Regarding the future of the USA
Billy Meier was first told by the Plejaren that Trump would win the election on June 30, 2016, just one month after he made these comments about the election…and the two coming civil wars.
They had even discussed the anti-democratic actions of the Democrats and others, which are now clearly ever-increasing in terms of their attempts to delegitimize the election, demonize Trump, intimidate people who disagree and those who would even dare to participate in the inauguration, etc.
The Henoch Prophecies
In following articles, the discussion will progress to an analysis of the relationship of the Henoch Prophecies to current events. We’ll discuss if Trump will succeed in forming a coalition with the Russians to eliminate the IS, or if pressures and machinations from the insane, war-mongering elements of the American government, intelligence agencies, military, religious factions, etc., will force the fulfillment of a life-extinguishing world war with Russia, China, etc.?
We will also discuss how the answers to these questions also rest in part with the active participation of willing individuals to take complete self-responsibility to study, learn and apply the core principles of the spiritual teaching.
Prophecies vs. Predictions
Prophecies are warnings of what will occur if people don’t prioritize helping to change the course of events to a more positive, life-sustaining one. Should we continue to fail to respond to them, the prophecies take the form of predictions, meaning they become certain and unalterable. As has also been repeatedly stated, no outside forces such as imaginary gods, angels, saviors, saints, etc., are coming to save us. The responsibility for the fate of humankind rests solely with us, the human beings of planet Earth.
See also:
Trump: According to Billy Meier and the Plejaren
I think Trump could succeed in forming a coalition with Russia, but he is up against serious opposing internal forces that could try and prevent this coalition, and try and escalate war between US, and Russia and China. I hope his coalition can succeed truly. 🙂
What unfortunate news for everyone. I am in my second semester of college back in Indiana and am thinking that moving back to somewhere in AZ it will be the smartest move I can make. I moved since I could attend an affordable college and not have to enter massive amounts of debt to attain a degree. Well with this news looks like I will have to change everything. I plan to get an affordable apartment in Prescott or surrounding area and go to the Yavapai / NAU college there to get a degree in elementary education. Looks like I will have to move forward with accomplishing practically nothing in my first year of college since most the credits will not transfer, if any. This is a lot to handle in this small town of Vincennes Indiana. We are all hanging on by a thread out here in the Midwest, and everywhere really. The idea of a civil war is very sobering and I hope that it doesn’t come about! Michael Horn, where did this question come from, was it based on the information of the USA losing superpower status in 2020?
“Michael Horn, where did this question come from, was it based on the information of the USA losing superpower status in 2020?” – It doesn’t matter what prompted the question since the information is out there now.
Also, Did you mention one time it was 200 km surrounding Munds Park that is considered the safest in the USA, I have not been able to find any information on any distance, just the mentioning of Munds Park.
Kelsey,
The warning about the civl wars is in the Henoch Prophecies, from 1987.
Yes, a 200 km radius of Flagstaff, actually. I don’t remember the contact number, etc.
Well hopefully Phoenix area is safe.
The truth of the matter is that while some areas may be more intrinsically favorable, one can be safe or unsafe…almost anywhere.
Debra found the information regarding Munds ParK:
http://theyfly.com/sites/default/files/423rd%20Contact%20Report%20-%20Northern%20Arizona.pdf
I don’t think Trump will be allowed to form a coalition with Russia because matters abroad are the domain of the CIA. US presidents come and go but US foreign policy never changes. Unfortunately.
MH,
Certainly Trump seems sane to want to make peace with Russia and cooperate to eliminate ISIS. But this is a huge long shot considering that Russia probably did hack the election; and although this is common place among stronger nations to interfere, this time the stakes are much higher, and the liberal agenda, which included many social programs for hard working folks who make a minimum wage, are under attack. Certainly President Obama failed with Russia, but he succeeded very much domestically.
So Trump wants to work with Russian, BUT he wants to get tough on China? Trump wants to continue to disrespect the One China policy. His Secretary of State Pick, although business cozy with Russia, wants to get tough in the South China sea. The Chinese are so concerned they have warned the US. Trump’s irresponsible rhetoric could not only start a trade war with China, but also a hot war. Ask yourself, with as greedy as Trump is, why does he give a rat’s ass about Russia AND at the same time want to push China around? You would think if Trump was really a humanitarian he would be looking to create peace and cooperate with BOTH! This is also very telling….
Your prophecy savior Trump does not fit the info when it comes to China, my friend.
There are NO saviors, yours, mine or otherwise.
It’s easy to criticize and certainly many of the appointees/nominees, etc., appear to be undesirable, etc.
But this is the “real world”. Trump is the new president. The stakes for the world are very high.
May we suggest studying and applying the spiritual teaching in forming thoughts that lead to positive, constructive actions in one’s own sphere? So far humanity has scoffed at ALL the prophets, failed to learn and asserted its collectively ignorant, arrogant, bloodthirsty ways.
Instead of joining the cry baby leftists and other defeatists, if we truly think we want a better outcome than the ones now moving towards fulfillment…join with like-minded people, stay out of the dead-end, pointlessly petty political bickering and…lead by example.
The Russia Hack is a diversion tactic away from the actual evidence that found the Clinton campaign guilty of stealing the election and the many other damning pieces of information that came out from the emails. Julian Assange stated cleared that the leak did not come from a state institution and there has been no evidence presented to suggest the Russians hack the dnc or Clintons emails. Trump in his recent press conference surprisingly came out and said it could well have been the Russians but this has been suggested as being a strategy to get the CIA of his back. Listen to this very insightful interview with Dr Paul Craig Roberts. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PSoXg3-3jzg
Thanks Dubhaltagh. And here’s a little more info on what stupid nonsense the Russian hack concerns are, courtesy of Sheila:
http://debatepost.com/2016/11/02/breaking-wikileaks-shows-hillary-clinton-may-have-helped-trudeau-win-the-canadian-election/
http://canadafreepress.com/article/obama-campaign-team-hands-canada-over-to-the-lib-left
Thanks to the DNC our country is being run by a boy who meets with George Soros for further instructions. The instructions were another 100,000 economic refugees before the end of 2017. I also blame our corrupt media who still refuse to hold him to account because they helped elect him.
Kevin O’Leary for PM in 2019!
Hear, Hear! For once Sheila and I are on the same side! Kevin O’Leary for Prime Minister! He’ll straighten things up for us. Right, now let’s get on with our work day!
Dear MH,
Do you realize that you did not address China in your entire reply? I say you are off topic.
You and your crew are so pro Trump it is sickening. You folks need to get neutral-positive. China threats are real! How can you ignore this and still pump Trump?
I may be applying the spiritual teaching better than you in this case. You choose to close off your mind to the problems brewing with China. The reason Trump is bulling China is to gain business advantage; plus he thinks President Obama was a fool for being shown the back of the line in China. Trump is going to show ’em??!!!
How can you be so blind???? Cry baby? You must be glad that 30 million are losing healthcare because Trump want to repeal and replace at the same time? They have no plan, wake up! You are easily fooled. You try so hard to wake people up yourself. It is you that needs to be shaken out of a Trump slumber.
The main issue right now in terms of a possible coalition is the Trump-Putin connection Certainly, if the prophecies just roll own and fulfill themselves, China will be aligned with Russia, as will many other countries. We hadn’t even gotten into the specifics of the Henoch Prophecies yet, with the various possible coalitions, etc., that are mentioned therein. But of course that doesn’t matter, here’s another opportunity to attack…and then later tell us how “humorous” it was intended to be.
There is no “you and your crew”/me and my crew. And there isn’t even any pro-Trump/anti-Trump. There are perceptions that someone got elected and has expressed agendas contrary to the historically horrific policies of this country. Couldn’t we all get behind that…especially when the guy has (perhaps dangerously) taken on the CIA and other elements that have basically created and pursued these murderous policies…for which you, me and the rest of us may actually be “paying” should Trump fail to make positive progress?
Of course if one is really stuck in political thinking, it reverts to all the usual garbage. Perhaps in your world Clinton is now president and you can be happy about it. Maybe the realities of what these parasites have actually done in their exploitation of peoples such as in Haiti (http://www.wnd.com/2016/10/haitians-fear-clintons-will-scam-them-again/) make some of us us feel fortunate that they won’t be in power to do more of it.
As far as being “blind”, “glad”, “fooled”, etc., go back, read Ptaah’s comments about the things that Trump will hopefully come to his senses about.
I was going to point out that stating things that could be positive developments in terms of the Trump presidency DOESN’T imply any endorsement, so-called “pro-Trump” political position, etc. But I didn’t BECA– — USE it seemed so obvious to me that any REASONABLE person reading the information and listening to the discussion Bob and I had would indeed…OBVIOUSLY realize that we were not politically partisan.
But no. There’s always someone who actually seeks to distort, confuse, obfuscate attempts at clarity and reason, who has to jump in seemingly solely to turn such a discussion into something that it clearly isn’t. But of course, in due time, it’ll be pointed out that I “misunderstood” the “humorous intentions” behind the comments. Here we go again.
This time I was not being funny. Do you need hints? I thought your guy’s interview was great. I especially liked the Montell Williams intro. Everybody is entitled to their opinion. And in my opinion, you and your crew (You and Figu people) are not factoring in China. You still have not addressed China!!! So you bring in Haiti? The campaign is over. I am being neutral-positive here by making an observation that Trump is unusually hard on China, on numerous fronts. And you bring in Clinton mistakes? Everybody makes mistakes. Please stick to my neutral-positive comment about China. (now I am kinda being funny there;) I have as much right to have my opinion discussed as yours….
We also didn’t bring in the Third World countries, the African, Asian countries, the various kinds of weapons, etc., etc., etc.
Try to follow along here. We spoke about what we spoke about so far. And once again there is no monolithic “FIGU people”. Un;ess of course you mean yourself as someone who participates in meetings with people who discuss primarily FIGU-related information. I guess that does make you a “FIGU person”, so perhaps it’s also a bit schizophrenic to talk about and criticize yourself in the third person.
If it isn’t asking too much to have your opinion directed to what’s actually been the main elements discussed so far. instead of just looking to complain about what hasn’t yet been discussed, that would be nice.
MH, you are still off topic. China is not third world economically.
Now you are trying to take my friendly-rhyming conversation style and turn my into a schizophrenic? You are a devil unleashed, MH.
Here is what I really think why Billy chose Trump as the lesser evil. Billy has a very negative view of America, his criticisms are paramount. I do understand the urgency to prevent a WW since the USA is a major instigator. So harsh criticism is in order. But in my opinion Billy goes too far without making similar criticisms about Russia domestic policy for example. Billy is so one-way road with Russia it is not even funny. Russia is a dictatorship. There are nowhere near the same social freedoms in Russia as the USA; conservative values are ordered by the Kremlin and folks better fall into line. This may be forcing morality but is is also highly religious. There are no real religious freedom in Russia. http://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2016/11/22/putin-religious-freedom-laws-column/93959106/ Russia is so pro Christian conservative it is not even funny. The USA is far, far less religious as a people than the ultra conservative Russians. That is why they think we are the devil. There are no LGBT rights in Russia. This is the work of the devil, in Putin’s mind. There is no medical marijuana in Russia. As far as Russia is concerned, the USA is a house of sin. These are all social justices that emerged or made progress under President Obama. Most of these social programs would get you thrown away in jail or simply killed. Devil foreign policy or not, the USA domestically with all her problems offers the human being more freedom and opportunity than anywhere else.
In a way Billy is so sour on America, he might see her collapse as a benefit to world peace. Not that he is malicious in anyway, but rather neutral like the Ps watching us bleep up from a distance. This sourness extends to Hillary because she simply would rather have the west succeed than Russia with her lack of diversity and acceptance. For some reason, Russia is Billy’s darling. And certainly Putin’s foreign policy of seeking peace is to be considered admirable. However, I would argue Putin needs to act accommodating internationally so that he can gain footing for overtaking the west. Putin thinks that allegedly bisexual and occultist Hillary is full of sin and thinks she is the spawn of the devil. Of course Hillary has her insanity too, by wanting to fight Russia or even take her down. The big reason for her foreign policy of regime change was to maintain dollar hegemony. What worries the US and Europe, Australia, Canada is economic collapse because of financial abuse. They of course are willing to go to war to not lose western states and their combined currency influence. And hypocrite western high standard of living citizen thinks they are free of this nonsense and war. No if you live a western lifestyle, lavish or not, you are benefiting from this continued dollar hegemony. So in a way if folks love using their US, Canadian and Austrian dollars they have no business thinking they are above evil Hillary.
Right, of course, and Meier also failed to address the price of gas and oil in Russia, corruption, the oligarchs, etc.
Billy this, Billy that…did we forget that the Henoch Prophecies, in which a lot of information about the US, Russia, etc., wasn’t actually written by Meier but by Henoch, well over 10,000 years ago? And that the he most likely got it from the Petale level?
Is it really asking too much to try to address the actual points under discussion?
anthony”jarjar”alagna, How do you know so much about Putin? Dude you chose the wrong candidate get over it and try to make things better. Billy couldn’t be any clearer Hillary = “The Devil is loose”! What don’t you understand about that? Now move on & try to heal the next problem. Which is this insane fake news hacked elections crap! Tell your Leftist friends the truth the CIA created this fake news hacked election narrative. The EU/Globalist are going to be a false ruling Tyranny! By Hidden un-elected leaders! Not a Utopian paradise!
You sound like a combination of Billy mated with Alex Jones. Trump is destroying the credibility of the CIA and other crucial USA institutions. This should concern you as an American. Billy is right the CIA is evil. But the fall of USA key institutions (press and intelligence) equals the fall of the country. This is not good for folks living in the west. I know Russia, read the linked article, because I read the news from many different perspectives.
Thanks for the reply, my friend.
I understand the fall of USA might mean the fall of CIA. But who knows the CIA Deep State may be able to survive the Fall. I’m not rooting for the Fall of the USA but this warmongering has got to stop. The CIA doesn’t really work for the USA it uses the USA. I do see your point from Billy’s perspective he may welcome a Fall. And I’ve thought about it many times over the years. So a Fall of both could equal a World Wide Liberation from a Plejaren perspective.
Let’s hope the CIA fails because I’ve investigated some of their shenanigans around here and it’s obvious they are horrible criminals that should be convicted. Apparently they aren’t allowed to work on US soil so the rest of the world gets a real good taste of what they are about.
Off topic but maybe not. . . . The Gospel according to David Icke have the Reptilian dynasty in control of America, whether Clinton or Trump had been elected, there will be no real change in who’s in control here. The one is as bad as the other. And, if I recall in that short interview Michael had with Meier last spring, that’s similar to what Meier said to. With Hillary “the devil is loose” and with Trump, well he just chuckled and indicated that things wouldn’t be much better under his most esteemed leadership either.
Carolyn,
As we progress – or descend – more and more towards very challenging times, to flush one’s consciousness of the confused rambling of David Icke and his imaginary “Reptilians” would be a healthier step. To include and refer to such idiocy only perpetuates the overlay of the utterly unreal, unhelpful machinations of the disinformation either concocted by, or generously contributed to, by the intelligence agencies, secret military, etc.
All of that junk is simply incompatible with the truth and, most certainly, is and will be utterly useless unmaking the necessary changes in our self-responsible thinking and actions.
Is that such a bad thing, if the CIA and the Press were to fall!!!
“JarJar”
A fitting name for one considering himself “a little daft”. Just because your politically corrected panties are so tightly wound so that it makes you sound as if you were actually created in a leftist-pseudo-liberal laboratory, conceived and built in irrationality; does not change the obvious (for those with rational thinking) fact that remains: Insensitivity, discrimination, or even alienation all these “victims” such as: non-christians, occultists, LGBT, and those voluntarily constricted by the aforementioned PC-panties, does not compare with a fraction of importance to preventing a Nuclear World War.
Regarding China, If we are successful in making Russia an ally, China isn’t likely to be so bold as to move against the U.S. This is the point trying to be made. Please don’t disrespect Michael and the others readers by spewing further nonsense.
Saalome
This is so fun. I am not exactly sharing a leftist view. The view is unique and my own. All I am saying is that anybody lopsidedly criticizing Hillary is a hypocrite and anybody lopsidedly supporting Trump is cheering on the fall of the USA, in my daft opinion;)
Btw Seth, what color are your panties;0) Because you certainly are not on top here in this discussion.
The bottom line and this is just me, but I would NOT trade all of Trump’s social uprising agenda, just because of the a flimsy Trump pro Russia position. Not that I am crying for Hillary. I am just discussing, on a blog that encourages discussion so that folks can break out of their limited mindsets. With Hillary, on the other hand, you had further social progress of diversity and acceptance, which effects 100s of millions of people living in the USA, on the chance that she might start ww4. I think Billy was exaggerating about Hillary because of his sour USA stance. Trump offers the world a chance that he will screw up so bad that the fall of the USA could happen by 2020, and that is alright by Billy because the USA, with her most diverse freedoms, will lose out to ultra conservative religion.
A note on “diversity”, the often ill thought out, precious little slogan of the left. Is diversity more important than…excellence and qualified ability? If you need a critical medical procedure, are you comforted by the idea that diversity is what got your physician hired…or their qualifications, regardless of race, color, etc.?
I would have to say that your comment, “I think Billy was exaggerating about Hillary because of his sour USA stance”, is absolutely typical of your projections that completely disregard the extremely careful way in which the information is gathered and expressed by Meier and the Plejaren. But on you go further, ascribing a certain joy to Meier if the US “will lose out to ultra conservative religion.” Where do you get such stupid crap and why do you waste your and everybody’s else’s time with such absolutely unsubstantiated digs at Meier?
Such statements seem to come from a very superficial, political-emotional perspective, one that certainly neither has the thoughtfulness, nor the expertise, of those people who have essentially been observing and studying our world for many millennia. So perhaps first “break out” of your limited mindset, think through what you’re submitting for approval.
Right now it’s here as evidence of really shallow, reactive, unsubstantiated, off-topic, nonsense. How long I really am going to allow it is something that I’m pondering.
If you think I am sharing a shallow, reactive, unsubstantiated off-topic (look up at your intro “Regarding the future of the USA”) limited mindset, well then Figu is NOT for me. You folks are not only prejudice to countering opinion, but often extremist in thinking. I would recommend studying the Meier case to anyone. But I too am pondering if I want to continue posting on your blog or going to your meetings. Because I do respect Meier. I do think he meets with ETs. But I also think he really is too sour on the USA. This is my opinion. Please, MH have you EVER read anything from Meier where he criticizes Russia? Please I will stop bleeping talking on this blog if someone will show me where Meier says Russia needs to improve this or improve that. I rest my case.
Russia is not trying to start a war with the US. The US, EU, NATO, etc., are trying to start a potentially LIFE-ENDING war with them, if what Meier has been saying for some time is true:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d7ce5dFaSa0&t=18s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KzRJoJjzcig
You, are a citizen of this country which, according to the prophecies in this case:
217. Far in the West, it will be different; the United States of America will be a country of total destruction.
218. The cause for this will be manifold.
219. With its global conflicts which are continuously instigated by it and which will continue far into the future, America is creating enormous hatred against itself, worldwide, in many countries.
220. As a result, America will experience enormous catastrophes which will reach proportions barely imaginable to people of Earth.
221. The destruction of the WTC, i.e., the World Trade Center, by terrorists will only be the beginning.
222. Yet all the apocalyptic events will not only be brought about due to the use of unbelievably deadly and destructive weapons—such as chemical, laser and others—and by cloned murder machines; but in addition to this, the Earth and nature, maltreated to the deepest depths by the irresponsible human beings of Earth, will rise up and cause destruction and bring death onto the Earth.
223. Enormous firestorms and gigantic hurricanes will sweep over the USA and bring devastation, destruction and annihilation, as this from time immemorial never before will have happened [sic].
224. Not only will America, but also all other Western industrial countries which still live at the beginning of the new millennium in the delusion that they could dominate and rule over underdeveloped nations, i.e., Third World countries, will not only soon lose influence over these but must defend themselves against them.
More worried about “diversity”, the bad conditions in Russia for the LGBT community, minks, cross-dressing chipmunks, etc.?
Snap the hell out of it. You want to use this blog to come on and spew nonsense just to provoke some fireworks? What does that say about just how well you’ve really grasped these warnings, these efforts that Meier has risked his life, has been targeted for death at least 23 times for trying to get through the enormously thick skulls of hundreds of millions of Americans and billions of other people?
Star Wars more fun for you, wanna play pretend space hero and give lip service to this case? Maybe you should spend more time on some Star Wars blogs with all the other entertainment-seeking, video game playing, escapists.
More info, courtesy of Norm:
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-01-15/why-obama-moving-troops-poland-provoking-war-russia-right-inauguration
Any doubts what would happen had Hillary won? Any doubts about what’s happened to Obama, how he got “turned”, as per what Ptaah and Meier spoke about here:
http://beam2eng.blogspot.com/2016/08/cr-646-excerpt-obama-merkel-putin-and.html
So Trump gets to inherit the latest provocations and maybe you should really be glad that all the cry-baby, lunatic losers on the left, the entitled ones who were “supposed” to win, to have their psychopathic war-mongering candidate push the world towards incineration, didn’t get their “diversity” loving way.
MH,
I will take all of your abuse. It shows how shallow this whole deal is. Go ahead throw rocks at Jar Jar for just speaking some words. I am beloved on other blogs;) I don’t need for you to give me a home here, hypocrite.
May the Force be with you!
Anthony,
No need to play the martyr card here. BTW, is there some reason that you are now referring to yourself in the third person, a fictitious person at that? That’s really just a question for you to ponder, or not. I won’t be posting answers to it. I think what actually occurred is that other people, as well as me, simply got tired of the infantile, incendiary, self-irresponsible, passive-aggressive approach you indulged in.
It isn’t about whether one agrees or not with this for that opinion, after all, this blog supports comments and varying views. What I’m not going to entertain anymore, having let out more than enough rope for you to tie yourself in knots, is the kind of stuff that in effect hijacks the conversations.
Since one of the things you’ve told us is that you’re all about teaching us the spiritual teaching, etc., I suggest that you apply it to yourself in this manner: When you sit down to compose your comments, wherever you may choose to submit them, look deeply into your own thoughts, especially your motivations and how they may be connected to the feelings that arise. Ask yourself what you are trying to accomplish…first.
Maybe if you really get clear on that you’ll see the, what ever you really want to accomplish, it’s most often been wrapped in thoughts/expressions that almost guarantee a very different outcome.
I won’t go back and forth anymore either and let this become a conversation about these issues. If you submit comments that are on-topic, I’ll approve them along with everyone else’s.
So, for other people who may subsequently submit comments about this little drama, I’ll probably not approve them either because I think we’ve had sufficient contributions about the overall pro/con on this.
Hey, hey guys, wait a minute here! This planet is involved in a Star Wars scenario. . . . . Just what do you think that object circling our planet that we call the “moon” is? Do you know that there was a time, in the memory of native folks on this planet, where there was no moon? When the fictitious moon landing (according to Billy and Ptaah) took place, apparently the fictional story goes something like this: the astronauts dropped something heavy on the moon, from a height, and the thing rang like a bell for hours afterward. Not only did it ring and continue ringing, but it vibrated. Now that’s a piece of scary information that Billy (and Ptaah) have literally eliminated by declaring the moon landing as “fictitious”. Just what do you think a “death star” would look like after millions of years wandering around in outer space, covered in space dust a few meters deep? And why is it circling our planet, which was not there a few thousand years ago? Do ya think it still works????
Come on folks! Wake up, it’s later than you think!
Carolyn,
Are you trying to make it look like you’re just “lobbing them up” so that they can be slammed down, metaphorically speaking?
For a bit of clearer, more sober information please read:
http://www.theyfly.com/Moon_Origin.htm
Time to lay off the Schnapps?
Since I’ve gotten things off topic here with the moon, let me suggest a couple of other “things” the moon could be. It could be a space station populated with a few million people or beings. It could be some kind of “artificial sun”, which if our sun goes out sometime might open up and provide a dimmer kind of sunlight to the planet. . . . in my mind I kind of see it opening up on a hinge to reveal a luminous orb inside. . . . It could just be a solid ball of iron or some other metal. Apparently the fictitious moon landing revealed high amounts of titanium in the moon rocks, in much higher amounts than is found naturally in any rocks on the earth. I rest my case. Please publish. . . . I am not taking any sides in arguments, just presenting another viewpoint.
Carolyn,
Again, please see:
http://www.theyfly.com/Moon_Origin.htm
Since I’m unfamiliar with the whole cosmology, are you perhaps celebrating some Tolkien-created holiday that has all the wee folk submerging themselves in super-strength libations of some kind? Just asking.
I really hate the Henoch prophecies! I guess I’ll never be a real devotee of Meier!
Please MH, I’m a little daft. Please make a list. It can be short with short sentences what the points under discussion are? “We’ll see if Trump succeeds at a coalition…” is your discussion, master.
Hey jarjar, or should I call you Mr. Binks, just some food for thought, MH stated that it was Henoch that wrote these prophesies not Billy. These were written over 10,000 years ago and anyone and I mean anyone paying attention to what is going on around the world can see who is the cause of most of the world’s problem. It’s the USA, if that rubs you the wrong way, too bad, up until recently the USA were the only country dropping bombs on other countries, and if it’s not them they are indirectly involved. It doesn’t take a rocket scientist to figure that out, even my in-laws have figured that out on their own without Billy’s information. I have never considered Russia as a threat to the survival of the planet, because I choose not to believe the American media hype.
BTW Carolyn, you’re wrong, the moon is made of Cheese!!!
Not to push this farther, as typical of many Americans to hate, in any regard that of also Russia. One of my good friends as a child was straight from the soviet union when it fell, when his family moved here in early 90’s. A good person whom is no different than many right next door!….
My cousin, whom is gay, went on a trip to Russia last year. He has pictures standing in front of many places, talked about going to gay clubs etc. Said hardest part was getting ok to go, as rightly Russia is keen to Americans traveling. How afraid people are of loosing some perceived control over something illogically wanted by some one else… In that not seeing whom is the instigator within the world we call home, and the ‘Land of the free’, just to fear losing something our country never had the right in even trying to take away… Love, peace, freedom, and harmony… Amongst others to everyone, not just fellow mericans
jarjar you say ” I have as much right to have my opinion discussed as yours”
Well, I will just make a few points here : How many people here do you really think actually discuss your opinions ? Not very many ( excepting the ever patient Michael…)
Next : My observations of your opinions, is that they contain the ingreadiants of – The instant, ignorant expert, with a massive ego, add to that aggresion, provocation, flavoured with caustic arragance and more ignorance, wraped up in a cotton wool self defenceive burrito (with a few glittery stars (wars) sprinkled on top… So why dont you do us all a favour (especialy the ever patient and long suffering Michael) and just shut up, and go away…perhaps to smoke your ‘medicinal herbs’ and finally, ask yourself just how many friends you actually have, and why not…
I will not be replying to you (anyway I will not be able to…as I feel fairly sure that you have been given enough rope to hang yourself, and future posts…HOPEFULLY )
Thanks,
I agree. This guy just keeps spouting the same radical leftist nonsense it’s really give me a heading. “Acceptance of occultists” wtf man? Jarjar, You must be high on some really bad sh*t. Clearly you don’t have a hint of good judgement in your mind, its like all the brainwave were pushed into then locked in the leftmost pocket of your brain. Everything MH and Gary, said about your posts are spot on, and I’d like to add that they are also pseudo-sensitive, cyber-pollution. And I agree with you Jarjar, I don’t think figu is the place for you if you disregard what Billy and “his crew” have dedicated their lives to informing us of. I vote to ban Jarjar from further posting since he stubbornly refuses to come to his senses.
Anthony, you say that there is no medical marijuana in Russia. And this is now supposed to be a “bad” thing, right??
Adding to the amusement, is when you also claim that there is no real religious freedom in Russia, then cite a usatoday article to back up your claim. Ookaaay
Not biased at all…
America is becoming so great that after school satan’s club may soon be coming to your kids elementary school. I bet the loser countries are feeling super jealous right now, especially Russia.
“Many Euro-Atlantic countries have moved away from their roots, including Christian values,” Russian President Vladimir Putin said in a recent keynote speech. “Policies are being pursued that place on the same level a multi-child family and a same-sex partnership, a faith in God and a belief in Satan. This is the path to degradation.”
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/jan/28/whos-godless-now-russia-says-its-us/
Wow, this was a crazy discussion hereback and forth it went… But I thank both sides for this helps me understand more… Thank you
!!! WARNING !!! – OFF TOPIC –
I just had a brilliant idea!
Ant-Man, get your Bee-hind over to the SSSC and sort ’em out!
Go-fund-me or something and pay for me too, I’ll learn to film.
🙂
Anthony, you lost all credibility when you said that Russia probably did hack the election.
Associating politics and religion has resulted in the world we live in, where powerful corrupt, criminal links, damaging corporations are never punished by law of cause and effect, and anyone who steals a can of sardines to starve themselves can take years in prison. And it results in disjointed discussions, when what is wanted is the discussion on how to apply the so-called spiritual lessons.
Please Carlos, in your research that brought you here to the Meier case, what is your best opinion on how to apply the spiritual lessons? And that will get the ball rolling….
Semjase said in the original contacts that “one should not speak much of the teachings why man should be able to think for himself.” And that Meier should “elaborate and interpret the teachings” which in the way that were passed is very basic (I would even say coarse, and GOT seems like a 5-year old children exortation, very, very schematic and redundant). Maybe (attention: perhaps) because of overwork or age, Meier could not elaborate enough and there are many gaps and several contradictions for a spiritual knowledge, which has become logical-scientific in an area where this kind of logic does not work well. But to say this is in the original spirit of the quest, although, I know, some change or precipitation of the situation has changed some rules after the departure and end of the official mission in 1995, when the Pss said that “we are no longer in control of the planet; There are still old gods here who will seek to make themselves heard”. This has always been an enigma to the experts in the case, these changes and contradictions. And somehow it instigates thought and search. One way to NOT apply the lessons, spiritual or otherwise, is to say “that’s true because they said it’s true”. Or blame other by this. There may be hypocrisy in the preaching, or unjust consideration of others, who also suffer the situation of the planet, material, spiritual or ideological (members of the Pleiadian federation suffered damages, including psychological damage to the Earth’s situation).I understand until certain point MH’s view, because he is the official announcer and has to draw the attention of a large audience that does not go into subtleties (I hope it’s just that, and that opening January already with these intricate political-religious issues are reflection of some urgency – but urgency and anxiety in what calls for care and patience, may be fruitless “).It is just my opinion, with the merit of being thoughtful and very well informed. If you think it is not so, put it on as you think or see it is and move on!
If it did not go well, it’s the price of life and the game … (or sent your mail to particular messages…)
My own experience in reading and rereading thee spiritual teaching, like The Might of the Thoughts, The Way to Live, the Goblet of the Truth, etc., is that it is we who are the the five-year-old children, for whom the teaching and instruction is delivered in a variety of ways including repetition. I doubt that most of us even really understand much of it even rereading it.
The actual workings of the consciousness, it’s relation to and affect on thinking, the body, etc., is far more precise and extensive than what I’ve found anywhere else so far. Perhaps as we study and learn more, the teaching itself will “magically seem smarter and wiser”, indicating that it is we who are slowly maturing and evolving in our understanding.
The spiritual teachings are a bit hard to absorb, and I can tell you why it’s hard to read them. They sound a bit like a moralizing lecture, or like Bible verses we were forced to read when we were young. There is an overwhelming feeling of superiority in the way these items are written in prose, a feeling of “I” and “Thou” not being in any way on an equal footing. We stupid people are receiving instruction from some great learned sage, who is a little bit sympathetic about our status as lesser creatures, and a little bit despairing of our abilities to grasp his most noble and learned teachings/philosophies. In fact, Billy sometimes reminds me a bit of Saruman (Lord of the Rings). He is full of superior knowledge that he is sure is the best knowledge, and he despairs of being able to commute (yes “commute”) that knowledge to the poor lesser people who surround him. I do believe that this is why great masses of people have not latched on either to BEAM, FIGU or the spiritual teachings. The spiritual teachings are correct, there is no doubt about it! However, the presentation is pedantic, slow and assumes stupidity and an inability to grasp even simple truths on the other end. We earth people aren’t stupid, and maybe we should listen to people like David Icke, who have alternative explanations to what’s going on here! I like Billy very much, but I expect that if I ever meet him face to face, an argument will ensue about a few things. . . . .
Carolyn,
First, it’s the spiritual teaching (singular). Now when you say it’s “hard to absorb” that may be so at times…but not for the reasons you then go on to give.
I suggest that among the reasons you find it difficult are that you may have some “bad memories” connected to your own actual religious indoctrination years ago, which certainly does create an “I and thou” sense of inferiority, guilt, lack of worthiness, etc., etc., etc.
There is absolutely none of that in the spiritual teaching that I’ve encountered. It’s actually fairly plain spoken, yet some of it is enormously challenging to understand for reasons that include our unfamiliarity with the parts of our consciousness, and the ways that they work, etc. I recently found myself rereading parts of The Might of the Thoughts and it was so challenging that I wondered if I had actually read it before.
So the resentment that you are expressing gives you a wonderful opportunity to put into practice one of the core elements of the teaching, i.e. self-responsibility. Read your comments and realize what you can from them about your own beliefs, the thoughts and feelings behind them.
It won’t be helpful to resort to trying to make (reduce) Meier into a fictional character to justify your criticisms…and it certainly won’t help to try to equate him with the disinformation spewing, somewhat delusion David Icke, with his so-called “alternative explanations”.
Hey Michael, I never said that Billy Meier is a “fictional” character. However, in the Star Wars movie there may be a character resembling him. I’m not as familiar with Star Wars as with the Lord of the Rings, however I suspect that both these tales are inter-related in some subconscious or superconscious way.
Billy is Henoch and he is Nokodemion. Of this I have no doubt. But even you, Michael, mentioned that Nokodemion’s tale is like “Star Wars on steroids”. Also, we should remember that every fiction comes out of somebody’s mind and experiences, perhaps even experiences lived as another person. So I never “diss” fiction. . . it is what it is.
Top of the day to you! May you never tire of reaping the fruits of Saruman’s pantry! LOL
Hi Carolyn,
The relationship may well be in the fact that the Plejaren impulse ideas to science fiction writers at times, so the “Star Wars on steroids” reality of their history is probably part of the inspiration. See also: https://theyflyblog.com/2016/07/31/the-plejaren-revolution/
BtW, I won’t be posting more off-topic comments, such as regard the moon, etc. There may be blogs here where that could be more appropriate. Thanks for your understanding.
What? No, seriously, WTF?
Carlos, you will need to be a lot more redundant in your writing so that I may have a chance of understanding what you are think!ing!
AND verifying evidence of what I “think” are claims is mandatory if you want to be held in the same light, or is that not allowed by you. Don’t hold yourself back now.
LINKS man, LINKS to the source!
You wouldn’t be putting your, and others, opinions, into the mouths of others, would you?
Donald Trump plays his part in the happenings of this Universe, as we ALL do.
Love ya.
Hi Carlos you forgot to read the history between 1995 and present to find out why they left in 1995.
Hi, Sheila, you are mistaken because I read the material very well after 1995. I even know what Meier’s positions were at the time or shortly after and their changes over time (there is a surprising statement by Meier when it was visited in 1998 by the publisher Of the Brazilian UFO magazine, about other contacts than his, but I do not know if they are interesting or convenient to explain here). But as you, Sheila, are very fond of participating, tell yourself here or in another place what the reasons were for them to leave. There could be other considerations to post further up but the discussions are more for “Goblet of Trump” and I do not want to be meddlesome in matters of actual and general interest. If there are opportunities, I will explain it better. Have patience or search the sources, that are available. MH, i respect your oppinion the way it was put.