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The Billy Meier UFO contacts singularly authentic ongoing for 80 years the key to our future survival

The Iceman Cometh Back to Freeze Out the Skeptics

Ignoring UFO contactee Billy Meier’s chillingly accurate predictions doesn’t bode well for our future survival

In 2008, we published information about the so-called Iceman that showed that Billy Meier received and published the essential facts well before the “official discovery” of the frozen mummy. Of course the skeptics and sophists came out of their own blocks of intellectual ice to attack Meier, claiming that he falsified, backdated the information, etc.

While skepticism is an appropriate element, as opposed to a valid, overriding philosophical, scientific or professional position, the particular kind of skeptics who rushed to attack the Meier case presume that this reclusive man, his evidence, information and his claims, all only exist to try to fool them. Since they considered themselves to be too “smart” for such a ruse, they set themselves up like bowling pins for the inevitable corroboration of Meier’s truthfulness to scatter them all over the proverbial alley, which has now happened again, as Matt Knight illustrates below*. They also inadvertently have helped to corroborate Meier’s specific, prophetically accurate information about Jupiter, Io, etc.

In fact, there are so many more, new corroborations occurring that it’s only because of the prodding by contributors to the blog that I decided to post just a few of them. Honestly, the stubbornness and refusal by so-called scientists and others to even respond to this singular, overwhelmingly prophetically accurate source, this elephant in the room, does get a bit depressing at times. So I’m of course thankful when a skeptical professor decides that – in pursuit of intellectual honesty, integrity and curiosity – his students deserve to decide the truth for themselves.

New Planet…as Meier Predicted in 1958

In 1958 Meier first published predictive information about the discovery of planets beyond Pluto. He did so again in 1978 and lead investigator Wendelle Stevens reported that Meier also told him about it in 1979. In 1988, Meier spoke about planets “up to around 3,000 kilometers in size” beyond Pluto,  all of which brings to mind  the recent headline story about a possible new 9th planet in the solar system. It also calls to mind Meier’s information about Neptune and many other things that could prove educational to our scientists, etc., which was published in May 1989. We should note that Voyager 2 didn’t take its photographs of the planet until the summer of 1989.

In 2009, Meier published this information, which may also turn out to be relevant:

“Besides all this, the year 2012 brings other unpleasant events, like e.g. an unknown, invisible, dark and huge space wanderer that is threatening from the fringe of our solar system and could wreak tremendous havoc regarding Earth.

And if this should really occur, the fact of its existence would be openly proven starting with 2010 or 2011, if at all, because the possibility of a “dark” and, therefore, non-observable passage of the colossus is also possible.”

Of course we still get inquiries from concerned, well-intentioned people asking why we haven’t contacted SETI, which of course we’ve attempted for over a decade and recently again, without response. But how else can we describe this self-appointed authority – on a topic that it knows absolutely nothing about – than a stubborn, cynical, profiteering fraud that has deliberately blocked, ignored and stonewalled any actual scientific investigation into the Meier case, which represents and exemplifies the singular, historical fulfillment of it’s “search for extraterrestrial intelligence”, if indeed there was one ounce of honesty and sincerity behind it?

The People Were Warned

On the social scene, Sweden is now beset with hugely increased crime and rape from Muslim immigrants, echoing what Meier specifically foretold in the Henoch Prophecies, almost 30 years ago:

236. Especially in France and Sweden, machinations as well as dictatorial regulations of the European Union will cause much unrest and many uprisings; but also crimes committed by gangs and organised criminal elements in these countries will cause unavoidable civil wars.

237. In addition, significant tensions will arise between the native citizens and immigrants from foreign countries, who as a rule also observe different from those of the native populace.

Note that the EU didn’t even exist when Meier first published this document. Note also that it was the recent machinations of Angela Merkel and the EU that indeed created the problems with “immigrants from foreign countries” whose different “religious beliefs” refers to Islam. Search the rest of the document and you’ll see that Meier long foretold troubles for France, also due to Islam:

259. This can be envisioned as being the many foreigners of a different religion living in France at that time, and specifically Islam, which will be this force working from within.

As has also been amply pointed out, Meier warned specifically about the problems with radical Islam, in 1958, and the problems we’re now seeing with mass migrations, etc., in 1964.

In fact, in 1951, Meier specifically foretold virtually all of not only the environmental problems but also the current terrorism, mass migration, criminality from third-world countries etc.

And things haven’t gotten exactly cheerier, as has also been evidenced since we posted this video.

A Feast for Futurists

It seems that the one area of science that deals with the idea of predictions is that of the futurists, some of whom now echo what Meier’s long specifically foretold.

We’ve pointed out that Meier was the first person to foretell manmade environmental catastrophes, such as climate change, unnatural global warming, the connection between oil extraction, fracking and earthquakes, etc., decades before the ridiculous know-it-all deniers were choking on the facts. Even the Pentagon unknowingly corroborated Meier’s environmental information, virtually point-for-point, as did an independent UN report. Of course it’s completely politically/religiously unacceptable to also point out the underlying cause, overpopulation, as Meier also spelled out decades ago.

There is, and will continue to be, more fulfillment of that which we should’ve and could’ve avoided, so long as human beings stick their heads in the sand and prioritize profit, entertainment and other distractions over the truth.

Hopefully though, there will also be more honest scientists, futurists, economists, financial analysts, political leaders and others who are willing to swallow their pride, step forward and help prove that we’re not too stupid to survive.

 

 

Thanks also to Annie, Erwin, Nicholas and all the people who forwarded the information about the possible newly discovered planet.

 

*By Matt Knight:

Skeptics left out in the cold after this triple whammy from the Iceman…

Did anyone else pick up on this? In October 2013, National Geographic published an article entitled, “5 Surprising Facts About Otzi the Iceman” (1). Guess what? In February 2012, Scientists found that the Iceman’s DNA showed, “…several health issues”, including, ‘Atherosclerosis’, the medical term for hardened arteries which can be caused by “vascular calcifications”. (2)

Online since 2005, Contact Report 238 from 1991 discloses that the Iceman’s “…death happened at that time in such a way that he fell – caused by an epileptic fit…” (3).

In 2014, nine years after Billy’s the above information was available online, Scientists discover that, “Conditions that can cause [epileptic] seizures include: Hardening of the arteries” (4). Professor Sherifa Hamed from the Dept of Neurology & Psychiatry, Assiut University Hospital, Egypt (5), found, “Evidence from epidemiological, longitudinal, prospective, double-blinded clinical trials as well as case reports documents age-accelerated atherosclerosis with increased carotid artery intima media thickness (CA-IMT) in patients with epilepsy.” (6)

So DNA taken from the Iceman showed, in 2012, that the Iceman had hardened arteries which were proven to cause epilepsy in 2014 – 23 years after Ptaah stated that the Iceman had an epileptic fit just before he fell to his death.

More corroboration…

The same National Geographic article features information from scans scientists took of the Iceman in 2011. These showed that the Iceman died from a bang to the head. Note the absence now of any link to an “attack” as previously suggested. Bang to head would be the result of a fall as Billy said in 1991. This research also supports Quetzal’s statement in Contact Report 216, in 1987, online since 2010 (7), that acupuncture is older than previously thought:

“Ötzi’s frozen mummy preserves a fine collection of Copper Age tattoos… has led some researchers to believe that the tattoos marked acupuncture points… Ötzi must have needed a lot of treatment, which, given his age and ailments, isn’t so surprising. The oldest evidence for acupuncture, Ötzi’s tattoos suggest that the practice was around at least 2,000 years earlier than previously thought.” (1)

(1) http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2013/10/131016-otzi-ice-man-mummy-five-facts/

(2) http://adsabs.harvard.edu/abs/2012NatCo…3E.698K

(3) http://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/Contact_Report_238

(4) http://www.webmd.com/epilepsy/tc/epilepsy-cause

(5) https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Sherifa_Hamed

(6) http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/25164495

(7) http://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/Contact_Report_216

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Dennis Ryan

Where’s Mahesh to try to debunk the iceman again?

Rhal Zahi

Very interesting. Corroborating the health issues about Ozi!! Thank you.

About the 9th planet: In the video the astronomers suggest the presence of the 9th planet, as a big object, to explain why the distant objects in the Solar System translate around the Sun in the same direction as the planets do. In a formation of a Solar System, with one single star, the forming internal cloud will be rotating in one direction, so the forming planets around the central star rotates in the same direction. An external cloud (like the Orth Cloud), with several objects, will no rotate or its rotation will be too slow. In solar system models the external objects can have several different orbits, with some of the distant objects rotating in one direction, and others, in another direction. But our Solar System have most of the distant objects rotating in the same direction. Why? The astronomers explain it with a 9th big planet, that might be influencing their orbits in this direction. But there is another possibility: We live in a binary System, not with one single star, but two. A binary System, with a star at one light year from the other one, will be rotating in one direction so the Orth cloud objects will be influenced to rotate in the same direction by the companion star. I think it might be the case. Yes, there are other planets beyond Pluto as Meier said. but I do not think there is a big 9th planet as the Astronomers are suggesting. The explanation would be that we live in a Binary System, as Ptaah told Billy. The Sun companion star is very cold, so it does not shine, and we have not seen it yet. So the Atronomers should consider that instead of a 9th big planet, bigger than Earth and half of the size of Neptune, they might consider the existence of a dark companion star, that the Plejaren says it is at around one light year from the Sun. Maybe it will require more years to discover that it really exist. And off course knowing again that Billy was right.

Taro Istok

A lot of great finds today.

Contact Report 544
Date/time of contact: Saturday, September 1st, 2012

Ptaah: “The hitherto existing astronomical technical equipment and devices are still not suitable. But it is only a question of time until a corresponding discovery occurs. The currently existing technical devices are not yet capable, however, of capturing the extremely faint light of the Dark Star and its satellites.”

http://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/Contact_Report_544

matt lee

Good on ya Rhal I was suspecting the same as well.
This might explain why there are anomalous weather phenomenon happening on all our planets in our solar system and including our sun.
Maybe the perihelion effect of the twin star is the influencing effect.
Who knows but then this leads to one other conclusion in that not only does space objects in Oort cloud are effected but also our asteroid belt as well
This means that the closer our twin star is positioned relative to our solar system the greater its gravitational effect on it resulting in more comets, rocks, asteroid and dust entering the proximity of our sun and of course earth.
Notice how space objects mainly come in the direction parellel to the poles rather than from underneath our solar bodies and system.
I guess they don’t call it magnetic field for no reason.

Daniel Cooper

I was wondering about some of the scientists calculations and comparing them with the calculations about the dark star yeah… 1 light year (dark star) instead of 1 light week, (what scientists assume at this stage without knowing). And the fact that the dark star might also have its own satellites too as mentioned in the contact. That peaked my interest.

Sheila Clark

I used to doubt that fracking would make the ground collapse into itself. My reasoning was that frac fluid was being pumped into the fractures therefore the volume of fluid would stop it from collapsing. I recently found out that since the price of oil has tanked, they are now removing the frac fluid (called invert) and it’s apparently worth more than oil. So this will leave empty caverns and now I finally get it why the earth will collapse into itself.

Sheila Clark

Nicely done Matt Knight. Have you heard anything back from Mahesh?

Matt Knight

Thanks Sheila. No, nothing from Mahesh. Guess there’s no UFO-profit in it. I can pre-empt his response though, along the lines of, “Many conditions can be caused by hardened arteries…” blah de blah, bullcrap. It’s like watching a man arguing against the cornering he’s given himself from the large and undeniable facts that mount up all around him and his followers that should be, by now, strongly hinting of the truth.

Whilst it good to find these interesting corroborations, I can’t help thinking that these may be the last of the good finds before some ugly truths start to come home to roost, which skeptics will be affected by like everyone else. No silly arguments, focussed on a portion of the material to become a position, which seems opposed to a true skepticism IMO, will be necessary when that SHTF.

matt lee

Yeah like a friggin earthquake and volcanic eruption in Rome and Vesuvius respectively.
I mean how much more direct can Billy be before those that have sufficiently dealt with the information who still think its a fraud finally see it for what it actually is.
Billy was the first and Billy has always been the first and the only one who told it first about so many things that Johnny come lately is just starting to find out about.
C’Mon
What else?
Then San francisco
Then US breaking apart into 5 different territories
Then the humungus tornado that’ll rip apart Europe.
Then the huge flooding afterwards in Europe and UK
Then the rolling walls of fire in the US
Cumbre Vieja in Canary Islands
Then the emergence of ‘the planet seeker’ telescope.
Then the red meteor Apophis
Then the big one in Pacfic Northwest subduction zone earthquake.
What else?
Oh the Japanese and Chinese discovery of the next stage of matter.
Development of frequency weapons that turns human bones to mush.
The successful crossbreeding through genetic engineering of human and oink oink.
The list is practically endless oh not quiet but you know what I mean.

George M

matt lee,

The word “tornado”, when used by the PJ also refers to cyclones and hurricanes. It was clarified in one of the contact reports as I recall. Therefore, any major storm system rolling through Europe might be the the “tornado” mentioned.

Also, the word “burned”, as used in some contact reports, refers to what we call “radiation”, rather than the hot bright fire that most of us immediately think of.

This difference in the meaning ascribed to many words may result (or have already resulted) in many corroborations going unnoticed.

I have personally been looking and trying to understand if the weather patterns we are seeing right now in the Northern Hemisphere, as well as the gas leaks presently clouding the US, might rightly be interpreted as the predictions unfolding right now.

The frequency weapons that disintegrate human bone might already exist, by the way. The mineral matrix in bones is comprised of calcium carbonate. Limestone and marble is comprised of calcium carbonate. I recall reading about an ultrasonic jackhammer technology patented by NASA a handful of years ago, that already exists, that would penetrate calcium carbonate. I would be unsurprised if such a technology acting at a distance, that is presently in use or testing in a more benign application like mining, is in fact the bone disintegrating technology in an unweaponized form.

matt lee

George where in the contact report did it mention about the tornado and burned.
I took these words literally as in tornado=tornado and rolling walls of fire through act of war=not as a detonation of nuclear bomb but a massive bushfire or forest fires set off deliberately.
Do you have an example of such a mining equipment that applies here?

George M

matt lee,

I just spent half an hour (at least) hunting down that tornado reference, and was unable to find it. Perhaps it is in one of the unauthorized, unapproved translations.

I will resume looking tomorrow, because it is really annoying that contact reports are starting to act like paperclips and staplers – as soon as you need them, they hide. What next?

George M

MH,

I scoured that link, to find that unfortunately, that isn’t it. The one I read was very specific, where the meaning was that the PJs made no distinction between large weather systems and small, calling them all tornadoes.

Sheila Clark

Nice summary Matt Lee. I did manage to laugh at the oink oink part, so thanks for that.
Jan. 23 at 18:05 UTC a 4.9 magnitude earthquake 154 km west of Bandon, Oregon.

matt lee

Cheers Sheila
Man if I was a Canadian living in Toronto or close to that area I would get the hell out.
I don’t think that natural disasters have a nice and neat borders where it discriminates from one country to the next.
So whatever happens in San Francisco would most probably effect your fellow Canadians.
Have they been warned about this Sheila?

matt lee

George count me in there as well man.
For me sometimes, I look for my keys wondering where in the heck did it go and after a frantic search everywhere I end up finding it in my hand.
Whaddayaknow.

George M

matt lee,

I’ll keep an eye out for that super irritating tornado and use of the word “burning” pertaining to radiation as I go, and in the meantime just paste a quick link to one of the variants of NASA’s ultrasonic jackhammer:

http://ntrs.nasa.gov/archive/nasa/casi.ntrs.nasa.gov/20110014887.pdf

Might I also suggest doing a quick search on an Italian man named Pierre Ighina, who showed the melting of metal at a distance in front of a reporter, which easily proves significant action of oscillations at a distance.

You might also look at various people who have built vortex cannons that knock down walls from dozens of meters away, or even look at people using magnetrons salvaged from microwave ovens to burn items at a distance of many meters.

It isn’t difficult to couple the two ideas to say “ultrasonic sound breaks rock…sound and other oscillations travel through air and act at a distance…bone disintegrating weapon would be breaking the mineral matrix of bone at a distance”.

As for the specific use of words, it might take a while to find them as I go. The comments were made in the context of stray conversation, and I have been unable to search the PDF’s that I have adequately. My set of notes is very incomplete. If I had a better database, I might have found it already, but alas…not today.

Terry Carch

I heard that this dark star was in he Kyber Belt though I must be wrong? If this dark dtar is thje dead star the Ptaah and Quetzal are talking about I wonder if it`s possible that given the proper technology we could light up this dead twin to our sun and have a second sun instead of all the nuclear power and fossil fuel that is polluting our planet etc.In this way we could have clean unlimited solar energy from both suns without all the harmful unhealthy energy that we are now consuming right now.

Terry Carch

P.S. What about the brown/red Nemisis that is outside or beyond the Ort Cloud? Could we light up this dead star for unlimited abundant solar energy? Most solar systems in our galaxy and beyond have double suns. One or the other or even both could give us unlimited solar energy without all that dirty fossile fuel and dangerous nuclear power etc.

Jan Švankmajer

I read your deep in thoughts, feelings and ideas which I think is simply wonderful.

About what you said “we could have clean unlimited solar energy”, its so important I think to remember that this is not so, due to the original outlay of manufacturing and material extraction. Some have argued against me in the past that its a one time purchase and worth it, but they neglect the wider reality, because these solar panels are specially designed and engineered to fail after 4 years, to ensure that the brand business remains profitable.

George M

Jan Švankmajer,

The reality of the solar panel industry is worse than that.

Solar panels have been developed, most notably in Melbourne, that are made of much cheaper materials, that are more robust, and several times more efficient.

I read a report somewhere that the technology has been held back from release so as to allow the companies who have invested billions of dollars in the present, greatly inferior doped silicone wafer technology mostly located in China to realize their expected profits.

So, people who are purchasing solar panels today are being forced to buy technology known to be inferior in all ways.

Even worse, we have another technology being ignored that again hamstrings solar energy.

The main problem with solar technology after collecting energy is the storage of that energy, so that it may be used either at night, or to power devices that demand a lot of it all at once, such as heaters, refrigerators, and power tools.

Some people developed an electrical storage device that is superior to the lithium ion batteries, that a motivated person can make themselves at home. It contains no heavy metals, being comprised mainly of aluminium and carbon.

This technology is being ignored by companies and governments who much prefer that people use large, heavy, super poisonous and difficult to dispose of lead acid, cadmium based, or lithium ion batteries that are largely incapable of storing and discharging useful amounts of power.

So, in addition to being forced to buy inferior solar collection devices, people are also being forced to store collected power in an incredibly damaging way.

The tone of your statement regarding the outlay of manufacturing and material extraction needed for solar energy indicate that you think that those things automatically disqualify solar energy being viable for broad use. This is certainly true for the methods of solar power utilization in widespread use, but may not be so for those which are not.

Here is a link to an article describing yet another new method, that in my opinion, will likely not be widely implemented for the aforementioned reasons.

Solar panels that cost potentially $10 per meter – cheap enough to replace every 4 years in any event: https://pursuit.unimelb.edu.au/articles/printing-the-next-generation-of-solar-cells

Andrew Grimshaw

G’Day George,
This here is the reason why I have found myself saying the following, a lot, lately:
“I know, do you know how much it costs to run the sun every day!”, in reply to, “Money makes the world go ’round.”
“I know, because we have spaceships that can get us to the next planet, that we know of, that we can live on!”, in reply to some thoughtless comment supporting something that damages our biosphere.
Salome

matt lee

Thanks for the information George.
Very interesting.
This is the first time I came across Pierre Ighina.
I haven’t formed any opinion of his work because I haven’t dealt with it yet.
Will in due time.
As for the tornado reference no need to stress over it whenever you come upon it is alright.
So far though whatever I’ve read so far, which is nearly everything that is available in English, I haven’t yet come across Billy and the Plejaren specifically mentioning that to them the definition of tornado also entails storms and hurricanes.
Cheers

Terry Carch

Jan what about putting solar mirrors up above the earth out in space to collect all that solar energy back to earth. I read and heard about that idea too inslead of those solar collectors that you said would only last for four years?

Wyatt Clancy

A good alternative to solar power is this:
Take the basic concept of an alternator and instead of spinning the core with a car engine(or wind), use the repulsion and attraction properties of magnets to spin the core inside a stator. In fact, this has already been invented by aussies but they sold the invention to a Japanese company.

Wyatt Clancy

BTW if it is built right, it can power your home and car if its an electric car.

Andrew Grimshaw

G’Day Wyatt,
The youtube video you linked was posted 3months shy of 6 years ago.
Where is this generator now?
Can’t let us useless eaters having energy for free, no doubt!
Salome

Wyatt Clancy

On the linked video, view the replies to the first comment(“Any progress report”), a guy says they sold it to Evergreen Enterprise International in Hong Kong, which is in China not Japan lol

George M

As I recall, the inventors of that device were bought out for a great deal of money, and are presently employed developing another type of energy device.

It appears that this kind of thing happens regularly. Energy inventors have been killed, incarcerated, or thrown into lunatic asylums under false pretences. It seems that even the noblest inventors are made the offer of being bought out, or destroyed.

If you would like to watch an inventor involved in this kind of thing tell his own story, a link is here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GTPYecWuppg

In short, the gentleman allegedly achieved success by finding a way to collect and utilize temperature differences between the surrounding environment and his apparatus. He tells a good story, if you like that kind of thing. It is at 1:16:00 or so that he chats about being thrown in jail without trial.

Wyatt Clancy

I’m sure people in the USA have been killed to cover these devices up, but the aussies in my linked video said the people who ran energy companies here in Australia were looking for renewable solutions. They would’ve sold their magnet motor willingly for the money. Its not to hard to build anyway, anyone who works on cars or something could build it.

George M

Wyatt Clancy,

I have personally been in a meeting with a sitting Australian senator where such an invention, that had been built and tested, was offered.

The senator did not care one little bit, and looked at the inventor as if he was a nuisance.

Personally I blame the public as much as the political and business leaders. If a known energy inventor with a working device was being raided by the police with intent to destroy the device and jail the inventor, how many normal people would place themselves in harms way to stop them?

Until the answer to that question is “pretty much everyone”, the pattern will not change, in my opinion.

Wyatt Clancy

Yeah you’re right. I think the best thing to do if someone invents an excellent energy source, is for that person to go public as quick as possible and make the specs open source. However, when was this meeting, because if it was a while ago, things might of changed here in Aust since then. In any case I’m only 18 and don’t know much about our gov tbh.

George M

Meeting was about 3 years ago.

You’re right about things in Australia changing though. It’s worse.

Your age doesn’t matter, but I would strongly suggest learning as much about government as possible – preferably from people who know what they are talking about, who don’t normally write things down.

Before you think me a pessimist for saying thet Australia is worse – the Australian government recently did two things that are horrifying.

The first is to enact “bail in” legislation, which, in short, means that banks ahve the right to yank money out of people’s bank accounts if they need it. Banks are private businesses. If anyone else’s private business was going bankrupt, the government would shrug its shoulders and say “well, every asset owned by that business will be bought by people who are more clever, who will do better things with them”.

Not so with banks. The private businesses called banks, which pay their board members millions of dollars in bonuses so that they can all have nice houses and cars, are strangely immune to bankruptsy. If they get into trouble, then they are free to take the savings of an old person who saved every penny for 40 years.

The other pice of legislation is the Trans Pacific Partnership, which, among many crazy sections, says that if the Australian government makes a law that reduces the profits of any foreign owned business for any reason, then the foreign owned business may sue the Australian government, who is supposed to tax the people so as to give that money to the foreign owned business.

So, if a foreign owned business were selling lollipops that were then found to contain a chemical that was poisonous, with projected profits in the lollipop business of 100 million per year, and the Australian government then banned the poison lollipops, then the lollipop company would expect the Australian government to tax the people of Australia and give them a $100 million cheque every year because they missed out on making that money.

Any government that allowed a cheap energy machine to reduce oil profits would likely be expected to pay the oil company under this treaty.

This is what happens when people ignore politics, because, you know, watching Dancing With The Stars on a television powered by fossil fuels while you pay $100 million to a poison lollipop company which has an account in a bankrupt bank that took your grandma’s savings while you work 60 hours a week to afford living in a one bedroom flat with 14 other people sharing a pack of 2 minute noodles is surely preferable to paying attention to politics every now and again.

Wyatt Clancy

While that bail-in legislation is stupid, the TPP is yet to be finalized and because both Clinton and Trump (also some congress members) appose it along with the mostly inevitable USA collapse I don’t think it will be finalized.

Sheila Clark

I noticed that Obama announced that Canada was signing onto the TPP (after his meeting with silver spoon Trudeau) before it was announced to Canadian citizens.

George M

Wyatt Clancy,

I am not sure that you are correct about the TPP not being signed. I distinctly recall that Australia signed a cheque for a drug about a week ago to purchase a drug for $100 million that it could have purchased from India for $100,000 or something silly like that – which is why I spoke with confidence. I tend to remember being outraged.

I went looking for verification just now, and found this article that specifically used the word “signed”. It is less than 2 weeks old.

http://www.ibtimes.com.au/world-bank-says-australia-will-not-benefit-trans-pacific-partnership-1500140

Are you certain that your information pertains to Australia and is not specific to the USA? Different nations can sign agreements at different times.

Reynold Bergerwillis

George M. Rivers of Babylon, Daddy Cool, Brown Girl in the Ring, Sunny

George M

Reynold Bergerwillis,

I do not understand the point that you are trying to make.

Wyatt Clancy

I think you’re supposed to search the lyrics to these song names, if my detective skills are good enough.

George M

Wyatt Clancy,

I thought the same, but simply prefer communicating directly. With all the confusion in the world already, I don’t see why I should spend any time digging around to figure out what someone might have meant when they could have simply said so in the first place.

WM

Billy Meier has been proven to heavily postdict. Meier almost always trails his predictions and/or he is able to reach firm enough ground in his reading for a firm intuitive leap in the form of a more vague and later malleable prediction to be made.

http://www.topsecretwriters.com/2013/12/did-any-of-the-billy-meier-predictions-ever-come-true/

If you are actually interested in the truth Michael, post and reply to these argument point by point.

WM

Mr. Meier also postdicted the Canary Island quake/tsunami threat. There was a big TV documentary done on it well before Meier’s predictions, there obviously also being a sizable body of scientific data predating this.

Also, his Fukushima “predictions” are meaningless for establishing prophetic or predictive ability. I for one instantly knew everything his trumpeted “predictions” encompassed as I watched the event unfold real time, as did many alternative media sources and more informed people, including readers here. Meier’s statements were in fact well behind people more on top of that situation. Ditto for the Gulf Oil Spill situation as well as overall environmental degradation and potential collapse worldwide. I spend quite a bit of time with environmental scientists and holistic thinkers who have arrived at this inescapable solution long ago.

It is no measure of a party’s supernormal predictive or prophetic abilities at all to say someone’s calling a spade a spade in a situation where corporate-state controlled and corrupted mainstream media sources simply won’t speak the obvious truth.

Melissa Osaki

Hi Michael, I just want to say that your research, dedication and perseverance comes shining through every time you address one these low information deniers. You have a way with the English language, as limited as it is, that just makes me smile.
It saddens me to see how lazy, incompetent and dense people are getting year after year. The mindless drivel they spew reminds me of a dog chasing its tail. They just can’t break free from that circle and take some initiative to research the facts. Anyone who truly looks at the Meier info, in depth, can’t deny its validity. In fact, the more the world burns, you can go back and read Billy’s warnings and watch it unfold almost word for word in stunningly meticulous detail. Just in the time that I have researched the Meier case, many new corroborations have occurred that he wrote about back in the 70’s, 80’s and 90’s. And this was long BEFORE computers and easy access to global media.
Your will is unbreakable Michael! Not many people would sustain the abuse you have and keep going. The world will be a better place someday and you are spearheading that revolution of truth!
Salome!

Bruce Lulla

Such comments/commenters belie such typical self-delusion and low intellect which is indicative of much of the predicament we have made for ourselves and particularly regarding their agenda, bias, lack of logic and rationality.
The fact that MH even addresses such lowly intelligent jibberish is an incredible act of love and kindness that should not be lost on such cretins, who should take heed and at least attempt to crawl out from their own cūlus or at least to try and poke their head out from such putridness.

adrian martinez

I think those types of comments are required so that those not here yet where we are with the case can go through the positives and negatives of the case. When I first came across this case, I poo poo’d it and kept on mindlessly watching ancient aliens and the sort. But then for some reason I watched his contact story with Lee and brit and col.Stevens. I was dumbfounded after watching the part where they tested the material. My first thought was “why wasn’t I made aware of this before?” So the eye candy for me past the test of legitimacy. I then heard an interview with MH and was so happy to hear from someone that knew the case and could back up the talk. But I then read the debunkers stuff… Watched their YouTube videos and websites, and my bubble bursted… But then, I read MH debunking the debunkers. My balloon was filled back up! But I was accepting others work to help me believe… But I kept hearing MH’s voice in my head to reasearch it myself (i don’t mean telepathically, his words were just stuck in my head). So I did. And I came to the realization that this was real. For me. It was scary for me to reject my beliefs and start living for truth. My point is that I had to go through that broken road to get to where I am today, and partly it was because of the naysayers that at first bursted my bubble that made me continue researching to bring about the truth of this case to where I am now at. I dont regard these people as idiots, they are still going through the case, coming across debunkers that are making deceitfully strong points that need to be addressed so that they can hopefully continue their research so that they can also accept this case as truth… Steps needed to be taken with me, and I’m thinking it’s the same with others? So welcome their comments, and if they are legitimately honest about their comments then hopefully they’ll accept the responses that disprove their theories showing BEAM as a fraud? And then they too will be where we are at? The ball is rolling… Regardless of the size of the ball, it will eventually lead to an avalanche! Here’s to the biggest avalanche the worlds ever seen! Salome!

Bruce Lulla

interesting, Adrian, and relevant and point-full

danke

adrian martinez

The problem with a lot of these anonymous comments is that it appears they want to “bust us all out” as frauds with a “aha” moment… Not realizing there are not many debunk jobs out there we all have not encountered and disproved. As I mentioned before, some of them make strong points, deceitful as they are, and can sway a fence sitter to think that this case is bogus. Those are the types I think are more common… That post here trying to “show us” that this case is a hoax. From my perspective, to throw away.my beliefs that I once upon a time cherished, and accept this case as real and start living for truth and being a true spiritual being based on creations laws and ways… I didn’t do it based on 1 article I read. It took years and years of research for me to come to the realization this case is real… Which means going through all the debunkers theories… disproving them, researching more… And more.. and more. I know I’m no where near where I can be spiritually… But I’m on my way! Just reading Semjase’s explanation of creation from contact 18… How the words I read explaining what it truely means to be a spiritual being… Within creations laws… It gives me goose bumps just thinking of it. I know it’s real with every essence of my being because it feels right. Can’t put it into words… I’m sure you all get it. Anyways, keep up the good work everyone! and if you’re reading this ready to “expose us” with a debunk theory… Make sure you look beyond the eye candy, and read what it means to be a spiritual being from Semjases explanation from contact # 18. If that doesn’t move you… Well, maybe your next life you’ll be evolved enough to where it does move you? Salome!

Jan Švankmajer

I want to share the story of when I explained the entire Billy Meier contact reports to a real trusted lifelong friend over 6 months of weekend conversations into the early hours of the mornings each time at our local tavern, with assorted world ales.

The friend had only shallow interest, having only seen a couple of sceptical articles and the wikipedia entry. But the friend had already studied many subjects and was interested in the comparisons as was I. I explained everything, and together we unturned every conceivable orifice of information.

The Billy Meier contact reports we concluded together, only makes for pure logic, absolute sense, when viewed in its entirety, we concluded that without that top level perspective we eventually reached after many many hours, it is understandable that individuals would come along, just like they do for anything and talk they’re blab. The individual items in the Billy Meier contact reports are not easily acceptable without the greater perspective of reality and the facts of life. We made the effort not to take the individual items out of perspective.

And then finally it reached a stage where a genuine interest was raised about individual items of interest. Example say, what do the Plejaren say about the specifics of the secondary deeper level of thoughts, etc. Then only then did we find a real interesting piece of information at the end of each avenue. Which is what they always intended.

Jan Švankmajer

Its my judgements and conclusions of the friend thats the strongly interesting part. I concluded that the friend did not deserve it. For example when it came to the natural laws, it was explained beautifully, was privileged to have it explained so well, listened attentively and contributed as if following each step. But later slammed me for not being open minded enough to incorporate the idea as my own that other areas of the universe could have an entirely different set range of natural laws. I had to explain that stars are not different shapes on the deep-field telescope images. Which I felt was a fundamental misunderstanding, unworthy having not actually assessed the facts of life. The friend was confused about the facts of life, but was however reasonable enough to experience the perturbations of readjustment, eventually reaching a conclusion of logic. However did not actually leave with any interest in reading with the enthusiasm of real interest. Which is why I concluded the friend ofcourse could only possibly have deserved the information if a genuine interest to assess the facts was there, which it was not, and still is not, the friend still wants to hurtle through life like a lump of faeces, having not learnt a damn thing. But I suppose at least the friend was tolerant enough to have listened attentively and offer relevant feedback.

Matt Knight

Spot on response to WM MH.

Apparently, Mahesh has responded to my findings on the Iceman, although, not directly to me via my post on his FB site, but, on another site. What a soldier. I also heard that – she of few (often poisonous) words – Robjna, got a boot in too.

Robjna and Mahesh have been on my tail since I embarrassed them and their stupid FB group and also in previous arguments I’ve had with them. The fact that they jumped at the chance at dismissing a corroboration because it was mine is hardly surprising and tells me how far away from the scientific approach they have strayed. A couple of years ago, I criticised their having a, ‘Friends of Billy Meier & FIGU’ FB group with a moderator (Mahesh) who is obviously biased about the case and thinks Billy is lying about photos, contact reports, etc. So it is no surpise today that, just like a couple of ratcatchers, they pretend to do things in support of the scientific method and Meier, except when that comes from someone they don’t personally like – like the good little tyrants they really are. Quoting Meier at every turn, in that we should do our own research and no-one should believe anything, or, anyone, is right, of course, but, does not mean you avoid or dance around coming to a conclusion with regards to this investigation and argue that instead of just criticising & fault-finding. The premise – Meier is in contact with ET human beings – has to be answered to the best of our individual response-ability or what’s the point of the investigation for? Funnily enough, I’ve never heard one cop say they were pleased to have done all that work to not know who the criminals really were. The corroboration I found reveals that Meier was right before scientists were able to confirm that he was right and the probabilities for further corroboration in the future become exponentially difficult for anyone trying to maintain hoax as new scientific developments do find the truth to things that no-one – including Meier – had access to or knew at the time. Yet, Robjna and Mahesh dismiss this and think they’re being scientific. They also appear to have missed the point that the recent findings regarding ‘Atherosclerosis’ and epilepsy show that all epileptics have hardened arteries the older they get. So, what are the chances of Meier being wrong and why dismiss that unless you are a fake?

If anyone is backdating, it is Mahesh, as the page he put up to argue this on UFO-profit, has been taken down: http://www.facebook.com/l.php?u=http%3A%2F%2Fufoprophet.blogspot.in%2F…%2Fbilly-meiers-prediction&h=6AQGqNUck

It’s good that we got ’em stirred up anyway.

Sheila Clark

I don’t understand why Robyn would back Mahesh because it was my understanding that FIGU has already distanced themselves from Mahesh’s garbage?

Sheila Clark

Only Facebook knows for sure.

Matt Knight

Apparently, the ‘Friends of Billy Meier & FIGU’ group is not the same as the ‘Billy Meier UFO case’ group. Both groups still exist. The former group was set up by Hector who invited Robjna to be admin. Robjna has since left Mahesh’s group called, ‘The Billy Meier UFO case’ from where I was told the comments came, so kudos to Robjna for having integrity and leaving that group. My words were hurtful and so I apologise if I got the wrong end of the (poisonous) stick. It appeared to me that Robjna was overly critical of the right people whilst silent on the wrong people, but, maybe I misjudged that. Hope we can all work together and start talking openly as this blog promotes. People call me out & they know I’ll defend my end and that’s better than gutless sniping when and if that happens.

Daniel Cooper

I mentioned in a previous post that I used to be a moderator for the friends of Billy group but made a mistake. The one I used to help moderate was the one Hector set up.

Daniel Cooper

Oh wait, that Friends of Billy is the one Hector set up lol. I can’t keep track anymore. But yeah, that one I used to help moderate a long time ago. I dropped out of it a few years ago because I just wanted to concentrate more on my own studies. Learning German, reading and all the other work in life yet to do. I could see that it wasn’t helping my own learning very much. I can see why in the official figu forum they close own a lot of the discussion threads. Pointless going in circles. People need to just read for themselves and do their own work.

Matt Knight

Jeez, I start my rants with “Apparently” alot. Need to find another word for, “I don’t know for definite, but, this is what I’ve been told”.

Matt Knight

Apparently “Friends of Billy Meier & FIGU” has changed its name to “The Billy Meier UFO Case” (Ouch – must have hurt to have to do that). The comments were in that closed group. Here is a copy that I cannot verify, but, come from a reliable source:

“Robjna Foley: Annette, the scientists did not say that the iceman had an epileptic seizure. That was a separate article that said people who had seizures often have atherosclerosis.

Mahesh Karumudi: Thank you Robyn for saving my time. I published my analysis of 100+ so-called corroborations debunking them, and yet we have people again claiming – “look here, a new corroboration of Meier information,” while ignoring all my research. Gosh!”

“Mahesh Karumudi “MH: “In 2008, we published information about the so-called Iceman that showed that Billy Meier received and published the essential facts well before the “official discovery” of the frozen mummy. Of course the skeptics and sophists came out of their own blocks of intellectual ice to attack Meier, claiming that he falsified, backdated the information, etc.”

MH must be laughing his ass off how his sheep (read followers) doesn’t bother to question him. In his own article published on February 3, 2015, he presented his correspondence (in response to my expose) with Christian Frehner who plainly implied that my research raises serious questions and may be right.
Read ‘Michael Horn finally “acknowledges” the missing ARROW’
http://ufoprophet.blogspot.in/…/billy-meiers-prediction…

Yet here in 2016, we have MH still making the claim that Meier “PUBLISHED” it before official discovery of iceman facts by scientists.

In all these years with corresponding with MH and reading his articles, it is now clear that he doesn’t care about the truth. All he wants is to keep posting things that scream – corroboration this, corroboration that – which the gullible bunch would quickly absorb because they are just that – GULLIBLE. And in this process, MH creates more billyvers and gets more donations. Mission accomplished for MH?
UFO-Prophet: Billy Meier’s prediction on 5,300 year old Iceman, Ötzi: Fact…
ufoprophet.blogspot.com”

Matt Knight

Absolutely. They’re amateurish conclusions based on insignificant wins in the case. He has pointed out errors that FIGU Switzerland have acknowledged and thanked him for & explained as simple error & there will be one or two more of these, I’m sure, but, it’s a bit like the guy who comes round to your house and just criticises everything. His view does not detract from the significant hits in the case and that he completely ignores in his conclusions. Perfect aliens like we see on TV, or, in some religions this ain’t. Mistakes happen. Appears Mahesh likes to refer to people as “sheep” and exploit these to presumably lead them to his flawed and illogical conclusions – as many have eloquently pointed out here many times before.
I don’t think Taro got a response to his points to Mahesh. You don’t if you’re right, but, let’s all just “believe” he knows what he’s talking about because he’s pointed out to the townspeople that the population figure on their town sign is wrong and so no-one should ever visit there or take people from that town seriously. Yeh, very scientific.

Sheila Clark

It was also very telling that Mahesh got in contact with Stanton Friedman before his and Michael’s second debate on xzone radio. But funny that Michael absolutely trounced the information that Mahesh passed onto Stan. How does that feel Mahesh to be known by Stan Friedman as the brown one? He could not even bare to speak your name or maybe he didn’t remember and obviously didn’t even care enough about you to give you credit for all your useless help. We all know you read this blog. What say you? Maybe Robyn can come here to try and defend you? As it seems you like hiding behind women.

Jan Švankmajer

Do you know this common saying:
A good work-life balance is one in which you work to live, not live to work.
Well in the Billy Meier contact reports its this:
We look to the facts of life and reality to find the Billy Meier contact reports, not look to the Billy Meier contact reports to find the facts of life and reality.

Reynold Bergerwillis

This is something Christian Freshener said in 2007 before the 2008 financial collapse and then later in 2015 before the 2016 financial collapse

WM

How very cowardly of you not to post my further replies Michael.

I will put them through again to give you another chance. If you don’t post them, then it’ll be clear you really aren’t interested in the truth but rather your own beliefs and vested interests, as many strongly suspect.

George M

WM,

Let’s look at this another way, so that we may see who is being reasonable.

If you were to walk into any London pub where people were quietly talking, interrupt their conversation without being asked, whereby the people politely listened, then explained to you why what you were saying had no substance, then it is fairly obvious that if you simply repeated the same unsubstantive point of view over and over again, that you would make a nuisance of yourself and be unwelcome.

If you went to that pub, day after day, week after week, doing the same thing – interrupting conversations, making yourself unwelcome, and spoiling the conversations that total strangers to you were having, then you would probably be completely unsurprised when the bouncer or doorman informed you that you were no longer welcome at that pub.

Imagine then that you put your finger in the face of the bouncer and declared him, and all of the people in the pub, to be cowards for not wanting to hear your unsubstantiated words over and over again.

I find it quite strange that any person understands that such behaviour is totally unacceptable in a pub, and yet persists in doing exactly that on an online forum.

Something strange about the internet is that people think that they have a right to act in a way completely different to that expected in real life, and that if people online refuse to give them full attention after many previous discussions that have led to the person being shown to speak nonsense, that the people are cowardly or intolerant.

So, WM – if this place were a pub, or a dinner party at MH’s house, would you act in the way you are, and what would you expect to happen if you did so? Is it reasonable, or not?

George M

That is for WM to answer.

Hey WM, if you joined in conversation in a pub or dinner party, and were asked your name by one of the people you were talking to, what would you do?

Dennis Ryan

Mahesh refutes all of Meier’s corroborated prophetic material with flimsy blanket excuses.

Greg Hanson

Well, you guys have fun…
……………………………………………

I interrupt the latest efforts by our dependable, visiting dope, whose previous phony handles have been:

Greg Hanson
gerry Marlin
Roy Batrlam
Timothy Conrad
Thormand rickson
Brian fresrickson
(Also notice the “rickson” component in these last two)

The weekend’s almost over and I guess when they’re snowed in and climbing the walls, some people just feel like sharing the joy over here.

MH

Mark Gilbo

I’m still baffled by the skeptics unwilling to except anything from Billy’s publishings. It’s obvious they are on someone’s payroll. Also not so surprising our so-called scientists are unwilling to admit they use Billy’s info to advance their findings without ever a mention of his name. Most only care about Getting their name in a publication to advance their own careers.

I haven’t seen the question asked in the figu forum but has Billy ever mentioned his info being used by leaders to stay in power. I’m baffled that France’s leadership hadn’t taken him seriously after several conflicts within the country. Also, Putin must not read the prophecies because he moved his army over near Alaska, also published by Billy. And the CIA must not read them neither, especially if the movement of Russia’s troops hadn’t stirred up a response with our military.

I know we are told that people within these agencies read them but obviously the info is not passed on to someone who can make a change. Any thoughts?

Mark Gilbo

I agree MH and that’s what’s baffling to me. Here is a publication over 25 years ago and many in power continue to ignore them. And since we know Billy’s info will be smeared at all costs by others, you would think they wouldn’t want to risk their lives by ignoring the prophecies calling for their own doom. I guess stupidity is deeper than anyone could have expected.

Philip Brandel

It seems many that have the courage to read and think about what is being said also don’t do much more than complain, keep it inside… within the ‘real world’. Many(including myself) do not blend the inner and outer worlds together into a meaningful action based pattern of neutral positive REAL change. Based on the thought to action based ‘meanings’ of love, freedom, harmony, wisdom, equality, neutrality, etc, etc.
Didn’t Billy also say that Putin would just as quickly, if given the chance, take just as much control and power as those that now threaten our future survival?
At least in my experience beliefs of an overly ‘religious’ nature have in the most part blinded many to seeing things as they are, less what is needed to be done for the future. Whilst this aspect is in many ways the reason let alone the effect of the cause which shoots us towards our outcome.
An insane point in history when the truth is thrown down to the same levels of belief that are welcomed and worshiped by the masses. At this point seems many are not able to see past what they already think they only know…. nothing is beyond beliefs and servitude in this regard and many have no more room for one more… One more lie that they have never been given an ounce of truth to formulate within the truth of the individual, power of the thoughts when controlled and used. Seems for me at least, as painful as it is, yet obvious within its basic nature. The truth and change must come from within, for ourselves, individual, lest we slowly change from knowing to taking real tangible belief free action in the ‘real world’. Something I would be more than willing to discuss in a non fantastical nature here in Minnesota USA. Just a friendly local discussion within thinking about another way….. I know there are other Minnesotans out there:)

Randy Arena

Dear Blog,

Very well written Michael… I see you are improving your writing technique… The beauty of your songs… well crafted with meaning… also shows in your writing using the creative process. It is sad that people “say” they are searching for the truth hold so many untruths… in fact they are not even true to themselves… which is the greatest untruth. Well… some of us do not evolve at the same rate so there will be some that are completely “snowed” as to what we are even suggesting… like holding to the truth as to a means of making a living or (parrish the thought) actually educating anyone from a source far more informative than any other in the world.

I can see in many news reports and scientific articles with references of the Meier Material obviously “seasoned” throughout “their” articles… and it is too bad they do not reference the source. Well, I guess that’s the way it is in today’s Science: “I know more than YOU do”, or fault finding know-it-alls that cannot come out from behind a mask… I know Michael… he is an honest and forthright man… he is not wealthy but he is humble and concise. He does not make money from his travels all over the world… he does it for free unless they allow him airfare or boarding. He lives a meager life… I mean… it is not extravagant and he does not have “sheik ostentatious parties” like some folks may imagine he does. If the folks that pretend to know everything enough to debunk this case… went to at least visit the man in question, (Michael) they would know what I am speaking of here. Michael is the messenger, he never claims anything other than what Billy Meier has told him via his writings… he sticks to the information diligently and never adds information he cannot corroborate. I guess I’ve known Michael seven or eight years… we first met in 2007 or 2008 in Hinterschmidrüti, Switzerland and I felt happy to know him and enjoy his company. I cannot think of anyone else qualified to speak of this case due to his strict policy of truth, logic and reason.

Salome (Be greeted in peace and wisdom)