Fear of going out of business trumps preventing the spread of ISIS, the fulfillment of Meier’s other prophecies and even the possible danger to their own lives
I recently spoke with someone in the MUFON organization who is actually concerned with the real world, unlike many people who involve themselves with “researching” UFOs. In fact, she was extremely concerned about the spread of ISIS, or the IS. Her fears are not unfounded of course but she was unaware of how MUFON’s suppression of the Billy Meier UFO case helped the spread of ISIS.
It began in 1953 – 16 years before MUFON was founded – when Asket told Meier:
70. But the fight for the truth will be very hard because you will have to fight against the lack of understanding and lack of reason of sectarian ufological groups, and so forth, who are strongly anchored in the religious and in pseudo-sciences.
71. In regard to that, take note especially of the coming worldwide organisation for ufological work, MUFON, because – along with various pathological know-it-alls and slanderers of truth – it will be your greatest adversary.
A Variation on Planned Obsolescence
In fact, for decades MUFON has gone to great lengths to suppress, ignore and ridicule the Meier case, since it’s the only scientifically proven, still ongoing extraterrestrial contact case and, therefore, extremely bad for a business that relies on speculation about unsubstantiated and inconclusive evidence and information in order to keep going.
It also relies on unscientific procedures and curious but unqualified “investigators” contributing to the now often deservedly marginalized, disinformation laden field of UFOlogy, where suddenly everybody and their grandmother is an “alien abductee”, “experiencer”, “contactee”, or similarly hysterical, delusional participant. Interestingly enough, if you point out the great unlikelihood (and lack of credible evidence) that anyone is being abducted by “aliens”, these people get very mad at the notion that they’re not victims of some nefarious, intergalactic plot. Go figure.
More Let’s Pretend
As I also pointed out, in order to stay in business, MUFON has to make sure that neither it, nor anyone, else finds what they pretend to be looking for. I’ll again state the otherwise rarely mentioned idea that if extraterrestrials exist and are actually visiting this planet, there must be a reason for it. I’ve also stated that it wouldn’t be for us to chase lights-in-the-sky, or to create careers for so-called “UFO experts”.
The fact that the Meier case is overflowing with the actual reason as it pertains to our future survival – in more than 26,000 pages of remarkable information published by Meier for over 65 years – is precisely why MUFON and other organizations also seek to suppress it, at what we can now see has been unimaginably costly to humankind. They’re right up there with the multi-millennial, mind-enslaving machinations of…religion in imprisoning progress and the development of consciousness and self-responsibility, which are key elements of the Meier information. In fact, some in MUFON behave in a very overt, cult-like manner to even prevent presentations on the Meier case.
I began pointing out MUFON’s complicity in the UFO community and industry disinformation game almost six years ago on this blog and years before in various presentations. Their credibility as a serious UFO research organization wasn’t helped by the Lizard Lady, or by what their then new director, Jan Harzan, said three years ago. A few months later I began to contact Harzan in order to develop a dialogue with him about the Meier case, since he already accidentally acknowledged its authenticity; I reported our first signs of progress some months after that. Coincidentally, one day later, I published this warning.
If Only
Imagine what may have taken place in the world if only the most prominent UFO investigating organization had publicly announced its interest in exploring the voluminous, already authenticated evidence in the Meier case. After all, the discovery of credible evidence for actual extraterrestrial contact would be the single most important event in human history, notwithstanding the many decades’ long attempt to turn it into mere entertainment, one of MUFON’s other priorities.
Not entirely unexpectedly, my enthusiasm for seeming progress with MUFON in openly and honestly actually investigating and reporting on the Meier case would be dampened by the reality of its rigid refusal to do so, based undoubtedly on its real, unchanged agenda and ties to governmental and intelligence agencies. This was independently echoed and embellished upon by our friend Joe in this video, when he further explained how people who report on UFOs are actually assisting research in product development for the secret military.
As a clear example of the cynicism of MUFON’s bureaucratic indifference to the truth, on August 12, 2014, I received this terse response from Robert Powell, Director of Research at MUFON, to my email asking to interview him regarding his research into Meier’s abundant, authenticated UFO photos, films, etc., much of which I had already personally forwarded to him:
“I am swamped currently with tasks related to the study of UFOs. I have not had a chance to look at the information that you have sent me and I do not anticipate having the time in the near future.”
That’s right, he was too busy studying UFOs to look at Meier’s evidence, etc. Do you still have any doubts that you’re on Planet Suicidally Stupid?
In October 2014, I was already asking, “How different would all of our lives have been had MUFON promoted free access to the Billy Meier UFO case?”, which I now claim was a very warranted concern in regards to what has happened concerning ISIS.
While Asket forewarned Meier, in 1953, of MUFON’s coming adversarial role, only five years later, in 1958, Meier foretold:
83.) And it will be that fanatical Islamists carry out bloody revenge on the distant descendants of the Christians, for the earlier crusades when they accomplish their deadly and destructive acts through irrepressible terror all over the world.
The People Were Warned
Meier didn’t stop there, as we also reported in articles like this, linking back to information we’d published in 2005, and which I’d already included in my 2004 DVD, The Meier Contacts – The Key to Our Future Survival, a pertinent clip from which I also included in When Truth Prevails.
But the Director of Research and everyone else at MUFON were too busy “studying UFOs” to notice that the reason for the only actual, authentic UFO contacts were centered around helping us to assure our own very threatened future survival. They were certainly too busy, in November 2014, to notice or care about the unprecedented call to arms by Meier and the Plejaren, or this warning four days earlier, that we risked being plunged back into the Dark Ages by the genocidal psychopaths of the IS.
Even so-called UFO researchers with scientific backgrounds affiliated with MUFON – and with generations of family members to be concerned about – opt to peddle books and babble on about “aliens” and “flying saucers”, perpetuating the real cover-up that has now resulted in helping ISIS to spread, worldwide. Lest the publicity hungry Stephen Bassett and his nonsensical “exopolitics” disinformation organization feel slighted, they too are complicit in this self-serving, profit-oriented, disinformation-spewing, essentially suicidal cynicism as well.
Now You Know Why
And so when asked several months ago, “Why hasn’t Jan Harzen had MUFON officially investigate the Meier case?”, the answer remains that their fear of going out of business trumps preventing the spread of ISIS, the fulfillment of Meier’s other prophecies and even the possible danger…to their own lives.
NOTE: Of course UFO researchers aren’t alone in their ignorance, profit-seeking and complicity in allowing this unchecked spread of “irrepressible terror all over the world” as Meier has recently again explained, along with how we risk being pushed in to a major world war by US policies, which are also central to the cover-up of the Meier case. Add to this the complicity of various governments, leaders and business leaders who all benefit fro the ISIS financially…at last for now.
For bad measure, there’s also the shamelessly superficial and pseudo-scientific ASU CSI and their (well-funded) cartoon cult contributions to clobbering consciousness and protecting their students from such dangerous things as the Meier case.
May we also please recognize and understand that our lives and our fates aren’t determined, remedied, or salvaged by some imaginary, cloud inhabiting cult deity but by our own thoughts, feelings and actions?
People sell out their country and their own real interests, in all sorts of ways, all the time. In fact, the husband of the current power-hungry, incapable-of-uttering-the-truth, contestant for the US presidency set a lot of this in motion almost 20 years ago. Ya gotta love politics and its ceaselessly profit and advantage seeking imbecility, all in defiance of the immutable law of cause and effect.
And remember, this is America and…anything for a buck.
I have a question. Was the Meier material also sent to APRO and CUFOS (which existed before MUFON). Your assertion that MUFON has been responsible for the spread of ISIS is not only absurd, it’s irresponsible. If MUFON had gotten behind the Meier case initially, what would be changed now? How would such response impact the beliefs of ISIS followers in any way, shape, or form. I would like to see anything in the ISIS material where it’s said “We’re doing what we’re doing against the USA because MUFON didn’t like Billy Meier’s material.” You and I have spoken on the phone and I agree that the Billy Meier case would do well with a new, up-to-date investigation by MUFON. I ask that you keep your statements within reason. For anyone reading this, I am the current Chief Investigator for Missouri MUFON.
What may well have been changed now is that a much, much broader and deeper investigation into the evidence and information in the Meier case would have been undertaken not only by MUFON but by other people, scientists and various leaders included, who would have seen that there was sufficient evidence for a major investigation to be undertaken by an organization whose reason for being has to do with the UFO/extraterrestrial existence issue!
Not only that but then the discovry of Meier’s voluminous, specific, prophetically accurate information would have been delved into. What do people think it’s there for? Obviously, a far more advanced race, and individual, have been trying to WARN us for decades about the deep hole that we’ve dug ourselves into.
What do people think that contact with an ET would be centered around, our…entertainment, sports, celebrities, brilliant ways in which we annihilate our planet and each other (the latter indeed being an element of concern)?
MUFON is right at the top for its irresponsible, cynical, ridiculous, profit-oriented exploitation of the overall topic…and its DELIBERATE suppression of the only authentic case, which has been, repeatedly, offered to them on a silver platter.
Really, with MUFON’s top executives being drawn from various industries, sciences…and intelligence agencies, don’t YOU think that sincere, credible people would jump at the opportunity to have the Meier case and, having cross-checked the accuracy of the information in it, at least started to HELP warn the people of Earth?
And maybe in your role as a Chief Investigator you’ll share with all of us the results of what you’ve investigated…and what you haven’t.
P.S. It’s not so much about changing the beliefs of ISIS followers, it’s about recognizing the impeccable accuracy and credibility of Meier’s prophetic warnings…including his recommendation from November 2014 for an international military force of at least 300,000 to put them down and PREVENT the otherwise certain fulfillment of their agenda to spread terror worldwide.
Okay, let’s say, for sake of discussion, that what you expected MUFON to have done, they did. How much impact to do think MUFON would have had with the pubilc at that time in history?
Joe,
For the moment I’m going to let others respond to that question. I’ll comment later though.
Hello,
It seems less important to what they did then to what they continuously don’t do now….. honestly, self responsibly investigate the Meier case! As an investigator it would seem pertinent to see it through and not rely solely on others to do ones own work?
Though I cannot speak for anyone else yet see what a positive chain reaction could and still can take place between MUFON and the case they seem to just, not want to touch without a lie and a smirk…. let alone step away from their beliefs towards, on the weekend, after church, football, time to relax with the family….
Seems as is already stated that MUFON stands for nothing more than another tentacle of the entertainment based phantasmagoria that rules the day.
How can an organization that fancies itself all things ‘UFO’, ‘E.T.’ not go deeper into it at its most extreme case? Less to me it seems great that it has been ignored up to a certain point by MUFON, as it probably would have fallen to the abyss, like the rest of the garbage entertainment that seems to represents its agenda.
Let me tell you.
If you had put some of your investigators onto the Billy Meier case …
First of all, you’d have respect.
But more than that, you’d have opened up the doors for so many intelligent minds to get their hands on that diamond of all diamonds in the rough.
We’re out there, some of us busting our asses, but all of us trying to make an actual difference on this crazy planet we call home … and in order to wake up into that responsibility, we needed the right nudge first.
Yet you are denying people that opportunity, and keep on denying good, sensible folks that opportunity … Just so you can all pretend to be freaking Mulder from the X-files, and perhaps because you can’t stand the thought that you lose a few subscriptions as some folks naturally gravitate over to our side, since they were already meant to do that before they fell into the trap of putting on a stupid trench coat and believing that the best they could ever expect from themselves, was to play-pretend their own stupid X-files production.
So yeah, if one of your kind was to at least meet us half way, and leave even just a passing remark on the Billy case … well, let me tell you the facts: you’d barely lose more than a few percent of your fanbase … and a lot more folks would end up joining the real fight, where they are really needed.
“If MUFON had gotten behind the Meier case initially, what would be changed now?”
Really??
Because by now perhaps hundreds of millions, even billions of people around the world would be familiar with Billy Meiers information. An informed population can shape foreign policy and our preparedness. Had Billy’s advice been followed, IS would no longer exist.
Bravo.
What really gets me is how much this makes sense now after watching this video. At one end we can see why so many are not willing to go further and up to recently, has been harder for many to make their own determination without extensive costs, hardships.
I am personally amazed at how little Wendell actually knows beyond the physical evidence…. processes to analyze these things exposed within this film? Whilst seems the main tenants are brushed aside just as all these other ‘investigatory groups’ have done in the past, for profit, or lack thereof.
Now one would think MUFON would have all the money it could ever need to finally do what it couldn’t… so long ago. Though at this point it does seem futile as it is not up to just some organization to do as much as every individual willing to self responsibly, neutrally look at what is abundantly available.
Its not like our own future survival may depend on it…. At some point more people may put it all together…. As has slowly happened as the things talked about by Billy Meier continuously come and go.
Joe then why not actually find out if Michael’s statement is true or false by thoroughly investigating the Billy Meier contact case to see where the penny drops.
Why aren’t you if you are the chief investigator.
Wasn’t this title given to someone who investigates? No?
Because I’m physically stuck where I’m at and this case has already been investigated by the late Lt. Col. Wendelle Stevens and friends who sold their material to a Japanese group for the world to be able to see. Did you know that? Check out my 1999 interview with Lt. Col Stevens at https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jJW-g5yO3TY .
Joe,
In the video where you ask Stevens something like, “How do we know if the contact information is accurate?”, apparently you didn’t click on any of the links in this blog, nor did you do any real research into:
http://www.theyfly.com/corroboration-evidence
http://www.theyfly.com/prophecies-predictions
…and obviously you’re also indicting MUFON, its competence, professionalism, its…very reason for being since it’s completely failed to do anything even remotely resembling research and investigation. Please tell us just WHAT MUFON is actually in the…BUSINESS of doing, other than shilling for the intelligence industry and encouraging nice little people to run around chasing-lights-in-the-sky, feeling self-important and sucking up all the oxygen in the room while it continues to suppress the only scientifically proven, still ongoing (over 74 years) UFO contact case.
Why isn’t someone like YOU overturning the tables in the temple of these profiteers and charlatans? Did all you MUFON members just join a friendly little club so that you could participate in trivializing the most important true story, event, discovery, content, evidence, etc., etc., etc., in human history? Why aren’t you outraged at how the chance to find the TRUTH has been co-opted by the powers that be with retired business execs and intelligence agency people making it into a three-ring circus?
As I’ve often asked: “NOW THAT YOU KNOW, WHAT WILL YOU…DO?”
Joe Palermo,
Wendelle supports the Meier case in your interview, so, why are you stuck? Is it on the funding issue?
Good on Wendelle for his creative business skills & in putting that investigation together, investing his own money. On a budget, Wendelle gained access the best laboratory-standard equipment and technicians to prove the photos & sounds were not fakes & he achieved that.
It didn’t take any money for the leaders of MUFON to have said something about that evidence, or, the shoddy work of GSW & it doesn’t take money for you to tell your MUFON members about that now. You have it on tape after all! Instead you seem happier to promote information about Wendelle’s business deals. That’s like not looking at the Mona Lisa cause the guard is looking at you funny.
Why don’t you (& MUFON) promote the real research from Wendelle’s team that proved that the Meier case was real and let others interested in the subject know this? It’s free after all so no business deals have to be done to support the evidence. MUFON’s consistent failure to do this prompts the question: Why? Let’s see what you do…
Excellent interview.
Meier’s uniquely detailed UFO photos actually resulted in NEW technologies for SCIENTIFIC UFO research. Stevens goes into detail about it at 11:47:
“You can detect motion in a flat two-dimensional still picture.”
He describes the discovery of a Doppler effect where they found pixels were compressed at the front of the object and stretched at the back. This only happened once state-of-the-art was able to give them the 1/10 of a micron computer aperture window they needed to transfer enough data to see this.
You would think an organization that studies UFOs with
“an eye towards scientific breakthroughs”
would be interested in something like this. But all MUFON has is a copy/paste of Wikipedia:
http://www.mufon.com/billy-meier—1964—present.html
I’m curious, Joe. What was MUFON’s reaction to this interview?
“Was the Meier material also sent to APRO and CUFOS (which existed before MUFON).”
How does this change MUFON’s role in deliberately suppressing the Meier case?
“Your assertion that MUFON has been responsible for the spread of ISIS is not only absurd, it’s irresponsible.”
How MUFON Helped the Spread of ISIS.
It’s right in the title. Suppressing the Meier case = suppressing Meier’s warnings. MUFON is not SOLELY responsible but they certainly HELPED.
“If MUFON had gotten behind the Meier case initially, what would be changed now?”
MUFON was founded in ’69. The Meier case became public knowledge with the Elders’ investigation in the late 70’s. If MUFON had performed an honest and thorough investigation into the Meier case when they “initially” became aware of it, more people would have given Meier’s warnings serious consideration rather than dismiss the entire case a hoax as MUFON implied if not outright stated. The more people that are aware of a threat, the greater the chance of mitigating it.
“How would such response impact the beliefs of ISIS followers in any way, shape, or form.”
Such a response could have reached individuals with the ability to influence ISIS recruiting tactics long before many of these recruits were even born. Politicians, celebrities, imams, anti-terrorist organizations etc., etc…
“I would like to see anything in the ISIS material where it’s said ‘We’re doing what we’re doing against the USA because MUFON didn’t like Billy Meier’s material.’ “
This demand suggests absolute thinking patterns. Is this typical of MUFON investigators?MUFON’s role in spreading ISIS does not necessarily need to be in any direct form to have been significant.
“I agree that the Billy Meier case would do well with a new, up-to-date investigation by MUFON”
New and up-to-date? You make it sound like anything MUFON has done with the Meier case can legitimately be referred to as “investigation”. Nothing significant has changed since MUFON first knew about Meier 40 years ago. Why has MUFON not investigated this case yet? Have you brought this up with your superiors? Have you considered conducting your own investigation? I’m quite sure MUFON brass would shut you down. I am however curious to know what sketchy reason they would give you to stop.
” Nothing significant has changed since MUFON first knew about Meier 40 years ago.”
Just to clarify, I meant nothing significant with respect to MUFON’s mission statement which includes:
“an eye towards scientific breakthroughs”
My sincerest apologies, I’m not thinking straight. Although nothing has changed with the Elders’ investigation(i.e. its validity has not changed), there is continually new scientific corroboration of Meier’s claims. So, in fact MUFON has very much catching up to do.
The Pope’s no longer in town so I guess…we’ll have to forgive you.
No need. I just use this:
http://www.ship-of-fools.com/gadgets/pope/174.html
Shower, dissolve and absolve.
Joe Palermo,
I will use simple, starightforward language in this reply. Please do not confuse my simple post, and simple language, with my being simple.
Human beings are the most powerful creatures on this planet, because they may exert the greatest change. No problem, easy idea.
The changes brought about by human beings depend mostly on how those human beings think. No problem, easy idea.
Therefore, the unfolding of events on this planet are tied directly to the patterns of thought inherent to the local human population. Also an easy idea.
Now, if you look at the writings of Billy Meier, you find two main things relevant to this discussion. The first is that it contains secular teachings of philosophy and what we call “spirituality” that are very effective in bringing about positive thinking in human beings, the effect of which is the creation of greater levels of social coherence, harmony, conflict minimization, and, generally, peacefulness.
The second thing you find is a lot of information on the things we call “UFO”s, which then makes makes the case MUFON’s business.
When you tie those two ideas together, you may, somewhat fairly, that the level of peacefulness on this planet is directly correllated with the amount of public discourse regarding the Meier case, which itself is derivatively correlated by the actions of MUFON.
In other words, the more MUFON examines Meier, the more peacefulness manifesting on this planet, while the less MUFON examines Meier, the less peacefulness manifesting on this planet.
There is an interesting idea in philosophy regarding rightful behaviour by powerfully dominant people and organizations that, in short, says that if you are an organization that is so powerfully dominant that you are the leader in your field, then you become duty bound to act as a responsible, socially conscious leader.
Moral human beings have absolutely no choice in this. When you reach that level of power, you become bound by duty. Bound by duty to lead.
MUFON was duty bound to lead the investigation into anything UFO related, to make decisions even handedly, responsibly, dispassionately, and by weight of evidence only. As the leader of a field, this was not a choice – it was duty.
So. When we examine the behaviour of MUFON, we clearly see that the organization covered cases by the value weight of sensation, rather than the value weight of evidence.
This then means that when MUFON ignored the peacefulness producing case that is Meier’s, it meant that unpeacefulness was allowed to manifest, one of those manifestations being ISIS, which in turn tied MUFON to the ISIS manifestation due to dereliction of the duty incumbent upon MUFON by dint of dominance in the field of UFOlogy.
Now, I don’t want to insult you, Mr Joe Palermo, but if you are really the “Chief Investigator for Missouri MUFON”, and did not have the reasoning skills to put this chain of ideas together, then I might be absolutely wrong. It may be that MUFON is not just derelict in its duty, but unfit to lead by reason of massive incompetence.
I’ll make this equally simple for you. You give waaaaayyyyy too much power to MUFON of the time you refer to. And I can tell you now that MUFON didn’t have anywhere near the network to make much of an impact on anybody. Only because of Hangar One and some internet radio programs is MUFON becoming more recognizable as a term. I have perfectly good reasoning skills, sir, and don’t play the game of “I don’t want to insult you.” We both, and anyone who reads this will too, know better. If you REALLY believe that this article points a proper finger at MUFON regarding ISIS, then there’s nothing I can say that you’re going to agree with. Sorry.
Joe Palermo,
Since we both have perfectly good reasoning skills, let’s talk about what is really going on here.
I notice that you keep on saying “the MUFON of the time”, and prefer to talk about ISIS than you do about the potential reality of a UFO case.
MUFON in its past and present form had a responsibility to investigate cases according to proper designation of value weight. The “Chief Investigator” of the present Missouri MUFON is making excuses as to why the old MUFON, and the organizations that gave rise to MUFON, did not assign proper weight to a case, as well as making statements about its role in producing ISIS, rather than putting all aside and investigating the case itself.
These are the actions of a political or public relations body, not an investigatory body.
Now, in regards to who is insulting whom – you came to this place claiming a title. Michael Horn and George M are not speaking to Mister Palermo, but rather, Chief Investigator Palermo.
Michael Horn and others have asked you to investigate, in your capacity as Chief Investigator, whereupon you have done nothing but act as a public relations agent, which is an insult to anyone of intelligence.
Then, you said that benefit would be derived from a new, up-to-date investigation by MUFON, of a case that has hundreds of the best ever pictures of flying objects ever taken, that has been explained in detail in a multitude of books and writings by the taker of the photographs, available on the internet of all things.
Simultaneous, several entire websites are devoted to the case, concurrent with multiple third party analyses of specifics – such as reflection light backscatter in the “wedding cake” craft, and analysis of pendulumic behaviours – all of which may be found on things like Google.
It begs the question, Chief Inspector Palermo – is it possible for you to even perform an “investigation” at this point, or should we call such an action by what it is – a book report.
You stand there calling yourself “Chief Inspector”, when the best you could do is emulate a high school child, reporting on the investigations of others, of which many of those are also investigations on investigations.
I am again insulted, Chief Inspector Palermo, even as you stand there telling me “not to play the game of I don’t want to insult you”.
I don’t know how you can stand the shame of it. Calling yourself Chief Inspector, and agreeing that a new up-to-date MUFON book report is due, while playing the politician about whose fault this or that is.
What do you have to say to that, librarian?
Hi Joe Palermo,
Get to know… another… Joe: https://youtu.be/hQKjdXqmEyo
…& Billy’s information to understand how MUFON assists secret military groups to create worldwide fear of ET, the Universe, life, etc., which leads to the rise of extremist philosophies, groups, wars, etc.
“One of the reasons behind the snickering and a tendency to ignore UFO sightings… is primarily the sectarian would-be UFO contactees who, through their absurdities and inanities, paint the entire gamut of this UFO phenomenon with the glittering aspect of absurdity.”
Source: http://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/FIGU_Bulletin_002
More about how ‘Little Grays’ are, “Earth humans who are hypnotically and surgically converted…” in Billy’s Contact Report 441…
“In particular, these small groups carry out premeditated abductions which are credited ostensibly to the extraterrestrials, as well as, however, also simulated appearances of alleged extraterrestrial flying craft, which are then collectively declared to be extraterrestrial UFO appearances and are often observed, photographed and filmed by many people.”
“Insbesondere führen die kleinen Gruppen vorsätzliche Entführungen durch, die angeblich auf das Konto Ausserirdischer gehen, wie aber auch simulierte Erscheinungen angeblich ausserirdischer Flugkörper, die dann allgemein als ausserirdische UFO-Erscheinungen deklariert und oft von vielen Menschen beobachtet, photographiert und gefilmt werden.”
Source: http://www.futureofmankind.co.uk/Billy_Meier/Contact_Report_441
Michael was this hyperlink ‘almost 20 years ago’ a mistake?
I don’t think so, it was showing that Clinton sold out US technology to the Chinese. I remember when it was first announced.
OK now I get it thanks
Who’s wealthy by now? Does anybody have a lucrative strongbox saved up?
I don’t. Not yet.
But, I’m just putting an idea out there, in the spirit of brainstorming . . .
What if we just … offered to fund one of those maybe-open-minded MUFON folks, in exchange for looking into the case? Ya know . . . speak the same language as ’em.
There’s gotta be at least one person in that organisation who will listen to the phrase “quid pro quo”.
Or … take a look here: http://www.mufon.com/donate.html
For $5,000 … one of us could even sit down to breakfast with the MUFON executive director for a face-to-face conversation. Would you be interested in that, MH? You’ve got lots and lots of articulation and presentation experience. So I’m sure you could knock that conversation out of the ballpark.
I really couldn’t give much financially for this particular mission. I have about $200 to my name, and still subside on welfare cheques along with the help of a very helpful and benevolent friend who supports me financially.
But, I think it is worth a shot. What could it hurt to try?
If you agree, I’ll chip in $200 at the end of the month, since that leaves me with a bit to get by. I could even do a bit more, if I make some contacts and set up a few art deals online …
…..
And, if BREAKFAST might not be your thing, the lesser option ($1,500 donation) WOULD land one of us this opportunity:
Private Benefactor reception at the MUFON Symposium with speakers, Executive Director and MUFON Board of Directors
… it could be a potential “in”, that makes a bigger splash than trying to convince ‘em through emails. Instead of trying to wear away at em one at a time … could make a big splash and grab all their attention at once. What do you all suppose?
Oops. Well, it looks like my sinister plot might be exposed now anyway.
So, what do you think? To post it up, or not to post? ‘Cause I sure as heck wouldn’t want some armchair skeptic to become the next Karl Korf and release the “oh so manipulative tactics of that evil group FIGU”. It really IS too bad that we couldn’t have somewhere private to discuss these kinds of options – an online headquarters of sorts.
But maybe I can work something out in that regard, so we could all share ideas without eavesdroppers.
I don’t think such an investment is, or would be, necessary for any real, sincere investigator(s).
Nobody paid any of you, or me for that matter, to discover the truth for ourselves. And we didn’t run around with a big banner PRETENDING that finding the truth about UFOs and extraterrestrial life was our…business.
You are beyon…
NOTE: I was going to say “He’s back!” but just a couple of words convinced me that just a few…letters are sufficient to publish.
Would hard sell be better off than say soft sell MH? Maby if we did a You Tube casual sit down and just talk like Joe did on You Tube last summer maby that would look and sound more convicing and get the audience real attention and start taking Billy Meier more seriously. This is just an Idea.
I keep hearing that the military uses the
UFO case to drum up more and more wars which to me is very very sinister and dark bad energy. IF the military industrial complex REALLY took Billy very seriously,then why do these stupid warmongers use the UFO idea to drum up this childish warmongering machine? George M is right if we REALLY want to take up and investigate the Billy Meier SERIOUSLY we NOT have all these stupid wars,ISIS< ISIL etc,etc,etc? I think Billy is right by warning us to be very careful about how you live your life by meditiating and studying the spiritual teachings and to be mindful about what we are thinking lest al these little niglingnegative thoughts will get you off track that could lead to more and bigger wars etc. After all isn`t that what the people from Erra had to do to AVOID wars 509,000 years ago? Anybody who thinks negative thoughts gets throne off of Planet Erra because negative thoughts hurt and could easly though you back into the dark negative nefarious warmongering crime sickining achine again etc! "We NEED to become a more spiritual society by way of Billy and the Ps or else we will not wurvive and become a Type 1 Society!"
Terry I think it was 50,000 years and not 509,000 years if I am correct
jim marrs is holding some sort of night in the desert in california which hosts a bunch of conspiracy writers and alternate history investigators like david hatcher childress and graham hancock. Maybe Mr. Horn could try and get into the line up and bring some attention to Billys prophecies to these people and in turn they could get the word out even quicker. Just throwing it out there. I dont think any of the lecturers or writers there would be disrespectful or rude to Mr Horn. It might be worth a go. Just a suggestion. The event is coming up some time in june or july this year, 2016. And jim marrs is the host i guess. His website probably has all the info needed.
Hi Todd,
Thanks for that update. Of course I’m glad to contribute to any credible investigation, etc. I think that suggestions for such things that come from people other than me are more effective than my offering/asking to participate. Part of the reason I suggest that is that there probably aren’t any credible researchers who don’t know about the Meier case and my role in representing it.
If you and/or anyone else want to bring that idea forward I’d be glad to discuss it and/or present it at the event.
Also, please feel free to contribute here and use your last name too.
Thanks.
Hi Michael,
I have just got into this for about a year now. I have looked at the pro’s and con’s, for and against as suggested. I have a couple of observations 1) It wouldn’t matter how the ‘UFO’s’ look, a model can be made to replicate them. I was impressed with Phil Langdon’s models and movements but Taro’s (super smart guy btw) excellent debunk of the debunker on how the movements haven’t in fact been replicated exactly, was brilliant. 2) The time and effort put into making and filming these shots; why wouldn’t any debunker ask one’s self after all this effort how can Billy end up with so many shots when it has taken me so much time to do these few etc. Thats my 10 cents worth.
I give Joe Palermo credit for at least posting here, unlike most others. Hope to see him post again to answer some of those questions asked to him.
I note with interest (not…) That YOU Mr palermo have not responded to any of the comments since your posting…WHY ? Well actually that is a rhetoric question, as most of us already know the answer… So I’ll take this opportunity to point something out to you :
Not only are you wasting the best opportunity of your life to advance and help, by burying you head in the sand; but also I’d remind you that it is not per SE our job to convince you of the plain TRUTH, which either you are not ready for…or too money / Prentice orientated to want to know (unfortunately, for us, and perhaps yourself, there is though, now a pressing need to nudge people in the right direction…) though even were that successful in your case, dont flatter yourself that you could make much of a difference immediately, as your still at least 30 years behind on your reading/studying/ understanding and implementation to even catch up here, maybe then you might earn a little respect, but do bear in mind that when and if you do achieve that… You will still be 30 years behind some of the people on this site. So start now Joe, and dont waste this exciting opportunity.
everybody and their grandmother is an “alien abductee”
Yes, and don’t forget the dog, like in this 2013 Wales Online (website of the year) article:
“Alien spaceships abducted our pet dog and stole our car in Cardiff”
I would imagine that very important information like this, might be the kind thatl is keeping Robert Powell up at night, when he talks about being “swamped” by UFO related tasks.
Lol no doubt. It also appears that the most annoying Nick Pope seemed to also have been abducted in 1991. Could they have confused the stories? Could Nick have been surgically altered to look like the missing dog? That would be a question only Mufon could answer (insert sarcasm here).
This was pulled from one of the MUFON Websites : “Mutual UFO Network, Inc. :: The scientific study of UFO’s for the benefit of humanity”
With this being said, here is short “Bio” from one of the “speakers” (via Skype) a few months ago (Nov 2015) at one of the local MUFON Meetings:
“Tolec is a human representative of the Andromeda Council, an intergalactic, interstellar and interdimensional governance and development body of aligned benevolent star systems and planets of sentient, intelligent life for worlds in both the Milky Way and Andromeda galaxies.
He has been given the name “Tolec” as an Earth based, public persona ‘work’ name by the five (5) people with whom he regularly communicates who are stationed on the primary Andromeda Council biosphere where many of its meetings are held.”
Now if this is the direction MUFON is heading, you need your own Sci Fi Channel !!! This is complete nonsense which caters to the intelligence of a 5 year old child….MUFON should be ashamed of themselves for endorsing this complete unsubstantiated story telling which has been going on for years.
Scott Right and agreed.
Billy’s descrption ‘Phantasmagoria’ comes to mind here but should we have expected any different from such an organisation when Asket had already point blank described this org as the enemy of truth such a long time ago.
What we should focus more from now on isn’t to pay undue emphasis on the activities of these organisation but on how FIGU is going to go for the next coming decades especially when Billy passes to the beyond.
Since FIGU supporters from all shades and colours isn’t bound by distance we could use the Plejaren inspired internet technology to create some type of FIGU creational talk show for the ignorant masses in the form of interviews focusing on every aspect of the case from all different angles and the topics most relevent to our time.
Basically transfering written words to sound via interviewees.
The interviewer could be Michael interviewing us the regular folks who make up the supporters here and FIGU forum discussing it from our own layman’s terms which would be much easier to swallow than having to trudge through volumns of written posts.
What do you think?
MUFON should stand for the Moronic UFO Network in my opinion. The uscientific study of UFO’s for the hindrance of humanity. They are just a bunch of pseudo scientific clowns that jump around whenever their puppet masters tell them to do so.
What is rather disturbing Scott, is that educated people will fall for this nonsense.
Dear Joe,
In all sincerity, do you not recognize that you’ve found what you/MUFON are looking for? Is there something else, something…more you want?
Is there some reason that you’re NOT shouting it from the rooftops? Will you continue to “investigate” UFO reports, chase-lights-in-the-sky, etc.?
Will you still pretend that the MUFON “emperor” actually does have clothes, does have a reason for being, that it is something more than a cynical fraud?
I think the Meier material is absolutely true. As to MUFON being negligent… yes I agree. As to SETI and NASA and USA being negligent yes… I agree. As to them being representatives for our well being… well… not so much. But I think it is their intention one day… when they stop tripping over twenty dollar bills to save dimes… yes… It is not a material thing… it is a spiritual thing and a consciousness thing… there is a difference. I think finding out as much as you can about our past and future… (because the present is a pseudo representation of time) is all the better for our well being. Those that rely on so called scientific alphabet organizations are often fault finding know-it-alls too materialistically concerned to understand they are borderline and often full fledged psychopathic charlatans when it comes to knowledge… and even further mentally impeded as far as wisdom goes… if you don’t have the knowledge you can’t get the wisdom… and cognition falls in there somewhere as well… You get these pseudo intellectuals who say things like it is a distorted permenudic of the relativist epistemology (actual quote) when it is designed to confuse and put in awe folks who barely get away from their cell phone or computer porn site… long enough to go to the bathroom and eat… and this other “stuff” is just “entertainment” which is actually very advanced sophisticated hypnosis derived from the WW1 terror and mind control experiments… which has killed many of our leaders already… like the Manchurian candidate via remote hypnosis… that we have lost sight of reality… When we hear it: we want to say it is false and we do not like to hear that we are possibly psychopathic as well due to years of programming via media…Have you ever spoken to someone concerned about their iPhone? MUFON CIA, NSA, FBI, NASA, SETI they are like that… The lights are on (we get the bill) the there is nobody home… I hope that MUFON reads the Meier Material… and all the other letter agencies as well that are supposed to “protect” this organization we call the United States… when indeed we are the United Multinational businesses protected by the US Military… Folks… we spend 500 Billion dollars a YEAR on Military funding… Sheesh the Atom Bomb only costed 4.5 billion… but that was before the government printed all that money to make it so worthless… The military needs to get money vie all these weapons it has developed in their “star wars” type “protection” they are providing for us… NOT>.. Let me tell you… it is SO IMPORTANT to view and understand this information if we want to remain a super power of the world… that is the United… I mean UNITED… states… we don’t need a political rumble… we just need thought… conscientious, sincere, respectful and harmonious thought… not pseudo scientific rhetoric about who is smarter than whom… just commen sense… If we elect power hungry individuals into this country we will lose this country. A multinational combat peace force will do the same protection that we enjoy right now… for less than one tenth what the US Military spends right now… keeping us in the dark and feeding us shit… like mushrooms… Adopt a new policy… let professionals do the body guarding… let the government hold a bake sale… for taxes… and let someone else protect us… because if not… we will destruct from within via civil war… this is what the Meier Material tells us… never mind the StarWArz Bullshit… this is REAL… and we will not be accepted into the stars till we understand harmony with the folks we live with… think about it.