So-called “Astronomer” Can’t Prove Claim He Discovered Apophis

It was his…asterisk, he lost it and can’t find it again with both hands and a flashlight

Unfortunately, anyone can publish un-verified and/or inaccurate information. Case in point, Dave Tholen, who claimed to have co-discovered asteroid Apophis in 2004…23 years after Billy Meier verifiably published the information.

Tholen, supposedly a scientist, who should be quite familiar with how to review data, has come completely unraveled by our publicizing Meier’s legal-standard documentation, long available in German and, more recently, six other languages.

Tholen’s inability to accept his Johnny-come-VERY-lately status has resulted in his emotional and ethical meltdown. Here is how he responds to evidence-substantiated statements:

Horn: Please remember, Billy Meier publishes, specific, error-free scientific information.

Tholen: Horse hockey.
Buffalo bagels.
Mule muffins.

Horn: NASA always subsequently corroborates and verifies it.

Tholen: Horse hockey.
Buffalo bagels.
Mule muffins.

Actually, how do we know that Tholen and his associates “co-discovered” Apophis? On what credible evidence does that claim rest? And what does it even mean? Try to find something with substantial information online and all you get is a claim that he co-discovered it.

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So, how likely is it that he actually played a part in “discovering” it before Billy Meier?

Simply compare the casual sentence or two mentioning Tholen, with Billy Meier’s specific, detailed information, verifiably published years and decades before Tholen and dwarfing his claims by…lightyears:

Contact Report 150, 10th October 1981:

Billy: Certainly, you should know that I do that. Say once, though, while we are on this Destroyer: According to the prophecies I have received, there are other comets and also meteors of enormous size that will have an influence on the Earth and the life of this world. I am particularly interested in the ‘red Meteor’. Is this now the Destroyer, or is it another comet that keeps passing through our solar system?

Quetzal: 492. Neither, my friend.

493. The meteor mentioned in the prophecies, which will have an enormous size and will cause very vicious destruction on Earth, and which besides climatic also threatens to bring tectonic and other changes, will also threaten to split the Earth’s crust, from today’s North Sea to the Black Sea, which however does not have to be true with certainty, because today certain factors speak against it.

494. It is coming towards the SOL-System from the depths of space and is, so to speak, an alien.

Billy: You mean it is not a known comet that keeps making its orbit through our system?

Quetzal: 495. That is of correctness, because this meteor is flying on an orbit that will lead it to the SOL-System for the first time.

496. It has never been to this area of space in earlier times.

Billy: And its journey is to end on Earth? Is there nothing you can do about it?

Quetzal: 497. You know very well that it will be so and that we must not stop this happening.

498.The cosmic forces themselves have pre-programmed this event, which could only be stopped or averted by the Earth-humans themselves.

499.In their materialistic and misleading disunity and in their megalomania, however, they disregard all warnings and prophecies, so that the event will probably inevitably come to pass, as a reminder and a punishment, if you want to see it in that manner.

500.And since this must be a warning and a rebuke, we must also not take any steps to avert the event.

501.Earth-humans should listen to your words and admonitions, but that is precisely what they do not do.

502.You are standing on a lost post, as a caller in the wilderness, and only a few are and will be willing to hear your words, to grasp them, to think about them and to learn to act correctly.

503.The non-hearing will find many deaths for this, when the meteor begins its work of death and creates a new part of the Earth, through a vast rift of the Earth from the North Sea to the Black Sea, out of which the glowing lava will pour, if the prophecy should be fully fulfilled, which, however, is not yet determined to the last consequence.

Billy: You say that so dramatically and unscientifically. Incidentally, I would be interested to know where this rift in the Earth originates.

Quetzal: 504. It is our way to remain human also in scientific explanations, without scientific language.

505. A scientific language predominates only among Earth-humans who believe that they have to distinguish themselves with this language.

506. This is a degeneration of callous megalomania, which also leads to the trivialisation of all dangers.

507. This is one of the reasons why we, and also any other intelligent and truthful thinking life-form, never enter into scientific language, but only use a human wise of speaking, which has to sound somewhat dramatic, because the drama of the monstrous actually exists.

508. A purely scientific form of expression is always wrong, because of the trivialisation and misjudgement of the dangers.

509. Regarding the expected Earth rift, I already told you that it will divide the land between the North Sea and the Black Sea.

510. Glowing lava masses and earth gases, etc. will then additionally create a deadly sulphur wall from this, which will drift westwards over the land and thus create an additional death zone, if the prophecy should actually be fully fulfilled, if the Earth-humans do not undertake something about it together.

Contact Report 471, 16th September 2008 (not included in the comic book as it didn’t have additional relvant information about the incoming object):

Billy: Maybe you have told me everything, but I only remember that you told me that only natural artefacts can still be found on Mars. Somehow there’s a hole in my memory, because I may not remember that we had spoken about that what you have said regarding the finding of the Men in Black on Mars and the removal of all human artefacts. But since we are talking about Mars, the red planet, the Red Meteor comes to my mind, of which it is written in a prophecy. I don’t know it exactly anymore, but Quetzal told me that it will enter into Earth’s orbit even if the prophecy regarding the Earth-humans’ evil machinations and wars would not be fulfilled, because the appearance of the meteor is not a prophecy, but a prediction and, therefore, a cosmic event. If I remember correctly, he said that the great danger by the meteor would threaten Earth on the 13th April 2029, while at the same time he also named a date for the year 2036.

Ptaah: 127. You are wrong; I have not spoken about the Sirians eliminating all human artefacts on Mars, because what I’ve just told you I told you never before.

128. Obviously you had an intuitive grasp of everything.

129. And what to say about Quetzal’s prediction regarding the meteor; I can only confirm his information.

Billy: Misunderstanding regarding Mars. Excuse me. But regarding the elimination of human achievements/acquisitions, this in part is also the case here (on Earth); many things are destroyed and eliminated at certain locations if they are connected to criminal acts. I only find it strange that all of those things have been eliminated on Mars that did not belong to the criminal Sirians, but to the former inhabitants. But law may be simply law – other humanities and planets, other laws, etc. And regarding the Red Meteor I just wanted to be sure.

Contact 475, 26th November 2008:

Billy: It is not possible for them to separate two things from each other. With regard to the Red Meteor, which will endanger the Earth on 13 April 2029 and about which we already spoke on 16 September, I was asked about a few things and would therefore like to know how big the bloke actually is. To my knowledge the terrestrial astronomers had also already discovered it quite some time ago and call it Aprophis or something. In the year 2029 it is supposed to either hit the Earth or whiz past it only very narrowly. If the latter should be the case, then a next dangerous meteor appearance would be in the year 2036, whereby then a nearing to the Earth could all the more lead to the catastrophe, if nothing is undertaken against it by the scientists or nothing changes in relation to the trajectory of the meteor itself.

Ptaah: 152. Its size is around 350 metres.

153. The scientists know what you are saying about the great danger the red meteor poses to the Earth.

154. And unless something results from a special influence of the outer SOL satellites, then the Earth is actually threatened by a catastrophe.

155. In order to avoid this, however, the terrestrial scientists are also urged to undertake every conceivable possibility to push the meteor permanently out of its orbit.

Billy: To my knowledge, various models exist for this purpose, but the scientists cannot reach an agreement on this. You are saying that the journeyman should be pushed out of its orbit, wherefrom I gather that blowing up is out of the question. Therefore, only a repulsion-principle could be applied, like e.g. an enormously strong nuclear repulsion-aggregate, solar sail-principles or atomic explosions in the vicinity of the meteor.

Ptaah: 156. Whereby particularly close to the meteor, atomic explosions should be considered, because these are very efficient and produce a strong drifting effect with such objects.

157. However, the explosions must not take place too close to the meteor in order to avoid a break-up by which an even greater danger would arise.

158. However, such an undertaking must already be carried out early and not only then, when the real danger starts to threaten, because otherwise a success can hardly still be given.

159. This means that already today work would have to be done in this direction.

Billy: And what about big repulsion aggregates and solar sail principles?

Ptaah: 160. Those are also possibilities, however they are much more difficult to carry out and questionable in their necessary effectiveness, and moreover they are not particularly recommendable with regard to their efficiency, because meteors are unstable with regard to a steady own position, but rather exhibit an own rotation, by which the attachment of effective repulsion aggregates and solar sails etc. is as good as rendered impossible.

Billy: Thus these things must still be thoroughly thought through by the scientists.

Ptaah: 161. That is in fact the case, but time for that presses.

The only other mention I found of the Red Meteor – and where they double-down on it originating in the Oort cloud –  is in Contact Report 544, September 1, 2012:

Billy: … You make me feel embarrassed, my friend. I would rather like you to explain to me in more detail why for quite some time now there have been enormous changes in the Oort cloud, which is located at the outermost edge of the SOL system, as you explained to me during a conversation on my major trip in 1975, when you gave me the opportunity to see the Dark Star. During one of our last conversations you also privately hinted again something concerning the changes taking place in the Oort cloud. You said that due to the dark planet that is spooking around out there, changes are taking place that will affect the whole SOL system. To my knowledge, the earthly scientists suspect something along these lines, that the Dark Star exists out there, but for them everything is still based on pure assumption; to my knowledge, they use the name Nemesis for the dark star they suspect. However, the whole matter has nothing to do with the dark planet, which moves its course on the other side of the Sun, and which cannot be noticed from the Earth and wanders like a ghost through the system, because I think that this one has nothing to do with the dark star Nemesis, does it?

Ptaah: 174. That is right.

175. The SOL system is a binary star system, whereby the SOL twin is a so-called dark star, as you say.

176. Its size is about ten times smaller than the SOL itself, whereby this twin also has an own planet orbiting around it, as you have known since 1975.

177. The radius of the dark star to the SOL comprises more than one light-year, i.e. more than 9.5 million million kilometres, and the orbiting of the SOL mass centre that is to say the SOL’s very own orbit amounts to about 26 million years.

Billy: SOL’s own orbit – what does that mean, I don’t understand this?

Ptaah: 178. The Sun, that is to say, SOL does not stand still in the outer space, but rather it rotates, namely also in its own far-reaching circle around an imaginary midpoint.

Billy: Aha, I did not know that. And why haven’t the earthly astronomers discovered the Dark Star yet?

Ptaah: 179. For this purpose, the technical astronomical apparatus and devices that have existed until now are not yet suitable.

180. But it is only a matter of time until a corresponding discovery is made.

181. However, the currently given technical facilities are not yet capable of capturing the extremely faint light of the Dark Star with its satellite.

182. And concerning the changes caused in the Oort cloud by the Dark Star, they are based in the fact that in the innumerable and existent in thousands of millions of smallest, small, large and largest rock, ice and metal fragment formations a tremendous movement takes place and that partly large formations are hurled as meteors out of the Oort cloud into orbits of the inner SOL system.

183. A major chain of such meteors has already been on its way to the inner SOL system for many decades and has partly also already passed the Earth or exploded high in the Earth’s atmosphere.

184. This happens because the Dark Star penetrated directly into the sphere of action of the Oort cloud a long time ago and has been causing severe disturbances ever since.

Billy: Then maybe new and still unknown comets and meteors can reach from there into the inner solar system and into the range of the Earth, as it is also the case with objects from the asteroid belt? And while I am already on this subject, then I ask myself whether it is also the case with these projectiles from the Oort cloud that some circle around each other in twos and threes, or that some are circled around by small satellites like moons, as is the case with larger asteroids, as I was allowed to observe it in 1975 on my Great Trip out of your large spaceship. But what happened to that very long chain of dark meteorites that was on course to Earth from the Oort cloud, about which you reported to me privately at the beginning of 2001? Are these meteors still on their way to the inner SOL system and to the Earth?

Ptaah: 185. It really was and is a really very long chain of meteors, which was catapulted out of the Oort cloud and which found its way into the inner solar system and thus also to the Earth.

186. Some of the larger meteors of this very long chain, as I have just explained, have already passed the Earth at close or further distance, smaller ones have crashed or have exploded at high altitude above the Earth, and this over a number of years, because they were and still are so widely spread on their trajectory.

187. The first meteor exploded towards the end of July in 2001 high above India over the Kerala area, a region you well know.

188. Another meteor from the same chain exploded again at high altitude over India, namely in the year 2007, while the next two meteors from the respective chain penetrated the Earth’s atmosphere high above Colombia and New Mexico in the year 2008 and exploded.

189. And from this very elongated chain of meteors there are still further ones on their way and on course to SOL and Earth, which, like the already mentioned meteors, were catapulted out of the Oort cloud by the Dark Star, that is to say the dark twin of SOL.

190. There are also still four forms that were catapulted out of the Oort cloud by the Dark Star, which belong to the category of comets and are also on a course into the inner SOL system.

Billy: So then this meteor chain is still very long, and depending on the speed of the objects, it might well still take years and decades until the last of these space satellites come into the further or closer range of the Earth, if I have understood you right. And, besides those from this chain of meteors that have exploded above the Earth, are there perhaps others from the same chain that have passed by the Earth?

Ptaah: 191. That is the case, yes, but I already said that, and it happened several times during the last decades.

192. And it will also continue to be so, as a result of which quite some things will still arise on the Earth.

Billy: Not really pleasant, then there is still a lot to be reckoned with on the Earth, because it is indeed inevitable that such meteors and comets will also penetrate the habitable zone, that is, the ‘green zone’ or so-called ‘Goldilocks zone’ of the solar system, in which indeed the Earth is located. On this point then also right away the question concerning the prophetically announced red meteor: Does this one also originate from the Oort cloud?

Ptaah: 193. That is in fact right, and unless something special arises, that its orbit changes through some unexpectedly emerging factors or that it is altered by the human beings of Earth, then it will come to pass that the prophecies will be fulfilled.

Billy: Understood. If a large object, a large comet, meteorite or asteroid crashes onto the Earth, as it did more than 240 million years ago, wherethrough indeed on the one hand the dinosaurs only came into existence and these were then exterminated again about 65 million years ago, then there are of course worldwide catastrophes, through which practically all life is extinguished. But if now a projectile that large falls from the outer space into the ocean, then it is not necessarily leading to a worldwide catastrophe, or is it?

Ptaah: 194. In fact, in this case the destruction does not extend over the entire world, but the whole thing is then confined centrally.

Billy: How is this to be understood?

Ptaah: 195. This means that when a large comet, meteorite or asteroid crashes into the ocean, as it happened for example millions of years ago in the Gulf of Mexico, etc., then a gigantic tsunami arises, the area of destruction of which encompasses a certain central expanse that extends over thousands of square kilometres.

196. Everything that is thereby directly destroyed by the actual tsunami, we call central destruction area.

197. That which is still only indirectly caused as destruction and thus only as a further effect by the tsunami end portions, we designate as off-central.

Billy: Aha, understood. You say that millions of years ago a projectile from outer space crashed down in the Gulf of Mexico and a gigantic tsunami arose. What should I think of as gigantic – and was there a crater on the ocean floor?

Ptaah: 198. In fact, a large crater has formed, which was also discovered years ago during investigations for oil drillings.

199. And as for the giganticness of the tsunami resulting from the crash, our calculations have established that the towering masses of water must have amounted to 4,936 metres in height and must have destroyed thousands of square kilometres of land and killed innumerable living creatures.

Billy: Really gigantic. But something else: independent life has indeed developed on the Earth, just as however comets and meteors from the outer space have brought life to the Earth. At least that’s what I was taught by your father Sfath, as well as by your daughter Semjase, and also by Quetzal and yourself. This life was of course very tiny, just only in the form of microorganisms. These microorganisms, i.e. microbes, are mostly unicellular living creatures, which can only be made visible by microscopic magnification, due to their tininess in the range of only a few micrometres. To this now the question, whether such microorganisms are still being brought to the Earth from the outer space and indeed by comets and meteors – perhaps also by asteroids? Sfath told me with regard to comets that from these microorganisms only reached the Earth when the comets crashed down to the Earth or when the comets passed by very close to it or when the planet got caught in their tail. Only thereby the microbes could then enter the atmosphere and the geosphere, and if I remember correctly the earthly scientists call such microorganisms from the outer space panspermia, at least that is what I once read somewhere. But there are actually different microbes; it interests me, are you able to say something about them?

Ptaah: 200. There are, if I want to use the terrestrial-scientific terms, eukaryotic microorganisms, which have a genuine cell nucleus and also DNA; microalgae, microscopically small fungi, protozoa.

201. In addition, there are the prokaryotic microorganisms, that have no genuine cell nucleus; archaebacteria, cyanobacteria and eubacteria.

202. Then there is however still a third form, which may well have cells, but for which a DNA is not characteristic, and which nevertheless can replicate at several hundred degrees heat.

203. But I should not say any more about it, because these things are still unknown to the terrestrial scientists.

204. Moreover, they are not endemic to the Earth, but rather only enter the Earth’s atmosphere and geosphere temporarily via comets and meteors, that is to say, through their disintegration.

Billy: Disintegration: what do I need to understand by this? Perhaps a dissolution or some such, as, for example, with a comet’s tail, or by way of an explosion of a comet or meteorite in or above the terrestrial atmosphere? Disintegration indeed actually means as much as ‘splitting’ or exactly ‘dissolving’.

Ptaah: 205. What you say is right, of course.

Plagiarized?

One possible reason for Tholen’s freaking out could be that he was influenced by…Meier’s information. There are more than a few sci-fi fans, like Tholen, who’ve “discovered” the Meier material and realized it’s the real-life version of all the make-believe. In fact, as stated in Wikipedia, it wouldn’t be the only time Tholen was “influenced” in regards to Apophis:

“David Tholen and Roy Tucker, co-discovers of 99942 Apophis, are both fans of the TV series Stargate SG-1, which influenced the naming of the asteroid.”

Obviously, Meier’s information, in addition to being copyright-verified, has far-reaching warnings, as well as challenging various unsubstantiated beliefs and theories from scientists. For his part, Tholen has made clear that he believes:

“Copyrights have nothing to do with accuracy of information.”

That firmly annihilates his own claim and, unfortunately, leaves him with…nothing, since he rejects the most credible means by which he can substantiate it, because it would force him to apply the same objective standard to Meier’s superior information and proof of prior publication.

Tholen, seething with envy, and coming apart at the seams, took a chance he could use derisive, abusive and dishonorable methods to bamboozle people who rely on ironclad evidence and proven facts.

It was his…asterisk, he lost it and can’t find it again with both hands and a flashlight.

Where Is the Integrity of the Scientific Process?

Wouldn’t real scientists demand you prove your claim and welcome the truth when you do?  So far, all of the noble faculty at UHIfA – of which Dave Tholen is a member – have maintained a circle-the-wagons-keep-your-mouth-closed policy, which stands in direct contradiction to another one of their stated values:

“Maintaining the integrity of the scientific process”

Perhaps they also share Tholen’s erroneous belief that because they are scientists, they are somehow above accountability, professionalism and self-responsibility, also forgetting that an asteroid impact is an equal opportunity offender.

As Semjase explained, in 1976:

118.Your politicians and scientists are absolute irresponsible creatures, from whom their power would have to be removed, in order to replace them by reasonable and responsibility conscious powers.

119.But unfortunately, this can only be achieved by force, which should be carried out by the people themselves.

…..

127.For Earth Man, only the use of force remains.

128.For just too long, he has allowed himself to be fooled by the responsible ones, therefore, he can achieve nothing any longer in a peaceful manner…

129.The power on the Earth is embodied by politics, the religions and the scientists.

130.And exactly this power must be broken, otherwise Earth Man suffers a very evil end, not only through war and exploitation, but also by the atomizing of the planet.

…..

133. But Earth Man still has some time to come to his senses and to tear from the great ones, as you call them, their sword of power and to live according to the natural rules of life.

134. Yet he will not be able to avoid having already to bear the consequences of his insanity, because the Earth already is damaged within and without to the degree, that from within she is heaving.

135. Powerful earthquakes, volcanic eruptions, climatic changes, storms, flooding and accidents will mark the world picture from now on.

136. Entire nations will sink into the waters and uncountable human beings will meet an evil end.

Lying doesn’t change the truth, it only compounds the negative consequences of the lie.