Scientist who writes theories and hypotheses about aliens, UFOs and the future, comes face-to-face with Billy Meier’s singularly authentic contacts and predictions
NEW VIDEO!
Two people who share a common interest approach it in two very different ways to find the true facts.
How did we do?
You decide.
See also:
US Astronaut: Billy Meier UFO Photos “Absolutely authentic”
USAF OSI Investigator Concludes Billy Meier UFO Case Real
Billy Meier UFO Case: Beyond a Reasonable Doubt
Michael, Ummm eeeek,
He talked too much, he had a jail shirt on, he waved his hands around, even more than l do and then he said,,,
“staSTistics”
I would give him a shoosh pill but he really needs an operation.
Well Michael et all, I first found out about Billy back in 1997, I read all the contact notes, books by Guido Moosbrugger, Randy Winters and I have some of the books by Billy. I even read info by people who stated the contacts and info by Billy were fake. I made after looking at the evidence that this case/contacts/info is indeed genuine and authentic. Many ufo photos are fuzzy or just a light in the sky, Billys were crystal clear and to be honest I felt comfortable with the images, like I’ve seen them before somewhere. Reading through the information it just seams honest and not forced, you either accept it or reject it, but when I applied some logic to it, it just seams the right way to think. I can’t state I remember everything from the books/contact notes but I tend to re read things when I think of things in my life or what I see in every day life around me.
Salome.
Hi Gordon. I too found Billy and the Plejarens in October 1997 and fell in love with these same values and goeals too as well. Yes to me Billy is spot on wih all the information the Plejarens have givin Billy to this late day and age and age with alkl that is happening now. I think this world is getting worse and worse and worse and we are now in an extreamly dangerious timeline if we don`t do something to put an ned to all the horrors now happening here on earth Salome from “I Love Erra!”
His talk of putting bets on the prophecies or foretold events would not really work because they always lack precise dates for good reasons and prophecy is so much about subjective realization of the truth of what is predicted that a strict scientist will never recognize them. Strict scientists effectively ban subjective realization from their decision process.
It probably would be good, however, to make a data chart of all of Billy’s foretellings and how they all turned out.
Maybe in my summer recess we might be able to start work on this Michael? I can always dream I will have time to get to it!
Chart headings could possibly be: Foretold Event; Prediction or Prophecy; Date & CR#; Occurred Y/N; Date Occurred; Not Occurred; Resolved/Changed; Yet to Occur; Explanation/Comments (e.g. corrective action taken, no details etc).
It would be a mammoth task to go through all Billy’s work to see we had everything. It might take more than a year. Would such a chart actually end up being as long as a book, even when merely mentioning key foretold points?
It might be best you email me on this chart ideaMichael.
Hi Chris,
I’ll be glad to pursue through email as well.
I think we already have the makings of/for data sets:
https://theyflyblog.com/2020/09/new-online-covid-19-test/
https://www.theyfly.com/corroboration-evidence (majority of page)
There are tons more throughout the blog and of course more still in as yet untranslated German trnascript.
Hi Michael or Melissa,
I just realized I made a mistake by replying instead of the comment please remove the reply and leave this here;
Hi Michael,
I feel that this interview was very thought engaging and a good way for us to get an analytical perspective of how this information is handled.
The Plejaren won’t and can’t give dates to us for good reasons (nature of predictions/prophecies).
He briefly touched on the financial markets because as an economist he sees measurable correlation of scientific discoveries to provable economic outcomes.
Take Lt Colonel Corso, Day before Roswell book for example where Corso is tasked to introduce advanced
technologies from captured crafts. (His book was published after he died)
There you have a case of the government using advanced non terrestrial information such as fiber optics, circuitry, kevlar etc that had an effect on society and economy.
Furthermore the government chooses information befitting their purpose and Billy’s material simply doesn’t fit the obvious world domination objectives.
Therefore the Soon No Longer United States will never publicly acknowledge his contacts. (Side note Russia is taking it seriously, reading the forums and acting on the Apophis prediction)
As Chris and you did, I also liked his data set organization across categories but we need to be aware of a diminishing point of return. It’s both a blessing and a curse that the contact and book info is so voluminous. Take Aus Dem Weltenall for example, almost nauseating with published facts to evaluate corroborations.
Its rare that an open minded discussion such as this can take place.
As anyone would be too, you can see him being overwhelmed with the information.
It would be best, if he’s keen, to have a follow up interview after the initial prediction data categorizations.
Headings could also be category (world event, cosmic, science discovery, technology?)) country of origin, cr# and line/book and page, source of info (Ptaah, Sfath, Bermunda..), corroborated by,
We start with your list of 33 corroborations, some of which contain more than one. Let’s take this to the FIGU forum and work on it there?
This is exciting!
Hi Dirk,
I think we already have the makings of/for data sets:
https://theyflyblog.com/2020/09/new-online-covid-19-test/
https://www.theyfly.com/corroboration-evidence (majority of page)
There are tons more throughout the blog and of course more still in as yet untranslated German trnascript.
I would welcome participation from people on the FIGU Forum.
Thanks.
“Side note Russia is taking it seriously, reading the forums and acting on the Apophis prediction”
…
or causally ignored Billy’s prodding not to go to war and follow the Zhirinovsky Doctrine for the re-ordering of Europe. They ‘listen’ just about as well as anyone else as far as I can see it.
Extrañado de que Michael Horn no le haya dicho a Mr. Robin Hanson que los plejarianos solo vienen a advertirnos de los peligros que nos acechan en un futuro cercano, no a presentarnos soluciones concretas y prácticas; estarían violando leyes creacionales y evolutivas si lo hacen. Esas soluciones debemos construirlas y aplicarlas nosotros, los terrícolas.
Mr. Hanson hubiera quedado un poco más interesado si MH le hubiera hablado al respecto.
Please translate your comments to English. Thanks.
https://www.deepl.com/translator
I was curious myself…here is the translation:
I am surprised that Michael Horn has not told Mr. Robin Hanson that the Plejarians only come to warn us of the dangers that lie in wait for us in the near future, not to present us with concrete and practical solutions; they would be violating creationary and evolutionary laws if they do so. Those solutions must be constructed and implemented by us earthlings.
Mr. Hanson would have been a little more interested if MH had talked to him about it.
As a scientist, Mr. Hanson should have pursued the question of the…evidence. Instead of posing more theoretical questions, and not acknowledging even when responses were offered, he should have asked about if expert analyses had been done on the evidence. He didn’t do this.
Any legitimate scientist is concerned with determining if there is verifiable evidence for any hypotheses and theories. Since there’s nothing hypothetical about Billy Meier’s evidence, its authenticity, if established, changes the entire conversation to a more elevated, scientifically-based one.
A basic problem here, Michael is Hansen is all about theory — that’s what he deals in — rather than finding “new” facts. He had plenty of facts staring him in the face but he couldn’t face them or accept their challenge.
On the whole, I think the interview went well, considering.
Maybe we should have concentrated on one or perhaps two specific areas which he would then have had to consider fully. The interview presented him with more than his specialized mind could take in.
There is an overwhelming amount of information from Billy for anyone coming to it new.
Hi Chris,
I think the problem may be that, surprisingly, Robin didn’t do any basic background research on what my work is related to. Perhaps that’s fortunate because so very few “experts” will go near the material, let alone discuss or debate it with me, once they have the slightest idea what it’s about.
Since he was so unaware, and his main/only reference points are the very deficient info being discussed about UFOs, “aliens”, etc., by the government, the usual know-nothings, and the things he fabricates in his own mind, I decided to open the flood gates a bit so as to create a clear distinction between the usual garbage, pointless imaginings, and the real truth.
We didn’t/couldn’t get to a lot of stuff. But I think it’s better to – safely – hit him with some cold water before the approaching torrent of inescapable events are upon him (all of us) also in the hope that he…will pursue and open the discussion with his colleagues in academia, the media etc.
I would again say that anyone who has managed to get all these media appearances, interviews, etc.:
https://mason.gmu.edu/~rhanson/press.html
…without knowing ANYTHING of significance or usefulness about the topic, should be ready, willing and able to welcome real evidence.
Of course this presupposes that he ISN’T more concerned with figuring out how to place bets and make a buck than, ultimately, surviving and learning.
Thank you!
I would think that a real scientist would be extremely interested with the abundance of Meier’s evidence. When I first came across the Meier material, I was so consumed by the evidence and all the implications that I couldn’t stop researching. I spent months going through everything and didn’t comment on any forums or blogs until I felt that I had a thorough grasp on the entirety of the case. Even after that, I took another whole year hiatus to think about everything. It was quite the experience to say the least. I think Mr. Hanson should become a thinking scientist above all else and contemplate the gravity of the Meier case.
SDorry for the mispled Google Tranlate:))
Mr. Hanson is not patient enough to learn from what Michael is presenting. His main concern is to put the UFO reports/alien theories into the 4 categories (with some tweaking) he created in order for his ‘story’ to make sense.
He must be overwhelmed sorting out all the things that people who are “overly enthusiastic about stuff” come up with. I gather from listening to him that he also had probably already assumed that Michael was yet another one of those people, Thus, he did not bother to do his homework before the interview and became sometimes edgy.
Creating a set of criteria and sticking to them no matter what in order to do an analysis shows a lack of genuine interest in a field. It reminds me of the cashier at the grocery store who processes the articles without paying any attention to what comes on the counter.
Unfortunately, it’s yet another consequence of overpopulation.
I will analyze the video in greater detail and send Mr. Hanson an email.
In the end the scientist is Michael. As always, things are upside down.
I just did by way of Giigle Translate. From I Love Erra Salome
Did you get a good Giigle out of your translation?
Si Michael lo a dicho. Escuche la video otra vez commenciendo los 23.06 minutos. Lo hizo en forma de pregunta.
Yes, Michael did mention it. Listen again to the video starting at time stamp 23:16. He did it through questioning.
Tengo una idea. Puede contactar al Señor Hanson aquí y explicarle en sus propias palabras: rhanson@gmu.edu, lexfridman@mit.edu
Mil gracias!
I have an idea. You can reach Mr. Hanson here and explain it to him in your own words: rhanson@gmu.edu, lexfridman@mit.edu
Thanks a bunch!
Mein Hamster ist kaputt, kann ich bitte einen anderen haben?
My hamster is broke, can I have another please.
Hi Michael,
From my prospective professor Robin Hanson seemed attentive, during the first quarter of the podcast he wanted evidence and reasoning rather than from explicit statements. Then he became overwhelmed, restless and fidgety to the point of being skeptical of the information, saying, “what do you do when you think you know something”?
Hanson’s contention of proof is, “Look for things on the financial market… prior probability, this could not be true”, according to the contrarians in other words. Use this information to make money…
Professor Hanson is an economist who studies the production and distribution of resources, goods, and services by collecting and analyzing data, trends, etc. If he cannot categorize your information in data sets, he gets overwhelmed.
The professor states, “I’m a professional economist, and I’m part of the economics community”, also stating that this is not his specialty. Nonetheless, outlining a good process that academics may listen too.
Hanson stated, “You talked about courtroom facts, saying that there isn’t a courtroom that would listen to this,…//…in other words there isn’t a process… Interesting body language, halfway through the podcast I thought that he was becoming unhinged, LOL. He did not understand the statement of, would it stand up in a courtroom. Saying that a courtroom would not listen, was not the point of your statement.
Hanson: “There are standard ways that academics would take this sort of evidence, you have to create a data set, a structured…//…what we are set up for is taking a formal dataset…//… define cases of interest…so that we can do statistics, then you might have a case here.“ Wow.
In my opinion, Robin Hanson is on your side and providing clues on how to present to academia. Then when you jump to different alleged datasets, Professor Hanson gets exasperated with the collection of unrelated sets of information, he wants it composed into separate elements but can be manipulated as a unit…
The professor’s point out that there’s financial market trades that you can make from Billy’s information if he would provide specific dates of coming events that would get people to wager on your claims, otherwise the world is going to pretty much ignore your claims… We both know that Billy nor the Plejaren will never do this.
He appears to be a C type personality; very detail-oriented who likes things that are controlled, stable, accurate, rational, and logical.
Sorry that this got so long winded. Good interview.
Regards
Ken
He pointed to the Tic-Tac as evidence, I showed him far better evidence, which he admitted was clearer, etc.
He then failed to ask if there were independent expert analyses and authentication, instead went on to other questions.
So he went from being an expert on aliens, UFOs and the universe to suddenly mainly an economist, when convenient. Scientists don’t ignore evidence, they demand substantiation.
Let’s remember he gives long interviews about “aliens”, UFOs, etc. – all without any evidence, just theories and hypotheses.
It’s pretty simple, as many actual scientific and legal experts understand.
This was another case of someone trying to make the facts conform to their beliefs.
Joe Tysk cut through all this. Hanson should read Joe’s article.
He didnt bight down on it.
Michio Kuku has a similar demeanour, too interested in voicing concepts and ideas.
An aerospace engineer would bight down harder on this.
Offer Bob Lazar the acid test, if he agrees you’ll see who he is in short order.
BTW, to anyone who may think that I “blind-sided” Robin Hanson regarding the Meier evidence, or that his fall-back to being an economics professor indicated anything less than showing that he was disingenuous and absolutely unqualified to discuss the topic, please see:
https://mason.gmu.edu/~rhanson/press.html
This is another example of someone who wants to promote the unsubstantiated/unproven theories and hypotheses they crank out in their heads, largely for self-glorification and profit, instead of taking the time to do the necessary research.
I didn’t know he had such an extensive amount of press, and on a subject he knows nothing about, as is characteristic of those who populate UFOlogy. He’s taken a hint that the topic is wide open for exploitation, especially if you have some credentials in another, unrelated field.
Oh Boy MH This Robin Henson sound like another one of thoe diingeninous not interstead in the Billy Meier UFO CR corobaeted truths on our Plejaren Fruiends, etc, Another Red Flag Dud like Micho Kaku and astronamer Neal Degrasy Tyson from the Hayden Planetatium uin New York City and Bob Lazar etc, etc. Better stick with Joe Tisk. At least Joe will lisen to you and us etc. Salome
The guy was definately a bad fit for this case but I cant say he was a bad person.
What he was trying to suggest with a data base on verified predictions was positive and it would be nice to be able to link to that.
An example would be the Apophis prediction. Do we have proof that was discussed by Billy and Quetzel in the early 2000’s?.
I dont know if the FIGU published that contact note prior to NASA actually finding Apophis
A clear table of verifiable hits would be extremely hard to disregard in an interview.
If Michael Horn or anyone can prove that Billy Meier predicted the Apophis asteroid (not a meteor) prior to Nasa’s discovery which includes the size and trajectory I’ll give $1000 to the charity of Michael’s choice.
Are you kidding me? NASA wouldn’t even acknowledge Apophis for years after Meier published it. Many FIGU people have been around the case long enough to know that Meier predicted everything that’s happening today, and it was long before there were any signs of trouble. Read the Meier material.
So demonstrate he predicted Apophis before Nasa. Any charity would love $1000.
You assume that we care about money. And before you say it’s for charity, prove that the charity uses it for what they say they do. You’ll have a harder time with that than proving the Meier case is authentic.
So forget the money then prove it because you have the facts on your side. Give me the contact report number and Billy’s comments about the asteroid including size and trajectory and then the date Nasa discovered it with their size and trajectory information.
If I may quote our friend Joe Tysk. I think he said it best.
Wording in parenthesis added:
“Of course, all this (scientific evidence) is still not good enough for the diehard skeptics. What the skeptics prefer to do, instead of looking at the best hard evidence that would support the authenticity of the UFO photos and videos, is to only zero in on what they think proves the entire Billy Meier UFO story to be a hoax.
However, any good investigator knows that when looking at evidence you look at ALL the evidence and not just what you think will make the case you want it to make. And, contrary to what many think, it’s not how much apparently incriminating evidence you have that wins the day, it’s whether or not you have even one single piece of evidence that proves your position.
…Of course, none of this will ever be enough for the die-hard skeptics. Once people take a side or stance, as they often do with politics and religion, literally nothing will change their position, no matter how strong the evidence that is presented.
I will end by saying I did not write this article with the intention it would change even a single skeptic because I know it won’t. It was simply written for those with an open mind, reasonable intelligence and a desire for the truth.”
Joe Tysk
https://theyflyblog.com/2018/01/joe-tysk-ret-usaf-osi-dept-of-defense-investigator-case-supervisor-concludes-billy-meier-ufo-case-real/
So at least you admit you can’t demonstrate that Meier predicted Apophis before Nasa.
Nice deflection btw.
Contact 150, October 10, 1981: http://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/Contact_Report_150:
Billy:
Certainly, you should know that I do that. Say once, though, while we are on this Destroyer: According to the prophecies I have received, there are other comets and also meteors of enormous size that will have an influence on the Earth and the life of this world. I am particularly interested in the ‘red Meteor’. Is this now the Destroyer, or is it another comet that keeps passing through our solar system?
This may indicate an even earlier warning we don’t know about yet. But we have 1981 as the first, so far.
We have this, from September 16, 2008, http://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/Contact_Report_471, Meier mentions the 2029 and 2036 dates:
Billy:
Maybe you have told me everything, but I only remember that you told me that only natural artefacts can still be found on Mars. Somehow there’s a hole in my memory, because I may not remember that we had spoken about that what you have said regarding the finding of the Men in Black on Mars and the removal of all human artefacts. But since we are talking about Mars, the red planet, the Red Meteor comes to my mind, of which it is written in a prophecy. I don’t know it exactly anymore, but Quetzal told me that it will enter into Earth’s orbit even if the prophecy regarding the Earth-humans’ evil machinations and wars would not be fulfilled, because the appearance of the meteor is not a prophecy, but a prediction and, therefore, a cosmic event. If I remember correctly, he said that the great danger by the meteor would threaten Earth on the 13th April 2029, while at the same time he also named a date for the year 2036.
Ptaah:
129. And what to say about Quetzal’s prediction regarding the meteor; I can only confirm his information.
November 26, 2008, documenting that Meier predicted the size that NASA subsequently changed their estimate to.:
NASA Corrects Apophis Information, Size Is almost exactly what Billy Meier Foretold
(https://theyflyblog.com/2013/01/nasa-corrects-apophis-information-size-is-almost-exactly-what-billy-meier-foretold/)
Meier also mentions the 2029 and 2036 dates when referring to the Red Meteor/Apophis by both names (http://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/Contact_Report_475).
NASA (https://solarsystem.nasa.gov/asteroids-comets-and-meteors/asteroids/apophis/in-depth/):
“Apophis is classified as an S-type, or stony-type asteroid, made up of silicate (or rocky) materials and a mixture of metallic nickel and iron. Radar images suggest it is elongated and possibly has two lobes, making it look something like a peanut. Much more will be learned about this asteroid’s structure following its close flyby of Earth in 2029.”
Why might they call it the Red Meteor? Well, according to the NASA info, it’s made up of:
“silicate (or rocky) materials and a mixture of metallic nickel and iron”
IRON. Hmmm, we really don’t know how much iron but iron has the property of reflecting RED light. When it rusts it appears RED. What might the color of an incoming object, containing sufficient iron – and attaining extremely high temperatures – appear to be? Could we guess it might be glwowing…RED?
So, what we have is Meier predicting the Red Meteor in 1981. He refers to the 2029 and 2036 dates in two subsequent contacts, where he speaks of the two objects as one in the same.
We have him predicting the size of the same referred to object BEFORE NASA, which has to CORRECT their estimate.
Do we have any examples of deliberate lies and/or incorrect information from Meier, and/or any requiring subsequently corrected information?
None that I’m aware of.
It was discovered in 2004. Anything after this date from Meier about Apophis doesn’t matter.
Contact report 150 doesn’t mention size or trajectory so this evidence would fail the beyond a reasonable doubt standard. Also, referring to an asteroid as a meteor is scientifically incorrect.
In the course of its orbit, Apophis can pass very close to the Earth. This fact quickly caught the attention of astronomers worldwide. By December 2004, they had enough data to make a rough calculation of the future orbit of the asteroid. And they found it had a 2.7% chance of hitting the Earth in April 2029, on Friday the 13th. That same month, Apophis was moved to the top of the list of potentially hazardous asteroids.
Not so and it isn’t worth discussing with you any further, for all reasons previously stated by people who have pointed out the flaws in your thinking, etc.
Joe Tysk already described and dismissed this kind of extremely superficial, skeptical thinking, which only sees what it wants to.
MH, According to the following article, a meteor glows red because of the presence of oxygen or nitrogen in the rock. Apparently, Iron glows yellow when burning up in the atmosphere: https://www.accuweather.com/en/space-news/why-do-meteors-glow-in-vibrant-colors/433610
Iron does look red-brown but also orange-brown in rock, but I think the red in ‘red meteor’ is more to do with Quetzal showing that they knew what that specific colour would mean in our future Torino scale (Certain collision) as well as the internationally recognised code red alerts at the time. The worrying thing is if they called it that because they know it will burn red in the atmosphere as that means we failed at deflecting it.
This is a good opportunity to ask everyone interested in the Apophis information to post their comments in an Apophis-themed blog, such as:
https://theyflyblog.com/2015/05/the-apophis-puzzle-the-meaning-of-red/
Or in any of the dozens of other related blogs.
You assume that I want to do your homework for you.
You should be looking this up yourself, but as you wish.
Urgent Warning; Apophis Asteroid Due In 2029 Warns Billy Meier
https://theyflyblog.com/2015/05/new-confirmation-of-billy-meiers-warnings-about-apophis/
https://www.theyfly.com/Red_Meteor.html
Contact report 150 doesn’t mention size or trajectory of Apophis and just calls it the red meteor. So this evidence would fail the beyond a reasonable doubt standard in both a courtroom and with the scientific community. Asteroids when discovered are given size and trajectory estimates. Meier provided neither in 1981. Years after the 2004 discovery Meier started mentioning the size and the trajectory of Apophis.
Not only this. Nasa also predated Meier’s recommendation to use nuclear bomb to deflect the Apophis asteroid.
More irrelevancies. Did you listen to the video and understand what Michael was explaining? It doesn’t sound like you did.
Pew Michael!
I am still working on the contacting those to spoke with Robin Hanson from his Media/Press list. It’s going to take me the whole summer to reach out to them. Listening to the podcasts and reading the articles, getting their contact info and adding the pertinent Blog links is time consuming. It takes me about 4 hours for a total of 8 podcasts/article.
Along the way I found others so that adds to the time as well.
There are a total of 900 Media articles where he is mentioned!
So many wasted words though. Poor fellows.
Wow, Brigitte, yet another monumental task you’ve taken on!
I wonder if, in any of those 900 articles, he demonstrates that he understands what…evidence is.
Keep us informed please.
https://web.archive.org/web/19970409095549/http://www.jpl.nasa.gov/galileo/io/pioio.html
…the best images of moon Io taken by Pioneer 11. Pioneer 10, the twin to Pioneer 11, did not obtain any images of Io – 1974.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Io_(moon)#Observational_history
Voyager 1 flew past Io on 5 March 1979 from a distance of 20,600 km (12,800 mi).[43] The images returned during the approach revealed a strange, multi-colored landscape devoid of impact craters.[44][45] The highest-resolution images showed a relatively young surface punctuated by oddly shaped pits, mountains taller than Mount Everest, and features resembling volcanic lava flows.
A classic case of someone who does not think outside the box; as is also the case with many other scientists who also maintain their stability in their comfort zone of their box.
Oh well another Darwin fan who will not go too far away from Albert Einstein’s theories.
He does seem to be sparring/deflecting, as in boxing with the opposition during the interview. Or… he is a Conductor in an Orchestra in his spare time, or a habit he has due to teaching.
For sure he is definitely missing out on some mind boggling science from FIGU and friends. That is; the various dimensions that exist in Creation, time travel, fluidal Energies, swinging waves and a lot more.
What would he think?.. if he discovered from the contact reports that there is a barrier between the Dern universe and the Dal universe, the history/origins of our moon, the life cycle of the universe and so on.
He does seem to be a pleasant fellow but he needs to have a little peek outside of the box.
Maybe Apophis will be his wake up call.
http://mason.gmu.edu/~rhanson/bio.html
See more at
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robin_Hanson.
A very nice interview Michael and thank you.
Salome
Let it go, people! Salome. The needless entertainment on this blog resembles the failure of a passionate gardener . . to hold to a neutral positive attitude toward the weeds in the mix.
The Meier physical evidence is compelling but it doesn’t prove extra terrestrial origin. You could not win a beyond a reasonable doubt court case demonstrating extra terrestrial origin with it.
There exists much better evidence for extra terrestrials on Mars for instance.
Michael,
If you are swayed by belief, it can be very difficult to recognize the truth. The truth can be right in front of you, but there are things that can’t be seen when people don’t want to see them. It’s as simple as that.
Humans from the future or other ancient high tech culture on the Earth for example. What’s the evidence it is extra terrestrial?
Marcel Vogel stated that, as a scientist with everything available to him, he couldn’t duplicate the metal samples.
He stated that it had to either be made by cold fusion – which we don’t have – or in the vacuum of…space. Space being extraterrestrial.
While it’s fine that you want to provoke…our memories, perhaps there are better uses of your, and everyone else’s time, than playing intellectual tennis, otherwise known as mental masturbation.
This doesn’t prove it is extra terrestrial. This could be future earthers. This could be a previous high tech culture on Earth such as Atlantis.
You have proven my case admitting metal samples still exist but no sense testing them because no scientist will say that they are extra terrestrial in origin.
It could be from Humpty Dumpty too, if that’s what you want to believe.
Your thinking is seriously flawed because the case has already been substantiated through an abundance of scientific evidence. You aren’t going to get all the answers, that was never meant to be the case.
The Red Meteor was already discussed in 1981. Everything else is irrelevant because all the future mentions of the Red Meteor are directly linked to the original mention in 1981. Only the skeptics who are trying to zero-in on toy cars and endless copyright dates will still be scratching their heads when the bombs start flying and everything is in chaos.
This will be my final comment no need to keep going.
A meteor isn’t an asteroid. The red meteor Meier referred to in contact 150 in 1981 could not have been Apophis. Neither the size nor the trajectory of this object was discussed in contact 150 in 1981.
As far as I can tell Joe Tysk didn’t demonstrate an extraterrestrial origin for the Meier case. Authentic doesn’t mean extraterrestrial. He said the ufo case is authentic not extraterrestrial.
What would be evidence of extra terrestrial? If only Mars had some.
So basically, despite Meier’s very clear statements to the contrary you’re calling him. a liar.
Of course, as previously stated, you major in mental masturbation and irrelevancies.
Coulda, woulda, shoulda, etc., etc., and you still end up with nothing…and missing the point, the message, the teaching. Kinda like the other 9 billion+ human beings on the planet.
Maybe you can console Robin Hanson, I’m sure he’d feel at home with your kind of thinking.
The evidence speaks for itself. You’ve not done your homework or thought everything through. The Meier case is without a doubt authentic and proves that Billy has been in contact with human beings from another planet. To my knowledge, there has never been another UFO case that provides evidence for extraterrestrial contact. There may be photos of real UFOs taken by other people, but no evidence that any of those people ever had contact with lifeforms from another planet. Billy on the other hand has gone beyond a shadow of a doubt and gave us more evidence than we needed to prove the case.
How did Lt. Colonel Wendelle Stevens get inside Area 51 and take photographs of a top-secret Stealth fighter jet without getting shot on the spot? And how did he know when the flight would take place? What motive would Billy have for saying he was meeting humans from planet Erra instead of saying he was meeting humans from the future? What would he gain from that when both would be equally astonishing? If you can’t debunk all the evidence in the Meier case, you can’t debunk the case. And we know that the case is ironclad, but it will continue to be attacked until all the prophecies and predictions prove to be true. The religious fanatics and brain-amputees will make sure of that.
Do you work for one of the Intelligence agencies? I’m just curious as to why you seem so dedicated to pointing out irrelevant details all the time.
You expect us to believe that wall with individual blocks is from Mars? So where’s the door then?
Abra Cadabra (waving Harry Potter like device)
Off-topic. Please return to topic.
It is on topic. I’ve presented better evidence of extraterrestrial life than anything in the Meier case. There is nothing in the Meier case that demonstrates extra terrestrial life. It is one possibility to explain the Meier case but so is:
1. Humpdy dumpty ala Melissa.
2. Earth high tech civilization hidden
3. Parallel universe
4. Another dimension
If the Plejaren are really from another star system, they would have provided Meier the opportunity to film on planet Erra. That would have been much better evidence in the mid 1970’s that the case is extraterrestrial in origin.
Oh dear. I’m afraid there’s no hope for you ever recognizing the truth.
What do you recommend for a treatment program?
Meditation, a long walk in the forest, and a small bowl of ice cream.
Asteroids become meteors upon entering the Earth’s atmosphere.
You have to read between the lines of knowns to understand that best guessing can be ruled out for Meier’s ‘red meteor’ information.
For example, we can estimate the size of an asteroid by the extent of the damage it causes, as the following 2 articles show:
https://www.businessinsider.com/asteroid-sizes-that-can-damage-cities-states-planet-2018-6#an-asteroid-the-size-of-a-20-story-building-is-bad-news-8
https://futurism.com/19943
The damage from the red meteor was described by Meier in Contact Report 150 in 1981 (first published in 1991) as splitting, “the Earth’s crust from today’s North Sea to the Black Sea” which means it couldn’t be smaller than a 20-storey building (around 80 metres), which would explode in the atmosphere and couldn’t be much larger than half a mile (about 805 metres), which would cause global destruction, and there were no space rocks threatening Earth within that size-range until Apophis was discovered in 2004, which is thirteen years after Meier’s red meteor information had been published.
Add to that the fact that a 350 metre-wide meteor only hits Earth about once every 86,500 years, according to this:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Impact_event
Also, considering that, after Apophis, the next serious threat predicted by Scientists up to this article in 2005 was for the year 2102, by which time we should have advanced sufficiently to counter these threats:
https://www.newscientist.com/article/dn8788-new-asteroid-at-top-of-earth-threat-list/
Then the likelihood of an asteroid between 80-800 metres wide being guessed at as a threat before we are sufficiently advanced technologically to counter these in the year 1981 or even the publication year of 1991 was impossibly small given that an asteroid that size only hits Earth once every 86,500 years.
I can’t believe I have to do this to prove the point but here we go.
Please follow this thought.
There are two Astronomers Humpty Dumpty and Dumpty Humpty. Both claim to discover new planet in the solar system and call it Planet Melissa. Now Humpty Dumpty on 3/1/22 says he discovered planet Melissa and refers to it as planet Melissa. Dumpty Humpty on 3/5/22 says he discovered a new planet Melissa and provides the location in space and trajectory of planet Melissa, which allows other astronomers to confirm the new planet discovery which they do.
Which astronomer would be credited with the discovery of a new planet?
“If Michael Horn or anyone can prove that Billy Meier predicted the Apophis asteroid (not a meteor) prior to Nasa’s discovery which includes the size and trajectory I’ll give $1000 to the charity of Michael’s choice.”
First, and as already pointed out, an asteroid becomes a meteor:
“A meteor is what happens when a meteoroid – a small piece of an asteroid or comet – burns up upon entering Earth’s atmosphere, creating a streak of light in the sky.”
https://spaceplace.nasa.gov/asteroid-or-meteor/en/.
So it would seem that the Plejaren were very deliberate in calling it the Red METEOR, indicating that they see it entering the Earth’s atmosphere…and impacting, unless its trajectory is changed. Time will tell who’s correct.
As far as Meier predicting Apophis, there’s no arguing with his having predicted/published his information in 1981, obviously well before 2004:
http://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/Contact_Report_150
The way he expresses it, it would appear that he was told about it previously, though we haven’t found that info yet.
In subsequent contacts, Meier affirms that he is talking about what is now called asteroid Apophis:
http://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/Contact_Report_471 September 16, 2008
http://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/Contact_Report_475 November 26, 2008
Do we have any reason to accept Meier’s information as being both accurate and initially published long before NASA?
Yes.
For instance, NASA CORRECTED their size estimate of Apophis to 325 meters wide:
“A European space telescope has captured new images of the huge asteroid Apophis, revealing that the potentially hazardous object is actually bigger than previously thought — and you have a chance to see the space rock yourself in two free webcasts tonight.”
“Today (January 09, 2013), ESA officials announced that its infrared Herschel Space Observatory has discovered that Apophis is about 1,066 feet (325 meters) wide, nearly 20 percent larger than a previous estimate of 885 feet (270 m).” (https://www.space.com/19193-asteroid-apophis-bigger-live-webcasts.html).
A further size update is now 340 meters qwide (https://www.space.com/apophis)
But Meier already had it at 350 meters on November 26, 2008. And NASA upgraded their ORIGINAL estimate by…20 percent to get the 325 meter number. While Meier has NEVER changed any information, dimensions, etc., once he’s published it/them.
Since Michael Simon is certain that Meier wasn’t referring to Apophis, what other incoming object was Meier referring to…and effectively betting his credibility on?
As for the trajectory, Meier has published the specific location that Apophis will hit if not deflected. This can probably be reverse engineered. NASA may have its own projections. And while the actual trajectory and outcome remains to be seen (hopefully not) who’s more credible, a man who first publishes what is finally “officially” determined to be the actual size (within a few meters), or those who had to change their estimate by…20%?
As for a track record of publishing – prophetically accurate – astronomical information before NASA, here’s some:
Official Contact Report 115, Thursday, October 19, 1978
Billy: …you also told me that the moon, which I designated as an enormous chicken egg, is only about 200 kilometers in length. I think it was the next moon of Jupiter, whose name I no longer remember..
Semjase: …The moon, which you’ve just mentioned, is called “Amalthea” among you. The moon Io, of which you said something, is, by the way, the most volcanically active planetary body in the solar system.
Billy: …If I am right, you explained that the volcanic eruptions there occurred by elemental power and resembled enormous explosions that hurl out their ejection material like atomic bomb mushrooms, whereby some would reach heights of up to 180 kilometers..In addition, you said that the greatest part of all ejection material falls back to the moon, as I already mentioned just now. The rest, so you explained, becomes pushed out into space, where a portion is then attracted by Jupiter and very slowly condenses itself in its ring system into a heavy formation of sulfur ions.
CORROBORATED:
Ring around Jupiter super-hot, electrified, March 3, 1979
“The Voyager 1 spacecraft, a continuing source of surprises as it speeds toward Jupiter, has startled scientists again by revealing that the enormous planet is ringed by super-hot electrified sulfur particles.”
Voyager passes Jupiter, March 3, 1979
“Voyager 1 snapped the first closeup picture of the tiny Jupiter satellite Amalthea Sunday and sped toward its morning rendezvous today with the giant planet and a tour of its four biggest moons. Amalthea, previously estimated to be 75 to 150 miles in diameter, appeared to be shaped more like and egg than a sphere.”
Volcanic Explosion on Io, March 4, 1979
“One of the most surprising discoveries of the Voyager 1 mission were the violent volcanoes of Jupiter’s moon Io. ‘This was really beyond our imagination,’ recalls Dr. Ed Stone, Voyager project scientist. It was the first time active volcanoes had been seen on another body in the solar system.”
Official Contact Report 228, Monday, May 1, 1989
Billy: On my Great Journey, when I, through Ptaah’s kindness, was allowed to observe all SOL planets and their moons at close range, it was explained to me that Triton is the coldest structure among all the planets and moons in the SOL system. At a later time, Semjase took me back to the moon Triton, where I observed an interesting phenomenon, namely that, like out of volcanoes, some steams – regular steam jets – escaped from craters of the moon’s surface and then evaporated at a higher altitude. Now, I no longer remember what Semjase explained regarding what it concerned with these steams. That’s the one; on the other hand, I noticed that the planet Neptune doesn’t only have two moons but rather several of these. If I remember correctly, I counted eight larger ones, but in addition, still some smaller structures circled through the area.
Quetzal: With the moons, it has its correctness; consequently, there is nothing further to say to that. Concerning the steams, it is to be said that it concerns evaporating nitrogen ice, which freezes out during the wintertime and then evaporates, after the Triton winter, through the irradiation of the Sun again.
CORROBORATED:
Astronomers report possible Neptune moon, May 25, 1989
“University of Arizona astronomers have discovered three billion miles from Earth what may be a third moon of the planet Neptune, scientists announced today.”
Voyager Discovers 3 More Moons Orbiting Neptune, August 4, 1989
“The Voyager 2 spacecraft has discovered three more moons orbiting Neptune although the small craft is still 21 million miles and three weeks away from its close encounter with the distant planet, the Jet Propulsion Laboratory announced Thursday.”
Triton May Be Coldest Spot in Solar System, August, 1989
“Surprising Triton, the largest moon of Neptune, appears to be the coldest place in the solar system, Voyager 2 scientists reported today.”
Active volcanoes found on Triton, August 25, 1989
“Voyager 2 pictures indicate Neptune’s strange moon Titan is dotted with active volcanoes, bizarre ice geysers fed by underground pools of liquid nitrogen that may “explode” in 20-mile-high plumes of ice and gas, scientists said Sunday.”
New moons for Neptune, January, 2003
“Astronomers have found three new moons orbiting the distant gas-giant planet Neptune.The discovery boosts the number of known satellites of the gas giant to 11.They are the first moons to be discovered orbiting Neptune since the Voyager II flyby in 1989, and the first discovered from a ground-based telescope since 1949.”
Official Contact Report 182, Thursday, February 3, 1983
Quetzal: You spoke of the ring of Neptune. According to my knowledge, I’ve never told you that even this planet has a ring.
Billy: Oh, I see; Semjase used this expression once, after which I asked her for the meaning. She then explained to me that even Neptune has a ring, like all the giant planets of the SOL system. So thus, my wisdom.
CORROBORATED:
Full ring discovered around Neptune, August, 1989
Official Contact Report 221, Wednesday, December 30, 1987
Billy: …Ptaah gave me the information when we were at Neptune ‘that on this planet, storms prevail, which reach 2,000 kilometers per hour (1242.742 mph)’.
Quetzal: Your recollection is correct.
CORROBORATED:
Neptune Winds Hit 1,500 M.P.H., December, 1989
“Scientists studying images sent back by the Voyager spacecraft last August have discovered the fastest winds in the solar system whipping around Neptune at about 1,500 miles an hour.”
Official Contact Report 182, Thursday, February 3, 1983
Billy: …what about, for example, the weathering at high altitudes, where I naturally speak of the mountains?
Quetzal: …These giant volcanic cones, however, are untouched by rain and, thus, by water erosion, but they are blown over by powerful winds that often carry with themselves fine sand and very often smooth, polished rocks. But the enormous and gigantic winds and volcanic cones aren’t just for the planet Venus because on many other planets, which are foreign to SOL system and which are far larger than Venus, even more enormous volcanoes, mountains, and winds prevail.
CORROBORATED:
Spacecraft discovers desert on Venus’ surface, October, 1990
“The Magellan spacecraft’s radar pictures revealed sand dunes on cloud-covering Venus, a surprising discovery because Venus has slow wind speeds and very little loose sediment, a scientist said Wednesday.”
Official Contact Report 228, Monday, May 1, 1989
Quetzal: …there are yet two different belts on the other side of the orbit of Pluto, in which comets and wandering planets move, a great number of which penetrate into the inner solar system at regular, periodic – albeit sporadic – intervals. Thereby diverse ones of these can also sporadically endanger the solar planets, which, again and again, at greater intervals in time, also leads to comets actually impacting with planets.
Billy: Can you please explain somewhat more about that?
Quetzal: The first belt – a zone – is located up to more than 150,000 astronomical units from the Sun…All other objects outside the orbit of Pluto already belong to the zone of the first belt
CORROBORATED:
Discovery of the candidate Kuiper belt object 1992 QB1, August, 1992
“..Here we report the discovery of a new object, 1992 QB1, moving beyond the orbit of Neptune. We suggest that this may represent the first detection of a member of the Kuiper belt, the hypothesized population of objects beyond Neptune and a possible source of the short-period comets.”
Official Contact Report 150, Saturday, October 10, 1981
Billy: …Like the asteroid belt beyond the orbit of Mars, this belt also moves around the Sun but very far outside of Pluto’s orbit…you explained that this material belt consists of the remains of the formation of the solar system and of immigrated materials from space, etc. Now, I wonder how high the percentage of comets is that appears in our solar system and that arises from this material belt beyond Pluto’s orbit.
Quetzal: …about 97% of the SOL system comets arise from this belt..while others fly out far from the Sun into free space in order to disappear somewhere in the vastness of the universe, often also as migrant dark planets, which will partly be captured again by bigger celestial bodies as satellites and then orbit them, far away from these new mother stars. But others will rush uncontrollably as dark migrant objects through space.
Billy: Then only around 3% of all comets in the SOL system stem from outside of it and from somewhere in space…But tell me now: Halley’s Comet and the comet Roland, for example, those come as projectiles from deep space, right?
Quetzal: That is also correct. They belong to the 3% of foreign-system comets.
CORROBORATED:
Halley’s Comet and Others May Be Stolen Goods, June, 2010
“Famous comets such as Halley, Hale-Bopp and McNaught may have formed around other stars and been snatched into orbit around the sun back when it was packed closely with hundreds of other stars, according to new simulations.”
fficial Contact Report 29, Monday, July 7, 1975
Semjase: The Destroyer…disturbing the harmony was forced by the gravity of the greater of the greater planets and the sun into a course between Earth and Mercury and was unable to leave the system….circles since then around the sun and is called by the Earth humans “VENUS”…By the gravity of the Earth, the rotation of Venus was slowed down and it started rotating in the opposite direction…By the gravity of Earth VENUS was robbed in its flight 3,453 years ago of its own rotational energy…
CORROBORATED:
Are Venus and Earth in a long-distance relationship?, March 16, 2010
“..Our planet could be tugging on the core of Venus, exerting control over its spin. Whenever Venus and Earth arrive at the closest point in their orbits, Venus always presents the same face to us. This could mean that Earth’s gravity is tugging subtly on Venus, affecting its rotation rate…..Earth could still be pulling on Venus by controlling its core, according to calculations by Gerard Caudal of the University of Versailles-Saint Quentin, France.”
Official Contact Report 66, Wednesday, November 10, 1976
Billy: …Mercury is still another problem for me. Just 2 days ago, i remembered this again. When in last year (1975) we flew around this cluster, then you told me, it would still more contract itself. Why does this happen?
Semjase: The metal core of the planet has such a large specific mass, that the outer skin, that is, the outer stratum, contract constantly inwards, by which fact the outer spheres become extremely compact.
CORROBORATED:
Mercury: The incredible shrinking planet, July, 2008
“The solar system’s smallest planet has been shrinking at an unexpected rate…pictures of Mercury’s surface taken with NASA’s Messenger spacecraft “confirm” that the crust appears to have buckled. In fact, the planet seems to have shrunk more than previously thought – and may still be shrinking.”
Official Contact Report 115, Thursday, October 19, 1978
Billy: …Well then, my question is this: your official details about the number of Jupiter’s moons aren’t right because they only correspond to a part of the truth. To my knowledge, this giant planet has 17 larger moons and several smaller ones, as I learned from Ptaah during the Great Journey.
Semjase: That’s right, but for certain reasons, that may not become known on the Earth before the month of September, 1979; after that, this fact will then no longer play a role. By the way, at least two other moons of the planet will be discovered by the American scientists in the course of their evaluations of Jupiter’s images.
Official Contact Report 150, Saturday, October 10, 1981
Billy: …As is known to you, the American space probe, Voyager, travels past Saturn and sends recorded images to Earth. This will give the scientists large eyes once more, as was already the case with Jupiter, because inevitably, they will have to recognize once more from the recordings, that also around this not-matured dwarf sun more satellites orbit than what was previously assumed. To my knowledge, it has been argued until now that Saturn only has its 10 or 12 moons; although, it is true that there are 29, if I omit the Adoniden. Now, it would interest me whether all these moons will be discovered by the picture transmissions of probes, etc.?
Quetzal: …It will be so – and still more. As you already could conclude by yourself on your great voyage, at the place and location, there revolve around Saturn 29 moons that are actually to be beholded as such. These are expected to be discovered in their entire number in approximately up to 25 years by probes and by telescopes. But in truth, there aren’t anymore so many that can still be discovered up to this number because since your journey to Saturn, the Earth scientists have discovered a few more moons, but which apparently slipped past you during the last few years. After the discovery of the moons around Jupiter, scientists now reckon that they will also still find some undiscovered satellites around Saturn, but nevertheless, there will still be a surprise for them.
CORROBORATED:
14th Jupiter moon discovered, October, 1979
Voyager spots 15th moon near Jupiter, May, 1980
16th moon of Jupiter discovered, September, 1980
Moons of Jupiter
10 additional moons discovered around Jupiter, 2001
Researcher Finds New Moon Around Saturn, 1990
Moons of Saturn
Official Contact Report 182, Thursday, February 3, 1983
Billy: Is there anything else special in relation to the planets and such? Are there, perhaps, cosmic events that are worth knowing?
Quetzal: Certainly, but the event will first report itself in the year 1991.From the depths of interstellar space, a dense and immense cloud of fine matter will approach, which will have penetrated so far into the SOL system by about the middle of the month of February that it will then be located halfway between the planets Saturn and Uranus. A fact that actually wouldn’t be noticed by the earthly astronomers if they wouldn’t pursue the path of Halley’s Comet, which will be located in the northern part of the constellation Hydra at that time. These observations will most likely lead to the fact that a tremendous change in the fluorescent ratio of the comet will appear because it will penetrate into this cloud of interstellar dust and then cross it, which will naturally have as a consequence that powerful frictional forces will develop, which will allow the comet to light up 346 times more strongly than what is the case in its normal state.
CORROBORATED:
Dust Cloud Erupts on Halley’s Comet, March, 1991
“Five years after a much-heralded pass near Earth, an immense dust cloud has erupted from Halley’s comet, making it hundreds of times brighter…The brightening was first detected on Feb. 12 by two Belgian astronomers, Olivier Hainaut and Alain Smette, who were scanning the heavens from the European Southern Observatory in Chile. They found that the cloud had increased the comet’s brightness nearly 300 times above what it was supposed to be.”
Official Contact Report 69, Friday, December 10, 1976*
Billy: …how does such a galaxial center form itself? Such a central sun, I mean, from which a galaxy is generated.
Semjase: This is very easy, namely by unmeasurable lots of accumulations of the driving everywhere in the universe gas-atoms, which grow to heaps, alternate and change themselves, and this way heat one another in the run of time and condense, and finally be propelled by the heat to the coldness of space, where they begin to rotate and condense still more.
Official Contact Report 218, Saturday, May 30, 1987
Quetzal: …In every galaxy, a black hole exists at its center …this compressed matter, of course, also generates a powerful gravitational field, by which tremendous masses of matter are attracted and drawn into the “black hole,” i.e. into the compression-body, by what means this slowly but steadily grows and becomes larger. This growing, of course, also means that the gravitational field continues to become stronger and further-reaching. In your galaxy, which you call the Milky Way, the gravitational field extends far beyond 100,000 light-years in diameter. From this, it can also be recognized that a galaxy first emerges from an existing “black hole”. Through its gravitational field, it draws, i.e. tears, very far-off nebulae, gases, dust particles, suns, and planets, as well as meteors, comets, and asteroids, etc. into its spell, and then, everything within many light-years of distance begins to rotate around this “black hole,” from which a galaxy is ultimately formed, whose entire mass rotates at tremendous speed – in a bar-shaped, spiral-shaped, or any other form – around the center, even around the “black hole”.
Official Contact Report 236, Thursday, April 26, 1990
Billy: …black holes draw in all kinds of matter that are attainable for them, along with tremendous amounts of information. Nevertheless, all the matter and information can’t be completely imprisoned in a black hole but will be partially ejected again, from which new stars, etc. then develop. And if I remember correctly, black holes eventually explode again, from which then – through the tremendous forces, energies, and masses of matter – new galaxies originate. You also said, when I asked about it once, that other dimensions couldn’t be penetrated and time traveling couldn’t be carried out through black holes. Is this right as such?
Ptaah: Yes, your explanation is correct.
CORROBORATED:
Black Holes found at the center of all galaxies, July, 1987
“The discoveries, based on observations from the 200-inch telescope at the Palomar Observatory in California and on complex computer calculations, strongly suggest that such supermassive black holes collapsed stars may be ubiquitous, forming the hearts of virtually all galaxies.”
Black holes may not be so rare, 1997
“An international team of astronomers that conducted the black hole search said the findings suggest these results: Supermassive black holes are common, dwelling in the center of nearly every large galaxy, including the Milky Way. The mass of a black hole is proportional to the host galaxy. The larger the galaxy, the more massive black hole.”
Good News From Big Bad Black Holes, January, 2005
“Astronomers have discovered how ominous black holes can create life in the form of new stars, proving that jet-induced star formation may have played an important role in the formation of galaxies in the early universe.”
Black holes grew up before galaxies, January, 2009
“Four galaxies in the early universe have been found that violate a previously observed relationship between the mass of a galaxy and that of the colossal black hole at its centre. The find suggests that supermassive black holes may have matured long before the galaxies that surround them instead of growing in lockstep with each other.”
Black Hole Caught Zapping Galaxy Into Existence?, November, 2009
“Which come first, the supermassive black holes that frantically devour matter or the enormous galaxies where they reside? A brand new scenario has emerged from a recent set of outstanding observations of a black hole without a home: black holes may be “building” their own host galaxy. This could be the long-sought missing link to understanding why the masses of black holes are larger in galaxies that contain more stars.”
Hole’s on First?: New Evidence Shows Black Hole Growth Preceding Galactic Formation, 2011
“The co-evolution of black holes, almost unfathomable in their bulk, and the even more massive galaxies that host them remains poorly understood—a kind of chicken-and-egg problem on mammoth scales. Do black holes, such as the lunker in our own Milky Way Galaxy, which contains the mass of four million suns (that’s about eight undecillion, or 8 x 10^36 kilograms), drive the evolution of galaxies around them; or do galaxies naturally nurture the gravitational gobblers at their centers; or perhaps do they come into being together, as a matched pair? A serendipitous discovery in a relatively close-by dwarf galaxy may help answer that question.”
Official Contact Report 223, Sunday, May 1, 1988
Billy: …And since we’re already at it, I would like to come to speak again on the black hole of our Milky Way, of which we spoke – if I remember correctly – on the 30th of May, 1987. By its attractive force, we don’t simply fly with our SOL system uncontrollably out into space but rather are somehow still held within the Milky Way. There are, indeed, black holes in every galaxy, as you explained, which Semjase and Ptaah already said, but in addition to these, there are still the “black wanderers,” as you call those kinds of black holes that drift through the cosmos. Ptaah also said that in this regard, there would be two types, precisely the black holes that drift wildly through the Universe and then the others that are galaxy-bound and, thus, draw a certain course in or through a galaxy and its surroundings… I would now like to ask if also with or in our galaxy, such a “wandering black hole” exists, a “galaxy-wandering black hole,“ so to speak, if I may name this thing in such a way?
Quetzal: …Yes, there actually is such a “black wanderer” or “wandering black hole” in the realm of your galaxy. Nevertheless, it is a smaller structure than what the actual central black hole of the Milky Way is. But still, it is very remarkable and draws an extensive course through the galaxy, and to be sure, at around 6,400 light years of distance from the actual center of the Milky Way. In addition to this “black wanderer”, there are still some other wandering black holes in the nearer and further surroundings of the galaxy.
CORROBORATED:
Hundreds of “Rogue” Black Holes May Roam Milky Way, January, 2008
“Newly merged black holes might be so jarred by the experience that they go “rogue”, careening into space on unexpected trajectories. In fact, hundreds of these rogue black holes could exist in the Milky Way galaxy alone, according to a new study.”
Rogue Black Holes May Roam the Milky Way, April, 2009
“It sounds like the plot of a sci-fi movie: rogue black holes roaming our galaxy, threatening to swallow anything that gets too close. In fact, new calculations by Ryan O’Leary and Avi Loeb (Harvard-Smithsonian Center for Astrophysics) suggest that hundreds of massive black holes, left over from the galaxy-building days of the early universe, may wander the Milky Way…travelling the Milky Way’s outskirts…”
Official Contact Report 224, Thursday, July 7, 1988
Billy: On my Great Journey, I was with Ptaah and Semjase in a galaxy about 10 million light years away from the Earth, which was named to me as Centaurus A. In addition, if I remember correctly, this should be the next active galaxy from the SOL system. In its center is a tremendously massive black hole, about which I have, unfortunately, forgotten what Ptaah explained, in terms of the solar masses that exist in this structure, whereby solar masses are calculated in accordance with our SOL. Do you know anything about this?
Quetzal: …The center of the GALAXY Centaurus A, as it will be designated in earthly astronomy, actually consists of a super-massive black hole, which has a size or attractive force of 1.35 billion solar masses.
CORROBORATED:
A Supermassive Black Hole in a Nearby Galaxy, March, 2001
“The nearby galaxy Centaurus A harbours a supermassive black hole at its centre …they conclude that the most conservative explanation for the dark, central mass concentration observed in Centaurus A is indeed a supermassive black hole… This discovery confirms the previous suspicion that the active nucleus of Centaurus A is powered by a supermassive black hole.”
Official Contact Report 224, Thursday, July 7, 1988
Billy: …And how does it stand, actually, with the black hole that rushes through the region at about 6 to 7 thousand light years away from our SOL System, or more precisely, outside of this in the outer spiral area? This is, indeed, a wanderer that arose from an enormous collapsed sun. Did this wanderer arise in our galaxy or outside of it?
Quetzal: …The black hole that moves as a wanderer through space, far beyond your SOL system at about 6,000 light years of distance, does actually come from a large star formation of your galaxy and, thus, is not a foreign object from a foreign galaxy.
CORROBORATED:
Black hole’s wild ride, September, 2001
“Astronomers have discovered an ancient black hole speeding through the Sun’s galactic neighbourhood..It is believed that the black hole is the remnant of a massive star that lived out its brief life billions of years ago and was then gravitationally kicked from its home star cluster to wander the Milky Way…The object, called XTE J1118+480, was discovered by the Rossi X-ray satellite on 29 March, 2000. Later observations with optical and radio telescopes showed that it is about 6,000 light-years from Earth.”
Official Contact Report 224, Thursday, July 7, 1988
Billy: …Ptaah said that every black hole is constituted in accordance with a galaxy, which probably means that a black hole is given in accordance with the size of the galaxy. Thus, a small galaxy would have a smaller black hole, and a larger galaxy would have a larger one.
Quetzal: That is correct. The mightier a galaxy is, the more massive and more extensive is the black hole. Black holes – even the non-galactic ones – don’t arise from scratch, however, because they only grow and develop together with the surrounding matter, so in one case, together with the galaxy, and in the other case, when rogue solar structures collapse and then move through the cosmos as wandering black holes, if I may so explain it.
CORROBORATED:
Galaxies and black holes grow together, July, 2003
“Galaxies and their central black holes grow at the same rate, astronomers have found. The discovery lays to rest the long-standing debate about which came first.”
Official Contact Report 224, Thursday, July 7, 1988
Billy: It’s also likely that the magnetic bands of the black holes, in accordance with their enormousness, rush out up to several million light years into space, like even with certain black holes’ suction arms that fish several light years through space and tear matter into themselves, and indeed, even loose surface material of planets, as this happened with Venus via the spiral arm of the wandering black hole that moved through M87.
CORROBORATED:
Black holes attract matter through magnetic fields, June 22, 2006
“The power of black holes to devour matter and light derives partly from magnetism, a new study shows.”
Official Contact Report 59, Thursday, July 8, 1976
Meier: Well – then your earlier answer does not exclude (the possibility) that any other life of floric or faunic form can exist there, or even does exist. You then told (me) expressly, that life does not exist there, while logically you had addressed only the human planetary life. What do you think now, Will the Americans discover low forms of life with their sonde sent to Mars?
Semjase: They will meet with surprises in many respects, as in the fact that Mars has much more water than earthly science had assumed until now. But there are also surprises in the character of the ground and the nature of the microworld. The floric and faunic world can absolutely be found on Mars when the scientific instruments of these sondes are well enough to evaluate and store the concerned results?
Meier: Then “life on Mars” could prove true for our science?
Semjase: It is in the compass of possibility, that the analyses could verify this, when the scientific instruments are good enough, because faunic and floric forms of life are existing on Mars, even though this “planet destroys other forms of life” by its contrary to life nature.
Official Contact Report 210, Wednesday, June 11, 1986
Billy: While visiting Mars, Ptaah explained to me that Mars had larger amounts of water led into its rivers, which are now partially filled-in by dust and volcanic ash, than what was ever the case or what is still the case with the largest rivers on Earth. In addition, he talked about thousand-fold more water than what is found in the largest rivers on Earth. That seems to be somewhat fantastic to me, which is why I think that I misheard or didn’t listen properly.
Quetzal: You shouldn’t doubt your attention because you properly understood everything that Ptaah explained to you. The information about the enormous quantities of water, which were led into the Martian rivers, corresponds to the facts, as well as the watercourses that are partially filled-in by sand, dust, and volcanic ash, which are generally called “canals” on Earth, but which were truly enormous rivers that were dozens and even almost a hundred kilometers in diameter and that were thousands of kilometers in length.
Official Contact Report 219, Tuesday, June 16, 1987
Billy: Then we can still exercise some patience. Let’s talk about something else. Although we’ve already talked about this several times, I would like a specific answer from you. As Ptaah said and showed to me, there is a lot of water on and also under the surface Mars in the form of ice, mostly very close to the surface of Mars, whereby the South Pole is of special importance in this regard. As Ptaah explained, however, not all ice consists of water but also of other materials. Now, the question about this is whether you have foresight as to whether this water can one day be used by the Earth people, once they eventually colonize Mars and can, so to speak, bring it back to life. And in the coming time, will the fact of the presence of the enormous canyons and black sand dunes and water on Mars be discovered by probes, if such should be sent to the Red Planet and reach this at all?
Quetzal: That will be the case several times in the coming time in reference to the water, namely that large occurrences of water in the form of ice and snow can be proven by probes on Mars. But the final certainty will first be attained at the beginning of the third millennium, and to be sure, by a Mars probe that will be called “2001 Mars Odyssey,” as our look into the future has revealed.
CORROBORATED:
Scientists Find Largest Flood Channels in the Solar System, August, 2001
“Scientists may have discovered the largest flood channels in the solar system on Mars where a system of gigantic ancient valleys, some as much as 200 kilometers wide, lies partly buried under a veneer of volcanic lava flows, ash fall and wind-blown dust in Mars’ western hemisphere…The best explanation is that they were formed by catastrophic floods that at their peak potentially discharged as much as 50,000 times the flow of the Amazon River, Earth’s largest river, Dohm said… At sustained peak discharge rates, floods through the valleys would have filled a large ocean (96 million cubic kilometers) hypothesized for northern Mars in about 8 weeks, and a smaller ocean (14 million cubic kilometers) in the same region in about 8 days, according to the scientists’ calculations. The large ocean is equivalent to about a third the volume of the Indian Ocean, or more than three times the volume of the Mediterranean Sea, Caribbean Sea, South China Sea and Arctic Ocean combined. The smaller ocean is equal in volume to the Arctic Ocean.”
2001 Mars Odyssey
Mars Odyssey detects evidence of water ice, March, 2002
“In its first major discovery since entering orbit, NASA’s Mars Odyssey spacecraft has detected evidence of extensive amounts of water ice below the surface of the Red Planet, scientists announced Friday.”
Mars’ South Pole Ice Deep and Wide, March, 2007
“New measurements of Mars’ south polar region indicate extensive frozen water. The polar region contains enough frozen water to cover the whole planet in a liquid layer approximately 11 meters (36 feet) deep.”
NASA Phoenix Mars Lander Confirms Frozen Water, June, 2008
“By melting icy soil in one of its lab instruments, the robot confirmed the presence of frozen water lurking below the Martian permafrost. Until now, evidence of ice in Mars’ north pole region has been largely circumstantial.”
UFO Skeptics Throw in the Towel – How Did Meier Beat NASA by 32 Years?, August 4, 2008
Scientists: Martian Soil May Contain Detrimental Substance, November, 2008
“NASA’s Phoenix spacecraft has detected the presence of a chemically reactive salt in the Martian soil, a finding that if confirmed could make it less friendly to potential life than once believed.”
The Red Planet was once blue… Giant ocean once covered third of Mars, November, 2009
“The area in blue shows where the ocean would have been. The yellow, red and green belt below it is where scientists found the valleys. They believe these were caused by water running from the south towards the ocean in the north.”
‘It’s 99% certain there is life on Mars’: Shock finding as scientists re-analyse soil samples from Seventies Viking lander, April, 2012
“In July 1976, the Viking 1 probe touched down on Mars and failed to find traces of life – but now, three decades later, scientists think the experiment was flawed.”
Official Contact Report 223, Sunday, May 1, 1988
Billy: …a question was given to me, which you can surely also answer for me, without violating a secrecy order that you might have to note. The climate changes on Mars, of which Ptaah has told me, to what origin do these trace back?
Quetzal: On the one hand, the orbit around the Sun plays a decisive role, but on the other hand, there is also a striking correlation in terms of the astronomical behavior as well as the enormous polar ice caps.
CORROBORATED:
NASA’s Mars Global Surveyor Sees Possible Climate Change on Mars, December 6, 2001
“The planet Mars we know today is a cold, dry, desert world, but suppose the Martian climate is changing even now, year to year and decade to decade? New observations by NASA’s Mars Global Surveyor spacecraft are expanding understanding of the Martian climate and may indicate the climate is changing significantly even today.”
Comet Swift-Tuttle, dinosaur-killer asteroid, Toutatis asteroid & other: Existentes Leben im Universum (pages 180-183, 1978/1993)
Billy: …a comet with the name “Swift Tuttle” …should come into a collision course with Earth during the years 2125-2128 and threaten the Earth during this time period. The exact year and month for this event unfortunately have not been mentioned by the Plejaren, yet these figures might be calculated quite well by Earth scientists when they, as predicted, will discover the comets at the start of the 90s.
The first comet of this system was several times larger in diameter measuring 11,300 meters, as declared by the Plejarans. It follows that around 66 million years ago, the giant entered into the direct orbit of Earth and plunged down into it, specifically in the still young and shallow Atlantic. The impact tore a crater around 200 kilometers in diameter and about 1,500 meters deep in the ocean floor…reason the dinosaurs died out on the Earth…The planetary temperature rise and subsequent temperature plunge was not the only aftermath of this catastrophe. The masses of steam and the dust and soot particles, which circulated in the atmosphere, grossly reduced the solar radiation and effected a global, incessant night and darkness lasting 342 years. These spoken of events were the reason the dinosaurs died out on the Earth as well as all animal life that weighed more than 36 Kilos (75 lbs.).
It..might enter into the Earth’s region around the month of September, 2004, whereby a definite threat will be present that must be taken seriously, because, as the Plejaren state, the likelihood of a collision course exists…..at the end of the 80s or in the beginning of the 90s, it should become discovered, after which it will receive the name of “Toutatis” by Earth people, in all probability, as the Plejaren state.
CORROBORATED:
Extraterrestrial Cause for the Cretaceous-Tertiary Extinction, 1980
“Four different independent estimates of the diameter of the asteroid give values that lie in the range 10 ± 4 kilometers. Grieve also estimates that the diameter of the crater formed by the impact of a 10-km asteroid would be about 200 km.”
Dinosaur-Killer asteroid may have hit near Mexico, 1990
“Scientists think they found the smoking gun to show that asteroids wiped out the dinosaurs: a 110-mile wide crater (~177 kms) in Mexico possibly gouged by a mountain-size rock smashing to Earth.”
Collision in year 2126, October, 1992
“It’s a snowball’s chance, but a newly sighted comet named Swift-Tuttle could collide with Earth on August 14, 2126, according to a circular issued by the International Astronomical Union (IAU).”
Radar photos provide look at near-Earth asteroid, 1993
“The radar pictures show Toutatis comprises two big chunks of rock, probably held in contact by gravity…It’s the most irregularly shaped object we’ve yet seen in the solar system.”
Dark days doomed dinosaurs, say Purdue scientists, 2004
“This is the first time anyone has found a fossil record indicating the Earth cooled significantly at that time… It is likely that the object that struck the Earth hurled huge quantities of sulfate aerosols high into the atmosphere, which darkened and cooled the planet’s surface for several years afterward.”
A Theory Set in Stone: An Asteroid Killed the Dinosaurs, After All, 2010
“Other possible causes, such as volcanism and smaller, multiple asteroid strikes, never actually went away, and over the years researchers raised important points that did not fully jibe with a history-changing celestial impact near the Yucatan peninsula one awful day some 65.5 million years ago. A group of 41 researchers have pored over the evidence and decided that—in accordance with the original postulate put forth 30 years ago by a team led by father and son researchers Luis and Walter Alvarez—it was, indeed, a massive asteroid that slammed into Earth, creating Chicxulub Crater on Mexico’s Gulf Coast, that killed off many of the species on the planet, including the non-avian dinosaurs. …The final crater that formed after the initial impact was about 180 kilometers across and 2 kilometers deep…”
Asteroid 4179 Toutatis
“Asteroid 4179 Toutatis (formerly 1989 AC) was discovered by C. Pollas on January 4, 1989, at Caussols, France…The September 29, 2004, approach is the closest in this century of any known asteroid at least as large as Toutatis.”
Official Contact Report 214, Tuesday, February 3, 1987
Billy: …So that was it. Well then: on my great journey, it was shown to me by Ptaah, at a little more than 50 million light years away from the SOL system, a galaxy, in whose center an enormously gigantic explosion allowed everything to shake. I have told an engineer, Reiz, about this, but I no longer remember the name of the galaxy.
Quetzal: Semjase told me about that. The name of the galaxy? We call it GLOBALUNG. Also on Earth, it will become well-known among the people, but only around the turn of the millennium; however, it will already be well-known to astronomers prior to this. Their designation for it will be NGC 4636.
CORROBORATED:
Hot Galactic Arms Point To Vicious Cycle, December 19, 2001
“NASA’s Chandra X-ray Observatory has revealed the aftermath of a titanic explosion that wracked the elliptical galaxy known as NGC 4636.This eruption could be the latest episode in a cycle of violence that is triggered by gas falling into a central massive black hole.”
Official Contact Report 214, Tuesday, February 3, 1987
Quetzal: …end of the first and at the beginning of the second year of the new millennium, an asteroid the size of a few hundred meters, which will still be unknown to the earthly scientists until then, will cross Earth’s orbit at a distance of a little more than half a million kilometers away (>500,000 Kms)
CORROBORATED:
Phew. That was close. Sort of …, January 12, 2002
“…YB5 was originally predicted to pass by 600,000 kilometres away, but the closest it came was roughly 830,000 kilometres, a length that was metaphorically translated as more than twice the distance from Earth to the moon..”
Official Contact Report 216, Monday, March 16, 1987
Billy: …Moreover, Ptaah showed me that there is also a Sun-ring system, as this is also the case for several of the planets in a different form. At the same time, I also saw that in this ring system, as it was called by Ptaah, a certain number of satellites also romped around, but everything wasn’t comparable to Saturn’s ring system, whose actual moons didn’t circulate in the ring system itself, as this is the case for the satellites of theSun’s ring system…
Quetzal: …One could also say to your comment about the ring system of the Sun that it is a veil ring, or more precisely, a veil ring system, which consists of fine and very fine particles and also small and large chunks of various sizes, or even satellites, as you call them.
CORROBORATED:
ESA scientist discovers a way to shortlist stars that might have planets, February, 2002
“Markus Landgraf of the European Space Agency and colleagues (*) have found the first direct evidence that a bright disc of dust surrounds our Solar System, starting beyond the orbit of Saturn.”
Official Contact Report 218, Saturday, May 30, 1987
Billy: …Before the end of the seventies, there was talk – with you, Semjase, and Ptaah – about the fact that in almost 1,000 years, a great danger from space will threaten the Earth. If I remember everything correctly, you spoke of a large meteor or asteroid or of a comet. Yet also in this respect, I am no longer familiar with everything, which is why I would be grateful to you if you could give me some details about this danger again…..
Quetzal: …Our talk was about an asteroid. If the conditions relating to the orbit of the asteroid change, then in nearly 1,000 years – more exactly said, in exactly 893 years, in mid-March of the year 2880 – this could come very close to the Earth or even endanger it through an impact or through a too-close flyby. In any case, this asteroid, which was already discovered by terrestrial astronomers in 1950 and which received the designation 1950 DA, will at least come in very dangerous proximity to the Earth, namely within the orbit of the Moon, at a distance to Earth of about 260,000 to 300,000 kilometers. However, by the year 2880, the technological capabilities developed by the Earth people will be able to counteract the threatening catastrophe, namely in the form that the asteroid, which is a little more than 1,000 meters in diameter, can be forced away from its Earth-endangering course.
CORROBORATED:
Is a Large Asteroid Headed for Impact With Earth in 2880?, April 4, 2002
“Scientists have identified a thousand-yard-wide (one-kilometer-wide) asteroid that may be heading for a collision with Earth—878 years from now. Using radar and optical measurements made over the past 51 years, researchers have calculated that there is up to a one-in-300 possibility that Asteroid 1950 DA will slam into Earth on March 16, 2880.”
Official Contact Report 219, Tuesday, June 16, 1987
Billy: …But now, two questions about the colors of the Universe: you surely remember Professor Janowski, the astrophysicist; we’ve already discussed a question of his once; he asked: what original color did the material Universe, i.e. the material Creation Belt, exhibit….
Quetzal: …During the formation of the Universe, the greatest brightness was given: A beaming, bright, white Zohar-light that resulted from the Big Bang explosion. Then came the blue phase of the galaxies development and stars development, etc., from which the material form of the present Universe developed, which exhibits a beige color.
CORROBORATED:
The Universe is not turquoise – it’s beige, March 7, 2002
“In January, the true colour of the Universe was declared as somewhere between pale turquoise and aquamarine, by Ivan Baldry and Karl Glazebrook at Johns Hopkins University in Baltimore Maryland…Glazebrook now says the true colour this data gives is closer to beige.”
Official Contact Report 220, Wednesday, December 2, 1987
Billy: …I still have a question regarding neutron stars, which exhibit the greatest density in matter, as our scientists say. A thimble full of such a neutron star should weigh, as they say, about a billion tons. I would like to ask whether they haven’t made a mistake in the weight, for I find a billion tons somewhat steep.
Quetzal: Nevertheless, it is correct. However, it is to be rectified that neutron stars do not exhibit the densest and heaviest mass but rather other objects in the material Universe. The matter of these tremendously heavier objects is also of a different kind than what is known to the earthly physical scientists and astrophysical scientists as well as astrophysical chemists.
Billy: Aha, and what do you call these objects, and at the same time, does it concern stars?
Quetzal: The second part of your question is to be affirmed in the way that, as a rule, it concerns former stars, so collapsed solar structures. But still, such objects also exist in the form of still active suns.
CORROBORATED:
Stars may have collapsed into form of matter never seen before, April 15, 2002
Official Contact Report 222, Wednesday, February 3, 1988
Billy: But now, a few more things still come to my mind, which I would like to ask you: as it follows from your explanations, life on Earth originated in the water, whereby it then developed in the shore sand of the waters. This is in complete contrast to the claims of the earthly scientists, whose explanations purport that life had developed from the so-called primordial soup. If I still remember correctly – completely in accordance with your information – life is to have originated in the fresh waters of the Earth. Seas, however, are very salty – at least here on Earth – whereby the highly sensitive genetic material and outer covers of the first organisms would have probably been destroyed because saltwater is extremely aggressive, and the life forms that emerged first were still highly susceptible to such influences. So I ask myself, what type of water was given then, in which life could evolve, before it could also find its way in saltwater at a later time?
Quetzal: The saltwater of primeval times was actually very aggressive in the primordial seas and contained values that were twice and three times as high as those of the current salt concentrations in the earthly seas. Thus, life also did not originate in these salty primordial seas which were also partly strong in potassium but rather in smaller and larger land waters, in small and large ponds, as well as in small or larger lakes, which consisted of fresh water that arose from torrential rains.
CORROBORATED:
Ponds, not oceans, the cradle of life, May, 2002
“The cherished assumption that life emerged in the oceans has been thrown into doubt.New research shows that primitive cellular membranes assemble more easily in freshwater than in salt water. Geologist L. Paul Knauth of Arizona State University points out that Earth’s early oceans were 1.5 to 2 times as salty as they are today, making it even more unlikely that viable cells could have arisen there.”
Now, so we don’t lose sight of your challenge, and while I can add more to the above, assuming that the (great majority of what’s) above is correct (based on the best info obtainned from internet searches at the time), we have an obvious preponderance of correct information favoring…Meier.
I assume Michael Simon will want to go through each of the above items and then present any errors. But quite obviously – based on only the Jupiter/Io information alone – there is no other conceivable way for a man to know previously undiscovered, accurate information – about astronimical information – months, years and decades in advance of “official discovery”.
I take Michael Simon’s challenge seriously, as I assume he does. His credibility, integrity and reputation – as well as his presence on this blog – rest on his either credibly refuting all of the above examples, proving how and from where/whom Meier did get his information other than from the attribute extraterrestrial sources or, of course, getting ready to write the check.
Failing that, all the king’s horses and all the king’s men, won’t be able to put Humpty Simon’s reputation together again.
As usual Mr. Horn misses the point. Neither the scientific community with peer review nor a court of law would conclude that Meier predicted Apophis. They have time travel but can’t come up with the name Apophis or the trajectory?
And a stunning lack of proof that the Meier case has an extraterrestrial origin. I have provided better evidence of ET and I’m just lowly IT retiree with no resources. You couldn’t even prove ET origin of the Meier case in a civil case never mind beyond a shadow of doubt standard. If Mr Horn could provide ET evidence that would hold up to this standard while eliminating all the other possible scenarios to explain the case, that would be great.
I have provided other possibilities that explain the Meier case. If you look at the political bias that is constantly displayed in the contact reports, I am inclined to believe the Meier case origin is closer to Earth.
You make more unsubstantiated claims.
I doubt that you, poor retiree that you, know very much about what constitutes proof beyond a reasonable doubt.’
He does:
https://theyflyblog.com/2017/08/billy-meier-beyond-reasonable-doubt/
And, by the way, I’ve been an expert witness in a $1,000,000+ lawsuit. The plaintiff prevailed…largely based on my testimony, which was also based on my own research into the matter at hand.
Now, instead of trying more b.s., you’ll do as requested, with each item presented.
Or take your sorry ass and get out of here. Period.
I think Mr. Horn is the one that needs a meditation, a long walk in the woods, and a small dish of ice cream.
What we IT retirees call hitting a nerve.
The truth hurts.
All your so called evidence even if true doesn’t in any way prove ET origin. Sorry, but true. I reject your demands.
You’re done here, phony, and don’t come back.
Go can play your jerk-around game somewhere else.
Michael,
You’re being deliberately obtuse and ignoring the heaps of evidence in the Meier case. You’re also calling Meier a liar, either intentionally or inadvertently.
It seems that you are looking at the evidence without actually looking at the evidence. I can look at pictures and videos of UFOs all day long, but without doing a thorough investigation, I can’t come to any conclusions about the legitimacy of said photos or videos. Without investigating all the material evidence and any supporting evidence, you can’t discover the truth. The best you can do is give your opinion or hunch, but we know what that’s worth.
In summary, you can’t be taken seriously because a real and honest investigator couldn’t come away with your dippy theories on the Meier case. You know why? Because it’s real and true and it’s the greatest discovery in our history.
Do either one of these astronomers work for the intelligence agency? The first astronomer, 3/1/22, is the true discover if he/she in fact discovered the planet. There may be auxiliary evidence that supports the first astronomer, so one would have to have all the supporting evidence.