below.
Next Peace Meditation:
https://ca.figu.org/peace-meditation.html
Purchase Peace Meditation Pyramid:
The Peace Meditation (written by Christian Frehner, with conversations from Billy and Semjase, Ptaah; really great article):
https://www.figu.org/ch/files/downloads/artikel_essays/peacemeditation_20201115.pdf
The Purpose, Time Frame and Method of Peace Meditation (pdf file):
https://www.billybooks.org/archive/download?item=pceMedInst&action=view&lang=en
There are a lot of valuable links containing a lot of valuable knowledge throughout the mission-related websites, the information is already in front of us, all we need to do is seek and apply.
Take great care of yourself my brothers and sisters, all as one!
Salome gam nan ben urda, gan njber asala hesporona!
Salome,
Charles
Reality check: Opinions don’t matter. Action matters. Try standing up for the truth outside of comfortable spaces.
You cant beat a dead horse, and in this case I think that’s what is being attempted. Opinions do matter as they lead to the correct thinking and therefore the correct action, and if you share them it could spark something in someone else to consider something that they have not. If your asking me personally to try to stand up for the truth then I would say I have been doing that all my life, the invasion of Iraq, Libya, warning about the dangers of nuclear power, all of it was deeply uncomfortable, as it it was going against the tide, and in the case of the wars, no one would listen until 1 million Iraqis had died. This was long before I had heard of the name of billy
This is something MH would have no skills at he stands before the biggest cannons media has to offer. For me one human or family at a time is enough be it food or hope without the religious conditions attached. My local fateful can not understand why I keep their poor food pantry full and I have never been in the building.But all of their elders never speak ill of me even knowing I will not follow them, it helps to know all of your neighbors. How many of our internet friends do we have a key to the neighbors home on there ring of keys. The UFO part of this is changing fast, no pilot ever gets a copy of the gun cameras recordings. And as most will notice BEAMS contacts are getting very clear and timely. Wherever you may be reach out.
Is it really the case that scientists believe Apophis won’t impact in 2029, or could there be a cover-up where they know it will impact in 2029 and are right now planning to secretly deflect it? As far as cover-ups go I don’t think you can keep a secret like with more than a few dozen people. Surely the number of scientists with first hand knowledge on Apophis would have to number in the hundreds.
Seems NASA knows more than they are letting on about Apophis as it wants to designate 2029 as the year of International planetary defense.
https://www.space.com/nasa-apophis-asteroid-spacecraft-fleet-idea
More than likely but the American public can’t be trusted or allowed to know the truth, an underlying operating principle and policy of all things “official”.
Apparently as it seems by alot of these Apophis related blogs, many ‘scientists’ in our compartmented system of governance don’t know, or care to know the truth for that matter either.
Makes me wonder ones again, if even the ‘foreingers’ to earth are interested in FIGU. No doubt that the degenerate s at the helm of this rechid planet also are paying attention for better or worse.
Personally I dont think it will be the USA that will stop apophis, if it comes to that. Its trajectory, the time frame inching ever closer to all out war… Like our ancestors and the insanity potentially unfolding another ‘space weapon’ will be used to attack our perceived ‘enemys’.
Asteroids spotted just before hitting Earth
Around 12:18 p.m. ET Sunday, astronomer Krisztián Sárneczky detected an asteroid.
About 40 minutes after the asteroid was discovered, the Višnjan Observatory in Croatia confirmed the object.
At 2:58 a.m. UT (9:58 p.m. ET), the asteroid entered Earth’s atmosphere, turning into a “beautiful fireball” that streaked across the European skies. Asteroid 2023 CX1 hits Earth, turns into fireball seen throughout Europe.
Officials said this was the seventh time an asteroid had been detected just before it hit Earth.
In March 2022, a fridge-sized asteroid—about 6 1/2 -feet-long—hit Earth two hours after he initially spotted it.
The European Space Agency (ESA) says that “spotting these asteroids just before they hit Earth is “a sign of the rapid advances in global detection capabilities.”
There you go. This must be the way things truly are in the world of scientists.
I wonder what their reactions will be when the big one lands on earth. Will they be there to say anything about it?
A couple of years ago I emailed Michael the member list for the International Astronomical Union and he contacted everyone (about 1,500 people) with no response.
I just finished sending them to the info as well.
So far Chris L. Aikman responded with the following:
Check these:
99942 Apophis
en.wikipedia.org
minorplanetcenter.net
Small-Body Database Lookup
jpl.nasa.gov
Once again, they don’t read what I am sending. Referring me to Wikipedia and such shows they are not looking into Apophis at all. Dave Tholen also plays an important role as he name is always mentioned.
As per Chris Aikman:
“The Minor Planet Center and the JPL database are the only reliable sources of asteroid orbital data.
All astrometric tracking observations funnel through them”.
Chris
According to the Scientists only these two forms of reporting are the only ones that counts and anything else is worth looking into.
NASA’s DART mission showed that a manufactured satellite can alter the course of an asteroid 10 times its size and the photo below (from this animation) shows how close Apophis will come to Earth’s satellites.
Apophis could be travelling at 50,000 to 62,000 mph relative to Earth’s satellites as it comes into their orbit. By comparison, DART was only travelling at 14,760 mph when it hit Dimorphos.
DART was about the size of a refrigerator and Dimorphos is about 160 meters. Earth’s satellites are about the size of a small car or a bus and Apophis is 350 metres.
It therefore seems possible that a direct collision with any of Earth’s orbiting satellites could alter Apophis’s course and provide another explanation for the discrepancy, at this current time, between Billy’s prophecy and NASA’s calculations for 2029 and 2036, as well as explain why the Plejaren haven’t provided a definitive calculation as there could be as factors as there are slight course changes of the satellites that will be near Apophis as it approaches and the uncertainty could be their way of strongly hinting at these high number of factors that must be considered, that make pushing it away now the only sensible option.
Scientists that want to be “right” at the possible expense of may millions of lives are living in a fool’s paradise. The often used phrase that comes to mind is:
“What could go wrong?”
If I understand correctly, could it also be said that in the “zero gravity” state of free floating space, objects which wander close to each other through their orbits could also alter both of their respective trajectories?
Meaning that even if a 350 meter asteroid and a 160 m asteroid are not big enough to exert their own planetary gravity, in the relative weightless of space, where even a slight nudge is enough to send an object on a slow and renewed drift, the fact that there are many satellites in space could mean that, even in only wandering roughly close to each other, their respective mild gravitational forces are enough to introduce a further layer of unpredictability?
I also recall how it was mentioned that one meteor is composed of iron and some other kinds of metals, so it also is beginning to dawn on me how perhaps the ability of metals to create a magnetic effect could further introduce even more of an unpredictability into the equation.
Gravitational and electrical fields can distort space. I really didn’t think through my original post enough and now realise that Dimorphos was only travelling at 0.4 mph when it was hit by DART travelling much faster, and that inertia works in space but Satellite’s can have batteries and many have exploded in space. There are also Space tugs and rocket motors with fuel floating around out there and there’s the Kessler (domino) effect and could an explosion still effect Apophis after it has just passed one? Whilst we have some idea about Apophis’ mass, do we really know how that mass and material is material and how is would react to the sun and coronal mass ejections, etc?
My brain hurts thinking of all the possibilities but knowing how accurate Billy’s information is, all the space agencies should be acting now to push Apophis away and study the things they are interested later, but they seem more excited about the prospect of getting this rare chance to observe Apophis than to take the necessary pre-emptive measures to push it away in case they missed something and this, to me, is the Tsunami-like height of their arrogance.
The scientists claiming there is no way Apophis can hit Earth are assuming that the trajectory of Apophis on April 13, 2029 is fully predicted based on the most recent radar observations of Apophis from 2021. That is an 8 year gap where they are not monitoring the asteroid and during which its orbit can deviate slightly from the predicted path due to unknown influences such as certain gravitational effects or collisions with other asteroids that are not fully known or predictable. They assume erroneously that their models are 100% correct in the orbit calculation, because even if they were only 99.999% correct then Apophis can impact Earth.
The orbital path of Apophis intersects the orbital path of Earth. The image (from https://theskylive.com/3dsolarsystem) shows how the Earth and Apophis orbit intersect (see bottom left). If you’re curious, you can go to the webpage, enter Apophis in the search box, and then zoom in and look at the Earth and Apophis orbit from different angles to see that the intersection does indeed occur. On April 13, 2029 is when Apophis and Earth cross this intersection point. This intersection makes the risk prediction particularly sensitive to error. Even a predicted position error as small as 0.001% over an 8 year period (based on 2021 radar data) can translate into Apophis hitting Earth instead of narrowly missing it in 2029.
Just wanted to add. Based on radar data from 2021 and earlier years, the scientists calculated that Apophis will miss Earth by about 30,000 km in 2029. This distance is only about 0.001% of the total orbital distance traveled by Apophis from the time of the most recent orbital measurements. This roughly means that 0.001% is their margin of error in order to be correct that Apophis won’t impact. That seems like an impossible level of accuracy!
Just to elaborate. Very high accuracy is indeed possible in orbital predictions based on known gravity effects due to the Sun and other planets in the solar system. It’s the unknown gravity and non-gravity effects that can throw off the predictions and cause comets and asteroids to end up in positions that are tens of thousands of kilometers different from expected. Unknown gravity effects can be from large massive asteroids that we don’t know about getting close enough to Apophis, without making contact, and nudging its orbit. Non gravity effects can be from collisions with other asteroids. Outgassing is another effect, where gas vents off the asteroid surface causing a tiny thrust like a rocket. The half-comet/half-asteroid Oumuamua probably had outgassing as the reason for its speed being faster than expected. The surface of Apophis is made up of chondrites which are known to outgas. This means that Apophis can experience a tiny thrust from outgassing, making the predicted near miss become a direct hit.
This is really out of my wheelhouse, but I’m trying my best to understand.
Would it be possible that the calculation of a near-miss could be off in relation to our slightly off calculation of pi, as well?
The pi value is what gives rise to a perfect circle if I’m not mistaken, so if the value of pi were off even by a few 10ths of a decimal point (like, instead of 3.14 it’s actually 3.44 or whatever the correct value is supposed to be), then that could account for a major error in the calculation?
I wish the “experts” would release, to the public, the formula or all the formulas (for Apophis) they use, which require Pi.
Is there a Freedom of Information act that we can/could apply? Just writing out loud, I’m not certain. At any rate, if they did release it/them, then we get to plug in the correct Pi value and almost certainly/truly see for ourselves what the best approximation is or how accurate, or inaccurate, our scientific experts are. We’d be a lot better off knowing.
Something tells me Russia will be the ones who put forth the great effort of deflecting Apophis, further they may actually be successful in doing so.
Just a few of my thoughts, kind of hard to get the whole Apophis situation out of my head, not in that I fear it and am creating fear, more-so the seeking solution sense. Again, a few of my thoughts, they’re out there. lol As Apophis gets close to Earth, our “scientists/experts” need to factor in orbiting and roaming satellites and satellite garbage as a deflection risk on Apophis’ way to Earth. Hitting a satellite or collection of satellites on its way to Earth may alter the trajectory enough, meaning it won’t hit in 2029, but rather 2036. This gives us enough time to deflect it correctly and accurately in 2036 on it’s second come/go-around. Or maybe we have to deflect it twice because we screw up the first time in 2029. Just writing out loud.
Unless NASA/JPL, or whomever our “experts” are, have other plans, I don’t see the USA doing shit about Apophis. I could be wrong though.
I think Russia is on it, and good for them if so. What a great way to create history, saving millions of lives.
Take great care of yourself and your loved ones everyone!
Salome,
Charles
I estimate that an error in pi in the 5th decimal place or less would result in a big enough error so that a predicted near-miss could become a direct hit, assuming an 8 year time frame and where the near miss distance is about 30,000 km. I doubt pi is the issue in this case. I think it’s a lack of knowing all the variables that will affect the orbit and a lack of good response to this lack of knowing. They just don’t know, and what they don’t know they make assumptions about using clever statistics or other models, which can never guarantee anything. It’s really an unacceptable risk to not make immediate plans to deflect such a big asteroid when it flies so close to Earth. There’s no adequate insurance plan in place should disaster occur, unlike say for house or car insurance. The only insurance for Apophis is to deflect it well ahead of time so that it can’t possibly hit Earth.
I’m also interested in learning whether such a large mass could or would exert an effect on our planet, such as disrupting the already chaotic tides? The moon already shapes the tides, but with the current chaos happening in the climate, could the oceans sustain the “tiny, singular straw” which is only needed to break the camel’s back, thereby starting a cascade of new chaos and possibly even finally triggering those sea-sunk atomic bombs left behind by a US mistake to erupt?
I really don’t know anything about astronomy, which is why I am trying my best to discuss things using layman’s terms, but it really does seem like there are many more potential variables in play than are apparent on these “star charts” in use today, where it is conceitedly presumed that all of these celestial bodies just orbit on their own individual paths and it’s simply assumed that everything set in orbit remains on its “perfectly predictable” little journey for eternity.
I checked out that “star chart” at http://www.theskylive.com and it really did seem like the scientists have only been picking two points at random intervals, plugging in some basic pi calculations so as to derive a circle from it, and then they plot out that trajectory as if it is sufficient to account for all of the things which could go wrong.
And then, to make matters even worse, when they check where the asteroid is actually located in 10 years’ time, but it has already deviated from their plot because the original calculation was not valid, they do not even consider that a serious cause for concern and instead they just “correct” their work, swapping out the old position with the new one so that they can go on pretending as if their math is flawless because they are gods.
They do not even take the time to consider how it was actually their calculation which was flawed from the get-go, which is why when they double-check the positioning of the asteroid 10 years later and it is in a different location than they projected, it is because they failed to calculate the right outcome in the first place.
Instead, they have the hubris to just convince themselves that it is Creation/nature which made a mistake for not following their plotted out trajectory, so when an asteroid shows up at a different place than what their star charts plotted out, it’s not their calculation that was wrong, but really it was “Creation that is wrong” for daring to not follow their godly intelligence.
Thanks Phil.
https://theskylive.com/apophis-info
From https://medium.com/starts-with-a-bang/what-are-the-real-odds-of-doomsday-asteroid-apophis-striking-earth-in-2068-3727678b5eeb
“Asteroid Apophis has been measured many times over the timespan of multiple years quite precisely, leading scientists to determine its orbit to a remarkable precision. Of course, additional effects, such as offgassing or gravitational encounters, have the potential to alter that orbit beyond mere Keplerian effects. (UNIVERSITY OF HAWAII)”
That’s the key statement. Not enough consideration of additional potential effects.
All the Member Organization or a total about380 members of the International astronomical Union are receiving the blog info.
Since it took a while to compile the emails addresses I am including them in case someone wants to contact them as well. I used blog images in my inbox with links this time as Michael recommended to do.
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Brigitte,
What can I say? You are amazing!!
No worries Melissa if I can find the addresses I email them!
I just finished another campaign and received two responses from Las Cumbres Observatory
Hi Brigitte, first let me say that there is absolutely no chance that Apophis will hit the Earth on April 13 2029 (or on any other date). Instead it will be a one in a thousand year event when an asteroid this large flies by at this distance (approx 20,000 miles above the Earth) and a fantastic opportunity to learn more about these asteroids and get people interested in asteroids and planetary defense. Something like 2 billion people in Europe and Africa could have the opportunity to see Apophis with the unaided eye as it flies by.
Although Apophis caused quite a stir when it was initially discovered since it was such a large asteroid and had a approx 3%t chance at the time of hitting the Earth in the future, continued observations ruled out the 2029 and 2036 impact chances and further radar observations ruled out any remaining chances of impact for the next 100 years (https://www.nasa.gov/feature/jpl/nasa-analysis-earth-is-safe-from-asteroid-apophis-for-100-plus-years). All collected data on the positions of asteroids, whether they are Near Earth Objects or not, from anyone are all reported to the Minor Planet Center, which acts as the worldwide clearing house of asteroid information on behalf of the International Astronomical Union. All of this information is public and available and the page for Apophis (https://www.minorplanetcenter.net/db_search/show_object?utf8=%E2%9C%93&object_id=99942) lists no data before the discovery in 2004. If someone had observations of Apophis 23 years before 2004, which is also well before the advent of CCDs and the search for Near Earth Asteroids got started in the mid 1990s, then they should have followed the procedures everybody else uses and sent those measurements into the Minor Planet Center for use by everybody. If no earlier measurements have been reported after 42 years, then we have to conclude they don’t exist.
Tim
Dear Brigitte:
I am not an astronomer but an engineer. I quickly found this very credible article on the WWW:
https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/nasa-spacecraft-will-visit-apophis-once-earth-rsquo-s-deadliest-asteroid-threat/
So I conclude this particular asteroid is going to make for some great photographs by many folks, but nothing to really
get worried about.
Wayne
I have pretty much saturated the astronomer related sites. I know that what Billy says will happen, will happen.
Salome
I emailed Dave Tholen and made the best case I could that Apophis should be deflected using the following points. I did not mention anything about the prophecies because this is something you should be able to argue for based strictly on the tangibles:
His arguments were dismissive and borderline rude and always went back to the fact that Apophis simply will not hit and that all the orbital models confirm this. However, it is true that I cannot prove that the trajectory of Apophis could shift a bit and hit Earth. I said that my focus is on the possibility the trajectory of Apophis can be altered by unforseen events, such as mentioned above. But it’s no use. You have to either accept their statements that Apophis won’t impact in 2029 or provide solid proof of the exact reason why Apophis could impact Earth. There’s no sense of risk avoidance or a sense that something unpredictable can happen to nudge the orbit of Apophis between now and 2029. It’s like why get house insurance if you can’t pinpoint the exact thing that will happen that will wreck your house.
Ultimately, their models come first and things that are unknown that can happen are not taken into consideration unless they can be explicitly specified and proven. Unfortunately with that mindset, what is unknown only becomes known after something bad happens.
Thanks Phil. Tholen is typical of many of today’s so-called “scientists” who assume that they and what they rely on are infallible.
Far more credible information is dismissed if not “officially approved and/or provided”. Never mind that NASA kept correcting their size estimate for Apophis to within 10 meters of what Meier published. And also never mind that Tholen and the other dummies dare not even acknowledge receipt of this unprecedented evidence of both space and time travel:
https://theyflyblog.com/2019/05/reference-page-for-nasa-discoveries-confirm-ufo-case-real/
Remember this clown and his squirming around?
https://youtu.be/nWai8EM_w5c
https://youtu.be/nAVi7Q6Wx_k
Thanks for the links Michael. I will refine my emails as a result of my exchanges. I wasn’t surprised at how insular David was. Arrogance among the science “elites” is very common. Their reflex reaction to any alternative information is NO, followed by trying to support that position. It’s as if Apophis is their trophy and deflecting it would be a loss of pride.
I have found the easiest way to verify the Meier info is to use Wayback Machine and look for archived webpage copies to show that what was written came before the official announcement and news releases.
It’s the perpetual arrogance that, literally, dooms humankind time and again.
This particular dummy couldn’t bring himself to dispute any of the copyrighted – legal standard of proof – information. He and the “scientists” are only half of the problem, the rest is on the shoulders of the even dumber population that also refuses to think, as well as care, about life on planet Stupicide.
During the email exchange with him I was reminded of this quote from CR 150:
“499. In their materialistic and misleading disunity and in their megalomania, however, they disregard all warnings and prophecies, so that the event will probably inevitably come to pass, as a reminder and a punishment, if you want to see it in that manner.”
“503. The non-hearing will find many deaths for this, when the meteor begins its work of death and creates a new part of the Earth, through a vast rift of the Earth from the North Sea to the Black Sea, out of which the glowing lava will pour, if the prophecy should be fully fulfilled, which, however, is not yet determined to the last consequence.”
Apophis slamming into Earth at 7 kilometers per second will be the rudest and loudest of wake up calls. Even when the best models say that it won’t impact Earth it absolutely should be deflected regardless. Why not just remove the risk entirely? But the fragile ego of scientists can’t handle this idea. The dumb population would for the most part just defer to the scientists anyway on such important matters because they are the “experts” after all. Just like we trusted scientists when all the atomic tests were carried out causing widespread irradiation, along with other endeavors of scientific and medical malpractice.
They are pathetically arrogant. It’s a shame that the majority of humanity are at the mercy of these nitwits.
NASA Eyes – Asteriod site has Apophis labeled ..
https://eyes.nasa.gov/apps/asteroids/#/asteroids