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Saturday, April 27, 2024

The Billy Meier UFO contacts singularly authentic ongoing for 80 years the key to our future survival

As the Prophecies Fulfill in Paris

Trump tries to prevent the same fate for America   

Reports of rioting and fires in Paris show that the pandering, impotent leaders in France, and in other countries, are effectively complicit in the destruction of their own countries, having also failed to heed the prophetic warnings from Billy Meier.

As Meier wrote in 1981:

“Italy and France will be shaken, due to Sansculottes, who murderously and by arson destroy every order: Paris will be destroyed from within and burnt down. The inhabitants themselves are those, who lay Paris into rubble and ashes via murder, arson and revolution, while Italy also falls due to massacres;”

…and further clarified in 1987:

“258. However, the main objective of the aggressors will be to bring all of Europe under their military control, and for that purpose France will be selected to be the headquarters. France will not only be invaded by the aggressors from the outside, but will also be conquered from within as a result of collaborative forces and other forces.

259. This can be envisioned as being the many foreigners of a different religion living in France at that time, and specifically Islam, which will be this force working from within.”

Overall, the number of criminal immigrants now in Europe, according to the Plejaren, is staggering – a veritable anonymous, largely untraceable army*.

The Law of the Pendulum

Whatever one may think of President Trump, or Alex Jones, they’re right in their caution and concern for the safety of the country, along with terror expert, Philip Hayne, who explains how the government has hidden the reality about terrorism from the American people.

While Trump may not have read the Henoch Prophecies (HP), he seems to be trying to help avert what is foretold:

217. Far in the West, it will be different; the United States of America will be a country of total destruction.

218. The cause for this will be manifold.

219. With its global conflicts which are continuously instigated by it and which will continue far into the future, America is creating enormous hatred against itself, worldwide, in many countries.

220. As a result, America will experience enormous catastrophes which will reach proportions barely imaginable to people of Earth.

221. The destruction of the WTC, i.e., the World Trade Center, by terrorists will only be the beginning.

The critical causative factors – originating with covert and overt US policies from decades ago – are still in play and the law of cause and effect, the law of the pendulum, can’t be cheated. Certain things can still be mitigated; prophecies are warnings of negative things that will occur if people don’t change to a positive course.

In 1958, Billy Meier clearly foretold the worldwide danger of radical Islamist terrorism and pointed out its ancient origins in revenge against Christianity and the Crusades:

83.) And it will be that fanatical Islamists carry out bloody revenge on the distant descendants of the Christians, for their earlier crusades when they accomplish their deadly and destructive acts through irrepressible terror all over the world.

Even so, we must not irrationally target, scapegoat and hate all Muslims who, as Meier also points out, are absolutely not to be confused with the degenerate radical Islamists. As he also states – and we can already see this developing – such unjust thinking and demonization of all Muslims will only cause terrorism to arise from people and groups who allow themselves to be inflamed and stirred up by hate, fear, prejudice, etc. Decades ago, Meier specifically warned of those extremists who would “indiscriminately attack innocent people”. The seeds for this kind of open extremism and backlash are being sown by radicals on the left through their violence and anarchy.

The polarization in this country is already well underway and, if we’re to have any chance of preventing the forewarned coming US civil wars, each of us must regain our own calm and reasonableness.

If we fail to do so, the ultimate result from those wars is the country being broken up into five territories and, according to the HP, “it cannot be prevented that sectarian fanatics will play a dictatorial role.” The violence from the left increases the likelihood that extremists on the right will enter the fray. Cause and effect. Because of various factors pertaining to militias, etc., these territories would probably end up under right-wing Christian control, unless of course the country is so insane as to allow radical Islam, with its barbaric, falsified version** of Sharia law to gain a strong foothold.

This brutal doctrine of radical Islamists heavily abuses and suppresses women, among other things, and is now trendy with dopey American women on the left who have nothing better to do than voluntarily embrace its subjugating, dehumanizing dictates.

Discernment

The fervor with which naive, uninformed do-gooders dispense with all reasonable caution is exemplified by their uncritically embracing illegal immigration as some kind of noble cause, tacitly assuming that everyone who comes into the country illegally is just a “nice”, economically disadvantaged person who, therefore, is entitled to trample the laws of the land…and be rewarded for doing so.

How quickly would they reconsider if “a new law” was mandated that supporters of illegal immigration must take the lawbreakers…into their own homes, regardless of their own living conditions, size of family and living space, etc.? That would include housing any additional family members, or friends, the new tenants want to have join them, as is now actually the case for the country. The costs of housing, feeding and caring for their new…roommates would strictly be borne by them. And we know how long their enthusiasm would last for taking this responsibility.***

The Numbers Game

The futility of immigration as a means to “help people” is shown in this brilliant, reality-based presentation, by Roy Beck, which is so simple and clear that even a radical leftist university professor could understand it. While it illustrates the illogic, futility and self-destructive nature of our immigration policies, it simultaneously shows that the problem is rooted in overpopulation, though there’s no mention of that in the presentation.

Billy Meier also pointed out that when people who are big proponents of these falsely humane policies become the victims of the criminal element, of which the numbers are large, they will also be the ones blaming law enforcement authorities for failing to protect them.

Quiet Before the Storm?

With Trump having trouble with the travel ban, my guess is that the terrorism from “sleepers” in the US will be quiet for a time…while more criminals also get into the country. That way Trump also looks foolish to have been concerned, in addition to being mischaracterized as a racist, Nazi, etc..

This woman, however, has seen the difference firsthand between someone who’s a fanatical dictator and someone who has prioritized protecting his country, as he was charged to do by those who elected him.

What is now being said about Trump “adopting more conventional positions” also confirms what the Plejaren foretold about Trump, in June 2016, when they spoke of his positions being “relativized” after the election. So, while Trump may be the “catastrophic human being”**** the Plejaren characterize him, they also say that he is “otherwise well-meaning and not bad, also in regard to Russia and Putin, with whom he, in an honest wise, wants to strive for a peaceful political, military and economical agreement.”

To Be Determined

It remains to be seen if the American people will recognize and support the best in Trump, or go the way of much of the rest of the world and succumb to suicidal, misguided policies that are, in the final analysis, engineered and promoted by the powerful ones who seek only to exploit, enslave and control the populace…or whatever remains of it after all the destruction that they seek to bring about.

* Sweden recorded a 1472 % increase in rapes and a 300 % increase in violent criminality since it introduced multiculturalism.

** From Meier:

“In the case of the Islamistic terrorists, murder and destruction is carried out in the name of Allah, as well as in the name of the “šari’a” (Shari’ah) which is basically wrongly interpreted by the terrorists and is, so to speak, explained as God’s punishment or God’s judgement, and so forth.

The word namely means something else, because it actually, in no way, relates to a punishment
or punishment regulation, rather, in a completely unspectacular way, a path which leads to the
source is meant thereby.

Briefly explained, the “šari’a” is, truly and principally, based on an extensive Islamic system of law, which essentially is directed towards finding a correct answer to the question of how the human being should live in order to be pleasing to God.

This is to do with this: that the administration of law (huda) which Allah is supposed to have given the human being, indeed through the Qur’an and the example of the prophet Mohammed, should be so orientated that life is made fruitful and that the Islamic believers shall be protected from false steps.

In no way do terror, murder, torture, death and destruction belong to that, nor can they be found in the Qur’an or in some other Islamic religious texts.”

***It seems that some people have already made a similar suggestion to wealthy British author, J.K. Rowling. Perhaps it will be revealed that J.K. stands for, Just Kidding.

****According to Matthew Deagle:

“Billy called him a ‘Katastrophenmensch’, which is incorrectly translated as ‘catastrophic human being’. It means something more like ‘fire and brimstone preacher’ or ‘wannabe action hero’.”

See also:

My Letter to President Trump

Misguided

Misguided, Part 2

The Donald Trump Presidency & the Henoch Prophecies

The Donald Trump Presidency & the Henoch Prophecies, Part 2

The Donald Trump Presidency & the Henoch Prophecies, Part 3

Thanks to Norm DeCindis for the links.

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Jedaiah Ramnarine

@ Michael and everyone, for that matter.

Seems the fanatic groups have begun rising – http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation-now/2017/02/19/right-wing-fringe-group-building-multimedia-empire-near-detroit/98132374/

Yet again adding weight to Meier’s information.

Randy Arena

Know… the IS is coming here in the form of refugees. Much of the problems in the US are said to be happening because of them… and it is going to get worse with time… we need to establish a multinational. peace combat force of three hundred thousand or more. Just being in existence will dissuade those that threaten us as told in our Swiss friends’ prophecies… http://www.theyfly.com/henoch-prophecies

Please heed the warnings unlike what has been happening as of late…

Salome

Corey Müske

To reiterate Randy’s points, the longer we wait for gewaltsame Gewaltlosigkeit = the more war, terrorism, destruction, and hardship will materialize, just as the longer we wait for hunane population reductions = hardship and misery (Billy mentions food and water scarcity in contact 669).

Corey Müske

“hunane” supposed = “humane”. (My darn mistake causing phone [human-error?]).

Corey Müske

The value of human life, and the value of all other life forms (such as plant & animal life) should be the forefront thought in everyone’s mind as paramount importance, as they radiate love out to the outer world. The Creation universal-consciousness creates with logic and love, so strive for both in everything you do.

Ned Duke

The CR translation feels a bit clunky. I think the “katastrophemenschen” part means that his campaign had the feeling of chaos and disaster approaching the US that we need to protect from. Trump did start by making headlines that we needed a wall built and actually went to the border to make that point. So, he campaigned on that motif and not himself directly being a catastrophic human being which is what I think where Ptaah was going with his comments and Trump’s unusual campaigning.

This is what google translated that line when I dumped it in:
“As you have rightly judged him, he is at least a chaos and a disaster man as a campaigner in his election campaign motifs.”

Terry Carch

As I`ve pointed out during the 1907s there was this rumor that Planet Earth will become an agrian society in the future. Trump`s shills are the WORST I`ve ever exsperenced in my entire life and I hope this wilkl end soon becaude not only is Trump icorperated the most corporated and militaristic but Trump is trying to get away with environment protection, getting rid of jpb safety,foodsafety, Dodd Franks,Obamacre, privatizing everything etc, no more clean safe foods, nomore clean safe enery, safe jobs, etc,you name it,as the song goes “Where ahve All the Floiwers Gone, When Will We Ever Learn etc? Trump has violated ever rule and law possible! I wonder just how long this mega mainack will last? Looks to me like the 2 civil wars are just about ready to start which coul lead to a nuclear war if we don`t do something NOW to put an end to this “Frankenstine President Trump and his Mummy shils etc,but hilary could be even worse! Where do we go from here with our bodies intack etc,etc,etc?

Pradesh Kuthrepali

You pointed this out all the way back in 1907. Where I am from we were an agrarian society long before we decided to forecast that we’d be an agrarian society in the future, your text is wasteful but I like you.

Terry Carch

P.S. Trump thinks he`s above the law! I just can`t possibly see how Trump can possibly last not even for one year? But if you impeach Trump, then you get Mike Pence who is the WORST possible in the history of the US! ” This makes Dick Chaney look good!:-((((

Terry Carch

MH URGENT! I just caught somthing from c2c. There are Youtube videos that are show radiation spike in Europ. Please check these vides out: 1. Radiation Spikes in Europe did Russia Just Secretly Test A Nuke? 2. Whio did russia Test Nukes In The Arctic DABOO 77 3. Mysterious nucklear Accident In Europe This must be the one you brought up on They Fly Blog about the French nuclear facility but which one and where? Last but not least Everything Under the Son All on Youtube.

Mike Miller

Still did not get any link to any specific document that would provide definite proof on any detailed predictions that came true. The reply you provided below is a cop-out, as I asked for a reputable independent source such as newspaper, magazine, web page, that is not related to an individual or entity pushing the Billy Meirer story.

Anytime someone tries to avoid or divert from a simple, direct question it raises a big red flag. This is what I see going on here so once again, if you have it, provide the evidence I am asking for or admit this all a hoax. I’m betting I will not get the evidence I am requesting as it does not exist.

“The “some texts” you refer to are in actual books (covers and copyright pages are shown) that firmly establish publication dates (which were always even a bit later in book form because of the realities of book publishing, as opposed to digital formats).”

Mike Miller

Why did someone add the last paragraph below to my last post? If this is a reply by some unknown individual it once again is avoiding my request for some definitive proof.

“The “some texts” you refer to are in actual books (covers and copyright pages are shown) that firmly establish publication dates (which were always even a bit later in book form because of the realities of book publishing, as opposed to digital formats).”

Mike Miller

Yes, you are correct on that one so I will admit my error. However, I have not seen any independent, third party evidence I requested that can verify any specific and detailed predictions in regards to the Billy Meier’s case. I am not asking for references to UFO photos, videos, etc. just to the predictions.

So far, the responses I am getting are no different than the type and tactics used by Christian fundamentalists who believe they also have overwhelming evidence on their side to prove the Jesus Christ story. And let’s face it. There are a lot more of them than you that think they have the proof and any non-believer just needs to wake up and smell the coffee.

They have been able to buy into an perpetrate an elaborate 2000 plus year old hoax so it’s already been proven humans are very susceptible and quite fallible in what they believe. I am only looking for one hard piece of evidence using prior predictions to change my opinion. It either exists or it doesn’t and diverting me to look at something other that what I want is not going to work.

So, one last time. Is there a verifiable newpaper, magazine, web page that lists a detailed prediction that came true or not? There should be but if you can not supply me with a reference than this is the end of the road.

Mike Miller

I’ve read your replies to my last post and again you did not supply valid proof of what I requested.

You can rant all day how obvious and overwhelming the proof is but it’s just not there. Once anyone gets a total picture it becomes clear this is just one giant hoax and I’ll admit, a good one at that.

Unfortunately, there are too many breaks in the dam, from UFO photos and videos that have been easily duplicated, the bogus space gun, photos supposedly aboard a space craft going back in time, female ET photos taken from a TV show off a TV screen, the completely nonsensical story of Jmmanuel, and the list goes on and on. If anyone just focuses on this stuff, they could not help but realize this is a complete hoax. But keep on spewing how the evidence proves beyond a shadow of a doubt that all this is the truth and nothing but the truth. I for one and not buying one second of it.

I will end by saying I am leaving this site no more informed than when I entered, other than being convinced there is nothing here worth viewing. It’s a good story, one nearly equaling the bogus stuff you will find in the bible but with a more modern twist to it and aliens instead of gods.

I am also not sure whether you are just naïve and totally delusional or know the real story and are going along for the ride making a few bucks during the journey. In either case, I’ve seen enough and will get back to reality and investigate those things that seem stranger than fiction that might actually be true. Over and out.

Ian Perry

MH, I don’t waste my time with unintelligent people that cannot do simple research that only needs logic. They are sheep imo.

Timothy Allen Anderson

Considering that I have a hard time finding my own ass with both hands at times, I consider it no small miracle that I managed to find the strangest tipping point when I first started investigating Billy’s story. Michael, I completely agree with your understanding of how people brought up in a religious household may have a difficult time separating themselves from their preconceived “beliefs” in order to grasp the nature of this case. While on one hand it is incredibly simplistic, on the other it is quite amazingly complicated at the same time. While I was reading every contact report I could, sometimes a dozen times I would revisit them simply to be as certain as I could be that I understood what I was reading. Some of the information was far beyond my ability to fully understand, such as the way that Billy determined mathematical equations, but other things were seemingly very benign. It was one of those seemingly benign conversations that was the tipping point for me. I do not have the contact report number on hand, but I seem to recall this conversation took place between Quetzal and Billy in 1987. Billy was having a hard time with money to publish some of his written work when Quetzal offered to show Billy where he could find a very old golden cauldron that was used by the Celts to offer blood sacrifice to their “god of the weather” on their alter on the shores of Lake Chiemsee in Bavaria. The conversation was very descriptive regarding the location, and description of the ornate object. I simply performed a search through the archives of news stories in Der Spiegel magazine and found an article called “The Mystery of the Nazi Holy Grail”, and behold, the article explained who found, where it was found, and what they described that was found to be as close as an exact match for what details Quetzal gave to Billy, right down to the ornate inscriptions on the object. The article was published April 23rd 2007, I had found this contact report and story in Der Spiegel in August of that same year, although the artifact was found in 2001. While I’m certain everyone who has accepted Billy’s story as truth came to that point through different revelations, It was this innocuous conversation about funding that put me over the top as far as understanding how this one man has the answers that I had been hoping to find since my fourth grade teacher read “Chariots of the Gods” to our class during lunch time back in 1973. I don’t know if this will help Mike, but I certainly know he is truly on the precipice of opening the door that will change his life forever.

Andrew Grimshaw

legendary Celtic kingdom of Noricum
http://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/Contact_Report_220#section_2
Scroll down to: Billy, after Quetzal’s 75th line.

Jedaiah Ramnarine

Michael,

You’ve really done a solid work in trying to open his eyes and that is commendable, yet once more, you can only show the door. It’s completely up to them to walk through it. The amount of information and accuracy on Meier’s case is staggering, and to be blunt, it doesn’t even take that much thought or deep critical thinking to see this case is very serious and very, very real.

Religious-minded people tend to think that only Christianity etc. means religious thoughts, while it is equally viable to Atheism as well. Perhaps he will find the answers *he’s specifically looking for* or he might find the truth. That’s honestly up to him.

Gives more weight to Semjase’s words that were about true peace throughout the world can only be attained through individual realizations within of truth.

Jedaiah Ramnarine

Also gives more weight as to why overpopulation makes that last sentence harder!

Diane Grebe

Michael:

Whew! You blew my mind with all this information to check. You must really have a lot of patience. As I am reading all the posts on this blog, I am noticing that there is nothinig from Mike since you have written it. Interesting, but after the time and effort you put into responding to him – nothing. Well maybe he is busy somewhere researching all of this. I hope so for his sake. Kind of like the old saying ‘you can lead a horse to water, but can’t make it drink’. You really tried.

Salome

Pradesh Kuthrepali

Omg Michael, he really pushed you’re buttons there my man, I respect the efforts that you make but I have learnt that if you pressure individuals into it, like the British for example, they pushed the world into civilisation they are still even to this day not ready for, done them no favours, it leads to trouble, but we have good company in billy meiers at least who is a good friend indeed in need and we will try to do our thing until our bodies pack up.

Pradesh Kuthrepali

I mean no disrespect at all I fully support you, I put that out there immediately. Buttons, I mean only that you are passionate and that is a good thing. It is a very complicated elaborate truth that billy meier speaks, and you Michael have been successful in understanding and estimating it correctly, so if someone anyone were to weave their way into its complexity and speak about it wrong you are right with them there and can see their shortcoming. I must admit my buttons are pushed too when individuals limit their scope and become adamant they have discovered something when they have only conveniently limited themselves. You do well Michael I would shake your hand if we met.

Pradesh Kuthrepali

Theres a school shooting avg one per week where mh lives.

Raj Kum

Many many years ago I read about Ebola Virus in the Contact reports …. and I didn’t believe it first but years later I read the news that a new virus has arrived and its named as “Ebola Virus ” ….. That blew me away …. and from then on I started believing in BM’s Contact reports and took it seriously …..

Your ego is making you childish Mike…..

Watch the movie ” sixth sense ” completely then only you can tell how good is the movie …. If you watch it in bits and pieces …. Then no wonder you won’t find anything extraordinary ….

Read the Contact Reports completely then you will see everything were already told and also you will be amazed to see the events happening right in front of you which you have read in the contact reports …..

Matthew Reed

The Trump Administration is considering labeling the Muslim Brotherhood as a terrorist organization.

http://www.npr.org/sections/parallels/2017/02/22/516437938/muslim-brotherhood-mainstream-in-many-countries-may-be-listed-as-terror-group

Jedaiah Ramnarine

Thanks for those articles Matt. What are your thoughts on them?

Matthew Reed

I’m honestly confused about the Muslim Brotherhood. On the one hand, they are religious conservatives/fundamentalists who have been linked to nefarious activities, but on the other hand, like the article says, perhaps going after them will result in blow-back by creating more terrorists than it prevents. As for the Guantanamo Bay article, I’m adamant in my view that it needs to be shut down and serves only to undermine any moral authority the US thinks it might possess. The torture stories emanating from there are horrific and contrary to human rights.

Matthew Reed

Guantanamo Bay is still active. Trump wants to keep it that way. Here’s a good article about the pitfalls of this view:

“Today, 41 detainees remain at Guantanamo. Ten are scheduled to go on trial in military commissions, including the self-proclaimed mastermind of the Sept. 11 attacks, Khalid Sheikh Mohammed. The rest are being held without charge. President Trump has vowed to stop releases.”

http://www.npr.org/2017/02/21/516441733/out-of-gitmo-released-guantanamo-detainee-struggles-in-his-new-home

Sheila Clark

I are so right Matthew, close it up, send them packing, give them some money for their troubles. What could possibly go wrong? This:
https://www.rt.com/uk/378234-suicide-bomber-mosul-guantanamo/

Sheila Clark

Correction: you are

Matthew Reed

Just because someone that was tortured might take revenge for being tortured, doesn’t give you the right to keep torturing them.

Sheila Clark

Matthew, I’m not the one torturing them. You might want to take that up with those that are though. Just showing you the likely outcome of what You Want because no one likes to look at the results of what all those years of torture can do to a person, thinking that somehow they can come out of it normalized.

Matthew Reed

Sheila, I apologize if you thought I meant “you” as in “you personally”. And yes, you stated the point I was originally trying to make: the effect (revenge, increased terrorism) of the cause (the original torture), is called blow-back…therefore, shut down Guantanamo, give fair trials to the detainees and place those found guilty in legal prisons on US soil.

Terry Carch

MH If Trump insist on keeping Guantanamo Bay going then I wonder if there will be more blowback from that too as well as the Muslim Brotherhood? I think there will be even more protest on keeping Guantanamo Bay open but then what will happen if and when Trump decides to do something about ISIS jihadist being put into Guantanamo Bay,wont that spark WW4 etc?

Terry Carch

Sheila, I don`t see how anyone can come out normalized afer all those years at Guantanamo. If anything they will come out so screwed up,messed up and even more determined to kill even more so and Trump thinks waterboarding is fine! Hiow can anybody in there own right sane mind think waterboarding is normal? You tell me!

Timothy Allen Anderson

Mike wasn’t the first and he likely won’t be the last person to claim a photograph of a television set is how the picture of Asket was made. Maybe I just don’t know how to use a 35MM film camera, but I took photography classes in high school and took many screen shots at a t.v. and could never get those shots to look anything like a real photo of a person or object. So I guess I would like to see evidence that this can actually be done.

Taro Istok

My 2-cents. Here’s what we know:

> Meier’s explanation is that most if not all space trip photos were hijacked by the MiB.
> This explanation is supported by the original investigation. Wendelle Stevens verified external tampering of Meier’s film rolls.

1) From UFO Contact From The Pleiades: A Preliminary Investigation Report:

“We checked the exposed film through its processing routing stages and verified the processing logs, which showed that every roll of film received from Meier and his friends was developed and returned, mostly by mail. We were told, and witnesses supported this, that much of the exposed film, over 30% of it, never came back from processing. Our investigation showed that the disappearance must have taken place in the mail system— an unusually high loss rate for any public service, which in itself raises many questions.”

2) From “LETTER FROM A SECURITY AGENT”, UFO Contact From The Pleiades:

“In the other book on Billy there was a big deal about the films, and having them tested. In one specific incident the film tested was believed to be a copy, and not the original negative as Billy thought. Sorry about that. The way we got copies of Billy’s pictures was by paying off the man who handled the film processing for Billy. The man simply ordered a second set of pictures for us, and a second copy of the negatives, at an attractive profit, and the man often had copies made for himself. In a couple of cases we took the original copy of the negative, for the type of lab checks that you wanted to make.

We also sent some garbage film through to the same processing company by the same store, under Billy’s name, to keep the boys doing the film processing honest. We did establish that there was a little hankey pankey going on at the processing plant, and/or in the mail some place. Someone else was getting off with the first copy of the negatives most of the time. Several times, according to the experts, our copy of the negative would be about the fifth one.

All intelligence communities are well aware that vast volumes of bull shit comes and goes in the UFO contactee game, as part of turf (dekke) but pictures make strong evidence, which is almost impossible to fake. Because pictures are the quickest way to find who in fact is telling the truth, they often get stolen. Or, why screw around with the bullshit, when the proof is in the film. The Intelligence gathering people are also aware of how to intercept mail, and bribe (bestikke) store owners. When the bribe was set up we did not know how agreeable Billy was going to be about passing out samples.”

> All Meier’s space trip photos are blurry. Considerably more blurry than his hundreds of pristine UFO images. This is significant for at least two reasons:

1) It introduces a critical question: Why would Meier deliberately supply images that can eventually be uncovered while providing irreproducible UFO evidence?
2) Blurry images are more difficult to distinguish between the memory of photo opportunities and fakes planted to resemble original prints never seen by the photographer.

> All people in his space trip images are unrecognizable with the exception of DellaFave(“Asket”).
> Meier’s explanation for the resemblance between Asket and DellaFave is plausible(look-a-likes are commonplace).
> There is evidence for two tapings of that particular Dean Martin episode. Meier’s #109, #110, #111 were taken from one of two broadcasts(U.S. & Europe, according to Golddiggers Super Site).
> Acceptable 35mm photos taken from television sets of that era were notoriously difficult to capture.

The most likely explanation is that Meier was deliberately set up to reveal planted images by a person or persons making a considerable effort to capture suitable images from a 1971 television broadcast.

Matt Knight

Well said Taro.

Another painfully obvious question skeptics are unable to even formulate, less answer, is, “Which Dean Martin show could [an aspect of] Meier’s Asket & Nera photographs have reasonably come from?” as that is the skeptics’ foremost charge.

Focusing only on those parts of Meier’s photos that look as if they came from a Dean Martin show, are there ANY frames in any specific Dean Martin show, that look like they could have been used as source material? Having identified, watched and studied the whole Dean Martin episode in question, frame-by-frame, there is NOT ONE specific frame, in any televised Dean Martin episode that could have been directly used as source image for any Meier’s Asket and Nera photos.

Mahesh’s site and no other self-styled “skeptic” has been able to identify that source image, either – only, show resemblances. If not one single frame from the televised DM episode could have been used, where did Meier get these exclusive photos of Dean Martin and the singers from? Reasoning further, is it likely that these photos were taken during rehearsals of an episode of a Dean Martin episode? Did anyone establish if there was a photographer at the rehearsals for the show?

The argument could be made that Meier did not know there would be repercussions from his US intelligence/media connections sending him photos, but, then, why is he not loaded and promoted worldwide by those same allies, with the clear resources to do so? If Meier knows people that can help him produce real UFO photos that can pass all tests, why, the sloppy, rushed job on the Asket and Nera photos when there was no pressing, external, need for this oversight [except if Meier is telling the truth]?

More info here: http://forum.figu.org/us/messages/12/6871.html?1179162112

Taro Istok

A Dean Martin episode IS the most likely source for images #109, #110, #111. However, this is merely evidence that SOMEONE captured images from a broadcast. If in fact the MiB were involved they may very well have had the technology to glean the images directly from the broadcast signal rather than a CRT screen or had a display-monitor far superior to what was commercially available at that time. Another possibility was they recorded the broadcast and captured specific frames at their leisure. In any case, as already pointed out there are too many unresolved, critical questions to implicate Meier as guilty of hoax.

The evidence for at least a 2nd taping of episode #170 of the Dean Martin show exists in the one currently available:

https://youtu.be/x6edQVowYLA

2:51 framing closest to that of #109 and #111(L-R: Michelle DellaFave, Susan Lund, Wanda Bailey)
3:36 framing closest to that of #110(L-R: Michelle DellaFave, Wanda Bailey)
4:54 framing closest to that of #109(Dean Martin)
6:58 Michelle DellaFave with a 3rd hair adjustment and seating change
7:00 Susan Lund with hair adjustment and seating change
7:08 Dean Martin with costume change(red sweater with white collared shirt as seen in #109), Wanda Bailey with hair behind shoulders as seen in #109, #110 and #111

According to “The Golddiggers Super Site” the Dean Martin episode containing the “concert medley finale” was broadcast twice, Jan 28, 1971 and again on Feb 25, 1971. They provided DellaFave with the screencap she passed on to Bartholomaus:

http://billymeierufocase.com/asketdeconstruction.html

This screencap also shows the performers’ hair and seating matching that of Meier’s originals and was taken from a video tape of the January broadcast(the YouTube video is from the February broadcast). The January video tape is from a 3rd party and unfortunately, Golddiggers Super Site has not responded to a request from me to pass along a message to the owners for a copy. I was hoping to attempt to duplicate #109, #110 and #111 with an old CRT TV and an old school 35mm film camera. Just a note, the overlapping images in #109 match that of a crossfade seen in the Feb (YouTube) episode. I’ve duplicated this image overlap using a digital camera and an old CRT which is another reason I’m confident there were two very similar tapings of the same episode segment.

In any case, Meier’s space trip photos, including the “Asket” photos are a dead-end when all evidence is considered objectively. It reveals more about the researcher citing it as evidence than it does about Meier himself.

Pradesh Kuthrepali

You People will be arguing about this still in the same format in 300 years time. It’s been specially engineered to loop, works better for learning that way.

Matt Knight

Those shows you refer to do not provide the source material to produce the chin, nose and left (our right) eye as seen in Meier’s photo. Doubt the first broadcast does either as although you could not get a copy to verify this – sense tells us that the skeptics would have found this and produced the evidence.

No dead-end then, as inconvenient that may be to and “You People” may just figure this all out in 300 years Pradesh whilst you take time chasing others apparently chasing their tails to you.

Matthew Deagle

Michael Horn is a sharp knife. You can’t argue with Michael.

The whole ‘Dean Martin’ thing and the rest of the dubious skepticisms are however a total insignificance which only serves to demonstrate the stupidity of the ‘skeptics’. They are hopeless pathological liars and should be banned rather than argued with. They will always deny, even if a beamship lands on their lawn. They are living in a fantasy.

Taro Istok

The episode in question is currently unavailable(to me, anyway). However, judging from the evidence I’ve pointed to, it IS the most probable source:

> All three female performers’ hairstyles in the image DellaFave/Supersite supplied match what is seen in Meier’s #109, #110, #111.
> Martin’s clothes seen in the end credits of the available episode match #109.
> When I tested the double image in #109 using the available episode, Martin’s face overlaps Lund’s as it does in #109.
> The stage set behind all performers in the available episode matches that of #109, #110, #111.

Everything points to multiple tapings of the same performance with hair and costume changes. Is this really surprising, though? It’s a dead-end for those who wish to use it as reasoned proof of hoax. Even if the source images can be proven to have come from a Dean Martin episode, it does not prove Meier is responsible for them when there is clear evidence his film rolls were intercepted. Film rolls that disappear in the mail can re-appear with planted images.

The Asket photo affair is often used as a distraction from Meier’s hundreds of clear UFO images. And there are many people who choose to look no further if the subject is not presented properly. Also, I’m not one to pretend something does not exist. As Pradesh alluded to(at least I think he did), the controversy was deliberate. I personally think this one slipped through and was unintentional. However, the debate does stimulate thinking.

Yes, some “skeptics” are clearly pathological liars. And there are many feeble minds who accept their lies without question. I’d like to think of myself as the antidote.